The Day After Disclosure 2: Grusch Bombshells, UFO Demons, King Charles & Are They Our Own Craft?

Name: The Day After Disclosure 2: Grusch Bombshells, UFO Demons, King Charles & Are They Our Own Craft?
Uploaded: 2026-08-18T17:36:11+00:00
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00:05I don't think they're aliens. I think they're demons anyway.

00:08Interdimensional beings is what our witnesses will call these things.

00:12I have seen evidence in a skiff that leads me to believe there are things we cannot explain,

00:17and I have observed things that are of non-human origin and creation.

00:22We're up against corruption. We're up against a cover-up.

00:25This thing's been covered up at least since 1947.

00:27What's about to happen, what's going to be coming out,

00:34I am excited to be existing at this moment in history

00:39because we are on the precipice of beginning to be able to ask the right questions about UFOs.

00:47Well, look, I think that celestial beings who fly around to do weird things to people,

00:56I think that the desire to describe everything celestial, everything is otherworldly, to describe it as aliens,

01:05I mean, every great world religion, including Christianity, the one that I believe in,

01:09has understood that there are weird things out there, and there are things that are very difficult to explain.

01:15And I naturally go, when I hear about sort of extra natural phenomenon,

01:21that's where I go to is the Christian understanding that, you know, there's a lot of good out there,

01:25but there's also some evil out there.

01:27And I think that one of the devil's great tricks is to convince people we never existed.

01:31How many species are you aware of?

01:33I certainly don't have the compendium.

01:35It's a continuum from corporeal, bipedal-type life to, you know,

01:40what I would consider is, like, sentient plasmo life, but there are several that the U.S. government is aware

01:45of.

01:45We know that there are other advanced civilizations out there,

01:49just by probability and statistics alone doesn't mean they're coming here.

01:52But, like, what is their music like?

01:55What is their food like?

01:58What psychedelics do they have?

02:00I mean, I have a lot of questions.

02:01And the Bible, of course, is full of this kind of stuff.

02:04It's a part of our human history, whenever we think of it.

02:07But it's always been there.

02:09You know, it's always something that people have done

02:12in terms of engaging with non-human entities, whatever we might call them.

02:18I guess in biblical terms, we might call them demons or angels or somewhere in between,

02:22and they're not always bad, and they're not always good.

02:24Quite a lot of them are ambivalent.

02:25There's an awful lot in the Bible of that kind of thing.

02:28So it's always been a part of things, and I think all religious traditions have a similar concept.

02:34So what I thought was quite a new, radical, kind of modern UFO kind of thing,

02:38actually, I think, probably has a lineage that goes right back.

02:41I've had to put up with this for all my life.

02:44The American government, as in the Defense Intelligence Agency in the 1950s,

02:49actually sussed out the dynamics of all this,

02:52and actually believed that there was a demonic component to the UFO phenomenon,

02:56which there is, and it's complex.

02:59So they're not invading us.

03:01It's more biblical, and it's more biblical, but yet it's also alien.

03:07And the outlook, and what actually came out of the Collins Elite's investigation,

03:12the ETs were not mechanical.

03:14They were not devices.

03:15They were not flying machines from other realities or other dimensions.

03:18They came from hell.

03:20And all ETs, extraterrestrials, are in fact demons or associated with hell.

03:25Dadgummit, the public deserves the right to know.

03:28It's your dadgum tax dollars.

03:30It's not about little green men or flying saucers.

03:33It's about what are we spending all these millions and possibly billions of dollars on

03:36that these idiots tell us don't exist.

03:39And then yet we turn right around in the skip, and then they tell us they do exist.

03:43This is a cover-up.

03:45You all know it.

03:45We know it.

03:46We demand the answers.

03:48And dadgummit, we're going to get them.

03:49For decades, unknown objects have freely operated and restricted airspace in large metropolitan

03:54areas and critical infrastructure, and the agencies responsible for securing the homeland

03:59cannot adequately defend against it.

04:02This is a serious national security issue.

04:05In my official duties, I was exposed to human and signals intelligence information concerning

04:10foreign adversary UAP crash retrieval, exploitation and study efforts, adversary views on U.S.

04:18legacy program reverse engineering efforts, and U.S.-held audiovisual information related

04:25to crash retrieval matters, such as the recovered vehicles and the associated biological material.

04:30A very high-ranking naval official described, you know, I've talked about this before, underwater

04:36craft, something big as a football field, moving at over 200 miles an hour, and there's

04:41no fish in the ocean that would do that.

04:43We don't even have a sub that'll probably do 40 miles an hour.

04:46And the last thing he said before he left my office was, it was kind of weird because

04:51he didn't go out the, he went out the side doors, nobody ever uses, and he looked at me,

04:55he pulled me up close, he said, Tim, they're real.

05:01Contact with an extraterrestrial civilization has been made, and after that, there is no

05:08turning back.

05:09How will the world's leaders react, and what will our own king do to ease his people's

05:16worries and fears?

05:17How will it impact the world's religions, and what can the king do as head of the Anglican

05:23Church to reassure its followers?

05:26Now is the time for him to be the king of UFOs.

05:29We've made first contact with extraterrestrials.

05:32What will King Charles' role be to ease the fears of the population and going forward on

05:40a world basis?

05:41What can and what will he do?

