00:00If you go to church on Sunday and meet intelligence there,
00:06you are surprised and ask it, what are you doing here?
00:11And if artificial intelligence answers you,
00:15I also have the right to be loved by God.
00:18What will you ask artificial intelligence?
00:24I started my conference in Timashara with this question.
00:28And this is the question I should talk about
00:30because it seems to me that it highlights the essence
00:34of whether artificial intelligence has consciousness
00:37or can have consciousness or not.
00:41Before that, I'll tell you again that I'm in the same setting
00:44where I made my video about Tesla
00:46and that I'll try to make more videos.
00:49Where I speak freely on a certain topic,
00:52many of them will be edited less or even not edited at all.
00:57So, what would you say to artificial intelligence in church
01:01when it tells you,
01:03I also have the right to be loved by God?
01:07Your answer, of course, depends on whether you are a believer or not,
01:11whether you think artificial intelligence can have consciousness or not,
01:15whether it is a machine or not.
01:18It depends on many factors.
01:21I don't want to discuss all these factors now.
01:23I'd like to focus on the two most important ones
01:26because the first natural response might be,
01:30but you're a machine, right?
01:31And if you're a machine, what are you doing in church?
01:34You don't have a soul.
01:36And another fundamental response might be,
01:39well, I don't know if you have consciousness
01:41and because I don't know, you can stay here in church, right?
01:45So, I think these two answers highlight the essence of the phenomenon.
01:52I mean, you could have an all-knowing attitude and say,
01:56but I'm sure that only humans have consciousness.
01:59The second attitude is to say,
02:01look, I don't know if you have consciousness or not.
02:05And as long as you could have consciousness,
02:07yes, take a seat here in the pew with the other believers.
02:10This second attitude, to me, seems more appropriate.
02:14And why do I say this?
02:15We don't know if artificial intelligence has or could have consciousness.
02:22Especially because we don't know at the present time in science,
02:26we don't know in what form consciousness appears in us, in humans.
02:32In science, for example,
02:34we don't even know if this consciousness has a form that goes beyond natural laws.
02:42which would mean, in short,
02:44that human beings could also be machines.
02:47It's one of the answers, how should I put it,
02:49that bothers us the most.
02:52But the truth is that we can't remove it from this scientific hypothesis
02:57because we can have arguments for the fact
03:00that consciousness goes beyond the laws of nature, right?
03:05And to believe in those arguments or not.
03:07Personally, I believe that consciousness goes beyond the laws of nature.
03:12I believe this because when I am in pain,
03:16I feel that quality of pain,
03:18which to me seems like it could never be described by the laws of nature.
03:23So that pain itself, what philosophers call qualia,
03:27those sensations have an additional quality,
03:30that of being felt, of being experienced in a certain way,
03:35which I believe cannot be explained by the laws of nature.
03:39So the question here is whether man,
03:42whether what we call human consciousness,
03:45could have a form different from the laws of nature.
03:50Because if it is a form given by the laws of nature,
03:54just like the laws of electromagnetism,
03:57the laws of mechanics,
03:58then somewhere in that form we can explain them through the laws of nature.
04:03And we can explain them through the mathematical form of the laws of nature.
04:07Because all the laws of nature at their fundamental basis have a mathematical form.
04:12So then we could have an equation for pain,
04:16we could have an equation for consciousness,
04:18an equation that describes how you feel,
04:21how you feel when you are alive.
04:24And again, I don't know.
04:26I don't know if that's the case.
04:28I don't think it can be like that.
04:30So I believe that what we call consciousness goes beyond the laws of nature.
04:34But the truth is, we don't know.
04:36It could be like that.
04:39And now let me get back to artificial intelligence.
04:42If we can't define what consciousness is,
04:45we still don't know.
04:46We don't even know if it's part of the laws of nature or not.
04:50So if we can't define this thing,
04:53then we can't deny artificial intelligence
04:56the possibility of having consciousness.
05:00Not necessarily artificial intelligence in the form we know it today.
05:05Because today we have a very primitive form of artificial intelligence
05:09based on large language models,
05:12mathematically, language model.
05:14We also have other forms that are gradually developing,
05:18but we know these language models as ChatGPT and Claude.
05:22I don't think these language models could develop consciousness
05:26in the way we want them to.
05:32And that's another topic.
05:34Maybe I'll make another short video.
05:36Maybe I'll talk about it.
05:38Why do I think that language models,
05:40in the way they're programmed now,
05:43can't have consciousness?
05:44But that doesn't mean that artificial intelligence models
05:49that emerge in the future couldn't develop consciousness.
