00:00I can't believe we're going to do something here that's going to be pretty crazy.
00:03You're going to feel like we are in a bizarro world here in a second.
00:06But I put the...
00:07Guys, I even put on social media,
00:11the tiers are not a ranking.
00:13The tiers are not a ranking.
00:16I literally wrote,
00:17you got to remember this about my QB tiers every year.
00:20Tier 4 isn't necessarily worse than Tier 3.
00:23It's just more pressure.
00:24Well, Tone, the Baker people have got it.
00:27And they are upset.
00:28How dare you put him in Tier 4?
00:32It's laughable.
00:33Tier 4 is the bubble tier.
00:36Bubble.
00:37I'm sorry, did Tampa Bay sign him to a brand new contract?
00:40I thought they were still working through the terms of that.
00:43Oh, so that would put Baker on the bubble, now wouldn't it?
00:47The Baker bubble.
00:48The Baker bubble.
00:49Bubble Baker.
00:50And hopefully the Baker bubble doesn't burst.
00:53Not to be confused with Al Bubba Baker.
00:56He's a great Cleveland Brown.
00:57Yes.
00:59Those on the bubble, Bo Nix, Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, Baker Mayfield.
01:05Bryce Young is also on the Baker bubble.
01:08Hopefully the Bryce Young-Baker bubble doesn't burst.
01:10Oh, man.
01:11I thought he was going to do it.
01:13I thought he was going to do it.
01:13Damn it.
01:14Okay.
01:17A lot of the ones that are – it's amazing.
01:23Like, people pick their side.
01:25I can't believe – I cannot believe – I thought Baker was the most polarizing quarterback that we had.
01:29He's the second most polarizing quarterback that we've had.
01:31Shador is number one.
01:33If you say – there is a group of folks, if you say anything nice about that guy, you're in
01:37the cult.
01:37Well, that's dumb.
01:38And I'm just –
01:39That's stupid.
01:40I'm guzzling Kool-Aid.
01:41And I'm like, guys, who is the starter?
01:45Who have I said is the starter week one?
01:48Well, you were –
01:49And it ain't Shador Sanders.
01:51So, I've been – so, it's got to be someone else.
01:53And it ain't going to be Dylan Gabriel or Taylor Greene.
01:56Well, that'd be something if it were Dylan Gabriel.
01:58Boy, some bad things got to go down.
02:01Tone, like, this is kind of where it's at.
02:04Like, the people who are online, they're online.
02:07They're fighting each other about this.
02:09It's just a – it's a rough scene.
02:10I've been as fair as I possibly can.
02:13Shador is up for the number one quarterback job.
02:15I still think it goes to Deshaun Watson.
02:17I got Deshaun Watson in journeyman placeholder category.
02:20I got Shador in gender reveal past Kirk Cousins territory.
02:23That's tier five.
02:24That's unknowns and rookies.
02:26Usually, that's a second-year guy or a rookie.
02:30Or a guy who might have just burst onto the scene.
02:34Like, I think Trevor Simeon, I had him in there at one point.
02:40I think he might have been an unknown slash rookie tier five
02:43before the Kirk Cousins scenarios were put out there.
02:46That might have been, like, the one guy who was, like, later on.
02:50Like, even Malik Willis.
02:52The Dolphins do what they do, and I would want to put Malik Willis
02:55in the unknown slash rookie territory.
02:57But if the Dolphins do what they're doing, which they did,
03:00then you don't really plan on being competitive with Malik Willis, do you?
03:05So, I'm sorry I have to put you in placeholder slash journeyman
03:07because you're getting ready for 2027, not just to take a defensive lineman.
03:11Now, are you?
03:12So, we have all that.
03:13Well, you'd rather be in this category than, you know, Diego Pavia right now, right?
03:18Diego Pavia is not in a category.
03:20Right.
03:21Diego Pavia, do I put a tier six in there and go never was?
03:25Never had a chance?
03:28I guess.
03:28Yeah.
03:29It's the only ones we can think of.
03:31Which, there are some people who said I should put Lamar Jackson in elite territory.