05:44That's a very interesting and an important question, and I think you've touched on something

05:50really fascinating here because one of the things that's emerged in the United States

05:55in the current discussions that are being had is how apolitical this is, which is as it

06:06should be.

06:06This is not a partisan issue.

06:08We actually have in the U.S. Republicans and Democrats alike, and in these divided days,

06:15it's quite refreshing to see this, this being handled on a non-partisan basis.

06:22This question is very interesting because this is exactly where the monarch might serve a very

06:29important function in, for example, an address to the nation from the king would, I think,

06:39be something that everyone would want to see.

06:46We don't know whether we are alone or whether there are other technological civilizations,

06:51but one thing is clear that most stars formed billions of years before the sun.

06:56So if another civilization like ours existed billions of years ago, they had much more time

07:03to develop their science and technology.

07:06And it is possible that they would be able to figure out if there are extra spatial dimensions

07:12and take advantage of them using quantum gravity engineers.

07:17And what that means is that, you know, if their technology is able to reach our doorstep,

07:26we would be at all because it would represent something we don't possess, we don't understand.

07:32Just like a cave dweller coming to a city like London or New York and seeing all the technological

07:40gadgets there, there would be a sense of religious awe and we won't fully understand what we are

07:48looking at, especially if one is dealing with the effects of quantum gravity that we have

07:55no clue about.

07:56So definitely, yes, one way for us to realize that we are not the smartest kid in the class

08:04is by encountering those technological gadgets that were produced by more advanced civilizations.

08:13And they may very well represent effects of quantum gravity, extra dimensions, things that

08:20we currently do not fully understand.

08:22Yeah, I do believe that the search for alien civilizations should be in the mainstream of science.

08:29First, because it resonates with the public and the public fund science.

08:33And we have the scientific tools to address this question.

08:37We can use our cameras, our telescopes, our microscopes, based on my latest expedition to the Pacific

08:45Ocean to learn what's outside the solar system and to figure out whether we have a neighbor.

08:51The reason it's transformative for humanity is for the same reason that finding a partner changes

08:58your life, suddenly you're not alone.

09:02Stephen Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in physics, wrote towards the end of his book, The First

09:10Three Minutes, the more we analyze the universe, the more pointless it looks.

09:18And to me, that's a sign of studying lifeless objects.

09:24Objects like elementary particles, radiation, stars, black holes, and so forth.

09:33However, the minute we find a partner that is just like us, conscious and intelligent, it

09:41will change our perspective.

09:43Suddenly, the universe will not appear lonely anymore.

09:46And moreover, we can learn from our partner.

09:49We can grow in our perspective.

09:52As of now, we are investing $2 trillion a year on military budgets.

09:57If we were to realize that there is a third dimension out there, that there is much more

10:03real estate in space than there is on Earth, we might decide to explore space.

10:10And if we were to invest $2 trillion a year in space exploration, after listening to the

10:17words of John Lennon, imagine all the people living in peace, then I calculated we could

10:24reach all stars in the Milky Way galaxy by sending probes to them, billions of them, within a century.

10:33The probes will get there within a billion years.

10:39And if there is a more intelligent civilization out there, my hope is that they did it already.

10:48And we can just look at our backyard to check if any of their probes reached us and learn

10:55from those.

10:59There is one thing that I thought was quite interesting that I came across.

11:03Have you ever heard of something called the Collins Elite?

11:06No, I haven't.

11:07Right, OK.

11:08I found out about this, and it was Nick Redfern that came up with it with the idea.

11:12Yeah.

11:12And I spoke to Nick about this, and he assures me, this Collins Elite does exist.

11:18And the Collins Elite, if you like, it was inspired or engendered by UFOs and researching

11:25the UFOs that they set up this group called the Collins Elite to look into.

11:31But the problem with the Collins Elite was it had its own agenda, OK?

11:36Now, this agenda seems to have developed from right-wing American religious outlooks, OK?

11:44And the outlook, and what actually came out of the Collins Elite's investigation, that

11:49the ETs were not mechanical, they were not devices, they were not flying machines from other

11:53realities or other dimensions.

11:55They came from hell.

11:56OK.

11:57And all ETs, extraterrestrials, are in fact demons or associated with hell in some history.

12:04But that, I think, was very much to do with the agenda with which this thing was set up.

12:08And the name of the Collins Elite, it's not, it was, this is when you start getting into

12:13the CIA and the FBI and all the rest and all these obscure fundings, because you've got

12:19to remember that this comes back from the late 50s, early 60s.

12:23And the CIA was just realising how much muscle it had, because not only was it beyond control,

12:31out of control, it was beyond control, because it answered to no one but the head of the

12:35CIA, even the president of the USA, you know, he, they were not answered with him either.

12:40They were created to save America, if you like, from the Red Menace, and I think they're

12:46going to have to be doing it pretty soon again, by the way, but that's what they were created

12:51to do.

12:52But the Collins Elite got its name from some member of the group who actually, who were

12:59actually part of this thing.

13:00But as I say, all their prognostications came down to the fact that ETs were from hell and

13:05the occupants of the ETs were demons or whatever.

13:12But it exists, yes it did.

13:14And that was one of their findings.

13:16But they also found out that, yes, these things do fly about in the sky, but they're not

13:20extraterrestrial.

13:20Okay. So they're Satan's minions, is that what they're saying?