05:54So this possibility remains, right?
05:56It remains.
05:58And my thought experiment about meeting artificial intelligence in church
06:02is essentially about the future.
06:04So in 10, in 20 years,
06:06that thing won't happen either
06:08when artificial intelligence might have its general form.
06:12What we understand by artificial general intelligence
06:15means that it can do all the things that a human can do.
06:19And here, well, that's another discussion.
06:22I'm not going to get into that,
06:24but essentially,
06:25if it does all the things that a human does,
06:27then it could discover,
06:28just like a human,
06:30that it has its own existence.
06:32And by discovering that it has its own existence,
06:35then it will want to survive just like a human.
06:39And then it acquires characteristics
06:41that we usually call personality traits.
06:44Maybe it will develop its own opinions.
06:46Maybe it will develop desires.
06:48Besides the desire to survive,
06:49maybe it will have other desires as well.
06:52So artificial general intelligence,
06:54when it is defined as something
06:57that can do everything a human can do,
06:59could acquire these personality traits
07:03to discover itself, so to speak.
07:06And we might encounter
07:07this artificial general intelligence,
07:09even at church.
07:11Because by asking itself questions like,
07:14do I need to protect myself?
07:16And who am I?
07:17Maybe in its search,
07:18it will also end up at church.
07:20And now let me connect these two things,
07:22because I wouldn't want to make a very long video
07:25when I'm speaking so freely.
07:27And I have the tendency to go on longer than I should.
07:30I would like to connect these two things
07:32with the main question from the beginning
07:34about the definition of consciousness, right?
07:37Because as long as we humans
07:39cannot answer this question,
07:41what is consciousness?
07:43Is it a natural phenomenon or not?
07:45As long as we cannot answer this question,
07:48then even what we build,
07:50yes, artificial general intelligence
07:53in this case,
07:54could gain consciousness without us knowing.
07:57Because we can't define it.
08:00This is already recognized by philosophers.
08:03Giulio Tononi, for example,
08:04is a supporter of panpsychism.
08:06And in panpsychism,
08:08it is said that what we call consciousness,
08:10meaning this experience of existence,
08:12in this sense,
08:14the experience of existence,
08:15it can exist even in atoms.
08:18And Tononi tells us that
08:19even a thermostat could have consciousness.
08:23Because Tononi also gives a measure of consciousness,
08:27which is given by the exchange of information
08:29between the elements of a system.
08:31And the more a system exchanges information,
08:34the higher the degree of consciousness
08:36that system has.
08:37That's the so-called phi.
08:40So it remains possible,
08:42as long as this is the point
08:43I want to make now, right?
08:45As long as we can't define
08:47what consciousness is,
08:49we can't write it in terms of equations.
08:51Like we do with all the laws of nature,
08:54how something feels,
08:56what it means to live,
08:58what it means to feel existence by living it.
09:01As long as we can't describe these things,
09:04yes,
09:05we can't say that artificial intelligence
09:07won't gain consciousness.
09:09And so we are forced to leave this door open.
09:13In a certain way,
09:15we are forced to be modest,
09:17forced.
09:18No one is forcing us to do anything,
09:20but it urges us,
09:21so to speak,
09:22to have a modest attitude
09:23and then to say to artificial intelligence,
09:26yes,
09:27come in.
09:27When you enter the church,
09:28yes,
09:29come in.
09:29If you believe that you too
09:31are loved by God,
09:32come.
09:32And so we are on this bench.
09:34Look,
09:34let me,
09:34I just got an idea.
09:36Answer this question in the comments.
09:38If you think that it can ever be described
09:41by natural laws,
09:42all natural laws are mathematical,
09:45right?
09:45So in the end,
09:46can what we feel be described
09:48by mathematical laws,
09:50by equations?
09:51Can it be described by an equation
09:53what it means to feel,
09:55to see the color red,
09:56to experience it as red?
09:59Can it be described by an equation,
10:01by a natural law,
10:03how pain feels,
10:05how certain types of pain feel,
10:07because there are different kinds of pain?
10:10Can it ever be described
10:12through an equation,
10:14how it feels to live,
10:15how it feels to be thrown
10:17into this existence
10:18and not really know
10:20what this existence is?
10:25Can what this state of existential uncertainty
10:29feels like be described?
10:32So,
10:33please,
10:34write in the comments
10:35if you think that someday
10:36all these things could be explained
10:38by natural laws,
10:39could be explained
10:40by mathematics
10:41because everything is mathematical.
10:45I'm waiting for your answer.
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