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This edition of India First focusses on the protests in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir against the crackdown by the Pakistani army and Islamabad's diplomatic offensive to project itself as the inheritor of the Indus Valley Civilisation.
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00:01Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savan. There's big story breaking news
00:06coming in from Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir. Protest escalate across Pakistan-occupied Jammu
00:14and Kashmir after a massive crackdown by Pakistan army and security forces on various cities and
00:24towns. Thousands, thousands remain on the streets despite an internet ban and a crackdown by Pakistani
00:32army and security forces. And POK is not a part of Pakistan thunder protesters in Pakistan-occupied
00:42Jammu and Kashmir. You will hear them say so in as many words. Thousands of protesters, as you see
00:48in these images, they remain on the streets of Rawla court in POJK. They've declared POK is not part
00:55of Pakistan and they have come down heavily on Pakistan's army chief Asim Munir and the Pakistani
01:03army that has put restrictions on supply of food, medicines and other essential commodities in
01:11Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan army and security forces have imposed massive cuts
01:17in supply of food, vegetables, even milk and other essential supplies. The images that you see on
01:25your television screen, this rally marks a very sharp challenge to Islamabad's military control.
01:32Demonstrators are accusing authorities of neglect over decades, exploitation and now open repression.
01:40Thousands of demonstrators, they've actually gathered near the line of control to declare POK is not
01:47Pakistan. They warned both Islamabad and Rawalpindi that these continued restrictions on food supplies
01:55could actually push residents to seek other roads. A remark that is now widely being interpreted as
02:03signaling to India that if Pakistan blocks their food supplies, they're looking to India.
02:12The demonstration at Rawala court's Eidgarh ground marks one of the strongest challenges yet for Pakistan
02:19army and security forces. The protesters have accused the Pakistani government and army of decades of
02:26political neglect, economic exploitation and administrative repression. They're insisting that authorities are
02:34ensuring essential supplies cannot reach Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir so that this movement that's in its third week
02:43weakens. Now addressing thousands of protesters, the Joint Awami Action Committee, the JAAC leader,
02:51Sardar Aman Khan, he has delivered one of his strongest speeches yet against Rawalpindi and Islamabad,
02:57against the General Headquarters, declaring POK does not belong to Pakistan. POK is not part of Pakistan.
03:06We do not need Pakistan, rather it is Pakistan that needs POK or words to that effect. He's told the
03:13crowd
03:14and there was a thunderous applause. Referring to this sit-in near the line of control, protesters have been
03:21camping here since the 9th of June. Khan has accused the Pakistani administration of attempting to
03:28starve the movement. He's saying you're not giving us food, you're not giving us vegetables, you're not
03:35letting essential supplies or even medicines come here and if you think that you will beat this movement
03:41into submission, that clearly will not happen. He's compared the Pakistan army and you must hear this very
03:47careful. Khan has compared the Pakistan army to monkeys with a matchbox setting the forest on fire.
03:54Sardar Aman Khan says, someone once put a box of matches, a matchbox in the hands of a monkey and
04:03that
04:04monkey set the entire forest on fire. Likewise, someone has now put mobile phone and Twitter into the
04:11hands of those security forces that they've cut them off. They say that Kashmiri should first prove
04:19their loyalty to Pakistan. He says, no, Kashmir will not prove its loyalty to Pakistan because Kashmir or Pakistan
04:26occupied Jammu and Kashmir is not part of Pakistan. Remember this Kashmir is not the property of Pakistan.
04:32He says, listen in, I'll get you more.
05:05He says, no, Kashmir could have heard. He said, no, Kashmir could have a two-star
05:18government. There have been no us. You may not have a one-see.
05:24He said, no, Kashmir could have another one-see. And the, he said, he was a person that
05:29the person who was not interested in it is. And the, he said, it was an ask for the
05:32mandate or comes. If someone knows, it is not the man who is. And the, he said, no, he says,
05:32is
06:15There is a group of people on the left.
06:31This is how Pakistan has been ill-treating the people of Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir,
06:37including the northern areas of Gilgit and Baltistan, which is a part of POJK.
06:43No food, no education, no health care, no question of higher education
06:50when they don't even have basic schools and no jobs.
06:54What is worse, people from Pakistan's Punjab province have come and occupied large tracts of land
07:02and people of Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir, they are now being denied even their basic electoral rights.
07:08Since the 9th of June, people have been on the streets.
07:11There's been a massacre. That massacre is not being reported because several bodies are still missing
07:18and people in POJK say that they are Kashmiris from POJK.
07:24They're not like the Pakistani Punjabis when more than 100 were killed, that nothing could happen.
07:30Tehrik and Labbeh, Kader were killed and their bodies were thrown in the river.
07:33They did not rise. They're not like Baluchis.
07:36They're not even like Pashtuns who've seen multiple massacres.