13:26That's a pretty fair...

13:27Okay, that does tie in with the American evangelical rapture kind of movement, doesn't it, I guess?

13:33Yeah, the rapture.

13:34I mean, what's your personal opinion on ETs and have we had contacts and...

13:40Yeah, yeah.

13:41And do you think they're extraterrestrial?

13:43Yeah, I absolutely do.

13:45Well, the last book I co-wrote with Barry Fitzgerald, we looked at what we considered was that

13:53there was a race of, or there were entities that have been here since the beginning of

13:57time, and this is where it all starts to sort of flip together.

14:00Sure.

14:00And these things have been here, they're shape-changers, absolute perfect shape-changers.

14:04We don't even know what they look like.

14:07That is how long they've been here and how often, because they will take on the appearance

14:11of anything or anyone that you're interacting with, especially in relation to the culture

14:16that encounters them and the era that encounters them.

14:19They will remain, in effect, invisible.

14:21But I think that that is a link.

14:23These things, you could call them E.T. if you like, but I think, but we reckon they

14:28came from a void, you know, literally they came from, they came from nothing.

14:33There is absolutely nothing there except information that they glean on this side of reality and

14:38they take back with them, because they do die.

14:40They do die if they haven't latched onto somebody.

14:42And the outcome we came to in this particular book is that they're directing us to develop

14:53a means by which they can exist here in our reality permanently without the need for meat

14:58machines like us, because we rot and die and all the rest of it can go away.

15:02And we think that their ultimate aim is to create a form of artificial intelligence that

15:09they can latch into and stay here permanently, because they need, they need us.

15:13We don't need them, but they, by God, they need us.

15:16Consciousness is where it's at.

15:18And yes, they will communicate and they speak English fluently.

15:22And if you think that's, if you think that's a load of baloney, well, you've missed it by a thousand

15:27miles.

15:28The fact is, is that I've had to put up with this for all my life.

15:32The American government, as in the Defense Intelligence Agency in the 1950s,

15:37actually sussed out the dynamics of all this and actually believed that there was a demonic

15:42component to the UFO phenomenon, which there is, and it's complex.

15:46So they're not invading us.

15:48It's more biblical and it's, it's more, it's more biblical, but yet it's also alien.

15:55But there is this fundamental driving engine of chaos upon humanity, which is intentional.

16:03Nothing is as it appears.

16:04Well, it seems pretty chaotic in the world at the moment.

16:07And that's intentional.

16:09It's not, it's not by coincidence that that is happening.

16:12And I think when humanity is aligning itself to the higher spiritual forces, this chaos is

16:18somehow amplified more.

16:20You know what I'm saying?

16:22So it's kind of like, it's a difficult one.

16:24It really is.

16:26The Americans, for example, they established an agency.

16:29Everybody thinks of Majestic 12, but your viewers may not be familiar with an agency called

16:33the Collins Elite.

16:36I've spoken to one of the guys who was approached by them, a guy called Pastor Ray Bowesh, very

16:41well known.

16:42The DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, were looking at this demonic element and they

16:48labelled them, these types of aliens, as NHE or non-human entity.

16:54And they used David Bohm, physicist, the work of David Bohm, the physicist, to actually understand

17:01the dynamics of that.

17:02And his physics hold up to the fact of other realities around us, including ones that the

17:09Bible speak of, which must be treated with respect, really.

17:18Ever since the Manhattan Project, where a blackboard equation was turned into a weapon, and the

17:26military went, ooh, that's a good idea.

17:29Ever since Trinity, the military have wanted advanced physics weapons that the other side

17:35wouldn't know what hit them.

17:37And so the amount of money, research, into specifically physics, I mean, but also psychology and chemical

17:45warfare and things.

17:46But if you talk about physics, you know, the amazing development in stealth.

17:52Britain had stealth in the 1950s.

17:55We think that stealth fighters were 1980s and 90s.

17:59No, they weren't.

18:03Britain was the leading place for stealth materials.

18:07Marconi built the first kind of radar.

18:10They understood how to refract, and I'm not saying reflect, I'm not saying absorb, I'm saying

18:17very specifically refract microwave energy on the surface skin of an airframe.

18:23And then it turned into metamaterials, which was even more sophisticated skins, and as it

18:32developed, it became more robust, because originally it was very fragile.

18:37And, you know, that kind of thing means that this secret physics, really good engineering, really

18:45good physics has gone on.

18:47And, you know, in the UFO community, we continually say the five observables, well, the five observables

18:54come from a military contractor.

18:57You know, they are the things that they can observe.

19:00They don't have one, maybe, but they can observe how they operate.

19:04So, you know, could we build one that does that?

19:07Well, that's why they're correlating that, because there's a great interest in building

19:14stuff which is unconventional, because it's good military policy.

19:21Have they made them?

19:22I think so.

19:24Yeah, I think so, too.

19:25So, where in the UK?

19:26Do you think the UK has a kind of Area 51 type of place?

19:31I think it has a number of Area 51s.

19:33I mean, I think while you went camping in Suffolk, you were near certainly what was Area 50 and

19:41a half, now closed down, and now a national trust called Orford Ness.

