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00:00There is one that wants to sleep. There is one that wants to study. You have an exam tomorrow. Which
00:05one are you talking of? This one or this one?
00:08The nature of body is to die. The nature of this one is to just eat, sleep, reproduce and die.
00:15That's what this body is for.
00:16Have you seen? Does it ask for anything else?
00:19This is classical. This is non-classical. Similarly, in our body too, there is something which is...
00:25Now tell me, are you or are you not?
00:29You can only laugh at that, right?
00:31Yes. We have to find it out, I guess.
00:34The moment you say something is lovable, it's gone. Finished.
00:38I love you is the most violent statement. The moment this says, I love this, this is hack down.
00:45When you talk of science, all that science can deal with is the body and the brain.
00:50It is about the body. Science is wonderful when it comes to...
00:57Nature has made us such that we always make groups and love them. For example, we start from family, then
01:03caste, then religion.
01:04Even the countries, that are also man-made lines. So isn't it the basic nature? Nature has kind of made
01:11all the living beings like that to make a good group.
01:16So what would be the actual difference between the love itself and man-made love?
01:21You have an exam tomorrow. Body feels like sleeping. Right? Body feels like sleeping.
01:29But then you say you have to study. There are two of you. Please understand.
01:37We have talked of it. There is the participant and there is the observer. There are two within.
01:44So when you say nature has made me like this, which me are you talking of? This one or this
01:50one?
01:51There is one that wants to sleep. There is one that wants to study. You have an exam tomorrow. Which
01:56one are you talking of?
02:01Yes. Yes. Yes. And both are happy following their own nature. The nature of body is to die. The nature
02:12of this is to witness the death.
02:15The nature of this is to blindly do what the hormones say. The nature of this is to stay unaffected
02:23from any chemicals, any material.
02:26Therefore, when you say nature has made us like this, you are right. The body has been made like this.
02:34In the journey of evolution, yes. Groupism helped. Faced with a wild animal, it helped if you were in a
02:45group of ten. It helped.
02:47But when it comes to inner illumination, if you are still in a crowd, that's a problem. That won't help.
02:56When it comes to the body, certain things help. Most often, these are the same things that do not help
03:04who you really are.
03:06So that's where you have to have a heart and the courage to drop and willingness to pay the price.
03:20Yes. Yes, there are certain things that the body will dislike. But I'll still opt for them.
03:29Because I am not the body. The body has its own interests. I have my own. The body wants to
03:39sleep. I want to study. There are these two.
03:43Why should I follow the nature of this one? The nature of this one is to just eat, sleep, reproduce
03:51and die.
03:53That's what this body is for. Have you seen? Does it ask for anything else?
03:58In fact, whenever you want to do something important, you find body becomes a hurdle after a point.
04:06It either wants to sleep or something. It gets tired. Something.
04:13Is it so? For example, in physics, we say this is classical, this is non-classical. So similarly, in our
04:20body too, in our self too, there is something which is…
04:25Both classical and non-classical are man-made theories. So they both belong to this. So we are not talking
04:31of the two here. No.
04:33So, but here these two, there are certain levels where we are bifurcating these two. Yes, we are. We are.
04:41We are. But these two are not analogous to classical and non-classical.
04:47This is all that is existential, open to experience. This is nowhere. This we are saying is only in a
04:58matter of language.
04:59Otherwise, this is non-present. Its job is to see all that is present. By itself, it is really not
05:08present. If it were present, then it would be a part of this.
05:14So it is not really present, but it can see all that which is present. And this is who you
05:21are. Now tell me, are you or are you not?
05:30You can only laugh at that, right? Are you or are you not? Yes. Yes. We have to find it
05:39out, I guess.
05:39In Zen, they respond to such questions with Mu. What does Mu mean? The answer. The extent of the answer
05:53is beyond the scope of the question. So can't say yes and also can't say no.
06:01So is the observer effect of that one hampering this one? Beautiful. Very, very well said. Lovely, very well said.
06:10Very, very well said. So, when this no more remains an observer, then this suffers badly or gets distorted.