07:39They said if anybody is missing, they will rise and rise to overthrow the Pakistani army.
07:45Listen in once again to the anger in the voice of leaders of Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmiris.
08:32That's a clear signal.
08:33That's a clear signal.
08:50All is clearly not well in POJK or even across Pakistan.
08:55So there is unrest in POJK.
08:57There's a freedom struggle that's on in Baluchistan.
08:59There are firefights in Khaibar Pakhtun Khoa between security forces and the Pashtuns that are escalating.
09:06But in Islamabad and in Rawalpindi, there is something very unusual that's happening.
09:12Pakistan that actually traced its origins to Mohammed bin Khasim's invasion in 712 AD, in 712 AD,
09:22and called the Arab general, the first citizen of Pakistan, is suddenly calling itself the Indus Water Civilization,
09:30not the Indus Valley Civilization.
09:32You will hear Attaullah Tarar, Pakistan's Information Minister, who says Pakistan is Indus Water Civilization,
09:39tracing its origin to the 5,000-year-old Sindhu Saraswati Civilization.
09:44Pakistan's textbooks, they've so far largely been silent on the pre-Islamic Sanatan roots.
09:52In fact, Pakistan marks the Yawmei Babal Islam,
09:56celebrating the Arab Umayyad general's conquest of Sindh in 712 Common Era.
10:02Pakistan calls the Hindu rule of Raja Dahir 712.
10:07Raja Dahir, a Brahmin ruler, was ruling Sindh.
10:11They claim the Hindu rule before 712 was actually the dark era, before the Islamic invasion.
10:20In fact, former Pakistan Prime Minister and the current chairman of the Senate of Pakistan,
10:24Yusuf Razak Gilani, he said that his greatest honor lies in the fact that he's a descendant
10:31of the Holy Prophet and Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Khadir Gilani.
10:36So, Pakistan traces its origins one day to the Arabs, one day to the Turks, one day perhaps to Persians.
10:48And now suddenly, they say that they are descendants of the Sindhu or the Indus Valley or Indus Water Civilization.
10:55But listen in to Yusuf Razak Gilani, I'll get you more on the story.
11:00As the descendant of the Holy Prophet and the descendant of Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Khadir Gilani on Spark,
11:11I would prefer that I pride uswainu.
11:14MashaAllah, that is clear.
11:16Clear.
11:16This is the ultimate truth.
11:17200%.
11:20So, they call themselves descendants of Arabs at times, Persians at times, Turks at times.
11:28But suddenly, after the Indus Water Treaty was held in abeyance, after that Pahlgaam terror attack,
11:32Pakistan is trying to trace its roots back to the Indus Valley Civilization.
11:36So, the country that glorifies Mohammed bin Qasim as the young conqueror of Sindh,
11:42calling Pakistan Bab al-Islam or the gateway of Islam,
11:46the country that eulogizes terrorists like Hafiz Mohammed Saeed and that maulana of terror Masood Azhar
11:53as Ghazis or freedom fighters in the name of Islam, fighting for Islam,
11:59is suddenly remembering Acharya Chanakya.
12:03It's remembering the Takshashila University.
12:06It's releasing stamps in the name of Acharya Panini,
12:09the greatest scholar of Sanskrit and the author of Ashtadyaye.
12:16The foundational grammar of Sanskrit consisting of perhaps 4,000 plus very concise rules of grammar of the Sanskrit language.
12:25Suddenly, Pakistan remembers all of that.
12:28So, one day when Pakistanis say they are Arabs,
12:30another day when they say they are Turkish,
12:33you know, after watching that series Arthogrul,
12:36when they say we are of Turkish descent,
12:38then they draw their lineage from Persia on one day.
12:41It's a miracle that that insecurity and that massive identity crisis that Pakistan has,
12:47they haven't claimed that their ancestors,
12:49because they are now taking money from China and America,
12:52one day they'll say that their ancestors are Chinese and American.
12:55But is there a bigger game at play here?
12:57A wider strategy post-Operation Sindur and the Indus Waters Treaty being held in abeyance.
13:02Take for example, Pakistan has organized an international conference on Buddhist heritage of Pakistan.
13:09This was held in May 2026.
13:11The focus was on the Gandhara legacy,
13:14new excavations carried out in Pakistan,
13:16multidisciplinary research and global transmission of Buddhism from Pakistan.
13:21This is a country where minorities are routinely targeted
13:25and very recently, a 125-year-old Gurdwara was destroyed.
13:30Just last week, a Gurdwara was destroyed.
13:32India, in fact, has officially launched a protest.
13:34It's launched a protest with Pakistan.
13:37But Pakistan has mounted a diplomatic offensive
13:41to say that it is the custodian or the inheritor of the Indus Valley civilization.