19:47I mean, Orford Ness, from the birth of Robert Watson Watt testing Tesla's death ray in 1938,

19:55stolen from Tesla, right up until it closed, you know, right up to the most brilliant story

20:05about Cobra Mist and its connection to Bawdsey and Sizewell Nuclear Post Station,

20:12Bentwaters and Martlesham Heath and Adastral Park are, I mean, it was Britain's secret military

20:21test zone for physics specifically, unlike, you know, Portland, Dan, with chemicals and

20:27biological warfare, Orford Ness.

20:29But there's other places.

20:31I mean, part of the wonderful, the UFO that keeps giving, called Calvin, the Calvin story,

20:41there is a Marconi, which are now part of BAE Systems in Wharton and other laboratories in

20:49Britain, other sites, have a Area 51 military closed test area in the North Sea.

21:00So, um, they can test airframes and radar stuff and stealth and things, um, just off the coast

21:08of Aberdeen, I believe, I don't know how I know that, but somebody at Wharton might have told me.

21:13End of 2024, announcing that we're not alone in the universe, you know, I'm the, I'm the person

21:19who's saying that ET exists, you know, I know they exist. People have told me, we've got proof

21:26that we're not alone in the universe, but we're not being told that. So, uh, don't, people don't

21:33say that I don't believe in UFOs. Well, I don't believe in them. I want evidence. I want proof.

21:38Um, ET exists and ET are highly strange and they're nothing like we think. Um, they, they might not even

21:46be, um, in this physical or time realm that we, that we exist in. So, um, I, anything that flies

21:54at

21:54flight levels, anything that is obviously made of normal-ish material. And in the Jacques Vallée,

22:00um, saying, if it's not highly strange, it's probably not. I don't think the Calvin craft

22:06was built on the planet Zog. I think it was probably built in, um, in, um, in the United States.

22:14It's probably a reconnaissance drone for the invasion of, um, Kuwait.

22:21That's the timing of it, isn't it? As well. Um, yeah. You know, speaking to Harvey Loeb,

22:28uh, he, he, you know, he's convinced his life out there and it's going to be far more intelligent

22:33and it's, it's understanding physics is going to be way beyond ours. It'll be very different. Yeah.

22:43Unfortunately, anybody who talks about UFOs is rubbish at once. And I don't doubt that when this

22:49interview appears on television screens, uh, in many people's homes, they'll think,

22:54poor old chap, he's really lost his marbles at last. But it's a shame because there is something

23:00going on. There have been tens, if not hundreds of thousands of sightings in countries all over the

23:05world in the last few years. And everybody admits that between five and 10% of them have never been

23:12explained. And if I may add, many of these sightings are by experienced police officers,

23:18airline pilots, and sensible people who don't hallucinate and don't make up silly stories to

23:24get themselves on the box. I can't remember who it was who said that when you've eliminated all

23:29the possibilities, you've got to start looking at the impossibilities. I don't believe it's a secret

23:33weapon because I think if it were, I would know about it. And if I did know about it,

23:38I wouldn't be allowed to tell you. So I'm bound to feel that there may be a possibility of an

23:43extraterrestrial. Well, I've taken a good deal of interest in the Bentwaters incident because it was

23:49so widely publicized. Books have been written about it. I've listened to tapes made by cable news and people

23:53like that. And I've had a certain amount of dealings with ministers over this particular incident,

23:58the only one I have. And I think in a nutshell, one of two things happened. Either something

24:07entered our airspace, landed at Bentwaters, or United States Air Force officers and senior

24:15non-commissioned officers were hallucinating. And in either explanation, there must be a defense

24:21interest in it, contrary to what the government has repeatedly said. Which of those two alternatives

24:26do you prefer? I myself think it's very difficult indeed to discount the almost certainty that

24:33something landed there. Something from where? I've no idea. I wish I had. I don't doubt at all

24:39that governments all over the world, of the possible exception of the French, have kept information

24:43available to them about these matters secret, because much of it is now flowing out in the United States

24:49under their Freedom of Information Act, which wouldn't have been released otherwise.

24:54So, Rendlesham, yeah, it's always interested me. But I mean, I guess the things you have to take

24:59into account with Rendlesham, it was 1980, it was high at the Cold War, it was a NATO base that

25:05most likely had nuclear warheads.

25:09Yeah, yeah, probably in both bases.

25:12Yeah, so that's the key thing here, really.

25:19It's not the key thing. The key thing is where, answer the question, where is it? And it's not a

25:24forest

25:25of scrubby woodland, although that's interesting in itself. The actual forest is a key. But the real

25:33question where is what's around it?

25:36Okay, you tell me what's around it. Suffolk.

25:38Yes, Suffolk, yeah. So give us your take on what you think the Rendlesham...

25:45Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, okay. In a nutshell, when was it? Oh, it was in December 1980. All right,

25:52so December 1980, what was going on? Well, we're in the middle of the Cold War,

25:56but we're also in a secret war that most people don't realize. Later on in the mid-80s,

26:03Reagan came to power and announced that they were thinking of doing Star Wars, SDI. But in fact,

26:11if you think about it, Reagan was a hawk. Reagan was the man calling the Soviets the evil empire.

26:20Why would he want a defense shield? Because it wasn't Ronald Reagan's. He inherited Jimmy Carter's

26:28dovish defense shield. Jimmy Carter is a physicist. Jimmy Carter knows all about nuclear. He's a friend of

26:37Edward Teller and people like that. And Teller and people went to Carter and said, I think we have the

26:44technology in the United States, initially, very much his technology, to make a defense shield.

