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00:05Welcome back to the Star Sportscast.
00:08Today I am taking over hosting duties from Ng Chia Yen.
00:11And we have a special episode today.
00:16We have one of the most prominent coaches coaching a Super League side in our country.
00:21And the name is Coach Harul Chilvan.
00:24Coach, how are you doing?
00:26I am good. Thanks for having me.
00:28How is your off-season going so far?
00:30So far, we are still on the off.
00:32And only the players are having their individual program at home.
00:37And we are coaches doing preparation for the pre-season.
00:42Going to be starting in less than two weeks.
00:44Looking forward to pre-season. It's going to be intense and so on.
00:47As usual.
00:50Okay, Coach. Before we go into the tactics and analytics part of it.
00:54How has the World Cup been so far for you in terms of the watching experience?
00:58Since the games that have happened so far, how do you see it going?
01:04There are many, many, many new things.
01:07We are coaches who always learn every day.
01:09And some unexpected games and movement and some Asian team, how they bring themselves into the World Cup this year
01:25was totally unexpected for coaches around the world.
01:31And I can say that the Asian team no more going to the World Cup or survive or defend.
01:39But they are more now tactically really disciplined and they try to qualify for the knockout stage.
01:48That's what I see.
01:49The Asian part of it, we will delve deeper later.
01:52But first up, based on my observation so far in this World Cup, we have seen the emergence of box
01:57-to-box midfielders.
01:58For performing very well, scoring goals and then defensively really good.
02:02One example I would like to take is Haiti's midfielder, Jean-Rignard Belagard.
02:06Even though they lost the game, but he had total control in midfield.
02:10And then Morkos is Brazil, the young kid who is only 18, Ayubo Adi, you know, holding it on his
02:16own and so on.
02:18How important is a box-to-box midfielder in today's tactics?
02:23And we can see that a lot of teams are relying on it.
02:26In the past, we had tactically organised teams not relying on those kind of midfielders, but now they are doing
02:31that.
02:31So the evolution and how important are they to football systems in the World Cup so far?
02:37Yeah, I totally agree with you.
02:39And now, you know, the midfielder is an engine of the team.
02:44So they usually have like best physical ability in the team.
02:52So for them to, from the building up from the low block and also for them to be in a
03:01late arrival in the box.
03:04Nowadays, football is dominated by a top-top midfielder.
03:09And the game also decides by them.
03:13So we have like example, last game, Morocco.
03:21They actually dominate in the middle.
03:23That's why Brazil have a little bit, how we can say, difficult to penetrate them in the middle.
03:31So if you're in control in the middle, then actually you can dominate the game.
03:38But it doesn't matter if it's a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 system, the number 8 role is
03:45a box-to-box role.
03:46It's actually the main role who dictates the game.
03:50And also in defence transition and also in the attacking transition, they play a really, really big role.
03:57I'm going to ask you this one question.
03:59Which one midfielder throughout the first week has picked your attention?
04:03Just one midfielder.
04:05For me, the Moroccan midfielder.
04:08And also I can say that yesterday's game, Jordan, then Noor and also the Moroccan Saibari.
04:18Both of them.
04:20Both of them are actually well-dominant.
04:23I wouldn't call that they are small teams, but there was outstanding there.
04:29I mean, you mentioned about Ayub Wadi.
04:31He's only 18 years old.
04:32I just want to ask this one question, coach.
04:34Do you see more younger players playing a much more prominent role in international games?
04:39Maybe one day, one fine day, you'll see like 3-15-year-olds or 4-16-year-olds in the
04:44first 11.
04:44Do you see that happening in the future?
04:47That is the evolution.
04:48Evolution of this beautiful game.
04:50Yeah, nowadays, those days, totally different.
04:54Young players to penetrate the first team.
04:56So they said, oh, they don't have experience.
04:58They need to gain experience, playing time.
05:00But now, we have like a proper youth development.
05:04Even in Malaysia and also in Europe.
05:07Europe, we no need to say.
05:0921 years old or 20 years old, you already penetrate the first team.
05:12And if you see their transfer market value, it's 4-5 million, 6 million.
05:17Even if we have 90 million players.
05:19And then, example, I can say one, center back, who play for Uzbek.
05:28He played from Bunyako.
05:31Bunyako.
05:31He went to Lens.
05:33Now, he play in Man City.
05:35You know who I am.