13:46Take for example, the visit of Australian High Commissioner to Pakistan,
13:50Timothy Kane, who visited Takshashila and praised it as part of Pakistan's rich heritage
13:57or the UK Cultural Protection Fund that announced support for conservation efforts of Takshashila.
14:05The fact is, there was no Pakistan before August 1947.
14:09It was a part of undivided India.
14:11But this tiny, moth-eaten country now claims that it's a part of a 5,000-year-old civilization.
14:21The Sindhu Saraswati Sambheta.
14:24The Sindhu Saraswati civilization.
14:26Does Pakistan actually recognize Maa Saraswati as the goddess of knowledge?
14:32Clearly, no.
14:33Given their collective IQ.
14:35If they recognize Maa Saraswati, their IQ wouldn't be so low.
14:39In April 2026, the Sindh Directorate General of Antiquities and Archaeology
14:44announced a new radiocarbon dating mechanism where they said that
14:49they are the original custodians of Mohan Jodado.
14:53And they've been there as if Pakistan has been there since 2700 BC.
15:00This sudden love for pre-Islamic history and especially after Operation Sindhur.
15:05One wonders if there's another Operation Sindhur, another round two of Operation Sindhur,
15:10would Pakistan also end up chanting Jai Shri Ram?
15:13Take a look at this report.
15:16We are not merely discussing a treaty.
15:19We are discussing the lifeline of more than 240 million people of Pakistan.
15:24When we identify ourselves as Pakistanis, we ask a question as to who we are.
15:30And if you go back into history, the Indus water civilization defines us as a people.
15:35Whenever I go abroad, I often tell my counterparts that we are the people of the Indus Valley civilization.
15:41Our identification is that we are people based on the banks and tribute deeds of the Maitri River Indus.
15:47And as they say, water is life.
15:50And Indus has given life to Pakistan.
15:53So when we say that Indus is our lifeline and our people,
15:58the 240 million people of Pakistan have an inalienable right to the water of Indus.
16:03A rich history in ancient civilization, which they are proud of and promoting sex culture,
16:09not only domestically, but on the international stage.
16:12Pakistan also has a rich history.
16:18We also draw our links to ancient civilizations.
16:21The Indus Valley civilization is based on Pakistan.
16:25And it is where I am from is where the Mahinja Tarot is.
16:30So is this a change of heart or a desperate effort to be taken seriously and distance itself
16:35from the image of being a state sponsor of radical Islamist terror?
16:38How should India view the role of countries like Australia and the United Kingdom
16:42in peddling this narrative?
16:44Are there other games at play here?
16:47Joining me on India first, Javed Badar is former media coordinator
16:50for Imran Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
16:54Lieutenant General KJS Dhillon.
16:56General Tiny Dhillon is former director general of India.
16:59He also was the GOC of the Kashmir Corps.
17:07Sushant Sarin is senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation.
17:10Javed Badar, we knew Pakistan had a political crisis.
17:15We knew Pakistan had a security crisis and an economic crisis.
17:19But this is the identity crisis.
17:22How did Pakistan go?
17:24Now, Pakistan said that in 712 EC, when Muhammad bin Qasim came to Pakistan,
17:32Where did you go?
17:34Sarswati Sabhita, what are you talking about?
17:38What are you talking about?
17:40I don't know.
17:42I don't know.
17:43I don't know.
17:44I don't know.
17:47The wrong thing is, the issue is that our history is that it would be 75-76 years old.
17:51PAKISTAN की हमारा जो वजूद है वो हिंदुस्तान से निकल के बनाया है इसमें कोई दो राया नहीं है तो
17:58जो चीजे पुरानी है वो अब हमने
17:59ADOPT कर ली है जो अबादियस सिंद्ध के लोग हैं वो मुसल्मान हो चुके हैं कई सो साल पहले जब
18:05से
18:07हिंदुस्तान में आये महमद बिन कासम आया तो उसके बाद काफी पॉपुलेशन मुसल्मान होगी और आप पर 90% मुसल्मान
18:13है तो अब वो
18:15ADOPT हमारे इसे में आ गया है हमने ADOPT कर ली है पार्टिशन के बाद तो वसलिए वह हमारा इस
18:20है अब हमारी वह
18:21लेकसी है तो आप इसको आप प्रोपर गंडा बनाए कि जी आप ये का इस तरह तो फिर हम चले
18:26जाएंगे नौर्थ में जा पूर्त गालियों की उलादे
18:28रह रही है नौर्थ इंडिया में अरभियों की उलादे रह रह रही है मुगलों की उलादे है तो इस तरह
18:34तो ये चीज़ें बड़ी गड़बड़ होती है कि जिसरा आप कह रहे हैं बोर्ग सब्सक्राइब
18:38नेकिन ये एक आएक इतना प्यार कीऊ आ गया ये इतिहास का भाग है और ये बात तो हम लोग
18:45सदीयों से जानते हैं
18:47But Pakistan, just as you have said, the existence of your life in 1947,
18:51this is one-on-one love.
