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‘INAAWAY MO KO LAGI'

On Wednesday, August 05, Senator-judge Imee Marcos questioned former COA-ICFAO state auditor Roderick Wamil during the impeachment trial after repeatedly asking for a "yes" or "no" answer about who should be held accountable for the use of confidential funds.

Wamil maintained that accountability does not rest solely with the Special Disbursing Officer, explaining that the head of the agency is also responsible for ensuring compliance with government rules and regulations. (Video courtesy of Senate of the Philippines)

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00:00Oo, ang liwalag sa definition ng joint circular.
00:03Mag-yes or no ka lang. Kanina ka pa, inaaway mo ko lagi.
00:07Sorry for your honor.
00:08But hindi po ako pwedeng mag-answer categorically since yun nga po yung provision.
00:12But it's categorical.
00:14You may proceed, ma'am. When you're ready, you have two minutes.
00:16Maraming salamat, ginoong Pangulong ko.
00:21Itutuloy ko lang yung tinatanong ko kanina
00:23dahil may nabanggit kayo ng presumption of misappropriation.
00:27Tama ba?
00:27For personal use.
00:30Based on the joint circular po, meron po.
00:32Oo, tama.
00:33Pakatapos nun, tinitingnan ko yung joint circular
00:37at maliwanag that the presumption for misappropriation
00:43arises against the accountable officer.
00:48Di ba?
00:49Against the accountable officer.
00:51Sino ang accountable officer?
00:53Maliwanag naman yung joint circular.
00:55Sa 3.1, sabi yung officer
00:57whose duties permit or require possession of government funds.
01:02Di ba?
01:03Based on the joint circular po, may ganyang provision.
01:05Oo.
01:06So yung SDO talaga, yung special disbursing officer
01:09has the possession, the custody.
01:11Tama.
01:11Yun, di ba?
01:12Yes, pa.
01:12O kung gano'n, if the presumption na personal use,
01:17ayon sa 8.3 ng joint circular,
01:20failure of the accountable officer to liquidate any public funds,
01:24is tantamount na nga to that presumption.
01:27Hindi po ba?
01:29Yes, ma'am.
01:29Yung tanong dito, sino ang accountable officer dito sa sitwasyon na to?
01:35Kasi ang liwa-liwanag na hindi naman si Vice President ang payee.
01:40Hindi naman sinasabi na nasa kanya yung pera.
01:44Ang liwanag sa inyong joint circular,
01:47that the special disbursing officer is the one who was designated by the head of agency
01:54to have custody.
01:55Di ba?
01:56And in the case of the OVP, si Acosta yun.
02:00In the case of DepEd, hindi ba si Faharda yun?
02:04That is not entirely correct po, Your Honor.
02:06Because under the joint circular,
02:08it shall be the responsibility of the head of the agency
02:11first to approve yung cash advance.
02:13Pangalawa, to oversee yung agency-wide utilization.
02:16Pangalawa, to ensure compliance with the joint circular.
02:19And also po, inattest din po ni OVP yung...
02:23Ang responsive po.
02:26Ang tinatanong ko lang,
02:27hindi ba yung designated, yung SDO, si Faharda lang at si Acosta,
02:33hindi si VP, hindi si yung payee.
02:36Ang liwa-liwana.
02:37Pero ang sinabi niyo po kanina, yung accountable officer.
02:39Kaya nga, so yung accountable officer,
02:42eh yung SDO, nasa JCD.
02:44Hindi lang po si SDO po yung accountable officer.
02:46Or, ang sabi doon, head of agency or person designated.
02:54Oo, ang liwanag sa definition ng joint circular.
02:57Mag yes or no ka lang.
02:59Kanina ka pa, inaaway mo ko lagi.
03:00Sorry po, Your Honor.
03:02But hindi po ako pwedeng mag-answer categorically,
