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00:00and they threw out the verse on the trinity but the common man the lady the priest they'll still
00:05keep on preaching it because if they say yes there is no such thing in the words of jesus
00:09and even in the bible there's no such statement this is a concoction immediately they'll become
00:14muslims they'll lose their businesses if you lose all your church going members what you
00:19going to do with all your cathedrals so the thing is prejudice vested interest business
00:23is it's a thing that you know you hold on to your cows you're milking cows
00:34some hidden fact about the church was revealed in a question and answer session at a lecture
00:39delivered by shaikh ahmed didat at acton town hall london entitled christianity judaism or islam
00:47and that fact is about the church treating its members like milking cows they asked for money
00:52from their members but when a member has a problem the church asks them to pray
01:06uh
01:13did you repeat that question was
01:15Was the coming of Muhammad prophesied by Jesus in the Gospel of Barnabas recently discussed?
01:27The question the brother poses is, was the coming of Muhammad prophesied in the Bible by Jesus during the time
01:36of Jesus?
01:39The question is about the Gospel of St Barnabas.
01:42There is a Gospel of St Barnabas. The manuscripts are in the Vienna Museum.
01:49It was translated in 1907 by Lonsdale and Laura Ragg in Britain.
01:55The Gospel of St Barnabas.
01:57Now in that Gospel, the Holy Prophet Muhammad is mentioned by name.
02:03And everything that the Muslim believes seems to be confirmed in the Gospel of Barnabas.
02:08But now if we produce that as a proof of our claim that Jesus did mention the coming of our
02:15prophet by name, the Christian world don't know anything about the Gospel of Barnabas.
02:21They will tell you that this is a fabrication.
02:25Now you will be forced to start proving the Gospel of Barnabas to the Christian.
02:31At the end of an hour, an hour's exercise, the Christian can still say, look, but I don't know Barnabas.
02:39What are you doing?
02:40It's a wasted exercise.
02:41You see, if you can show, Allah b.a.w. wants you to follow a certain system.
02:47In the Holy Quran, He tells you,
02:55The Jews and the Christians, they say to the Muslims, that you Muslims will never, never enter heaven.
03:01There's no salvation for you.
03:03Unless you become a Jew or unless you become a Christian.
03:07In answer to that, Allah says,
03:10That this is the wishful thinking, vain desires, hallucination.
03:14Tell them, produce your proof.
03:20If you are speaking the truth, let us have a look at your certificate.
03:25Your diploma that entitles you to heaven and destines us to hell.
03:29Let us have a look.
03:31That is the principle.
03:33And they have produced it, the Bible.
03:35That's the proof, the Burhan.
03:38So now, if you can prove your case, as I was trying to do to you,
03:44That Jesus mentioned the coming of our Nabi Akadem.
03:47In His words, I gave you.
03:50And we can analyze that prophecy further.
03:53There are books that will be available on the subject.
03:55Muhammad, the natural successor to Christ.
03:58But now, this is the way.
04:00Show him in the book that he is holding in his hand.
04:03You say, Barnabas? I don't know Barnabas. I haven't seen Barnabas.
04:06You say, I'll produce it for you.
04:07They say, I don't know. I don't want to know Barnabas.
04:09Show me Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteron.
04:14So, you speak to him on that basis.
04:17There is a better chance for you to prove your case to him than to talk about Barnabas.
04:21So, my suggestion is, for your own entertainment, very good.
04:25Barnabas is very good.
04:27But don't waste your time in trying to convince the Christians with Barnabas.
04:30Okay?
04:32Jazakallah.
04:35Yes, brother.
04:37Mr. Didat, you have made a lot of references to the Bible.
04:42Yet, if I didn't put the Bible to my brothers, they don't accept what he said.
04:48The question is that Mr. Didat has made a lot of references to the Bible.
04:53The brother says when he quotes the Bible, the brothers do not accept those quotations.
05:02You see, what I am quoting you now are words, for example, if you have a red letter Bible.
05:11I think you know.
05:12I think you are a Christian.
05:13And as such, you know, what is it?
05:15Huh?
05:16You will.
05:17Right.
05:18The Christians have what is called a red letter Bible.
05:21Red letter Bible, everything that Jesus spoke is in red.
