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Kuala Lumpur centreback Giancarlo Gallifuoco offers expert insight into modern defending, knockout football and the teams chasing World Cup glory with Star Sportcast's T. Avineshwaran.
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00:05Welcome back to the Saha Sportscast. I'm Tia Arvind Eswaran. Today we've got a guest. He needs
00:10no introduction. One of my bestest friends in football. A maverick for Kuala Lumpur. Hopefully
00:16soon to be a national player. Gian Carlo Galifuco. How are you, Gigi? Wow, man. That was a very,
00:22very, very good introduction. Thank you. You hyped me up way too much. Thank you, man. I'm so happy
00:28to be here. Okay. How do you find the World Cup so far? No, before talking about the World Cup,
00:33talk us through how is off-season going? I mean, have you met your teammates, Kale? How things are
00:37going? Yeah. Well, this is strange because for everybody who's listening, Arvi actually knows
00:44me really well. So he knows that I hate the off-season. I'm a bit of a workaholic. So
00:50I hate when I don't have training. I hate when I don't have schedule. So then I build the schedule
00:55and I pretty much do the same thing every off-season. I say, okay, you've got to spend
01:01some time not training, just enjoy yourself. And then by like day three, my wife will start saying
01:07to me, you're so annoying. I know you want to train, just go train. And then I start building
01:13up some sort of routine. So, um, the off-seasons are like a beautiful time for you to like kind
01:19of
01:19work on all your weaknesses, especially like as you get older, strengthening things so that you
01:24don't have a future problem, you know? And one thing for me that I kind of really hone in on,
01:30on the off-season is just trying to get my body in the right place to, as I know you
01:36know, but I
01:36want to play football for a long, long time. So, uh, I spent this last four, six weeks kind of
01:43just
01:43in the gym, strengthening all, all the joints, all the ligaments. So hopefully it can have another,
01:50uh, pain-free season. And, but I, I can't wait to get back to work, man.
01:55Okay. But off-season, off-season is so, uh, you can do lots of learnings as well,
01:59and what better time to watch the World Cup. And, uh, as a centre-back yourself, you know,
02:05watching the World Cup, how do you see the performances of defenders? What have you learned
02:08from this place? And yeah, I mean, how does, did you see the World Cup this year?
02:15Well, I watched it a bit lonely because Italy didn't make the World Cup, so that was a bit sad,
02:20but, um, no, from a, we were speaking a little bit off-air, and from a, like a defender point
02:26of
02:26view, I'm a bit of like a purist when it comes to defending. And I think that, um, there's certain
02:33foundations to, to positions. For example, anybody who listens to this and you, you know, football.
02:40So you want your winger to be someone who's good on a 1v1, has to be good at crossing, right?
02:46You
02:46want your attacker to be a good finisher. And then everything else that comes after that
02:51is kind of like, uh, a cherry on top. I think the last 10 years, there's kind of, we've been
02:58lost
02:59with defending specifically where we've idolized, uh, uh, Terry's, John Terry's and Ferdinand's and
03:08Cannavaros, these defenders that were such good leaders, such good defenders, and they could play
03:13with the ball. They were technically gifted. And I think we put so much, we, we tried to major so
03:19much
03:19on the minor and focused a lot on every single defender that was, had a high pass accuracy or,
03:27um, could become under pressure. And we've kind of lost the quality of actually defending.
03:33And I've kind of seen that in this world cup in a way of like, you're seeing big nations concede
03:39to small nations. Whereas before that would never happen because the quality or even the physical
03:45presence of this, the more experienced country, let's say the defenders knew when to kill a game,
03:53knew when to have it be no nonsense, you know? And I joked, I joked with you before, but I
03:58said like,
03:59if you Google Cannavaro, everyone knows he was a ball playing center back, but you watch the 2006
04:04world cup. There's many a time he cleared the ball, he slide tackled, he did something dirty because
04:08that's part of the job. So something that I've noticed this world cup is I feel like finally that
04:14era of having like a 70 kilogram center back who is fantastic at passing the ball, but doesn't
04:21actually know how to defend. I feel like that's ending, you know? Um, I can't remember the, the
04:26name, I think his name is Dunk, the, uh, English defender. And they put him on to finish the game.