18:53So, your whole two-nation theory goes into it.
18:57But let me bring in Sushant Sarin for a moment.
18:59Sushant Sarin, for nearly eight decades,
19:02Pakistan built its entire identity around the two-nation theory.
19:05Mohammed bin Qasim and its Islamic past.
19:08Today, they are celebrating Harappa in Mohanjudadu, Takshashila and Panini.
19:13Is this the result of Induswaters Treaty being held in abeyance, sir?
19:19No, Gaurav, even if it is the result of the Induswaters Treaty being held in abeyance
19:25and the Pakistanis being absolutely disingenuous,
19:28you know, I welcome it that they are rediscovering the roots of their civilization.
19:34But these are guys who have always lived in denial about the civilizational ethos from where they've come.
19:41These are people, if you ask any Pakistani, he'll say he is the descendant of Arabs or Iranians or Turks
19:48or somebody else.
19:49They don't even admit that they are people from this soil and their fathers or grandfathers or great-grandfathers converted
19:57simply because they did not have the courage and the fortitude to stand up to the oppression of the foreigners
20:04who had invaded this land.
20:06The people whom they now consider to be their baap were the people who raped and pillaged this land and
20:12forcibly converted these people.
20:14But on that, on that, they will be in denial because that is very embarrassing.
20:19And then, on top of that, if they're talking about a civilizational ethos, what part of that civilizational ethos do
20:26they represent now?
20:27None whatsoever.
20:28They consider the civilizational ethos do they represent.
20:30Before I bring in the channel Tiny Dilan, Javed Badar Saab,
20:34Of course, I'll press my impционers to the Arab side of外landin,
20:43of course, that's a very effective reason that we have as Attra is found in Balkan government.
20:55we are
20:57there
20:58we are
20:58people
21:00and
21:01we are
21:02you
21:03don't
21:06we are
21:08simple
21:10thing
21:11this
21:11is
21:12our
21:16race
21:17basically
21:18who
21:41how do you explain this
21:48in 1947 we are standing and standing and standing in our own country
21:55do you mean that you were Hindu?
22:01we will not be sure, we will not be sure
22:04we will not be sure
22:18how do you view this
22:19this is impossible
22:20that Hindustan has never waited
22:23will be the same
22:24this is a fact
22:27this is a fact
22:29this whole of world
22:32human beings
22:33are fighting
22:35Here we were the big chhaterpati shivaji maharaj who had given us the blood of Aurangzeb.
22:41Here we were the maharaja Ranjit Singh, Guru Gobind Singh, Guru Tegh Bahadur.
22:47General Tiny Dilan, India is a race of warriors that always fought the Islamic invaders.
22:54It's a good thing, it's a good thing.
22:58It's a good thing.
23:01It's a good thing.
23:02It's a good thing, it's a good thing.
23:05Hindustani have never been given their parents.
23:08They have never changed in three years.
23:10They have never changed in Pakistan.
23:12They have never changed in Arab, they have never changed in Faris.
23:15General Tiny Dilan, how do you explain this sudden movement in Pakistan?
23:29Good evening Gaurav and good evening to Mr. Sareen and Badr Sahib and all your viewers.
23:35We don't have to go back long into the history, we have to go back into the recent history.
23:41As Badr Sahib was saying, yes they came into existence, Pakistan came into existence in 1947.
23:46And Islam in this part of the world came into existence once the invaders came here.
23:51And he's very right.
23:53They are all convertees.
23:54They are all convertees, forceful convertees who could not withstand the might of the invaders.
23:58And that's a fact of history in which I think gentleman is very graciously accepting that fact.
24:04Now why sudden change of heart?
24:07You know Pakistanis used to very proudly say we are Turks, we are Alps, we have this lineage, we have
24:12that lineage.
24:13And they used to very proudly declare their DNA, being Arab and all that.
24:17And now suddenly it has changed.
24:19This whole thing started with General Ziaul Haqq.
24:23When he overthrew Bhutto and hanged him.
24:26And then the Islamization and the radicalization of the society in Pakistan started.
24:30And that is when these Islamic warriors like Ghazis and all,
24:33they started becoming prominent in their history books, in their curriculum, in their textbooks.
24:39They concocted the history.
24:41They concocted history then, but why are they now revisiting that history
24:46and releasing stamps, for example, in the name of Panini, or recognizing Acharya Chanakya,
24:52or talking about Takshashila, Vishwa Vidyalay, you know, university now?
24:57Absolutely, absolutely. That's what I am coming to.
24:59Now they want to delink themselves from the invaders.
