00:00It is Rich and Ken with Ted. No Rich today. He'll be back tomorrow.
00:03Arkand in for Rich.
00:067-2-0, Texter. No way in hell. Number 7 goes to the Raptors.
00:09Maybe, did I over-exaggerate that?
00:11Do you think Brown, if he does indeed get traded, is not like an all-time Celtic looking back on
00:16it?
00:16Man, I don't think so, but the Celtics, I don't think, see it that way.
00:21I think he's definitely going to win up.
00:22I mean, don't they put up a lot of...
00:24They pretty much retired every number at this point.
00:25Yeah, that's kind of what they do.
00:27So, Arkand, you're the historian. I mean, by the way, I had teased this earlier.
00:31You had, like, some numbers. Just, if this trade goes down, where does it fit in the pantheon of great
00:37NBA trades?
00:38And even in just, like, Celtics duos that it creates?
00:41For Celtics duos, I mean, it's a big one, obviously.
00:44And you just had a great duo for a long time, two homegrown guys.
00:47But this would certainly be a step up from that, just in terms of, like, hardware and everything else.
00:52You know, Giannis is a multi-time MVP.
00:53But I also think that if it's Brown for Tatum, this could end up being one of the all-time
00:58trades in, like, NBA history.
01:00And there's been a lot. Like, Wilt got traded. Kareem got traded.
01:04Shaq got traded from the Lakers to the Heat.
01:06But those trades weren't, like, star for star.
01:08Exactly. Like, that's why I think this could be a step up from that.
01:11Like, there's even the Luka Doncic trade.
01:13Like, Anthony Davis, in the Luka trade, is what every...
01:17The haters of this trade are saying Giannis is.
01:19Like, oh, he's banged up. He's too hurt all the time.
01:21He's 31 years old, too. But Davis hardly ever played compared to Giannis.
01:25Like, Giannis is Lou Gehrig.
01:28Cal Ripken compared to Anthony Davis.
01:30So, this really does have a chance to be that.
01:32You look at the Durant trade.
01:34That was a lot of picks and things like that, but not star players.
01:38Mikael Bridges was part of that trade, but he wasn't really a star then.
01:41You know, James Harden for TJ Warren and those guys in the Nets.
01:45Like, there just wasn't much.
01:46There really wasn't much.
01:47There's been a lot of stars who have been traded, but not like this, and not potentially one for one
01:52for another superstar.
01:53You just hardly ever see that.
01:54You're not wrong, but I don't think it's going to go down as like...
01:57Maybe I don't read it right, but I don't think the league...
02:00I don't think the country's going to be like, this is the greatest NBA trade of all time.
02:02Maybe there's like Giannis fatigue at this point.
02:04Maybe.
02:05It's that because he's, you know, 31 years old.
02:08But they both played their whole careers in one place.
02:09Yeah.
02:10So, you know, it's not like they're getting traded every year.
02:12Like, Durant and Harden, those guys have played all over the place.
02:14Because these are two homegrown talents getting traded.
02:17That's a big deal.
02:18Yeah.
02:18In the modern NBA.
02:19Honestly, the Kyrie trade felt...
02:21That was a big one.
02:22...big at the time.
02:23Maybe IT wasn't the player.
02:25Yeah.
02:26Who else would that deal?
02:27That felt bigger to me.
02:28Yeah.
02:28At the time, it felt like it was the first...
02:30It just...
02:30Maybe because you were starved for a title at that point.
02:33Yeah.
02:33And desperate.
02:34And it felt like this was the move that's going to bring another championship to Boston.
02:37Yeah.
02:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:38Kyrie was never an MVP, though.
02:40Yeah.
02:40Yeah, I was a multi-time MVP.
02:42No, that's what I mean.
02:43Right?
02:43Yeah, you're right.
02:44Maybe just one.
02:45He averages 30 points and 12 rebounds a game.
02:47Like, the guy, when he's on, he is unbelievable.
02:50He's one of the great big men of all time.
02:51So, that is why I'm curious to hear from Celtics fans today.
02:55Now that it seems like it is, it's not a done deal, it's not a lock, but it's close.
02:59How do you feel about it?
03:01One more thing I want to throw out.
03:02Are you guys...
03:03Is there...
03:04I find it interesting that Giannis' two teams are the Heat and the Celtics.
03:09Yeah.
03:09Like, culturally, they couldn't be more different.
03:12Like, I'm trying to, like, what is he...
03:14What's the common thread there?
03:15Yeah, what is the common thread in these two teams?
03:17I don't think they're both in the East.
03:19That's it.
03:19You know, they're both, you know, maybe a closer flight to his hometown.
03:23I don't know.
03:24But that's the only thing I can come up with.
03:26And not the Knicks.
03:27And not like, you know, you wouldn't throw in like some other good team that's close.
03:30OKC or something like that.
03:32Yeah, team out from out west, yeah.
03:33Yeah.
03:34I think it's...
03:35I mean, everyone knows why you want to go to Miami.
03:37Like, that's a no-brainer.
03:37But with the Celtics, chance to win, you can fit them, you can do all that.