04:31Um, and he won and burn, burn, burn, sorry, burn. And they, they put him on, he, he won every
04:37aerial
04:38jewel. And it's that kind of stuff. Like in the end, in these world, in these games, the world cup's
04:43the pinnacle, you have these minutes, these moments like Egypt, Argentina, where you have to kill a game
04:51off and you need that kind of old school defender. And I feel like that's one thing for me that
04:59I'm
04:59watching that I'm seeing like many times when a country falls short and the countries that are
05:05doing well is when the defender, the defender or the back line still has that. And I feel like
05:11that's becoming sexy again, you know? As being from the nineties, we are so accustomed to nineties
05:17defending, but then evolution of defending now is totally different. You have placed or fixated
05:21with statistics and other pressing and the passes and all that for you. How do you see this evolution
05:27going for a defender? Like in your case, I believe you are an old school defender. You love clearances,
05:31counting challenges. You don't care about the numbers. It's more about the team. Yeah. Right.
05:35How do you see this, uh, phenomenon? Like your take on it? How the changes? I think you're,
05:44you said it perfectly. And I'm, I'm glad that you think I'm that kind of a player. Cause I think
05:48that
05:49as you get further and further back from attacker to midfield to defender, you have to be more in
05:55servitude to your team, right? Cause your position is completely about, um, the betterment of the
06:02team, of the group. Of course, an attacker has to be a little bit more selfish, right?
06:07So I feel like this, as, as this is going and this obsession with stats has been happening,
06:15you're, you're finding that like, for example, defenders chop and change teams a lot.
06:20And that didn't really used to happen before. Yeah. Right. And I think that now slowly it's
06:26coming back with like man city. Okay. He's, he's leaving stones, but they bought him all playing
06:33defender, but a good defender, you know, and then they, they go five, six years where seven years
06:37where that person is your center back. And I think that's, that evolution is going to come back around
06:43because people are realizing that stats can be manipulated. They can give you a very selfishly
06:49driven performance. And in the end, a coach with his job on the line does not care about your stats.
06:56He cares about the team winning, you know,
07:01Any of your mates playing in the World Cup, have you kept in touch with them?
07:04Yeah. So, um, I'm quite close with, um, some players from the national, uh,
07:09Australian national team. Um, Jackson Irvine and Cameron Burgess, they're my old teammates.
07:15So, um, I've talked a lot with them, Cameron Burgess specifically,
07:19because in the second game he scored no goal. Yeah. And as a defender, you just smash yourself
07:25about that. You beat yourself up. And I, I like people don't realize like how obsessive
07:34athletes are about their own performance and their own better men. You know, I think sometimes,
07:39uh, people have this like assumption that we're all like, we play a game and then we go and party
07:45and we live the best life. You know, most of the time it's like rewatching your game, being so angry
07:50that you misplaced a pass or so on and so forth. So I reached out to Cameron just to say
07:54like,
07:56that mistake basically is from effort and no one will ever hold that against you.
08:01It's not from lack of effort. Lack of effort is when you have a problem, you know,
08:05whereas he was trying to, and then to Jackson Irvine, because I think this will probably be
08:10his last World Cup. I think he can kind of feel that they're kind of starting to phase that generation
08:15out and that to be proud, to be proud of himself, be proud of the performances. And I think like,
08:21I'm sorry for embellishing, but I think the World Cup shows you that like, of course,
08:28the metric of winning is the most important thing. It's unbelievable. Everybody wants to win,
08:32right? But there's, there's many successes on the way. Getting to the World Cup is a ridiculous
08:39achievement. And then playing, competing is a ridiculous achievement. And then managing to win
08:45Turkey and beat Turkey is a ridiculous, and then whatever, to the point where you lose,
08:52you know, it's for outside of the big seven nations, it's all learning. It's all, you know,
08:58like I saw Mo Salah talking after he got knocked out and he was talking happy. And he was saying,
09:02this is so good for African football and Egyptian football. And I, that was kind of the message I
09:07was trying to say to Jackson. I was trying to say like, you're going to look back when you're 70
09:10and people are going to say about how Australia qualified three times in a row. And that you're,
09:14you've capped, you've played 11 games in the World Cup, 11 games. Man, I used to juggle with
09:18this boy at 15. He couldn't juggle properly. Like, and now he's got 11. This is incredible. Like,
09:23how far you've, you've come, you know? And that's one thing as a, as a footballer, as a person,
09:28as a leader, if there's one imprint I can make on football is that I want people to understand
09:33that there's many wins. It's not just the trophy, you know?