05:36Of the Kodoy Kusanov.
05:37So, he started the same.
05:3920 years old.
05:4020 years old.
05:41Go out and he penetrate in him.
05:44Now, he play to Man City.
05:45If you see his market value, it's unbelievable.
05:48So, everything has happened for these youth players.
05:51They have a proper youth development.
05:53Without that, for him to play in a high level, quite impossible.
05:57Okay.
05:58Now, coming to tactical interest.
06:01So far, in this tournament, which team has generally impressed you in terms of a tactical standpoint?
06:07And what is it about the approach that caught your eye?
06:10For me, so far, what I see is Morocco.
06:13Okay.
06:14Okay.
06:14Underrated team.
06:15Of course, they have like top players in the team.
06:18But before World Cup start, I think even us, nobody will be predated.
06:25Oh, Morocco is a top team.
06:27You always say Brazil, Portugal, Germany.
06:30All these top names, Spain, Spanish, you know.
06:33But for me, what I see, the game with Morocco, was they are really, I can say, tactical discipline.
06:41Really tactical discipline.
06:42Meaning how they, from the low-mid block, 4-4-2, they're moving as a shape for 90 minutes is
06:50quite impossible.
06:51Actually, if you see, even any team, even your coach, how they move as a unit, like a low-mid
06:57block in 4-4-2, it's quite hard.
07:00Because they did this, we call it like a net.
07:04Net.
07:04So, the net was not even a break in any minutes.
07:09And they tried to win the ball.
07:11The first win the ball, the transition was really good.
07:14That's how they killed Brazil, the first goal.
07:16Win the ball, first pass forward.
07:19And the rest defense of Brazil was a little bit poor.
07:23So, they conceded the first goal.
07:25But coach, based on your knowledge, because we know that Morocco are blessed with technical plays.
07:30Really technical plays.
07:32You mentioned like Saibari, and then Boadi.
07:35And in the past, they had plays like ZH, Bufal.
07:37Why do you think this keeps happening with this North African nation?
07:40Why are they able to produce this kind of plays?
07:42Is it because of the youth system?
07:45Or is it because they were just built to like, hey, let's have fun.
07:48You know, let's play football.
07:49That kind of thing.
07:51Even in our scouting, to find a place in foreign players to move for our league.
07:59Like, and mostly, if you see the country from Africa side, African nation, and they have
08:08like natural physical ability, which is they don't need to go to gym, to build, but they're
08:15very nature.
08:15And they build their skills through street footballs.
08:21Right.
08:21Yeah.
08:21They can, you can put them to play anywhere.
08:24Any condition.
08:26So, they have no issue.
08:27So, this is like from the beginning, from themselves, it's already there.
08:34So, when you come after like a proper training, proper youth development setup, then you start
08:40into the technical work, and then after that, introduce on a technical work.
08:46So, for the coaches, quite easy.
08:49Right.
08:49Yeah.
08:50Because they already have this ability.
08:52And also, for me, they are poor country.
08:56And for them to develop their lifestyle, they always go to football side.
09:02Right.
09:03Because they know that football is a big business market in everywhere.
09:08So, they try to penetrate there to build their lifestyle.
09:13That's what I see.
09:15This is my opinion.
09:16Okay.
09:16This segment is going to get me so excited because it involves our Asian teams.
09:20And in Slangho itself, we have got colleagues from South Korea.
09:24I don't need to mention the names.
09:26I think everybody here knows who is coaching Slangho and so on.
09:28And you are working under him.
09:30Before the tournament started and during the tournament, did you have discussions with
09:34your colleagues on how these teams are going to fare, especially South Korea?
09:38And what was your assessment together with them after their first game against 1-2-1?
09:48Just like a normal coffee talk after our team briefing, you know, when we go to away game, just talk.
09:58Then we didn't really expect that South Korea will be playing this way, you know.
10:05But we always talk about Japan.
10:08Because how Japan was qualified and how Japan did good in their friendly matches.
10:15So, our focus and main target was Japan.
10:19Because some of our clips to show the players, some of the clips we took from Japan team.
10:26Because this involves a daily coaching job to find good clubs or good teams' clips to show to the player.
10:34So, we always focus on Japan.
10:35But first game, I watched with them win 2-1.
10:42And I was saying, wow, they're totally different.
10:45Different team than what we expected, you know.
10:47Then after that, a few viral clips, how they work in the gym, everything is viral.