03:42I mean, he talked about Missoula.
03:43Like, honestly, if he hated Doc Rivers that much, maybe the coach is a big thing for him.
03:47Could be.
03:47And don't they have Jason Tatum and Giannis share a friend who's a trainer for Jason Tatum?
03:55I don't know that.
03:56They have a mutual friend that trains both of them that I think works mostly with Jason Tatum.
04:03The same guy that helped Durbin swing him?
04:05Maybe so.
04:05Maybe the guy from Lorenzo from London.
04:07The point is, there's a comfortability with him coming because of the relationship he has with this trainer.
04:13How do they work together?
04:14Who's the lead guy now?
04:16Giannis or Tatum?
04:17I honestly think Tatum might be fine a lot of the time for Giannis to, like, drive and kick, which
04:22makes him sort of the lead guy.
04:24Now, on the ESPN shows this morning, they were making a big case out of that.
04:27Like, hey, they need more.
04:28They need a true point guard.
04:29They need a backup big.
04:30It can't just be Giannis and Kata.
04:32You need more than that to beat the Knicks.
04:34That could be true.
04:35I don't know what the next, what the outside moves would be.
04:38But you've got some working material to me.
04:40And if Pritchard has to be your point guard, if you deal Derek White, I think that's kind of interesting,
04:45too.
04:45Oh, I hope not.
04:45There's a lot of Derek White chatter out there.
04:47And by the way, if this does happen, if Giannis becomes the guy and it becomes like a drive and
04:52kick type of team, White's going to have to start hitting his threes.
04:55Yeah.
04:55Because this past year, he went from a sharpshooter to a guy that doesn't really shoot all that well.
04:59And if that's going to be the plan, he's got to start hitting them.
05:01That's our boy now.
05:02Come on.
05:02It is.
05:03I know.
05:03That's why I'm extra tough on him.
05:04Okay.
05:05All right.
05:05All right.
05:05Fair enough.
05:06Let's go to Patrick and Easton on the JBJT.
05:08Hey, Patrick.
05:10Hey, what's going on?
05:11How are you?
05:12All I have, I just have one comment.
05:14I mean, I'm not, I don't watch a lot of basketball.
05:16I'm more of a hockey fan, but I think Jalen Brown, just the way, I don't know, just his presence
05:23in Boston, I wouldn't trade him.
05:25I would trade Jason Tatum before I'd trade Jalen Brown.
05:28Well, that's fine.
05:30I think Jason Tatum's been injured.
05:32And so, Tatum, Brown has proved himself this year.
05:37And I just think, you know, I wouldn't trade Jalen Brown.
05:41I'd trade Tatum before I traded Brown.
05:43All right.
05:44Thank you, Patrick.
05:44You have every right to feel that way.
05:46I think it does, in a sense, come down to they trust him more.
05:49He's not going to, if you felt like JB is like, not embarrassed the franchise, but he's a little more
05:54of a wild card.
05:55Definitely.
05:56Or Tatum, you can just trust, you know.
05:57He's more company friendly.
05:59Definitely.
05:59And it's also, don't forget, Jason Tatum sells a lot of jerseys.
06:03He's on a lot of commercials.
06:04You know, JB is just not as marketable.
06:06I think that's got to be a factor in this whole thing, too.
06:09I think practically it makes more sense to want to trade Brown now because Brown's trade value is as high
06:13as it's ever going to be.
06:14And Tatum's is not because of the injury.
06:16So, like, from a practical standpoint, it doesn't make that type of change.
06:19There's reports that maybe, you know, the Milwaukee, it's not enough to just get JB.
06:24Would the Celtics be stupid to not throw in a, I don't know, a Peyton Pritchard or Derek White?
06:31Would it be JB and Derek White?
06:33JB and Peyton Pritchard?
06:34I think Hauser.
06:35I think if you're going to get, so Kyle Kuzma's, like, tweeting his brains out today because Bill Simmons said
06:40if you take Giannis, you have to take Kyle Kuzma as a Giannis tax.
06:45So he's upset at that.
06:46The troll toll.
06:47Yeah.
06:47Yeah.
06:47It's the troll.
06:48So, but if they take Kuzma, you have to probably send some salary back to match it with the trade
06:53exception and all that, right?
06:54I can.
06:54There's something.
06:55So I think Hauser's an obvious.
06:57It could be one.
06:57And, yeah, I mean, taking on Kuzma and then having to give up Hauser, I feel like, is kind of
07:02bidding against yourself, though, isn't it?
07:04Like, you don't need, you want to trade Giannis?
07:06Like, we think the bridge is burned here with Jalen Brown.
07:08It's completely burned with Giannis.
07:10There's no way he can go back to Milwaukee.
07:12So, I don't know.
07:13I mean, you can tell him, hey, you like that Miami offer, go ahead and take it.
07:17But you've had that offer on the table since the trade deadline.
07:20And you have not budged.
07:21This might go up until tomorrow night.
07:22Maybe.
07:23Yeah, it could be.
07:23Unfortunately, not during the show.
07:24I was hoping we get Arcand to break it during the show.
07:26I really want to.
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