06:19Gets distorted. Just as you are supposed to, let's say, watch all this, let's say this is a jungle. But
06:28instead of being the observer, you become a consumer. Then what happens to the jungle?
06:33You hack it down. You clear away the jungle. You say, I want timber. I want fruit. I want land.
06:40I want to build a resort. What are you doing now? Instead of observing the flow of the river and
06:47the song of the wind and the flight of the birds, you are saying, I am no more content with
06:53observing.
06:53I want to consume. I want to consume. I want to catch that bird and eat it up. And that
06:59will destroy the jungle. So that will destroy this and that will also destroy this because it has not dropped
07:05its nature. Its nature was to observe.
07:08Observe. Instead of that, it has now become consumer. So this will suffer and this too will suffer. And this
07:15is climate change.
07:21So all the species will get wiped out and man too will get wiped out. You are supposed to just
07:31observe them in love, not interfere so much, not be their consumer, but just the observer of their beauty.
07:41But the thing with us is we have defined beauty in a way that whenever we call something as beautiful,
07:47it is threatened.
07:49The moment you say something is beautiful, now you will leap on, tear it apart and eat it up. The
07:57moment you say something is lovable, it's gone, finished.
08:01Just yesterday I was quoting, I love chicken. What happens to the hen now? Gone. I love you is the
08:08most violent statement.
08:14This is gone. This is gone. The moment this says, I love this. This is hacked down.
08:21So love is also holding it apart.
08:23False love. Man-made love. Just like man-made religion. You see, when you are at a place, you should
08:33not be. Right?
08:35You want to get away from there. And that you can call as attraction towards freedom.
08:44You asked me a question. How would you feel if the question is important to you and yet I don't
08:50answer?
08:52I will feel suffocated. You will feel suffocated. Yes, suffocated.
08:55Yes, this is love for knowledge. Similarly, when let's say you are handcuffed, how do you feel?
09:05Suffocated.
09:06Yeah, that's love for freedom. So that's what love is. Love is meaningful only in the context of an unnatural
09:15state.
09:18When you are at a place you should not be, then you feel attracted to the place you should be
09:25at.
09:25That's love. So your nature, for example, is to, I said, continuously, no. Right? And when you don't know, how
09:34do you feel?
09:35Uneasy. That is love. That is love. Therefore, love is characterized by restlessness. Restlessness.
09:42Even in the ordinary kind of physical love, don't you feel restless? You say, I want that and without that
09:48I'll continue feeling? Restless. Restless. Yeah. True love is, I want freedom and without that freedom I continue feeling? Restless.
09:58Restless. Yeah. That's love. That's love.
10:00Okay. And in physical terms, that translates into being with a person who can rid you of your bondages.
10:10With whom I can experience freedom. Yes. Yes. Being in a classroom, then, can be love. Being in a laboratory,
10:18then, can be love. Reading a book, then, can be love.
10:23So, is it ever a third person thing? For example, with someone, if I feel free? Yes. Obviously, in a
10:30classroom, there is a teacher. And what the teacher is bringing you is freedom from ignorance. So what you see
10:37happening there is love. It's an exercise in love happening there. Though you won't call it as love. For example,
10:43nobody would say this is a love affair. But it really is in existential terms.
10:47What if their sense of freedom is itself flawed and what they seek is completely flawed by their anger? Then
10:55you'll continue to suffer. Yeah. And suffering itself means something has gone wrong already.
11:00Like, initially for that person, he may feel rejuvenated. Temporarily. Yes. Temporarily. But then in the long term, he will
11:07deal with the consequences of life itself. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Therefore, you have to learn from experience.
11:12I thought this would bring me freedom. But did it. And having failed here, now I want to go to
11:20that. I failed with him. Now I want to go to her.
11:24But must I not, before that, ascertain that she is not this person, the same person, wearing another attire? Do
11:37you see this?
11:37That's what most of our desirous love is like. I suffer with one object, one person, one idea, one place,
11:46one endeavour. I suffer there. Then I hop on to the next one without caring to realise that the next
11:53one is fundamentally like the previous one.