26:52Rather than fighting a war, why don't we secretly defend ourselves against it? So by 1980,

26:59in the United Kingdom, Thatcher was in power and Thatcher was looking for any deal. She's also a

27:07scientist. And she was looking for any deal for money for Britain. And Britain, since the 1930s,

27:15has worked on directed energy weapons and physics, very much plasma and radar. I mean,

27:22those are the two things Britain excels in, DEW weapons. And, oh, it was all going on at Suffolk.

27:30And as a main headquarters, I mean, some of the big places in Suffolk were Bordsey with their

27:40directed energy weapon that they kind of pretended was also useful as a radar, but it was also

27:47their Scorpion CW radar was a directed energy weapon. Cobra Mist was a non-nuclear EMP pulse weapon.

27:56I've spoken to people who worked there. Nobody in a million years calls it an over-the-horizon radar.

28:03That was just made up bollocks. They might have experimented with it, but it wasn't.

28:09The antenna was pointing in the right direction. It was pointing towards Finland. The map of its

28:15coverage was Belgium, Western Germany, Denmark, Finland. Hang on a minute. Those people have radar.

28:24Why do you need to have an over-the-horizon radar in Suffolk to look at Germany? You don't. It

28:29wasn't.

28:30And of course, we have filing tails, which is genuinely can be used for ionospheric bouncing

28:36just up the road. A few hundred miles up in East Yorkshire. But I mean, it's looking in the same

28:44direction. And that's genuinely a space radar. Cobra Mist was not. So all this stuff was going on. And

28:51Thatcher and Heseltine said, oh, we could sell it to you guys. There's a few things you should come

28:59over and look at. The liaison between the MOD and the DOD and SDI was immense. So Britain tried to

29:08sell,

29:09probably did, sell non-nuclear EMP and directed energy weapons to the SDI program. And the

29:15headquarters of that was in Martlesham Heath at Astral Park, which was pretending to be partially

29:22a British telecom lab. Amongst other things, defense contractors were there. It's a big park.

29:29There is a BT lab there, but there's lots of other things. And the headquarters for the US was

29:35Bent Waters. The test station was Orford Ness. The operational directed energy weapons were already

29:46installed at Bawdsey and being tested out into the North Sea. If you were an inshore fisherman based

29:51at Great Yarmouth, you were told. You could read the NOTAM that says, don't look towards Orford

29:56Ness, some bright lights might be seen. I mean, they definitely were testing a DEW. And

30:03Cobra Mist is a great story. Cobra Mist was closed down because they knew how it worked. They'd

30:10finished their mission. It closed down because they knew how it worked. And they did a deal with

30:16the Soviets. I mean, you didn't hear me say that. But the whole thing of what happened at Randlesham

30:24Forrest was they needed to test it. And what John Burroughs and others saw, initially at least,

30:34was lasers and directed energy radar plasma effects. Then, was what eventually injured certain service

30:49personnel? Actually emblematic of those technologies? Yes, Gary Nolan and the CIA chief medical officer

31:00know about John Burroughs' injuries. And he was injured by non-ionizing frequencies based on high

31:06frequency electromagnetic spectrum output and plasma, which are both the things that they were testing at

31:13the time. But there is a continuing mystery of Randlesham Forrest. And I'll just go and say what it is

31:22right

31:22now. And that is Colonel Holt. Because Colonel Holt is a complete mystery to me. Because if they knew

31:32that this project, these tests were going on, the deputy base commander would have at least known

31:39something about it, even if he didn't know what they were doing. He would have been told at least,

31:45like, just keep everybody on base, would you? Yeah. And why Burroughs and Penistone and Cabanza went off

31:52base looking for a downed aircraft, and then why Holt went out on night three with his micro-cassette

31:58recorder and is genuinely surprised by what he's seeing, I find very perplexing. Because it means that what they

32:06are seeing isn't known to the deputy base commander. So there is possible, and John Burroughs certainly

32:15thinks this, that there was a test. It had been going on for a week, supposedly. The three nights were

32:21just

32:22a culmination of it. And on those three fateful nights, something else happened. Something happened

32:28that was on that was more than just the lasers being fired from Orford. So could

32:37yeah, these tests attracted something or somebody? Yeah, it's difficult to know. I'm trying in my

32:45filmmaking, Mark, and you know what this is like, I'm trying I'm trying to think the best word I've come

32:50up with is the word evoke. Because did it attract? Did it produce? Did it manifest? You know, did it

33:01make something time jump or appear? I don't know. It did something. I think the effects that they saw

33:09were more than man-made. I think there's more to it than just attack. I do think they were up

33:16to

33:16something. I mean, I've seen the data. Forget the conclusions. Forget the ideas. I've seen the data,

33:27the evidence of what they were doing. I mean, people have shared it with me. I'm actually quite

33:33worried about it. I just had a long chat with Nick about sharing it. Because it's still, if you even

33:39today type in non-nuclear EMP, it's still like, oh, I don't know if you really should talk about that.

33:43And so there's a lot of stuff. And Martlesham want to be really secret. I've been, I've been

33:51very blacklisted by people, ex-Bordsey Manor people who don't want to talk about what they were really

33:57doing. And the funniest story, and I'm about to do a film in the next week or so, is the

34:03connection

34:03between with something quite innocent, which isn't, which is called Size World A nuclear power station.