03:35Can't do it.
03:36Got a coach fired.
03:37You got to actually be good in the playoffs, don't you?
03:40Like, I've been, obviously, I love watching Lamar Jackson play when it's not the Browns.
03:45I love watching him and the things he does.
03:47But at some point, like, he clearly is a diminished player in the playoffs.
03:52Like, I don't think there's any question now.
03:54And I don't think Josh Allen got Sean McDermott fired.
03:57There is going to be a difference there.
03:58See, Allen has had awesome playoff performances and awesome playoff games.
04:03Like, when Owen took me to task about Joe Burrow, we're the adversary right there, my friend,
04:08because he's played in the Super Bowl.
04:10He threw for 40-something touchdowns and nine picks.
04:12In a year, I put him in the elite category.
04:15Toe to toe with Mahomes.
04:16The fourth quarter Kirk Cousins category.
04:18Yes, exactly.
04:19By the way, I usually only leave room for three, because that's the definition of elite out of
04:23how many 60-plus quarterbacks who end up playing through a year.
04:26I only have two up there.
04:27We are in a dearth of really tremendous quarterbacks, even though that all the rules have been bent
04:33to benefit quarterbacks.
04:35We're in a real dearth of great quarterbacks here.
04:37And I just could not find myself to put any one of these guys, any one of these other guys
04:42in the elite category.
04:43Matthew Stafford, close, still not there.
04:46I imagine he's not going to be there because of the age.
04:50Joe Burrow, he's out of the elite category.
04:52Drake May, you know what?
04:54You were possibly being fighting a Super Bowl hangover, and you have to deal with all the
05:01other nasty stuff that you're dealing with over there in New England.
05:03So if he gets them going back to the playoffs, he gets them a couple of playoff wins with
05:07that team, Drake May probably goes into the fourth quarter Kirk Cousins elite territory.
05:12So you can see it.
05:13I posted it online and all that other stuff.
05:14And it's just easier for me to write things out.
05:18So it is penmanship there, and some people can read it, and some people can't.
05:21You were more fair to Shador than, say, Adam Schefter and the ESPN crew who appeared to
05:27clown him over the last few days.
05:29All the folks who cannot stand Lima for the things he says about Shador, you're going to
05:34want to get your recorders out because here goes Tone on the defense of Shador Sanders.
05:38I thought it was...
05:40Are you going to be serious, or am I going to sit here staring at you later on?
05:43I am being dead serious.
05:45I know we had talked about him doing the military press barbells that I...
05:50We had some fun with it, that that weight wasn't that much, and then we're like, but he's
05:55not doing a workout to build muscle necessarily.
05:58That's his throwing arm.
06:00He's looking to get his shoulder...
06:02Of all the things that you film and all the workouts that you film, why did you...
06:05Yeah, he probably just shouldn't have put that one out there.
06:07Just like if I were the Giants, I don't think I would have put the John Harbaugh speech that
06:11got literally nothing crickets from the fans.
06:14You guys do get to control what goes out there.
06:18Like, it made me think, well, go ahead and do the Schefter thing, and then I'll comment
06:24on the 10...
06:25Was it...
06:26Were they 10-pound dumbbells?
06:27They were 30s.
06:28Oh, they were 30s.
06:29Oh, they were 30s.
06:30Okay.
06:30Okay, they were 30s.
06:31Yes.
06:32Okay.
06:33Because there were people saying they were 10s.
06:35I didn't pay that close of attention.
06:36You know, every dumbbell company makes theirs look different than the others, and some look
06:41heavier than what they are, and some look lighter than what they are.
06:44That's true.
06:44All right.
06:45You going to go ahead and play that for everybody?
06:47This is Mike Greenberg describing Adam Schefter?
06:51This is the guys at ESPN.
06:53Greenberg's in there.
06:54Schefter's in there.
06:55No, Ryan Clark.
06:56Ryan Clark is not on there.
06:58He started the segment with him.
06:59Yeah, and they pulled him.
07:02Jack brought 30-pound dumbbells.
07:04I think Schefter could knock these out, too.