11:55So I am only extending my suffering. And this is not love. This blind desire, which just keeps seeking variable
12:06objects. And that doesn't help.
12:09Why do you think we have it fundamentally like? Why? How has it evolved in us through time?
12:19Why do we have it? Why etc. exists this very question? See, why is a paradigm. Why-ness indicates causality.
12:30All causality exists only in the world of the ego. Otherwise, there is no why-ness.
12:40Why-ness. Why-ness is only when this leads to that. And that happens only in the world of the
12:46objects. And when the ego is too obsessed with objects, then the question of why arises. Otherwise, it just is.
12:56Just is. There is no why. It just is.
13:00I mean, once we understand it, then we can choose. Like we can perform better. Like we will be able
13:05to identify that.
13:06Yes, it happens. You don't do it, but it happens. All kinds of betterment happens.
13:12That's why like because evolutionally like there will be some purpose like we have derived this in our brain.
13:18No, no. All purpose is individual. Individual. Evolution has only one purpose. Continuity.
13:25Yeah, I mean, even if we die, whatever we do, their life will still be poor.
13:29It doesn't matter to evolution if one member of a species dies.
13:32Even if World War III happens right now, Mother Nature won't really care about us.
13:36Yes, yes, yes. So all purpose is for this one. And its purpose is to come to purposelessness.
13:44It has assumed purposefulness by attaching itself with this. It said, this is my purpose. But here it is suffering.
13:58Here it is suffering.
13:59So now the right purpose is to disentangle, unengage, disengage. Be here. And play.
14:12Yeah. So like, what do sanyasis do? Like, do they actually do it in the same thing? Is there like
14:18a specific way that they do it?
14:21What do you mean by a sanyasi? Somebody wearing a particular attire?
14:25That's all stereotyped. All that is manmade.
14:27Yeah, exactly. But then what do you like, how can, can you clear up the definition for all of us?
14:32Sanyas simply means dropping the needless, refusing to be stupid. That is sanyas.
14:38So they might have a predefined need for them, right? Like, for example.
14:43We all have that need. It's just that some are more honest towards their own needs. And some of us
14:49are loveless enough to suppress our own inner needs.
14:53For me, let's say, my need is to socialize with people.
14:57No, that's not your need. No, no, no. Nobody has that need.
15:00You socialize for a purpose. So you figure out what that purpose is. And then there would be a purpose
15:06behind that purpose.
15:07And if you continue, you will circle back to yourself. You are the ultimate purpose of all your efforts. And
15:17if you see that, then instead of going out, you will go within.
15:21Because as it's like even said in scientific journals where human beings only survive well when there is a stimulation
15:28of some sort for them.
15:29They are dealing with the body. When you talk of science, all that science can deal with is the body
15:36and the brain.
15:37That is also affecting their own consciousness as well, right? That affects only when you become a participant, no more
15:44an observer.
15:45So all that science is saying is wonderful. But remember, that is not about you. It is about the body.
15:52Science is not lying to you.
15:54But there is an agency mismatch. What science is saying is great, but it is not about you. So there
16:04is a great scientific discovery, for example, about my thumb.
16:08So it is about this thing. It is not about me. Science is wonderful when it comes to thumbs. But
16:16science is helpless when it comes to the self.
16:21Because even isolated confinement is considered a cruelest form of torture in any...
16:26Yes, when it comes to the body. Because the body requires the body and the mind, they require company of
16:31some kind, yes.
16:32But the same thing that is totally reversed when it comes to who you really are. That one feels suffocated
16:40in a crowd.
16:41Yeah, but then the mind... will the mind function its best in such a...
16:45The best functioning is when both adhere to their nature. This one needs a crowd. That's the nature. This one
16:52needs a crowd. Give it the crowd. Let it have the crowd.
16:55This one is an individual. This one can be only in aloneness. So even in the middle of the crowd,
17:05this must be alone.
17:07And a crowd is something you can never avoid even if you try to. So let this be freely mingling
17:15with all kinds of crowds.
