00:00To baseball, where our very own Joel Sherman and John Heyman caught up with Mets owner Steve Cohen on their
00:09podcast, critically acclaimed The Show, for nearly an hour, unfiltered New York Post world-exclusive interview this morning.
00:20It's unbelievable. Make sure you download, make sure you listen. Joel and John peppered the Mets owner as only they
00:27can, with every single question Mets fans wanted answered, including the job security of team president David Stearns.
00:37We're two and a half years into a contract. Everyone forgets, does he get any credit for 24? Does that
00:44not count? Okay. And we almost made it to the World Series. And that was just two years ago. So
00:51it's a mixed record. Okay. I mean, I'm not going to say it's going great. Okay.
00:57But it's too early to really make evaluations. And I feel really strongly that if we're going to burn and
01:04churn, that's a terrible place to be. And every time you burn and churn, guess what? The next time, nobody
01:10wants to come. Okay. Is someone going to put their career in your hands if you're going to be, you
01:15know, short-term oriented? And I have a contract. It's a five-year contract. And we're going to live that
01:22contract out.
01:23Would you go deeper? Do you think your team needs to be broken up in any way? And really that
01:27becomes about Lindor Soto. So I wonder what you think. I hate asking dual questions, but I think they're linked.
01:36Do you think they're in play before August 3rd? And what do you think of their dynamic, which has been
01:43talked about quite a bit? Can a winning team be formed with those two guys as the two key guys?
01:51Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see them going anywhere. Okay. And, and, and, and frankly, I
01:56think that's, that's a story that was last year's story.
01:59And that actually am told and believe strongly that these guys are getting a lot much better. And, and so
02:07I just don't see that as an issue anymore. And, you know, listen, I'm lucky enough to have two high
02:13quality players like that. And, and, you know, with the elimination of, you know, whatever issues that were last year,
02:21I mean, I'm thrilled that they're on the team.
02:23I wonder, do you worry about the near future of your team off of this trend line and off of
02:29what's going on at the top of your farm system?
02:32I'm extremely worried.
02:36A lot there, a lot to digest. Make sure you go to the New York Post Sports YouTube page where
02:41you're watching right now. Make sure you download the podcast. Make sure you watch. I watched it. It's incredible. Absolutely
02:49positively sensational. It's amazing.
02:52I want to piggyback off those specific comments from Steve Cohen and John and Joel, as they always do, asked
03:00all the right questions. Look, I disagree when it comes to Steve Cohen saying David Cerns is safe.
03:10I also, and we talked about this after Carlos Mendoza was fired. I'm not surprised by this because, and I'll
03:18paraphrase the expression, the churn and burn when it comes to executives, you don't want to be that organization.
03:24And Cohen hit on a couple of reasons why. You don't want to make your job unattractive for the next
03:30guy. You don't want people not to want your job. I'll say this, and I said this on Friday, when
03:38you fire the president of baseball operations, there's a trickle down effect for everyone and everything.
03:43Minor league operations, major league operations, manager on hot seats, coaches, entire organization, every single level of a team. So
03:54you don't want to just be impulsive.
03:58Now, I think Cohen spun it right when he talks about a couple of years ago, how close they were.
04:04Now, I would argue they've become a significantly worse team because of the moves that's at the end of the
04:08day, Stearns made.
04:10Now, it was Steve Cohen who basically gave Juan Soto a blank check. I don't believe that was David Stearns
04:16necessarily.
04:17So maybe that's part of the deal here on why Stearns is safe, even though I think everything that Stearns
04:26did this offseason was wrong and repulsive and irresponsible and letting Alonzo go.
04:33I mean, that was crazy. Absolutely insane. And we've been through all of it, right, in terms of the back
04:38end of the rotation and the bullpen and bringing in Devin Williams and, you know,
04:43how they replaced Alonzo and the overreaction with not getting Tucker and Bichette and playing Bichette at the wrong position
04:48and Robert, we could go on a lot.
04:51And of course, I love the Peralta deal and that has turned out to be a rough one. All of
04:56it. All of it.
04:58And I'm appreciative that Steve Cohen today made his first comment since the Mendoza firing with us on the New
05:05York Post Sports YouTube page and with John and with Joel.
05:08And that's terrific. And part of that, he basically confirmed everything that's been reported in terms of the relationship with
05:16Soto, Lindor, and it being a problem.
05:20He said it was a 2025 story, not 2026.
05:26Listen, I think Juan Soto is miserable. Okay.