10:53And then we say, oh, actually they are physically dominating the game.
10:56And of course, still again, this World Cup so far I see,
11:01every goal was generated from the transition.
11:04That's our Asian team strength at the moment, what I see.
11:10Which player have you pressed so far among the South Koreans against Czech Republic when they beat them 2-1?
11:16Wong, how?
11:18Wong and Byung?
11:19Yeah.
11:20Son, of course we know Son.
11:21And it's a thing that he played in a big level.
11:24But this player was actually catching my eyes.
11:27Okay.
11:27Why?
11:28Any reason?
11:29Because how he was dominating the position.
11:33And how individually he exploits the half space.
11:38And running to the area where he can generate the goal.
11:43And the speed, physicality.
11:46It's totally, for me, it's unexpected.
11:49I just want to pick your thought out of this.
11:51Maybe you can give a simple answer.
11:53Like, against Czech Republic, Son was struggling up front.
11:57But the moment Oh Hyungyu came in, he scored a goal.
12:00Do you think that could be a change for the next game?
12:06Usually, top coaches, they won't change much.
12:08Okay.
12:09Because winning team, they won't, no need to change much.
12:13But we can't say and predict the line-up for the following game.
12:20But this could be the tactical reason.
12:24Because Son, everyone knows.
12:26Then for him to make and make a movement or the opposition team coach was saying,
12:34okay, we make Mark Kim, kill is a movement.
12:37Then that's the right movement.
12:39Sometimes the top coaches quickly decide, okay, now.
12:42That's the right time you need to change.
12:44Sometimes this is happening in many games.
12:46Even in our game.
12:47We change.
12:48We put him.
12:48He can deliver.
12:49Same goes to any top world-class games.
12:55Okay.
12:55Now, closer to home.
12:56We're going to talk about two players who have played for Slango.
13:00One is the Jordanians.
13:03Left-back, Mohamed Abbal Nadi.
13:05And also midfielder, Noor Al Rawabde.
13:07You have worked with them in training sessions, during games and so on.
13:10Maybe before I delve deeper on the team that they're playing for in the World Cup.
13:14How are they like as individuals?
13:16How are they in training?
13:17And what can our local boys actually pick out from them?
13:22I know both of them very close.
13:24Right.
13:24Yeah.
13:25So, actually, I'm really proud.
13:27I coached the World Cup players to be in the World Cup.
13:31Even they lost 3-1.
13:33But they did a really good job.
13:36Good job.
13:36Good game.
13:38Noor is like a real connector in the midfield.
13:41Okay.
13:42It's like what you say just now, box-to-box midfield.
13:44You know, and you also, you will always see in the defense, sometimes we have offensive
13:51full-backs, you know.
13:53And in transition, he covered the full-backs.
13:57And also in position, how he started, one of the line-breaking guys in build-up.
14:04And also, always arrive in the box to help other players to generate the goal, XGs.
14:12So, he's like, if you see him, if there is a heat map, you can see him everywhere.
14:19Everywhere.
14:19And you always cover 11-12 kilometers in the game.
14:23Regularly?
14:24Regularly.
14:24Okay.
14:25Each game you play.
14:26But I'm not surprised how they, I think, from yesterday, yesterday game, there is a GPS
14:31data coming in.
14:33You can see him.
14:34Definitely, he's 11.5 and above.
14:38So, this kind of a player is Noor.
14:40And also, his attitude with the other players, with the coaching staff, very professional.
14:45When the first time they qualify, when they're coming to the first day of a training, last
14:51season, first session, we actually celebrate them.
14:54Celebrate them because the players think, wow, now, he already respected.
14:59And the young player now, see them playing in one cup, is more respected.
15:03So, they try to, the youth players, they try to imitate them.
15:10That's good things.
15:12Like Mo, Mo is a good left footer, fullback.
15:16He has a physical speed, very aggressive.
15:18And his line-breaking pass, actually, big weapon for Jordanian when they're in transition.
15:28I see.
15:28In transition.
15:29And, you know, we have Ali Olwan and Tamari.
15:33And this new, 20-year-old boy, Jordanian.
15:37Ode.
15:38All these front players, really fast.
15:42So, this one pass, actually, can kill the other opening team in transition.
15:49Did you watch the game yesterday?
15:50I mean, yesterday, Noor, he assisted.
15:52All one scored.