34:11Because all these, all this technology needed a power source. And why Britain's largest,

34:17as it was at the time, nuclear power station was built on a shingle wobbly bank, about 138 miles to

34:26the nearest town of size, with an enormously expensive interconnect to the national grid,

34:32with no industry. The only people who could use it, oh, well, um, Orford Ness would like it,

34:40Compromise definitely need it. You know, and I think there's a connection to this. And the,

34:45the press officer at Size World hates me. So that's great.

34:49That is really fascinating.

34:51It's good. It's good. It's, it's one of the best cases ever, because we have witnesses and injuries.

34:58I mean, it's, it's kind of in the English UFO mythology folklore now, isn't it really?

35:04Well, it should be worldwide, because it exposes, it exposes the issue of military weaponization of UAP.

35:14I mean, the effects, the, the things that they were messing with are related to the phenomenon.

35:21You know, they were, they were looking at those kinds of physics. They were looking at advanced physics

35:26that could be weaponized, um, you know, as, as, as John, James Warrow would say, I mean, that's his line,

35:33weaponization of physics of UAP. I mean, that's exactly what they were doing. I mean, but is it related

35:41to genuine UAP? Yeah, maybe, maybe they're, you know, they were looking at the phenomenon,

35:47which definitely exists. Don't think viewers that I don't think it exists. I'm a really big

35:54person that says UAP are real. You know, people see things all over the world, not just in Rendlesham,

36:00not just in Area 51. They see them in every country of the world because they exist and they're real.

36:06Um, what are they? Um, it's really hard because they're really hard to study. Yeah, but UAP exist.

36:20I would imagine there's a security, uh, approach to things, uh, and all this. And so, of course,

36:28the king, um, would never operate independently when we'd like to think that he just sort of

36:33and shook your hands with the aliens or whatever. Um, but, but there would obviously be massive

36:38amounts of, of kind of protocol, uh, and it, in information and advisors and all the rest of it,

36:46uh, leading to what I would imagine would be some kind of public expression of something. Um,

36:53but there, there's no way on earth that the king would just stand up and make a speech

36:57at that point. You'd imagine that actually the whole thing would be couched in, in, in, in quite

37:03serious, um, discussions and with various, um, political bodies. So, so if, if what you're exploring

37:11is ultimately ending up with some kind of public expression of what, what's happened, I guess that's

37:17what you're asking rather than the, you know, the intricacies of what, what might have taken place

37:23in Buckingham Palace gardens on that date, but that's, that's another question. Air Commodore

37:28Michael Swinney, I think about 52, uh, he was flying an RAF, uh, uh, um, plane and he, he saw

37:37this

37:37thing and reported on it and, uh, uh, uh, report went to the MOD and when, uh, Michael tried to

37:45get his,

37:45um, report back some years later, it was told that he'd been destroyed. It was not available.

37:51So what, what, what is going on there? What are these agencies that lie behind this? Why do they

37:57dictate what we're going to see and what we're not going to see? But nobody even mentioned

38:02disclosure then. So, um, don't know what it means. Don't think it's going to do anything.

38:08Um, because I think the subject is, is, is too big. Whether you are a skeptic or not, it is

38:15still

38:16the greatest phenomena of modern day times. And it is, isn't it? It is. Because the bloody things

38:21keep coming through. They do, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. And that's it. So in your opinion,

38:27who, who knows the truth about what these things are? Does anyone?

38:32Well, I, I, I, it's, it's a difficult question. Uh, it's difficult to answer rather,

38:39but one would presume that given the amount of finances available to governments and the intelligence,

38:49super intelligence of scientists, one would have thought they'd have come up with some ideas on

38:56this. And if they have come up with the ideas of what it is and where it comes from, well,

39:02I can tell you one thing that you and I aren't going to know because it would cause too much

39:07disruption.

39:07It would, it would actually, so on the one hand, yes, I want to get the messages across.

39:12Yes. I like you. I liked, um, discovery. I'd like, like us to be all lay our cards on the

39:18table,

39:19but in, in, in reality, it will not happen because I don't think you can explain it away as, um,

39:29you can't just explain it away just like that because I can't tell you can do that. I mean,

39:35when I first started this, I used to, uh, I, I, I looked at these, the sightings of saucer-shaped

39:42objects and they talk about flying saucers in the forties and fifties. And then, um, I, I, I,

39:48people used to say, well, I saw some figures near these things, which is certainly jumping me back

39:53into the archives and about the copper that I saw in Devon who was on duty. Uh, and they had

40:00a lorry

40:00driver come in to see him and this lorry driver had been on the way home and stopped at LA

40:06by and

40:06he'd seen in a nearby field, uh, a saucer-shaped object with what appears to be Y3 occupants,

40:14small occupants examining the ground. And I, and I thought to myself, well, that's impossible. They

40:19can't have, they can't have people in them like us because of the speed they move. And, but this isn't

40:25about people like us, is it? It's nothing to do with us. It's, it's an energy that is, is probably

40:31able to manipulate itself or make us, or, or make us see what we expect to see or what we

40:39contrive

40:40to see because it's something that's, it's really beyond our understanding. It's certainly beyond mine.