05:25In the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and throughout the 27 books, everything that Jesus spoke is in
05:30red.
05:31So he says, right, if this is what you say he spoke, I am quoting Jesus to you.
05:36But there are other things besides.
05:37They do not hold the same value in our sight, in the sight of the Muslim.
05:42So now there will be arguments and debates.
05:44We are now arguing on interpretations, which we have said, let us reason.
05:49Let us reason.
05:51But now, what do we think of the Bible?
05:53What do we believe about the Bible?
05:54There is a book available in the foyer, written by me.
05:59Is the Bible God's word?
06:01In a nutshell, I will tell you there, that there are three types of evidences in the Bible.
06:06Which any sensible man can see.
06:09In the Bible, you will find the word of God.
06:12God's word.
06:13For example, if I quote you from the book of Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18.
06:18God says, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee.
06:24And I will put my words in his mouth.
06:27And he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
06:30You ask any Jew, who is this I?
06:32He says, God.
06:33Ask any Christian, who is this I?
06:34He says, God.
06:35As it also appears to me that God is talking.
06:38Or in the book of Isaiah, God says, I, I am God and there is none else.
06:42I am God and there is none like me.
06:45You ask any Jew, who is talking?
06:46He says, God.
06:47Ask any Christian, who is talking?
06:48He says, God.
06:49And I have no hesitation in accepting it.
06:52That this is God's word.
06:53That is one type of evidence you will find in the Bible.
06:56Where we have no hesitation in accepting it.
06:58Then there is another type of evidence which I quote to you.
07:01Jesus says, but I say unto you, but I say unto you.
07:05Who is this I?
07:07Jesus.
07:07So we say, that is the word of the prophet.
07:09Prophet of God.
07:10Then there is another type of evidence.
07:13Where it reads in the New Testament.
07:15While he, Jesus, was going forth into the way.
07:19He saw a fig tree in the distance with leaves.
07:22Happily, he came up to it wanting to find and fix their own.
07:25But when he came, there was nothing but leaves.
07:28Whose words are they?
07:29Not God.
07:31Not Jesus.
07:32But an eyewitness or a ear witness.
07:34Or somebody speaking from hearsay.
07:36So I said, we in the house of Islam.
07:38We also have similar evidences in our religion.
07:41We have the Quran, the word of God.
07:46Then we have the books of Hadith, traditions.
07:48Sayings of the prophet.
07:49Separate volume.
07:51It's not to be mixed with this.
07:52Then we have the writings of our philosophers.
07:54Imam Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyyah and so on and so on.
07:58Again, not on the same level as the word of the prophet.
08:00Then we have also our Arabian knights.
08:05Which you know where they belong.
08:07See, the fairy tales among the Arabs.
08:09They spoke around the campfires of filthy, dirty, pornographic stories.
08:14So, there are different, different types of evidence.
08:17But we are the most fortunate of all religious groups.
08:19That our stories are all in separate compartments.
08:22And we do not equate the words of the prophet with the words of God.
08:25And we don't equate the words of a wise man with the words of the prophet.
08:28And of course, the Arabian knights, we know where they belong.
08:34So, unfortunately, the Christian and the Jews have not been able to separate their books.
08:39So, the word of God is in the book.
08:41The word of the prophet is in the book.
08:42The word of the historian is in the book.
08:45And many things besides.
08:46Which is very difficult for people to read to the mother or sister or daughter.
08:51Even to the girlfriend if she is a very straightforward person.
08:55So, this is how we evaluate.
08:57The book is available.
08:59There are 50 pence each.
09:01Any two for a pound.
09:03And if you feel that's too much, you write to me.
09:05I'll send you free from South Africa.
09:08But you know, don't be a beggar.
09:10That mentality.
09:11Don't have a beggar mentality.
09:12It says, man, you got a pence?
09:14Come, give me any two.
09:15Pick them up.
09:16And take them.
09:17And the Quran is also available.
09:182,000 pages for six pounds.
09:20Anybody who have access to this, they are available in the foyer.
09:24Right.
09:24Pleasure.
09:26Next question, please.
09:31Next question, please.
09:34Okay.
09:38Are you understand?
09:40Huh?
09:41Look, I had the guys playing tricks on me in Pakistan.
09:46And since then I have vowed.