15:52All one was also a former Slango player.
15:54So, when you watch the move, how did you feel, personally?
15:57First, I watched, okay, today, we expected, we and our other colleagues just went on a phone call.
16:03We talked, hey, you already started watching?
16:06Yeah, yeah, I'm on the TV.
16:08So, what are we going to do?
16:09I think today, the game is going to be a draw.
16:11Okay.
16:12Okay, we will see.
16:13We will see.
16:13Then, after the first goal concede, they concede.
16:17I was like, hey, what's going on now?
16:19But, they play really well.
16:21Only the small, small details, you know, to final, not really sharp.
16:26In a finishing, before they concede a goal, they actually have one good chance, you know.
16:32But, it doesn't happen.
16:33But, there was one moment, their defending shape was really good.
16:39And Noor actually was a key player who won the duals.
16:42Then, after that, this is also part of our philosophy in Slango.
16:46Win the ball, find a forward pass, forward player.
16:52And, you know, Ali all won.
16:53In transition, his speed, his physicality, his power.
16:56His top.
16:58So, the first pass, and Ali all won kind of play.
17:02If you don't close enough to him, he will make a shot.
17:04That's how he scored the goal.
17:06Okay, we have spoken about South Korea and Jordan.
17:08And, you also mentioned about the Japanese national team, using them as a reference and so on.
17:13Maybe shortly, how did you see their performance against Netherlands?
17:18And, what do you expect them to do in the upcoming game?
17:22Again, Netherlands, we know Netherlands is a big team.
17:25You know, how if you just open the task market, you see the value of the team compared to Japan.
17:30But, Japan, even they are physically not that big compared to Netherlands.
17:36But, they come back twice.
17:38Twice in the game.
17:40Again, again, I need to press this word.
17:44Transition, transition.
17:45This transition for Asian team, we are the best.
17:49We are the best.
17:50Some big teams, they dominate the position.
17:53But, you can have like 70% of a ball position.
17:57But, if you don't win the game, it still doesn't make any sense.
18:03You hold 70%.
18:04But, how you defend, how you kill opening transition, this is the big topic going to be in this year's
18:16World Cup.
18:16Looks like we can look forward to promising matches from Asian sides in the second match week.
18:21Which, I am looking forward to.
18:22And, also, I will use that word as well, transition, as a key point to understand how these players play.
18:28And, so, now, final segment, Coach.
18:31We have selected some games here.
18:33So, we have got Argentina vs. Australia.
18:36England vs. Ghana.
18:37Portugal vs. Uzbekistan.
18:40Give us your take on how this match would turn out.
18:43And, which are the plays to watch from each of these matches.
18:46We can start off with Argentina vs. Australia.
18:50Argentina is going to be the very fascinating.
18:52Tactical content.
18:53Okay.
18:54So, my key period will be the first 20 minute opening.
18:59Okay.
19:01Whichever team dominates, they are going to win.
19:04So, I think if Argentina couldn't stop Austria, Austria's physical and their pressing line,
19:12they might struggle.
19:14And this Austria can be upset.
19:17Okay.
19:17Good teams.