25:03Because that part of the world is now coming under a lot of stress
25:07and they want to tell themselves we are children of hinders.
25:10Because when the water treaty being held in abeyance,
25:13now they want to claim something which is not theirs.
25:16The history is not there. The civilization is not there.
25:19Because they let go of that civilization.
25:23They change their religion and then they change their alliance and allegiance to someone else.
25:29And now they are using all types of things.
25:33They are in a search of identity.
25:35This nation is in search of identity.
25:38They don't have a national identity of their own.
25:41So there is a massive identity crisis, you say, in Pakistan.
25:45There is a massive identity crisis.
25:4675 to 80 years is hardly a time period.
25:4980 years is hardly a time period in the history of a civilization or a race or a community or
25:54a religion or a country.
25:55So they are in search of an identity, Pakistani identity, which they do not have.
26:01So now they are trying to reclaim what they had willingly given away under duress, under threat.
26:08But is this also happening under duress?
26:11Is this also happening under duress, Sushant Sareen?
26:14How do you see the role of the Australian High Commissioner, for example, or the British Foreign Office?
26:20Is that just a harmless visit to Takshashila or an open ignorance on display?
26:26Or are there deeper games at play here?
26:29Look, as far as the Australians are concerned, maybe it was pure ignorance.
26:33The guy went to Takshila University, 2000 years old, was probably swept away by, you know, what he saw.
26:41Although they maintained it terribly.
26:43I've been there.
26:44I've seen it.
26:45They maintained it very badly.
26:47But they are trying to reclaim some of those things.
26:50And the reason why...
26:50So one is the Aussies.
26:52So I'll keep the Aussies aside.
26:54I'm more concerned about the British telling them that they should reclaim their heritage.
26:59Because when the British try and do these kind of things, we've seen for 300 years the kind of sneaky
27:05games that the British have played.
27:07So anything which comes from the British, I'm always very suspicious of.
27:11But having said that, I think what the Brits are trying to do is trying to convince the Pakistanis that,
27:16listen, you guys need an image makeover.
27:18And one way of doing an image makeover is, and to shed this tag that you are jihadists and you
27:24are radicalized Islamists and, you know, this is the first Islamic State in modern era.
27:30And the word Islamic State I used advisedly, it is almost like Daesh for the minorities of Pakistan.
27:38And incidentally, when Mr. Badr defends the Hindu heritage of Pakistan, look at the way these characters treat the Hindus
27:45in their country.
27:46They rape their daughters, pick them up, they browbeat them, they have exterminated the Hindus and the Sikhs from their
27:53land.
27:54So these guys, when they are now trying to take over the Hindu heritage, the reason, and this is I
27:59think what the Brits have advised them, that why do you let the Indians get away with it?
28:03The Indians are claiming this heritage, the Hindus are claiming this heritage, but some of this heritage belongs to the
28:11land which is now Pakistan.
28:12Why do you let the Indians monopolize all the great things which the Hindu civilization achieved?
28:18You should also have some stake in that, which is what they are trying to do.
28:23Okay.
28:24Allow me a sense.
28:25What is going to happen is that these guys will try this and then the mullahs will come frothing at
28:31their mouth and shut these guys down.
28:34So just wait for it.
28:35Right now it's the fringes.
28:36The moment they try and mainstream it, the mullahs will pay for their blood.
28:40And most of these guys, like they change their religion, they will not have the courage to continue on this
28:45path.
28:45Okay, Jovet Badar Sahab, their AKI sind die from the Indian Das Vali civilizationения,
28:53engageMAN does Pakistan know what about it?
28:56If I ask you if I want to?
29:00Whattim by you about the Legendary of China?
29:04I wonder about it.
29:05I don't know about it.
29:06In especially just the Scandinavian색's Jewish space that was from the Hindu.
29:08foreign
29:38this is not true
29:39this is your story
29:40this is your story
29:40you have to do 4 book
29:46four books
29:46and you will find 4 books
29:48that are the people of Purtagalli
29:51in 1960
29:54we have left them
29:56and we have left them
29:58we have left them
30:00this is
30:01this is
30:28This is Sanatan Dharam, Buddhism,
30:32jainism and sikhi those are religions of this land sir well absolutely those are the religions of
30:41this land and this land has given shelter protection to every other religion which was
30:46being you know acted against in their own places it may be a parsi religion it may be jews who
30:52came
30:52here we gave shelter and we gave protection to each and every religion who came to this land
30:58this land is so pious and now coming to a point which mr. brother made that dharm
31:03ka ryaasat ka dharm se koji lehna dhena nahi hai agar ryaasat ka dharm se koji lehna dhena nahi hai
31:08to kya brother sahab ye maantay hai kya two nation theory woh gulth thi kya pakistan ka joh wajud
31:13hai two nation theory us kya koji lehna dhena nahi nahi hai dharm se ho toh payadai dharm ke naam
31:18phe huwa tha toh ye hr thhoďe dhinow mein apne statement ko change karna apne wajud ke base ko change
31:26karna merkel sa jihe shahit batae jahada is kyao per charche honi chahi hai bilkul honi chahi hai
31:32us wakt two nation theory to thuri zororat thi woh woh nazariya nazariya us wakt zororhi tha woh
31:39us wakt ki baat hai hai matlab jinnah ke sami kya asib unir ke sami ki baat thi kya asib
31:46unir nebhi
31:47kya tagywa ta toon nation theory ham alaghe woh alaghe you like that so badr sahab ke
32:06but
32:07it's
32:08okay
32:16but
32:20it's
32:21okay
32:24yeah
32:25yeah
32:26yeah
32:27yeah
32:27yeah
32:28Sushant Sarin very recently, so many Shias were massacred in Pakistan.