17:17Outer crowds, mental crowds. Right? Because its nature is to be crowded. Is there anything material in the universe that
17:27does not interact with the rest of the particles in the universe?
17:30Is it possible? No. Similarly, this too is a particle. And it will interact with the rest of the universe.
17:36Let it freely interact.
17:38But this one, its nature is to be one and only one. Only one. This should not impose its nature
17:49on this. And this should not be allowed to impose its nature on this.
17:55So you can go to the party. Dance, mingle, socialize as much as you want to. But internally, you must
18:05still remain untouched. That's who you are.
18:08So there are two bodies. One is the observer and another is a consumer. So is there, if I am
18:20saying there is an observer self. So is there any supreme observer which is observing everything? Do we have something
18:27like that?
18:27If there can be one supreme observer here? It can go to infinity like that. And if this happens, then
18:37this happens. If the three of, if these three have somebody behind them, then are these three observers or observed?
18:54Observed. Observed. Observed. Then they'll not be on that side of the cup. Then they'll be on this side of
18:59the cup because they are the observed phenomena. Which means there can be only one observer always. If this observer
19:08has somebody behind him, then this one is no more an observer. It is the observed one.
19:13Observed. So is it what called Advait we say? You can call it Advait.
19:20Hello sir. My name is Devshikha and I'm from AI department, a first year PhD student. Since childhood, girls are
19:31trained so that they can follow the religious practice and rituals.
19:38And the other thing like the women always keep praying and having fast for husband and sons. We are not
19:48to feel the same as my mother feel about the religion. So my question is, how should being a woman
19:56or a girl treat a religion?
19:59Listen, it's not a question that pertains only to the current situation. Man-made religion was always ugly.
20:12Man-made religion was always, always ugly. There is a great difference between religion and man-made religion. That is
20:24ugly and that has always been ugly. The kind of religion you see being practiced all around has always been
20:31ugly. No doubt about it.
20:33Man-made religion. That's what happens throughout history. Initially, during its foundation, it will definitely mean something. For example, we
20:41know the caste system that we know now. Initially, it might just be like a flow chart of how a
20:47system is, how any system is. But then now we are using that for human greed where we categorize them
20:54based on their caste or so like that.
20:57Man-made religion. It is not something that can flow from the past to the present. It has to be
21:04individually discovered by each human being. In each generation, at each point in time, religion is not ancestral property. It
21:17is not a thing of legacy. You cannot say, our glorious forefathers bequeathed it and we have inherited it.
21:25Man-made religion. It has to be evolved with time. No, I am not saying that. I am saying, each
21:30child is born ignorant. And the journey from ignorance to illumination is religion. And each one of us has to
21:40do it for herself. Yes, the past can help, but the past can also be a big impediment.
21:48Man-made religion. You have to travel on your own. You have to travel on your own because it is
21:51your own life. Right? Most of what we know as religion is not religion at all. It is a very
21:59vicious distortion of religion. Religion is…
22:03Personally, I believe in only humanity as a religion. Only? Only humanity. What's that?
22:13Like, without one particular God, there are some set of rules which… Where do those rules come from?
22:21We made it. So, that is as bad as man-made religion? If the chef is bad, would the pizza
22:31be better than the cake?
22:34If the chef is a drunkard or totally mad, would the pizza be better than the cake? Then what is
22:42this new religion called humanity? Man-made religion. This humanity also is equally corrupted and distorted because it is coming
22:50from you.
22:51Man-made religion. Yeah, I think that's where the problem lies where religion, they try to tell us foundation concepts
22:56where we cannot even question it ourselves.
22:59Obviously. That's where it falls apart.
23:00See, religion is the journey from your native biological state of ignorance to a state where you see that and
23:17you see this.
23:19And therefore, you are no more in ignorance about either of them. That is religion. A movement from darkness to
23:29understanding. Apart from this, there is nothing called religion. These rituals, traditions, whatever, stories, they don't constitute religion. They are
23:40just tradition. And that tradition can be of no help.
23:43Man-made religion is ìž….
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