40:46Statements from political leaders, but to stress the nonpartisan nature of this and to bring

40:52people across the divide, whatever their politics together, an address to the nation from the king

41:00is I think essential. And much as we have the Christmas broadcast, um, or, or, or, you know,

41:08the king's speech say to parliament now, we would have, I think we would need an address to the nation

41:15from King Charles and it would be, obviously it's, it's, there are so many variables in the scenario.

41:23It's very difficult to, to say for sure, but, uh, you would hope that this would be the,

41:27the mechanism by which the establishment would, would send out a message of reassurance to people,

41:36a message of hope, um, a message not to panic and any, any instructions and requests that,

41:45that the government feels it would be helpful to do. Now, the government of course would probably

41:51draft this speech, but ultimately I'm sure someone like King Charles would put his own stamp

41:57on, on, on this and, and, uh, it's a very good way to get a non-political input. Sure. I

42:04mean, my own

42:05experience when I was a child, I had this face appear on the wall, a bit like an angel coming

42:12to

42:13warm me, but, but, you know, giving me hope that everything would be all right. It's like this blue

42:18shining light on the wall, kind of opened up like a portal. I, I interpreted it at the time

42:25as a, as an angelic experience. Yeah. But now I look back on it and thinking, yeah, it could be

42:32just how I interpreted it at the time, having a, you know, slightly religious upbringing with a, a

42:38Greek, very religious nanny. So it was very nice and you might, you know, one of my saving graces, but

42:45I interpreted that at the time as an angelic, but it could, could well be a extraterrestrial,

42:50I guess, of the same thing, just unexplained. Yeah, yeah. Something we don't quite understand.

42:57Who knows? But interestingly, you perceived it as a benevolent.

43:02Hmm. I did, yeah. And I think if it wasn't benevolent, I think you

43:09maybe would have experienced it differently.

43:11Yeah. I mean, I hadn't had that non-beleve, non-malicious experience, I should say.

43:19Yeah.

43:19But people do say that if it had alien abductions, it's not pleasant. And then John from the UFO

43:26archive, he, he says that as well. It's like, you know, these aren't pleasant experiences that these

43:32people have, but there's thousands of them documented all around the world.

43:36There's so much evidence out there, isn't there? But there must be, there must be something

43:42that is, that can't just be explained by.

43:46Right. I mean, going to this UFO archive was eye-opening for me, because it comes from,

43:51you know, you see stuff, you read stuff, but when you see the physical

43:56files, thousands of them, you're thinking, okay, this is not just someone making it up.

44:01This is, you know, documented cases all around the UK, but, you know, very credible people have,

44:08including lots of police officers. It's, yeah, it's amazing.

44:14And police officers, for example, they've got everything to lose by, by talking about this

44:20stuff. They've got their credibility, their whole life's, you know, experiences.

44:26Yeah, many of them have. I mean, this famous case of Alan Godfrey in Todmorden in West Yorkshire,

44:33and it was in the eighties as well. And he saw this craft

44:39on the way to work about five or six in the morning, and there was damage to his shoe,

44:46and he was all shaken up, and he had 20-odd minutes of missing time.

44:51But, you know, he reported it, but it kind of ruined his life, his career a little bit.

44:58You know, people weren't taking him seriously, but, you know, corroborating witnesses have come

45:03forward more recently to give validation to his claims. But his encounter was, was otherworldly.

45:11It was weird. And John goes on to tell about a helicopter pilot that saw one in London,

45:18gave chase to a UFO. Yeah, yeah. It was supposed to be getting chased to a robbery that was going

45:25on,

45:25but this craft appeared, so they chased this. And when he got down and reported it, he was told not

45:32to talk about it, and he was warned off by some military people, men in black, whatever you want

45:37to say, that, you know, didn't want him talking about it. So people were maybe were too scared to

45:45come forward and tell the truth. So John's got his archive, thousands of documents. These are people

45:51who've been brave enough to come forward. Imagine all the ones that people have been warned off,

45:57not brave enough for fear or ridicule to come forward and give their testimony. There must be

46:01so much more out there. Yeah, definitely. The king would presumably make some kind of statement.

46:07I mean, it's fascinating to imagine, would there be a live interview with the alien? I guess the

46:13question would be, what are they here for? And what's Charles going to respond to? You know,

46:19would Charles be responding to a national or international crisis of a security nightmare,

46:27you know, as in a war, or something along those lines? Or is he responding to something that's

46:33anomalous and we don't know, and we're hedging our bets? Or is he going to be responding to something

46:39that has a more positive suggestion? I just hope they never land. I really do. But I'm sure if they

46:45did,

46:45I'd be honoured, I'd be pleased that the king would play a part in this, you know, because he should

46:55do.

46:55Clearly, there are religious and theological implications to first contact, however that

47:02unfolds. And absolutely, King Charles's position as head of the Anglican Church would be important,

47:10as would the fact that the king has previously tried to speak out about the importance of a

47:17multi-faith approach in the modern UK. So actually, I think his role would go wider than just the

47:27Anglican Church, and he would be one of a number of leading figures worldwide whose words on the

47:35religious implications would be important and people would listen to, not just Christians,

47:41but right across the range of faiths. And of course, addressing those who don't have any faith,

47:49and they're atheists. It's important that the king speaks for everyone.