09:37How did you see the round of 16 going? I mean, the biggest surprise was Norway beating Brazil.
09:43Talk us through that game and maybe I can ask you this because you have had
09:47lots of successful cup campaigns with your club, Kuala Lumpur. Thank you.
09:50AFC Cup, Malaysia Cup, FA Cup, and so on. So, seeing that happen, you know, what was your first thought?
09:58Man, about Brazil getting knocked out, I didn't think Brazil were anywhere near the strongest version
10:04of Brazil that I've seen. So, I knew that they were fallible. But, I was just,
10:12I speak all the time because Haaland is just crazy, man. Like, he's just so, so strong and so powerful.
10:21And his ability to just zone out of the game for like 40 minutes and then pop back in and
10:26smack
10:27one into the bottom corner is so outrageous. Like, that's so hard to defend.
10:31And like, the mentality of a defender is you're basically, you're scoping the team,
10:37you're always in instruction, you're always conducting, and you have like 50% of your brain
10:43constantly on where is that guy because he's the killer, right? And it's so hard to watch when
10:52the defender, the center back, has done everything right. And still, the person's just too strong,
10:57or too fast, or too good. And you think like, man, he didn't even make a mistake. He was watching,
11:03and so, anyway, I was in awe of Haaland. But I think Norway's, like, the camaraderie they have,
11:10the culture that they're developing, you see how they celebrate. I'm a big predictor of a team's
11:17success when you see them score. For example, if I ever see someone score and the teammates don't
11:23run with him, it's always like a really clear sign the culture's bad, you know? And like, in Norway,
11:29when you see them going ballistic, they're running to the guy who did the assist, they're jumping
11:33together. And that to me, it has like Italy Euro feel, it has this kind of like Greece Euro feel,
11:41where you see like this kind of, sort of underdog country, and they're really banned together.
11:46So, I wasn't, it didn't blow my mind that they knocked Brazil out. But in saying that,
11:52I do think they're going to lose to England. So, yeah, I know I've just jumped a question, but
11:58so, I'm saying all that to say, I think they're going to get knocked out.
12:00That question I'll ask later, but I'm surely going to ask that question, because I'm quite surprised
12:04that you gave that take. I mean, I thought it was going to be a balanced affair, but then we'll
12:07talk about it later on, no problem. But in terms of the quality of matches, you know, is this the
12:13best World Cup you've watched so far? You know what? I was, I don't know about you,
12:17but I was really against the expanded teams. I thought it was, you know, like, I hate when
12:23football changes. I'm like, I want the tradition to last. I want, like I was against VAR, I'm against
12:29all, it's because football is such a beautiful game, I never want anything to change. But I think
12:33this has been the best World Cup that I've watched, purely because you have seen so many
12:41underdog nations, underdog players, players from nowhere have ridiculous performances
12:46that will change their whole life, you know? And you've got that like Cabo Verde Keeper,
12:51and then you've got this player and that player doing insane things, and everybody talking about
12:56them. Even the Egypt Argentina, the goal gets disallowed, but the number 12, he plays for Al-Ali,
13:03and that would have been probably the goal of the tournament, if it was allowed. This player that
13:07now everyone's talking about, he just ran 80 yards, dribbled three Argentinian players,
13:13the World Cup holders, you know? And he's, so these kind of things, I think...
13:16Are you talking about Hossein Hassan there, right?
13:18Yeah, number 12?
13:19Number 12, he plays for Ril Ovedo.
13:20That's right, that's right. Al-Ali is the goalkeeper. But he was amazing. The Egyptian goalkeeper,
13:27amazing. And you know, that's where I think this World Cup to me has been my favorite. Whereas,
13:33you know, I'm accustomed to growing up. Obviously, back then, Italy used to qualify.
13:41But I'm used to just watching Italy and being like, okay, we're going to play two countries
13:46that we're going to batter in the group stage, and then the competition starts. And you're kind
13:50of bored of that until it gets to the good part. Whereas like, I just thought this World
13:54Cup has been so beautiful with this expanded, more even kind of format. And there were so many
14:03shocks. Who was the Cup of Verde that drew with Spain in the first game? You know, like all these
14:09things. There were such beautiful talking points, you know? So yeah, I've really... I think it's
14:14probably my favorite one.
14:15I want to talk about EG versus Argentina. Because off-air, you didn't mention about...
14:19Yeah, there's been lots of controversies. It's still being spoken about. Some fans are saying it's rigged.