09:48Did you understand my talk in English?
09:51Some.
09:52Some, no good.
09:53Then there's no sense in me wasting time.
09:55If you understood some, now I have to start re-explaining to you again.
09:58If you understood it, then you can ask the question in English.
10:00If you understood.
10:01If you didn't, it's just too bad.
10:03I'm sorry.
10:03You'll have to get the speech translated by somebody.
10:07No Urdu.
10:08Small question.
10:09No good.
10:10Small or big.
10:11If you understood my English, you have a right to ask me.
10:15If you didn't, please don't waste the people's time and my time.
10:19Thank you, brother.
10:20The lecture I understood.
10:21Never.
10:22Some of the lectures.
10:24In English, can you ask?
10:25In English.
10:26Can you ask the question in English?
10:27Of course.
10:28You're welcome.
10:28Go ahead.
10:29He was describing that between Islam, Judaism and Christianity, there's no difference in
10:37basic teachings.
10:38If there is no difference, then why Christians, they follow Islam or why Jews, they follow Islam?
10:49I mean, why don't they?
10:51Yes.
10:51The question that the brother has put in is that the speaker said throughout the evening
10:56that there was no fundamental difference in the teachings of Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
11:01If that is the case or that being the case, why doesn't all three religions then or why
11:08doesn't the Christians and Jews follow the teachings of Islam as prescribed in Islam?
11:18It's quite annoying.
11:19It's quite annoying.
11:19Quite annoying.
11:20You see, we are the children of our environment programming.
11:25In the fundamentals, as I proved to you, no difference.
11:29Moses said, one God.
11:30Jesus said, one God.
11:32Muhammad said, one God.
11:35Now, in the interpretations, people differ.
11:37You see, ask the Christian, how many gods are there?
11:40He'll tell you one God.
11:42What is this God like?
11:44Then he said, there are Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
11:47He believes in a triune God.
11:50Three in one.
11:51You say, did Jesus teach that?
11:53No.
11:54Where did you get it?
11:56You say, well, there is a verse in the Bible.
11:59First epistle of John, chapter five, verse seven, where it says,
12:02For there are three that bear record in heaven.
12:05The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost.
12:08And these three are one.
12:09That is the clearest statement on the Trinity in the Bible of the Roman Catholics and the Protestants.
12:17But if you take any modern translation done by the Christian scholars today, the Revised Version, the Revised Standard Version,
12:24the American Standard Version, the New World Translation.
12:27Every translation has thrown this verse out as a fabrication.
12:31But prejudices die hard.
12:33You see, once you accept, if the Christian accept that, look, this was, it is not there.
12:38Who took them out?
12:39Not the Muslims, not the Jews.
12:41The Christian scholars, 32 scholars of the highest eminence backed by 52 cooperating denominations in the Revised Version of the
12:49Bible.
12:50They said it's a fabrication and they threw out the verse on the Trinity.
12:54But the common man, the laity, the priest, they'll still keep on preaching it.
12:58Because if they say, yes, there is no such thing in the words of Jesus.
13:01And even in the Bible, there is no such statement.
13:03This is a concoction.
13:05Immediately they'll become Muslims.
13:06They'll lose their businesses.
13:08If you lose all your church-going members, what are you going to do with all your cathedrals?
13:12So the thing is prejudice, wasted interest, business, it's a thing that, you know, you hold on to your cows,
13:19your milking cows.
13:20Anybody, once you have your milking cows, you don't want to let it go.
13:23So this is the way of keeping the people in.
13:25But any reasonable person, go to your book, analyze it, and you'll find there is no such thing as the
13:30Trinity in the Bible.
13:32Okay?
13:34Thank you, brother.
13:35One question.
13:36And I think that was a good question in English, too.
13:39My question is concerning your statement that there is no difference between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
13:51The question is this.
13:53As you know, in Judaism, Moses, in the Torah, when he brought an offering before God, always a blood sacrifice,
14:01always a lamb.
14:03You know the story of Abraham.
14:04Then Jesus pointed out, also said, by the blood, there is only forgiveness.
14:12My question is, where is blood in its...
14:16Do Muslims believe that the blood atones?
14:19Or do they believe, as I have read so many times in the Quran myself, that they believe in words?
14:28We get the question.