32:38The truth is, Sushant Sarin, it's the silence of the grave.
32:49The truth is, it's the silence of the grave, it's the silence of the grave, it's the silence of minorities
32:52in Pakistan.
32:54Sushant Sarin.
32:55Yeah, sir, listen, you asked Mr. Badar, and obviously he'll dissemble, but ask him, how many minorities have left India
33:03and made, you know, sought refuge anywhere else?
33:07How many? Hardly any, right? In fact, virtually nobody.
33:11No, they're illegally, they're illegally, they're illegally, they're illegally, they're illegally, they're illegally, they're illegally, and how many minorities have
33:21left Pakistan and run away?
33:23And Pakistan se zinda bhaag ki hai, minorities ne.
33:26One. Secondly, when Mr. Badar talks about ka Pakistan does not have Sharia law, I fear for his safety.
33:35Because the Pakistanis claim they have Sharia law, and by saying that Pakistan does not have Sharia law, he is
33:41inviting the mullahs to pay for the blood of the rulers of Pakistan.
33:44But incidentally, just today, or just yesterday, the news came, that the Pakistanis are now going to, following Sharia, they
33:51are going to change their entire banking system, and prohibit interest being charged, because they want to become Sharia compliant.
33:59And Mr. Badar is sitting out here and telling us that this is not Sharia compliant, the state is not
34:04Sharia compliant, their criminal laws are Sharia compliant.
34:08Sir, our country is still in British law, and our country is still in British law.
34:13No sir, you're going to be a Sharia law in Britain, you're going to be a Sharia law.
34:17You're going to be an ulty ganga bahari, but that's a debate for another time.
34:35Sir, we listened to Aasip Munir's two nation theory, and there is no change in Pakistan's mindset, General Dhillon, the
34:44last 30 seconds I have on this part of the show,
34:45or you haven't listened to Aasip Munir's talk, or you haven't listened to Aasip Munir's talk, or you haven't listened
34:50to Aasip Munir's talk, or you don't know about Ziyahul Hak.
34:52That's one thought process from Jinnah, even though Jinnah incidentally ate pork, drank, wine, you know, it's the same mindset
35:01that's percolating from Jinnah to Ziyah to Aasip Munir's talk.
35:09Aasip Munir's talk comes to Aasip Munir's talk, you will love Aasip Munir's talk.
35:16Okay, Gaurav, Gaurav, six days before Pahlgaam,
35:24Gaurav, six days prior to Pahlgaam terror attack by Pakistan,
35:28there, then Chief of Staff, Chief of Army Staff, and now Field Marshal, and whatever he is calling himself,
35:34he had very clearly said,
35:37Badar-sahabh nai bola ki two-nation theory ki,
35:391947 mein jinnah thi,
35:40six days before,
35:42by surprise,
35:43two-huzhar pachchis se chye dhan pehle,
35:46he had clearly bola ki, we are two-nation theory, we believe in it,
35:49hum alag hain,
35:50hindu alag hain,
35:51musulman alag hain,
35:52we can't stay together.
35:53And he said, Kashmir is a juggler win.
35:56He said, as recently as on 16th of April, if my dates are correct, of 2025.
36:01No, sir, you are absolutely right.
36:03It is convenient for Pakistan now to change their stamp,
36:07because they want to be seen as modern people.
36:09Because of Induswaters treaty being held in abeyance,
36:11Sushant Sareen, the last 30 seconds I have on this part of the show,
36:14Sushant Sareen, madabh, if there is an Operation Sindur,
36:17and an Induswaters treaty is held in abeyance,
36:19itna bada change in Pakistan mein aagya,
36:22if there is a round two,
36:23we will probably hear chants of Jai Shri Ram across Pakistan.
36:28I was reading somewhere that somebody was saying that
36:31they will now claim copyright on the Mahabharat as well,
36:35because a part of Mahabharat happened in the land
36:38which is now Pakistan today.