19:18so I think
19:19this 20 minutes
19:20window will be
19:21great to watch
19:23whoever dominates
19:24here
19:24I think they will
19:25be deciding
19:26is it the
19:27Rafragnik factor
19:28because he's a
19:28coach that
19:29started this
19:30Kagan pressing
19:31principles that
19:31was fine-tuned
19:32by Klopp
19:33do you think
19:34that could be
19:34a factor
19:34yes exactly
19:36okay
19:37England versus
19:38Ghana how do
19:38you think the
19:39game would go
19:39okay
19:40we know
19:41England
19:43comfortably win
19:444-2
19:45against
19:45Russia
19:46but
19:47if you see
19:48the two goals
19:49they considered
19:50I can say that
19:52in my opinion
19:53the Reds defense
19:54was
19:55not
19:56I wouldn't say
19:57poor
19:57but not really
20:00there
20:01if
20:02I think
20:02top coaches
20:03in a one match
20:05they will fix this
20:06okay
20:06I think
20:06for next match
20:08and
20:10if they fix this
20:11I think they have
20:12a big chance
20:13to win
20:13in a good
20:14good margin
20:15you know Ghana
20:16today
20:17late
20:17late
20:18late goals
20:19and again
20:20the transition
20:21movement
20:21how they score
20:22goals
20:22so this
20:23England need
20:24to be careful
20:25Portugal versus
20:27Uzbekistan
20:27one of our
20:28Asian representatives
20:29Portugal
20:30today draw
20:31with
20:31their Congo
20:33but
20:34not
20:35expected
20:37how
20:37they actually
20:38in
20:40position
20:41in attacking
20:41and taking
20:42that
20:42there was
20:43not really
20:44good enough
20:45good enough
20:46and of course
20:47there is
20:47big names
20:48Ronaldo
20:49team captain
20:50you know
20:51but
20:52the
20:53small detail
20:55sometime
20:56now
20:57since today
20:59I just
21:00check my
21:01stats
21:02you know
21:02I like to
21:03that
21:03especially in
21:04the set pieces
21:05set pieces
21:06there's already
21:07eight goals
21:08scored
21:08you know
21:09and
21:09most
21:10the seven goals
21:11is a direct
21:12and one goal
21:13actually
21:14Portugal
21:14conceded from
21:15second contact
21:15you know
21:16so this
21:17organization
21:18need to be
21:19in details
21:20with the
21:21players
21:21you know
21:21so I think
21:22that's going to
21:23be a
21:23good game
21:24also for me
21:25okay
21:26Uzbek is not
21:27a small team
21:29and
21:30they did
21:30also good
21:31good actions
21:32today
21:32unfortunately
21:34they lost
21:34but
21:35for me
21:36it's going to
21:36be a good
21:37game
21:38one last
21:38question for
21:39me
21:39I know
21:39a lot of
21:40purists will
21:40talk about
21:41beautiful football
21:42you need to
21:42play on the
21:43floor
21:43I mean
21:43you need to
21:43play on the
21:44field
21:44passing
21:45transition
21:46movements
21:46quick passes
21:47and so on
21:47but some
21:48say scoring
21:49through
21:49set pieces
21:50now there's
21:51a new term
21:52called
21:52haram ball
21:53but in your
21:53opinion
21:54how important
21:55is set pieces
21:56in the
21:57modern game
21:57set pieces
21:59actually play
21:59a huge role
22:00to win
22:02for winning
22:03the game
22:03you know
22:04because most
22:05of the
22:0830%
22:09of the goal
22:09and if you
22:11see last
22:11World Cup
22:13statistic
22:14it's more
22:15than 30%
22:16so every
22:17year
22:17is increasing
22:18so there
22:19is many
22:20set pieces
22:21movement
22:22the coaches
22:22create
22:23blocking
22:23movement
22:24how they
22:24exploit
22:25the space
22:25against
22:27hybrid
22:27marking
22:27hybrid
22:28marking
22:28means
22:28they have
22:29zonal
22:29and man
22:30marking
22:30there's
22:31another
22:32fully
22:32zonal
22:33marking
22:33ball
22:34players
22:34don't
22:34mark
22:34any
22:35player
22:35but
22:35how
22:36they
22:36take
22:36care
22:36of
22:37the
22:37zones
22:37where
22:37the
22:38ball
22:38delivers
22:38so this
22:39each of
22:40the role
22:41and
22:42the coaches
22:43give to
22:43the players
22:44they actually
22:45have the
22:45role
22:45you need to
22:47actually execute
22:48the role
22:48if you fail to
22:49execute
22:50that's how
22:51you consider
22:51the goal
22:52so this
22:53this
22:56we have a
22:57tactical
22:57even in
22:59tactical
22:59formation
23:00even in
23:01set pieces
23:01we have a
23:01tactical
23:01formation
23:02actually
23:03so each
23:04role
23:05must be
23:05very clear
23:06to the
23:06player
23:08coach
23:08absolute
23:09pleasure
23:10talking to
23:11you
23:11learnt a
23:11lot
23:12today
23:12we can
23:13go on
23:13talking the
23:14whole day
23:14about the
23:14game
23:15but this
23:15is the
23:15only time
23:16we have
23:16in the
23:16moment
23:17but
23:17anyways
23:18thank you
23:18so much
23:19pleasure
23:19having you
23:19here
23:21to our
23:22listeners
23:22thank you
23:23for tuning
23:24in
23:24please do
23:25watch the
23:25rest of
23:26our
23:26episodes
23:26and enjoy
23:27the
23:27World Cup
23:28till then
23:29bye
23:29bye
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