14:25FIFA should have done better with the refereeing. The referee should have been better.
14:28And then they say that officials are favoring Argentina. There are lots of talking points.
14:33But you didn't mention about the last 20 minutes of that match, what Egypt should have done better.
14:40Okay, I won't deny. I think that the referee should have been better. I don't think that
14:48the goal should have been disallowed for Egypt. I don't think Salah's penalty shout was a penalty.
14:54I think that was too soft and the ball was going backwards. So I think the ref did right there.
14:58But the goal, I don't think it should have been disallowed. But in saying that,
15:03you're in a round of 16. You're Egypt. You are 2-0 up. There's 20 minutes to go.
15:10It's not the sexiest thing to say. But you do every single possible thing you can to kill that game.
15:17Then it goes 2-1. You do two times everything you possibly can to kill that game.
15:22And for me, that's the part that I was so disappointed because not only did I see lack of,
15:31and like so easy for me to say, but lack of football IQ, but there was lack of effort.
15:38But there's a moment for the last goal, Enzo's header, where Enzo's one-on-one with the center back,
15:48and there's three Egyptian players jogging, leaving the one-on-one. Are you crazy? I wouldn't do that in a
15:57Liga Super game.
15:57Like, and then what makes it worse is that three Argentinian players sprint past them.
16:04So even if Enzo didn't win the header, it was a 3v1 or 4v1.
16:10What are you doing? It's the World Cup. If I see you, which I've done, which you've seen me do,
16:17which my teammates do, all of us do.
16:19If you see an extremely tired effort and then a failure, no judgment. No player on earth would ever judge
16:30anyone for making a mistake like that.
16:32But in a game with so much, you're a history-making game. You are seconds away from taking them to
16:44extra time,
16:44and then we're in the deep end and anything can happen. You didn't have the effort or the discipline to
16:50track back.
16:52I can't, even now, I think, I don't think I'd sleep. I wouldn't be able to fathom that.
16:58So I think, yes, we can have this talking point about the ref. Okay, we can talk about the ref.
17:03We can talk about how there was certain calls. Yes, I do think that refs favor Messi because people try
17:12to kick Messi constantly.
17:13So I think refs are very soft on him, right? But that's part and parcel of also being the greatest
17:20dribbler of all time.
17:21He gets kicked 50 million times a day. So I get that, right?
17:25But for me, the bigger criticism when I'm that coach and I go back would be how my defense,
17:32back to what we were talking about five minutes ago, don't have the IQ to say,
17:37hey, stop. Stop the leaking. We're 2-1 up. Everyone, get the ball. Either kick it out of the stadium
17:47or pop the ball.
17:49We're trying to finish this game. We are minutes away from tasting the quarterfinal.
17:55And that just, there was poor clearances. There was trying to dribble out of the box.
18:01There was a moment where even Salah made a mistake on the edge of the, and I thought like, that's
18:05absurd.
18:06That is so absurd. And you can say it's fatigue or whatever.
18:10But to me, that's the part that I think people aren't talking enough about.
18:15You have to also say that is their responsibility.
18:18Do you think the head was done? Keep it short.
18:21I think so.
18:22Keep it short.
18:22I think so.
18:23You think the head was done?
18:24I think so, yeah.
18:25Okay, now, we've already spoken about the round of 16.
18:29The quarterfinals are underway and we are looking at Argentina taking on Switzerland and also Norway versus England.
18:37Norway versus England, we'll keep it aside. We'll talk about Argentina versus Switzerland.
18:40How do you think that game would be?
18:43Do you think the referee would now say that since there was a controversy in the previous game,
18:47this time around, we have to be more stricter towards the Argentinians?
18:52And how do you see Switzerland taking on the reigning world champions?
18:57Yeah, I think there will be like a reverberation.
19:02Like there will be a sort of kind of like the referee is going to try really hard.
19:06I don't know why I have that inkling as well.
19:08You know, he's going to over let fouls go or vice versa.
19:14But I think this is the best chance for Argentina to be knocked out.
19:19I do.
19:19Because I think the amount of attention on the ref, the amount of attention on the fact that, you know,
19:27they've been getting pushed and being helped.
19:29I saw a statistic today that said they have the most amount of fouls per 90 minutes and so on
19:35and so forth.
19:36But I think that that would enter their camp, you know, that will enter their camp.
19:42That will be in there.