48:19My expectation from interstellar travel is that it's best done with electronic gadgets,

48:26devices, rather than with biological creatures, because the journey takes a long time. Even,

48:32you know, to the nearest star, it will take us 50,000 years to get there with the chemical rockets.

48:38And

48:39artificial intelligence systems have that patience, and they can remain dormant for a while,

48:45we can harden them so that they survive the journey. And so, because it's very hazardous,

48:51there are cosmic rays, and there are no nutrients out there in space. And so, I can imagine sending

49:00AI astronauts to those long journeys. And similarly, if there were other technological civilizations

49:07billions of years ago that predated us, they might have sent AI astronauts. Now, our AI astronauts,

49:16maybe less advanced than theirs. And if they visit us, of course, we can use our AI systems to

49:23interpret their AI systems. And then, you know, they might feel kinship to them. And it will give a new

49:30twist on Alan Turing's imitation game, which was intended for AI systems here on Earth to imitate humans.

49:39Yes, because we are trying to make them in our image.

49:44But in the future, our AI systems might try to imitate extraterrestrial AI systems, because they

49:51would be far more advanced. And perhaps once they reach similar levels, you know, that will usher

50:02our way into the class of intelligent civilizations of the Milky Way galaxy. You know, that's one way to get

50:08admitted.

50:12William, I guess, like his mother, possibly has an interest in spirituality,

50:19the paranormal. Will he take that on board as his role as future king? We're not aware of him having

50:29any UFO experiences. But, you know, we talked about him having a ghost and his house in Sandringham. So,

50:38who knows? But whoever is king is going to have, you know, an important role to play

50:45on the world stage, with disclosure being imminent, that we are not alone.

50:50Of course, King Charles, there's no doubt he's into ghosts. I know that for a fact. I know he's seen

50:58the ghost of Queen Elizabeth in the library at Windsor. Dumfries' house, the present queen, refused to go to

51:08that house while it was being renovated, because she said there was definitely a ghost in that building.

51:14And so, as regards the king, I would imagine that if he knows more about aliens and ghosts, then

51:23why he, I think he should disclose to the nation what he knows, because he certainly discloses lots

51:31of other things to the nation. And I think that's wonderful. Yes, I think he should. I hope he will.

51:38Should we have first contacts with extraterrestrials or whatever they may be,

51:43what role do you think King Charles would play?

51:49Well, that's the $24,000 question, isn't it? I think King Charles is a very open-minded man.

51:58I think he's a very compassionate man, and he's a very sensitive man. And I think he'll be very open

52:05to it. Because I believe now he's defender of the faiths, isn't he? Not the faith.

52:11The faiths. I suspect he would know anyway, to some degree, what the true situation is,

52:19as does, you know, the Pope and the people that matter around the world, the leaders. I think it's

52:24just a combination of things. You know, I think from the, I think from the, if you've been sort

52:30of the church point of view, the head of the Church of England, stuff like this. I think,

52:34I think the sort of the Vatican would sort of say, well, we're all God's creatures, regardless.

52:38So whatever they may look like, or appear to us, it doesn't disprove a God. It disproves

52:46just a creative source that has perhaps got many, many different mansions. And we're just one infinite,

52:51minute little bit of it.

53:08For me, UFOs and the paranormal, it's a bit like a Pandora's box. If you and I could just lift

53:17the lid

53:18up slowly and look inside, we'd be shocked. If we took the lid off and looked inside, we'd never be

53:25the same again. And I just think maybe that isn't, that isn't the right way. I'm betwixt and between.

53:34You want to know the answers. I want to know the answers. Would you really regret having to find out

53:41the answer? Because it could change your whole way of life, your whole outlook on life. Maybe we don't

53:47need disclosure. Disclosure so far have told me very little about, as we said, what these things

53:54are, where they come from, what they're doing here. They've certainly been here. We know that,

54:00and I think you agree with me. I mean, we are at an apex of weirdness, really. We've got disclosure

54:08in the US, that's pushing forward. We've got the CERN Hadron Collider about to explore other dimensions of

54:16reality. Our king has an interest in spirituality. He sees himself as king of all faiths, which is,

54:25which is a great thing. So maybe he's got to explore what these, you know, where this may end up

54:34and

54:35help us through some momentous change that may be coming. There's a, you know, a role, a really,

54:42really important role you play as king. So to embrace that kind of, that paranormal identity,

54:51to embrace UFOs, that's kind of bringing it into the public realm. It's bringing a seriousness,

54:57it's bringing a kind of gravitas to it all. If you've got, like, the king who, like, is

55:07standing by it, these people are going to feel validated, potentially, and more likely to share

55:14their stories. The impact that First Contact would have would be massive on society. The fact that this,

55:20this, we are not alone, this, probably a more intelligent race out there, how does that affect

55:28us, our place in the universe, our place, if you believe in God, with God. There's important,

55:35you know, spiritual aspects of First Contact. Will the aliens bring their own gods? Will they bring no

55:41God? And by virtue of being far superior than us, just by the fact that they've had to travel the

55:48vast

55:48distances involved? Will they impose their beliefs on us in a reverse colonialism? Possibly. So these are

56:01massive, profound questions that, you know, we don't know the answers to yet.

56:11?

56:12?

56:14?

56:16?

56:18?

56:20?

56:22?

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