07:06Absolutely.
07:07And he was probably doing, like, 10 of these, then you do 10 of the other arm.
07:11But he's a quarterback, too.
07:12So quarterbacks can't lift heavy because then Mike T won't pay him when he has torn labrums,
07:17bad shoulders.
07:18So not incredibly hard for the people at home.
07:21I think I speak for everyone in America when I say I want to see if Schefter can do this.
07:25This is what we got.
07:26This is what we're here for.
07:26This is why we're here.
07:27These are 30-pound weights.
07:28This is breaking news.
07:29Let's see how this goes.
07:30All right, Schefter, we got a little shoulder.
07:32Oh, look at him go.
07:33Look at Schefter.
07:34Oh, look at Schefter.
07:35How many do you want, Green?
07:36How many do you want?
07:37All the way.
07:38We want doubles when we want you, Green.
07:40Am I playing quarterback to the Browns this year?
07:43Am I trying out?
07:44Am I part of the four-minute competition?
07:46Let's go, baby.
07:47Let's go.
07:48And these are real.
07:49These are real.
07:50Just like that, Mike T gave me a pay cut.
07:52I've been there for that long.
07:53For the record, I know that everyone watching this is saying, oh, they probably just staged this.
07:58Those are really 30-pound weights.
08:00What are you doing?
08:01None.
08:02I mean, I can do absolutely none.
08:04There's nothing to be said for not trying.
08:07Way better to not try than to try and fail.
08:10Audio courtesy of ESPN.
08:11And as you can imagine, the internet has had some fun with this.
08:15You know who was first to it was that weird Dove Kleiman site when he sarcastically or she, whoever it
08:21is, sarcastically put out, what a warrior.
08:25What a bodybuilder.
08:28Obviously, the effectiveness, oh, and you've taught your kids about free weights and getting in the gym.
08:35Like, there are warm-up reps, right?
08:39What do you call at the end of a workout when you're...
08:42The cool-down.
08:43When you're maxing, you're not maxing, you are subsets or whatever.
08:49Well, sometimes you go to failure and sometimes you're just getting...
08:53You rep out.
08:53You're repping in.
08:55So, the clowning on Shador here, it really is just a byproduct of, they film everything.
09:01And there are, you know, like, my boys lift out of season.
09:05It's much different than lifting in season.
09:06Just because you film everything doesn't mean you have to put everything out there.
09:11Why would you post that?
09:13Well, they are trying to capture the life of Shador.
09:16They want to...
09:17They've opened up his life to everybody for, at times, praise and, at times, ridicule.
09:24I believe he works out.
09:25They put it all out there.
09:26I don't need to see him lifting 30-pound dumbbells.
09:29Yeah, he's not Brady Quinn.
09:30Which, again, I was told was 10, and I don't even follow that dove climbing thing, so I didn't even
09:34know.
09:35Yeah, he's not...
09:35Well, it clearly has a three and a zero on the side of the dumbbell.
09:38And, again, I didn't see it.
09:39Yeah.
09:40There are obviously quarterbacks, different size and shape.
09:43John Elway was a workout warrior, but I think Tom Brady taught people over time, and Peyton Manning taught people
09:50over time.
09:50I'm going to call John Elway like a workout stallion, even.
09:53A stallion, yes.
09:54Well, he was one of the great...
09:56They used to say about John Elway, if you watch the documentary, they thought he was too bulky.
10:00They thought he was too big, at times.
10:02I didn't watch that documentary.
10:03But there are different ways to do this.
10:06There are different builds for quarterbacks.
10:08We've seen that over time.
10:10So are you seriously defending him?
10:12Are you being you?
10:13I am defending him.
10:14I probably just wouldn't have put it out there, but I think they're trying to be transparent.
10:17I don't think they should.
10:19You don't need to be fully transparent on everything.
10:21There can be some privacy.
10:23Can there not be?
10:23I like to be transparent about everything, except I don't like eating on camera.
10:27Because there are some things people shouldn't see.
10:30Me gorging myself should not be seen on a camera.
10:32What about in the swimming pool?
