00:18I have always had a hard time answering this question because it's kind of just
00:22like it's like you have a sense of when a conversation is naturally over you're
00:25talking to somebody and everyone kind of just goes like well like it's kind of
00:29like that like I just like you sense when it's come to the natural end and I think
00:33a lot of being artists is just kind of sensing things you start to get
00:36diminishing returns working on music at first every change is making a big
00:41difference and then the longer you go on each change starts to make a smaller
00:44and smaller difference so it's just you have to I'm a little insane about it but
00:48yeah yeah I do rate Charlie yeah and like he said about the same topic that you
00:57still have to leave room to let God in oh I saw that clip yeah or was it a
01:04video or was it I don't know if I think about like leaving room for God with the
01:11music necessarily I think I really feel the song in a lot like especially on
01:15nurture a lot of my songs are really noisy there's a lot of little random random
01:20sounds and stuff like that so yeah yeah exactly that sort of thing like trying to
01:25feel alive like there's no room for anything there it's just like a bunch of
01:28noises um so I don't know if I share that but I do rate Charlie Poof yeah
01:40it was the last one I finished for nurture and like the whole idea of
01:44nurture was what if I can't make music anymore it was based in this fear and
01:48then I'd made the entire rest of the album I just needed one last song so with
01:52trying to feel alive I was able to kind of contemplate like okay you did it like
01:56you made an album now now what um and so I had to kind of reckon with what had
02:02changed in my life I guess
02:10me and Fantano have only really talked two or three times I'm yeah I'm really
02:15happy that he rocks with what I do though I mean I feel like the moment that we
02:18broke the ice was when I put the visuals of his world's live review in nurture I
02:24think he just thought that was funny yeah the strong five right I think he
02:27thought that was funny like I remember when he he wanted to interview me for
02:30nurture but he didn't tell me what the score of the album was yet so I was like
02:34what if like I'm walking into this crazy situation where he gave nurture like a
02:39three and I'm gonna have to sit there and talk to him but he kind of he put my
02:43fears that he's like don't worry like you know this I really liked the album and
02:48yeah I'm really stoked that he rates nurture too and I think he was a little
02:52ahead of the curve too because I feel like nurture has become sort of a record
02:56for people who are into albums like album fans like I feel like have yeah the
03:02kind of like rate your music and album of the year world like I feel like they've
03:06really embraced nurture so yeah shout out Fantano he was ahead of the curve
03:09so were you were you happy with what he gave smile like that stream of you barking
03:13that was like okay but I what was the score for smile did you give it like a
03:17seven seven yeah fair enough not it's a it's a it's a it's a ten
03:22yeah well I'm proud of that actually you know it does feel like a big
03:33responsibility but I think one of the things that artists can offer this world
03:37and offer music listeners is a chance to see the world differently if the ways in
03:42which you're seeing the world differently are helpful to you even better
03:45right I have this every time I'm working on a new project based on the themes and
03:51art direction and feelings the world starts looking different to me like I
03:54remember when I was making nurture I was very literally looking at the clouds in
03:59the sky a lot and I would point it out to my wife Rick and I'm like oh this is
04:02so
04:02beautiful she's like you say that every single day and then during smile I was
04:07seeing things differently in a visual way too so I hope that through sincere
04:13expression and by saying what's really on my heart I can make music that sees
04:17helps people see the world in a way that's helpful to them I think it's a
04:27really good thing yeah I mean this is a question that I think about all the time
04:30because I'm a very nostalgic person too and with a lot of the music that I like
04:35it's natural to think like I wouldn't be nice if the artist can make me feel the
04:39same things again but the thing that people need to understand is that
04:42something like worlds or nurture and later when people ask me to return to the
04:46style style of smile or virtual self or whatever the reason those albums are so
04:51good it's not because of the style it's because of all of the emotions and
04:55feelings that were put into that and those were specific to who I was at that
04:59point in my life like if I tried to make a sequel to worlds I think it would
05:03fall flat it wouldn't connect in the same way because I wouldn't be able to put
05:06the same kinds of feelings in I've already expressed it you know that's what
05:11musical expression is and so like you could take an AI and train the AI on all
05:16of the sounds of worlds and shelter and you would have something that would be
05:21kind of plausible but it like wouldn't hit the same because there's nothing's
05:24being said like I think with worlds I was trying to say something specific and I
05:28already said it but I love world that's something people get wrong about me I
05:31love worlds I love world especially worlds live I think is like a masterpiece
05:35I think it's one of my best works and I'm happy that people love it and I'm
05:38happy that people remember it and I think the best thing I can do for those
05:42people is to not disrespect the memory by making something insincere like I
05:47don't want to just try to make something because people expect it I think I
05:52want to preserve the fond memories that sometimes you go back to a place from
05:56your childhood and it doesn't look the way you remembered it was almost better
05:59in your memory right sometimes it's disrespectful to overexpose something when
06:05when it's better in your memory you know but I love worlds I don't want people to get that twisted
06:18I think hope core is like an accurate description for nurture to be honest I
06:21I mean I think that came at a time in the world where a lot of people were in
06:25desperate need of hope I accept I accept it sure yeah I don't think it like
06:29defines me but I think that like it's not a bad descriptor for for nurture yeah
06:42well okay so in terms of people who make me rethink music it's usually not
06:46contemporary music it's usually music from the past what I like so much about
06:51music from the past is that people in the zeitgeist of whether it's the 80s or 90s
06:58or 2000s were unconsciously making decisions about their music that are
07:04different than the decisions that get made today and I really like to go back
07:07and look at those things and be like ah interesting like people didn't even
07:10realize it but they were kind of making songs in this way I really like to to try
07:15to pull out some of those pieces in terms of contemporaries I have the highest
07:20respect for for for Nina Jirachi obviously we're doing music together that's my
07:24collaborator frost children I think are are like some of the best in the world
07:29like you you know like take a record like like sister which I think is on that
07:36album they're doing things that I I try to do which is like you can make a song
07:41that feels like a forgotten hit but also refreshed like a song like falling is a
07:46masterpiece in my opinion and then they also have a record like hearth room where
07:50they're they're making like their song lethal from hearth room I just really
07:54believe that like I think that frost children are like some of the best in
08:00the world also absolutely have have love for for underscores and I've been
08:05obsessively listening to this one Leroy is Jane remover Leroy track called
08:10summer fling I it's like the most euphoric I think that whole I don't want to
08:15like lump anybody into a movement but I think that what's happening there is
08:20really exciting because I think that they're making music with their whole
08:24hearts and they're doing it for the right reasons from my from where I'm
08:29standing and I just think it's like really cool I feel like the future is in
08:32good hands
08:39so I always go back to Discovery by Daft Punk that's my number one album of all
08:43time I really like 11 11 by Pine Grove 20 to a Million by Bon Iver I really love a
08:52brief inquiry for online relationships by 1975 love that album I love Adventure by
08:58Matty on a lot that it's just such a great record so it's so itself I really
09:04like that I'm forgetting I'm forgetting more oh yeah I mean like graduation Kanye
09:09West will always be like no matter what will be one of my favorite albums of all
09:12time oh yeah cross justice is means a lot to me a couple years yeah obviously I
09:17think I love my computer Nina Jirachi have not been able to stop listening to
09:21that yeah yeah there's definitely there's like way more
09:28you
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