19:43So a part of your group would also feel like you're getting discredited every day online from three billion football
19:52fans, you know.
19:53So, but they're still the world champions and they still have Lionel Messi.
19:57So, yeah.
20:00How do you think Marendakin is going to tell his players to play against them?
20:03I assume they're going to be tactically organized and Garni Zaka being one of the leaders there,
20:09he's known for that, being able to grind down matches.
20:11So how do you think they would take on the might of the Argentinians?
20:16You know what?
20:16It's so hard because he, the deadlock breaker, the key is Messi.
20:24And unlike Ronaldo, Ronaldo stays at the point, Messi moves.
20:28So even if you try to do a block, he just waits outside the block and then dribbles into the
20:33block.
20:33So he's, that's why he's the greatest player on the earth.
20:37Right?
20:37So he's so hard.
20:38Wait, did you just see he's the greatest player on the earth?
20:40I'm going to be a CR7 fan, did you?
20:42This is on record, huh?
20:45Did you hear how quickly I put my volley down?
20:48I thought, crap.
20:48All right.
20:50Yeah.
20:51So I think that's going to make things very difficult, but I'm kind of banking on the
20:55fact that Zaka is a real leader and has incredible football IQ.
21:01And I think that if Argentina has already showed against two weaker nations that they're not
21:09as strong as we think they are.
21:11And I think that's all been down to kind of someone on the field not taking the game by
21:19the horns.
21:21But, and I think he can.
21:23So I think this is the best chance for them to get knocked out.
21:26Uh, no versus England.
21:28I mean, you did say that you expect no versus run to end, but here's my counter-argument.
21:35Against Brazil, Haaland was waiting for his moment and he got two beautiful moments and
21:39took them well.
21:41Whereas English defenders, they're more like, get physical with us.
21:44You know, you need to come and duel us and we'll get stronger and stronger and stronger.
21:48Whereas Haaland is not that kind of a player.
21:51How do you think that duel is going to go?
21:53How do you think English defense is going to take on the might of Haaland?
21:56Or maybe even other Norwegian players would be able to turn up as well in that game.
22:00But your take, how do you see that going?
22:02Well, uh, I know that Stones is going to be comfortable.
22:05That's the part for me that I think is a big, big, big factor because Stones will not fear
22:10Haaland.
22:11Right.
22:11He's trained with them every single day.
22:12Right.
22:12So, uh, I think that's a big factor and I think my prediction is that it'll be like
22:20a one nil and I think that both teams are going to focus so much on blocking the spear.
22:27So I think England will focus so much on isolating no space for Haaland and Norway will focus so
22:34much on not letting Kane get in the six yard box.
22:38So I think something will come from a midfielder.
22:41And I just think England have Bellingham.
22:45And so I can see that all the focus will be on these two points where you're just, you're
22:51really trying to constrict these two plays because you know, if Kane or Haaland get half
22:58a chance, they're going to bury you.
23:00Whereas I don't think as much as he's, I know you love him, but I don't think Odegaard
23:06has that kind of finishing like I know Bellingham does.
23:10And Bellingham makes 20, 30 runs every game.
23:15I'll be honest.
23:16Bellingham is better than Odegaard.
23:17In that, in that, in that, in that, in attackive kind of, um, and I just think that's what
23:22will break.
23:22What will break is that when you have this big a game, such a focus, the whole back six
23:29will be thinking about Kane.
23:31And that's where you can see it.
23:35So you've played a lot of knockout matches, whether it's locally or even, uh, in the
23:41Asian stages when you played in the AFC Cup.
23:44How do you prepare yourself mentally when you play this kind of matches?
23:47Because the pressure is totally different.
23:50Group study is more like, let's get the job done to get to the next stage.
23:53League is totally different.
23:54When it's a marathon, but tournaments like this, it demands a lot mentally.
23:58So in your case, I mean, in your experience, uh, how do you deal with them?
24:05And I mean, how do you tell yourself mentally when you take on this kind of games?
24:09What do you tell yourself?
24:10I'm like, uh, I like to, to have all my things in a row.
24:15So like, uh, I, I like to watch a lot of videos of the striker.
24:18I like to feel like anything I can quantify, uh, you know, that my sleep is good.
24:23My, my hydration is good.
24:24My food is good.
24:25And that I can see already what habits he has.
24:29Um, so like, I remember we played Vitell and, um, the striker had a tendency to always
24:34do a first dummy, put it on his right and shoot.