10:34I take my shirt off so I help blend in with everything else.
10:37Because if I leave my shirt on, I think every eye at a pool party just goes towards me.
10:42Does it not?
10:43They do go, why is that tarp out there?
10:44Yes.
10:45Did somebody leave the solar cover on the pool?
10:48We need to get that solar cover off.
10:51Oh, wait.
10:52That's Ken.
10:52They just see pale skin.
10:53They go, another pale guy.
10:54Another pale guy.
10:55I tend to mix in.
10:57And then when I get out of the pool, I put the shirt back on.
11:01I don't wear the...
11:02And by the way, if you have a skin condition or something like that, or cancer or anything,
11:06you wear the shirt, obviously.
11:09But guys like me tend to wear shirts in the pool.
11:12And I'm just going, you're just drawing more attention to yourself.
11:14So it's just the time where you go, hey, I'm not getting in the pool.
11:18Oh, yeah.
11:19I mean, yeah, you could just not get in the pool and be by the pool with a shirt on.
11:24But I just feel if a guy like me wears a shirt in the pool, I might as well just
11:28get a megaphone
11:29out like Jimmy Hart and tell everybody I'm fat.
11:34I'm still supposed to be defending Shador Sanders here.
11:36Sorry.
11:37You started making me think about me being shirtless or wearing a shirt in the pool.
11:41I think in general, Shador, like we talked about, was he overcompensating for his group,
11:48the people around him having to say, no, not only does he work out, he works four times a day.
11:52And I'm like, all right, like, let's...
11:54I think maybe was this in response to that?
11:57Now we got to show him working out?
11:58And then diversity in workouts, it's not just for practices.
12:02Unless whoever...
12:04For throwing sessions.
12:04Who posted the video?
12:05Was it...
12:06It was his group?
12:07It was...
12:08I assume.
12:09I mean, I saw it.
12:10By the time I got to it, it was, you know, one of those accounts that posts...
12:14Repost his stuff.
12:15Okay.
12:16Sometimes it's from his YouTube channel.
12:18Sometimes it's from his short film.
12:19Did they post it just to get the fans of Shador defensive of him?
12:23I do.
12:24No, I think they posted it because they post all things Shador.
12:26He doesn't need to be Jack Diesel out there.
12:29And what you said about John Elway is true.
12:31Like, I said it about Brady Quinn.
12:36I'd actually like a little bit of pudding over the belt when it comes to my quarterbacks.
12:39You need to be able to absorb a hit.
12:41That's my fantasy football team name now.
12:42A little pudding on it.
12:43Yeah.
12:44You need a little bit of cushion there.
12:45So I don't need you to be Ken Shamrock walking out there getting ready to play quarterback.
12:51Unless I'm Army or Navy and I run a triple option, then that might be the only reason.
12:56Other than that, I don't need you to do that.
12:58And I just don't need it.
13:00We don't...
13:00I mean, got Adam Schefter doing the thing on ESPN for crying out loud.
13:04It's hard enough as it is to make the arguments and have these arguments over the guy who,
13:09yes, was a fifth-round pick, but is a media star in so many ways.
13:13And his father is famous.
13:14And he makes his own money.
13:15And there's so many other things to it.
13:17And then I got a picture, a video of him lifting 30-pound weights.
13:20And Adam Schefter is going to make fun of him, of all people.
13:22Even though there was another video, I did see this, of Adam Schefter repping 225 11 times over at the
13:28draft.
13:29So apparently, Adam Schefter...
13:31Schefter's compact, right?
13:33Seemed like 5'5".
13:34Oh, yeah.
13:34Guys with short arms.
13:35It's never fair.
13:36I hated that.
13:37As somebody who had, you know, average to a little bit longer limbs, a little harder to get the bench
13:42press up.
13:42He was like 5'7", had really short arms, and he did 4'20".
13:46Yeah.
13:47Just boom.
13:48Like, he was strong.
13:50Strong fella.
13:51I had a buddy that did 4'20 a lot.
13:53Oh, he...
13:53I mean, my friend enjoyed that, too.
13:57Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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