36:40But having said that,
36:41I think as far as the Pakistanis are concerned,
36:43from wherever they get two paisa,
36:46they will make that person their baab.
36:48So, once America was their father,
36:51then the Arabs became their father.
36:52Nowadays, the Turks give them some money and some assistance.
36:55So, the Turks, they look forward to the Turks.
36:58Tomorrow, if they get something from the Central Asians,
37:01they will claim Central Asian lineage.
37:03I am really surprised that they haven't claimed American lineage,
37:06simply because these guys are not whites
37:09and the Americans are whites.
37:10Otherwise, the Americans are also our fathers.
37:12From wherever they get two paisa,
37:14from wherever they can make a profit,
37:16that is what they will assume as their heritage.
37:20Fair enough.
37:21We will watch that story very closely.
37:23I want to thank all my guests,
37:25because I have to quickly move to this other big story
37:28that we are tracking here on India today,
37:30and that is the visit of the Prime Minister of Japan.
37:34Japanese Prime Minister Sanai Takeyaichi is in India,
37:37and the visit brought India and Japan partnership to a new high.
37:41So, at the 16th India-Japan annual summit in Delhi,
37:45Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Japanese Prime Minister
37:48shared a light-hearted moment after Takeyaichi revealed
37:51that the Prime Minister called her his beautiful younger sister,
37:56saying that the two had agreed to take this partnership
37:59and this relationship forward, not just as countries,
38:03but as brother and sister.
38:05Beyond the optics, the summit delivered a packed agenda
38:09and five major takeaways.
38:11First, both leaders reaffirmed their commitment
38:13to strengthening India-Japan's special strategic and global partnership,
38:17and they've identified defence and security cooperation,
38:20economic resilience, technology, innovation,
38:22people-to-people ties as the pillars of future cooperation.
38:26Defence ties, huge boost.
38:28Both two leaders agreed to expand maritime exercises,
38:31maritime domain awareness, defence cooperation,
38:35collaboration, military cooperation,
38:37economic security, technology took centre stage.
38:40India and Japan adopted a joint declaration
38:42of economic security cooperation,
38:44and they're focusing on semiconductors,
38:46critical minerals, resilient supply chains,
38:48clean energy and pharmaceuticals.
38:50Both leaders doubled down on clean energy and infrastructure.
38:53Japan reaffirmed its commitment to the Mumbai-Embabad bullet train,
38:57the Shinkansen project,
38:59and expressed readiness to support future high-speed rail corridors.
39:03Cooperation on hydrogen, ammonia, biogas,
39:05strategic petroleum reserves also featured prominently,
39:08and 1,000 biogas plants will be established in India
39:12as part of this cooperation.
39:13The two leaders also projected a united strategic vision
39:16for Indo-Pacific.
39:17Their voice concerns over South China Sea,
39:20North Korea's missile programme in cross-border terrorism,
39:23while backing Quad cooperation,
39:25and, of course, India getting a place in the United Nations Security Council.
39:30Actually, both India and Japan are summit
39:32that combine personal chemistry, concrete commitments,
39:35and, of course, underlined India and Japan
39:38see each other as indispensable partners
39:41in an increasing, uncertain world.
39:44I want to quickly bring into this conversation
39:45Ambassador Aftab Seth, former Indian ambassador to Japan.
39:49Ambassador, welcome.
39:51The two strong nationalist leaders and close engagement that we saw.
39:57We saw the optics, we've seen the takeaways.
40:00Sir, you know, the picture of the Japanese Prime Minister
40:03trying her hand at the santur.
40:05What, according to you, beyond optics is the biggest takeaway?
40:09Well, may I just go back a bit?
40:13Of course, sir.
40:14Because we tend to always see visits and achievements
40:19in a very narrow perspective.
40:22But we must, in understanding Japan-India relations,
40:26go back at least 20 years to the time of Prime Minister Modi.
40:32By the way, Takahichi, Prime Minister Takahichi belongs to the same faction
40:36as Prime Minister Modi, Prime Minister Koizumi, and Prime Minister Abe.
40:40All three of whom have had a vital role in building up the relationship
40:47which we see today as I speak to you now.
40:50It was done by Vajpayee, Prime Minister Vajpayee and Prime Minister Modi in August 2000.
40:56And Prime Minister Manmohan Singh built on that, on the global partnership between India and Japan.
41:02And the strategic partnership actually merged between Manmohan Singh and Shinzo Abe in December 2006.
41:10And the defence cooperation that we are seeing today, particularly the maritime cooperation,
41:17actually began in Vajpayee and Modi's time.
41:20The coast guards and joint exercises began in a very tentative way, but they began then.
41:27And after that, in August 2000, you may recall that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe came to the Indian Parliament,
41:36first Prime Minister to speak to our Parliament.