24:37So the whole game, I just showed him on his left and he got subbed at the 60th minute.
24:41So these little things, they are quantifiable things that make me feel like I'm prepared.
24:47What they do before they jump, what moment do they, what, how many zigzags do they do?
24:52These kinds of things help me, but you're completely right where they're like really mentally draining
24:57and like cup games, uh, relative.
25:02So for me, 30,000 people in ATK is the same, like Harry Kane's 80,000 in, right?
25:09Cause it's all relative to you.
25:12It's the same that the 500 at a park can be the same, right?
25:16It's what level of importance you put on it.
25:19And sometimes when we had those runs, that's where for me, I have so much appreciation for
25:24what these boys do in the world cup because their games go back to back.
25:27And like, we would play, we played that, um, Vitell game.
25:32We came back to the league and played a game four days later.
25:35We were terrible.
25:36We were diabolical.
25:37We had no energy because the high that we had had from knocking out Vitell, I was exhausted.
25:44And so that's where like a lot of your, it is so physical.
25:48It is so, because you care so much about every single minute.
25:52You do not stop concentrating.
25:53You do not stop breathing.
25:54You do not stop focusing, but there is a massive come down.
25:59And that's why when these players back up group game, group game, group game, round 16,
26:03they get, you, you see some of their errors or injuries.
26:09And you're like, man, the fact that, the fact that Bellingham can play so well four games
26:14in a row, it's why he, he deserves whatever money that he makes.
26:17Cause that is so hard to do that.
26:21So I tip my hat to them, man.
26:22It's incredible.
26:23I'm going to ask you a rapid fire question.
26:25Just simple answers on Gigi.
26:27Okay.
26:28Before I ask who is going to lift the World Cup, who is the best defender so far in the
26:31tournament?
26:43Far out, man.
26:59Far out, man.
27:01I don't know his name.
27:02Number what?
27:03He literally in every single highlight does about 45 blocks off the line.
27:08And I was thinking, this guy's a machine.
27:10Somebody's going to sign him.
27:11And then my favorite defender at the moment, other than Virgil van Dijk, is Stones.
27:15So I just like, I like them both, obviously.
27:19But I feel like Stones is a more selfless defender and Virgil van Dijk is a more selfish defender.
27:26So I would say Stones.
27:27Most entertaining team?
27:33Probably Argentina, Egypt.
27:37Five goals.
27:38Absolute hard attack.
27:39Anything about what team?
27:41Who has captivated your attention, your mind?
27:45Norway?
27:46Okay.
27:48Yeah.
27:48Final question.
27:50For the World Cup, who is going to lift it?
28:00Probably France.
28:02Why?
28:03Because Mbappe is so crazy good.
28:05Their team is so crazy good.
28:06Their run-up is good.
28:08I was going to say England.
28:09I don't know.
28:10It's between England and France.
28:11But you said one word answer, man.
28:12You put me under stress.
28:13I have to.
28:15Good choice.
28:16Knowing you, you will go on and on.
28:19See?
28:19I really can't do the one word answer.
28:22All right, France.
28:22We'll say France.
28:23Okay.
28:24One final question for me.
28:25This is out of the World Cup.
28:27What's your status like with the national team?
28:29Any updates?
28:30Does it have to be one word answer?
28:32No, no.
28:33Okay, thank you.
28:36I know you know how excited I am and how badly I want to live in Malaysia and how much
28:42I love this country.
28:43So, last I heard was before the off-season, I had a call with the coach, with Coach Peter, about
28:52all the plans for the future.
28:54And I went home saying, back to Australia, I said, hey, mom and dad, love you, but I'm about to
29:01start a whole new life and you need to start thinking about moving to Malaysia.
29:04And then I come back here and as of right now, I'm kind of floating in limbo land because Coach
29:11Peter left.
29:12So, did some of the background staff.
29:14So, as of right now, I actually have zero idea.
29:17But I know that I have fit all the criteria that they have done everything.
29:22So, I'm really, really hoping that soon.
29:24I hope for that to happen as well.
29:27Thank you so much, Gigi.
29:28Pleasure having you here.
29:29It was an amazing, amazing session.
29:32I know we can go on and on and on, but that's the time we have.
29:37To all those who have been watching this podcast, thank you so much for watching our shows.
29:42Please do comment, maybe suggest some topics that we can talk about and enjoy the World Cup.
29:48Till then, ciao.
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