14:29I'll just summarize it in the interest of liberty.
14:31The concept of blood in the Muslim society as opposed to good works and good deeds.
14:40Where is the concept of blood in Islam?
14:46You see the idea of blood.
14:48The Jews had two goats for your sins.
14:54One the scapegoat and one for sacrifice.
14:57One, they loaded the sin on the goat and left it in the wilderness to take away your sins.
15:01And the other for the expiation for your sins, slaughter.
15:06And this carried on to Jesus.
15:08And still, the thing is, the Christian continues.
15:12Though he doesn't sacrifice a sheep or a goat, he feels that Christ has fulfilled that.
15:17Right.
15:17But not the parable that Jesus gives.
15:20He doesn't say that.
15:22See, that you sacrifice an animal and he takes away your sins.
15:26He didn't say that in the parable.
15:27If you remember the parable of the prodigal son.
15:31Jesus spoke about the prodigal son.
15:33That a father had two sons.
15:39One of them chose at one stage, he said, look daddy, give me what belongs to me, my inheritance.
15:45And I want to fend for myself.
15:47So the father gives him whatever ought to belong to this son.
15:51Prodigal we call him now.
15:53So he goes out to a far off country.
15:55He squanders his wealth, what was given to him.
15:57And he falls into bad company in the gutter, drinking, adultery, whatever, filth and dirt.
16:02And in that condition, he realizes that he would have been better off with the father.
16:08So he returns back to the father.
16:12And the father sees him from afar.
16:16If you know the Bible.
16:17He sees him from a distance.
16:19And he runs towards the son.
16:22And he embraces his son.
16:23And he cries.
16:25He said, this my son was dead, is now alive.
16:28He was lost, is now found.
16:31And he tells the other brother.
16:33He said, sacrifice the fatted calf.
16:35As a celebration of the incoming of the prodigal.
16:40Now who is the father?
16:42And who are the sons?
16:43In the parable.
16:45The father is God.
16:47Ask any Christian learned man.
16:49Who is he talking about?
16:50Father is God.
16:51The sons are one like you, one like me.
16:54In other words, you are a good guy.
16:56Always prayerful and all that.
16:58The other guy has drifted off.
17:00And he chooses to come back.
17:02What does the father say?
17:03He doesn't say, you who is going at my worth.
17:06I want you to sleep with the pigs.
17:08And look after my pigs for seven years.
17:12Before I get you into the house.
17:14Father doesn't do that.
17:15The father is prepared to sacrifice his own.
17:20Not the sons.
17:21The punishment should go to the sons.
17:23So this is the law of God.
17:25That if you make a sincere repentance.
17:28You repent sincerely.
17:29You want to come back to God.
17:31God accepts you with open arms.
17:33He will not punish you.
17:35He needs no blood.
17:37Not the blood of a man or of a lamb.
17:41In the house of Islam, the Quran tells us.
17:43That neither the flesh nor the blood of the sacrificed animal reaches him.
17:49But it is your piety.
17:50What goes in to making the sacrifice?
17:54Your.
17:55So if I understand you say works is what?
17:58You don't know what?
17:58Now works also.
18:00Without spirit is a dead thing.
18:03You do the works.
18:04Let's say you pray 50 times a day.
18:06Your mind and soul is not there.
18:09You are wasting your time.
18:10You fast in the house of Islam.
18:12When you fast we don't eat and we don't drink from certain time to certain time.
18:15But at the same time the guy is backbiting.
18:17He is slandering.
18:18So the Holy Prophet Muhammad says you are wasting.
18:19You are only starving yourself.
18:21But isn't that a major difference?
18:22A big what?
18:23A major difference.
18:24Oh yes big difference.
18:25What are you doing?
18:27In other words now your heart and mind and soul must be in what you are doing.
18:31Without that just formality won't take you to heaven.
18:34Formality of sacrificing sheep, goat or cow that doesn't take anybody to heaven.
18:40Because the Quran says neither the blood nor the flesh of the sacrifice animal reaches him.
18:47But it is your piety.
18:49What is in you?
18:50Leviticus 17 and 11 says.
18:52For the blood I have given you upon a prayer for to make atonement for your soul.
18:56For the blood to make atonement for your soul.
18:59And I take it too much time.
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