05:30I think he's absolutely miserable. And there's no way anyone could tell me that this is what Juan Soto wanted.
05:37And when I say this, I mean all of it. I don't think he wanted to be a Met.
05:40I don't think he wanted to miss the playoffs consecutive years.
05:43I don't think he wanted to be in a place where there's chaos.
05:47Look, Juan Soto should have stayed as a Yankee.
05:50He was phenomenal in the playoffs, hit the homer against Cleveland.
05:54All the pressure was on Judge.
05:56Obviously, you know, you think about the fan base in the Bronx, you think about the short porch, he should
06:01have stayed a Yankee forever.
06:03It would have been perfect for him.
06:04Now he's with the Mets. He's, you know, feuded with Lindor last year.
06:09Cohen says it's mended.
06:12Is it?
06:13Is it really mended?
06:15I mean, when you look at body language, if you want to start talking about the body language police,
06:20I mean, Soto making excuses in the outfield for the Little League home run the other day, I don't, if
06:26I'm a Mets fan, I love Sherman and Heyman's questions.
06:29I love most of the answers from Cohen.
06:32This is one, just in the confirmation of the problem from a year ago, because that was reported, it was
06:37also pretty obvious, Mets fan, non-Mets fan.
06:41Lindor and Soto didn't like each other last year.
06:43And, you know, if you don't like each other and you win, that's great.
06:45If you don't like each other and you lose, then it's a story.
06:48And then you felt like that impacted certain moves and certain guys you had to get out of the clubhouse.
06:54Perception, reality, and all kind of blended into one here.
06:59I just don't know how the Mets get out of this malaise.
07:04So, Stearns isn't going anywhere.
07:07So now he's going to be the one over the next month.
07:09It's July 1st today.
07:12Trade deadline's August 3rd.
07:13He's going to be the one trying to build for the future and making changes to the roster.
07:19Look, I would consider trading Lindor.
07:23Why wouldn't you?
07:24Based upon contract, based upon play, based upon Soto Lindor not getting along last year,
07:31that was confirmed today on the show with Sherman and Heyman,
07:35then you should absolutely consider trading Francisco Lindor.
07:40You have to consider trading him.
07:42You have to consider trading everybody on this baseball team.
07:46Other than Soto and McClain, why wouldn't you at the end of the day?
07:51Get ready to win in 2027.
07:55That's going to be the goal when you have that kind of payroll
07:58and you're in that kind of market in New York City.
08:00So, this year was a failure.
08:03I do appreciate Cohen not only doing the interview,
08:08but he was very definitive in the way he backed up Stearns in terms of he's staying.
08:15I don't agree with it at all.
08:17There was no ambiguity.
08:19So now, the conversation in terms of asking questions is over.
08:24We can still rip him, still destroy him, still first guest, second guest, third guest.
08:27We were right, you were wrong when it comes to David Stearns and his moves the last couple of years.
08:31Let's be honest about that.
08:33But at least now there's clarity in terms of Operation Come Trade Deadline
08:38and then into the offseason and into a managerial search, which is huge.
08:43And I'm still of the opinion a manager in baseball matters
08:47in terms of culture and X's and O's and clubhouse and in-game strategy
08:51and everything that goes into that mix.
08:53Anyone who says, well, we need an organizational puppet, I just, I scoff at that.
08:58You know, go get a real manager.
09:01Get Cora.
09:02Get someone like Beltran.
09:04Get Albert Pujols.
09:05Find someone who's going to dazzle who's not even on the radar.
09:09So now, anyone who's a managerial candidate now knows Stearns is the guy.
09:13That actually does check a box.
09:15But this Soto thing, man, he didn't want to be a member of the Mets.
09:21That's pretty crystal clear.
09:23And, you know, the Eric Chavez comments, you know, he's in the clubhouse.
09:27He's not on the dugout.
09:28You know, a Stearns lieutenant's kind of patting him on the shoulder.
09:31You know, Chavez, the former bench coach, saying, oh, we got to do something about this.
09:36And Stearns is saying, well, it's not going to be the case.
09:39Everyone just looks bad.
09:40I mean, Soto looks terrible.
09:43Absolutely dreadful.
09:45Nothing's going to change.
09:47Stearns better figure this out because Cohen made it pretty crystal clear to Heyman
09:50and obviously to Joel Sherman today that the president and general manager is going nowhere.
09:57Juan Soto is going nowhere.
09:59Good luck figuring it out, boys.
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