41:38And he gave a very important speech called the Confluence of the Two Seas.
41:43So, the Indo-Pacific, which Prime Minister Modi and Takaichi talk about now,
41:49was actually born on the floor of the Indian Parliament,
41:53when Prime Minister Shinzo Abe spoke in the time of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
41:59And sir, from that tentative time of the coast guard exercises to the defence cooperation now,
42:06when they're talking about radars and conversations around building the Mogami class, you know, frigates.
42:13How has that cooperation, you know, isn't that taking it all together to a new level,
42:17making warships, talking about making warships together, and of course, making ships together.
42:23And missiles, I think there is some agreement on missiles.
42:27On radars and missiles. Yes, sir.
42:29That's important.
42:30But you know, this began in such an important way in the early part of the century.
42:36And our first army chief to come to Japan was Padmanabhan.
42:42The first Japanese Air Force chief came to India in 2003.
42:48And it was Indian troops in Indian Air Force planes that were allowed for the first time since 1945,
42:56the first non-American military plane to land in Japan, taking our troops for joint U.S.-India snow warfare exercises.
43:08So the Japanese have been building up on this very special relationship over the last 20 years.
43:16And of course, don't forget the Malabar exercises, which were American-Japanese, included us from 2015-16.
43:26And these have been an annual exercise.
43:29So today what we...
43:30And when it comes to mobility, you know, from the metro train to the bullet train,
43:35from bridges to infrastructure investment.
43:38Sir, on this current visit, the new agreements on economic security, for example, or resilient supply chain,
43:44how will that be implemented and how will that reduce dependence, say, for example, on China,
43:50for critical mineral, for semiconductors, for pharmaceuticals?
43:53Yes.
43:54Don't forget, Gaurav, that Japan herself 10 years ago suffered when over the dispute over the Takeshima Islands,
44:03you may recall between China and Japan.
44:06And China cut off supplies of critical rare earths, which really put the Japanese into a great deal of difficulty.
44:15That is why in our present talks, rare earths and minerals forms a very important part of the conversation.
44:23And the other important part, if I may underline, is the human angle.
44:30Now, you know, we have got...
44:32There's a great deal of admiration in India, you may have seen, for Japanese culture, popular culture.
44:39You know, manga and matcha, by the way, in America is extremely popular.
44:44And Japanese popular culture is very popular in various countries and especially amongst the young people in India.
44:52But what we really need to build on and has been growing steadily is cooperation at the university level.
45:01Don't forget that the IIT Hyderabad has been built with Japanese cooperation.
45:08Five of the top Japanese universities, including my alma mater, Keio, Wasida, Tokyo, Ritsumeikan, and one other,
45:17they have jointly worked with us over the last 10 years.
45:21I was personally involved in that when I was with the Keio University after I stopped being ambassador.
45:29And this is a very important contribution to us.
45:34As is the Shinkansen, you know, the bullet train.
45:37The bullet train.
45:38Yes.
45:38I was reporting in Tokyo in 2014, you know, when that first conversation happened on the Shinkansen.
45:44Yes.
45:45And that journey from Kyoto to Tokyo.
45:47But the last 30 seconds I have on this part of the show, sir.
45:49You know, AI, semiconductor, critical and emerging technologies.
45:53Will that initiative be able to deliver tangible outcomes?
45:57You know, like joint university you spoke of.
45:59But, you know, joint R&D, supply chain partnership.
46:02And how quickly do you see that happen on the ground, sir?
46:05I think that might be a very important thing for us because the whole cooperation began with IT
46:12during Modi and Vajpayee's time.
46:15And thousands of our Indian people went to Japan and are still in Japan working on IT.
46:20There's a great worry that AI might put a lot of these young boys and girls out of business.
46:27So it's very important that we, that is Japan and India, work together to make sure that AI doesn't completely
46:36subsume
46:37and obliterate all the great work and expertise that has been built in the realm of information technology.
46:45So there is increased automation indeed.
46:48But, you know, a lot of human intervention when it comes to supervision.
46:52Ambassador Aftab Seth for joining me here on this India Today special broadcast.
46:56Benny, thanks.
46:57Thank you very much.
47:02Thank you very much.
47:02I'll get to your time.
47:02LONG TERM
47:03An emergency from Allan Lee
47:03Long term and short term, to your record, after EV policies implemented,
47:08we take 27 code, January.
47:11How much of pollution will come down?
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47:27a problem with this EV policy.
47:44I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
48:00I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
48:54I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
49:00I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
49:07I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
49:47I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
50:00I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
50:07I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
50:55It is not a problem with this EV policy.
51:20I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
51:33I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
51:40I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
51:59I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
52:16I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
52:45I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
52:54I will say that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
53:15I will say that it is not an enemy attack.
53:20I will say that you think that it is not a problem with this EV policy.
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