03:05since yun nga po yung provision.
03:06But it's categorical.
03:07Na yes or...
03:08Why don't you go back to your joint circular?
03:10Yeah po.
03:11Kapag sinabi po kasing categorical, it's either yes po.
03:13Ang liwa-liwanag, SDO kapag na-designate ng head of office, di ba?
03:18But hindi po kasi doon na nalilimit lang yung term na accountable officer.
03:22Kasi may other provisions na applicable pa rin po
03:24with respect to the term accountable officer.
03:27Asan?
03:28Kasi napakaliwanag doon sa definitions
03:31at pakaliwanag sa 8.3 ng joint circular.
03:35Yun nga po yung na-mention ko kanina.
03:36Interpretation na ninyo yun.
03:38Pinapalawak ninyo na doon eh.
03:39Head of office, head of agency or designated.
03:43Hindi po, Your Honor.
03:45Kasi yun nga po, nakalagay po doon sa...
03:47Sabi mo kanina yes, ngayon no naman.
03:49Wala po ang sinabing yes po, Your Honor.
03:50Sinabi mo kanina eh, oo, SDO nga in charge.
03:54Sinabi ko lang po kung ano yung...
03:55Kino-firm ko lang po kung ano yung SDO po, Your Honor.
03:57Aton Iwamil, kindly avoid arguing with Senator Judge Marcos.
04:02Sige po.
04:03And kindly wind up, Senator Judge Marcos.
04:05Okay, okay. Pwede lang itanong kasi nalito ako kahapon.
04:08Kahapon sinabi mo na si VP Sara lang
04:11ang first and only vice president that you audited
04:14na may confidential funds.
04:16Sinabi mo yun, di ba?
04:17Yes po, Your Honor.
04:18Tapos kahapon, nung pinakita ng depensa,
04:22yung saro na si VP B9,
04:25noong 22 December 2014,
04:28may binigay na 6 million kay VP B9 ang DBM.
04:33Alin ba ang totoo sa dalawang sinabi mo magkatunggal eh?
04:38Yung pinakita po kapon ay
04:39special allotment release order po.
04:41So nagkakaroon po ng special allotment release order kapag merong...
04:44Alam po kung ano ang saro, matagal na.
04:46Tumanda na po kami sa gobyerno.
04:48Pero hindi po kasi yan ni-liquidate sa IKPAO.
04:50So we wouldn't know if it was useful or not.
04:52Ito ang, klaro, may katibayan na hindi ka isa-isang VP si VP Sara.
05:00Your Honor, since hindi po nagsubit ng liquidation,
05:03hindi rin po...
05:04Teka, nandun nga na sa IKPAO noong 2014, sabi mo, di ba?
05:08Yes po.
05:09O kaya nga,
05:10o di kahit si VP B9 may confidential funds,
05:15the only VP audited was VP Sara.
05:19Ganun ba yun?
05:20Since si VP Sara lang po yung nagsubit ng liquidation.
05:23At ba't hindi mo alam?
05:24If I may clarify po.
05:26Ba't hindi mo alam?
05:27Nandun ka na noong 2014.
05:28Dapat alam mo yun.
05:29If I may clarify po, Your Honor.
05:31Since wala pong budget dun sa JAS to confidential funds,
05:35at hindi naman po nag-liquidate si VP B9
05:37nung kanilang confidential funds,
05:39so hindi po namin alam kung ginamit
05:41at hindi na po nakarating sa COVA yung saro po.
05:44Hindi ang tanong, nabigyan ng confidential funds humingi
05:47at nabigyan, may saro eh.
05:50We wouldn't know if it is useful.
05:51Yan lang naman ang tanong eh.
05:52Of course you know, may saro.
05:53Sinabi mo nga, totoo yung sarong yun.
05:56Anyway, alin ang totoo?
05:58Si VP B9 o si VP Sara?
06:00Talaga bang totoo yung dalawa?
06:02O isa lang?
06:03We don't know.
06:04Based on our records po,
06:05si VP Sara lang po yung may liquidation.
06:07So maraming we don't know ang COVA?
06:09Ganun ba yun?
06:10Based on our records po,
06:11si VP Sara lang po yung nag-liquidate
06:13nung confidential funds.
06:14Eh may record nga ng saro.
06:16Maraming salamat.
06:16Thank you, Senator Judge Marcos.
06:20Chari.
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