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00:11Hello there and welcome to your Tuesday One Show live on BBC One and I play with Willman Kemp
00:15and Alex Jones and tonight we're celebrating historic moments and stories that changed the
00:20world and we're starting with a man who actually helped save the world, well on the big screen at
00:24least. Yeah, Hollywood star Bill Pullman inspired the fight against alien invaders as President
00:30Whitmore in Independence Day and also of course won the heart of Sandra Bullock in the romantic
00:35comedy While You Were Sleeping. And now he's joining forces with Sir Kenneth Branagh and Helen Hunt as
00:41they take to the stage to put a fresh twist on a classic family drama. And someone who loves writing
00:46about family dramas is broadcaster turned best-selling author Lorraine Kelly. She would be telling us why
00:52the stunning Orkney Islands continue to be her biggest inspiration. Also coming up ahead of a
00:57very special documentary charting the untold story of a band that I'm pretty familiar with. Andrew
01:03Ridgely will be here to reveal what happened when Wham! became the first Western pop group to play in
01:08China with hits like this.
01:11I don't want your freedom
01:14I don't need to play around
01:18I don't want nobody baby
01:21Part time love just brings me down
01:25Oh nice!
01:26It's hard not to give it one of them, isn't it?
01:27I mean, I have never seen you do an 80s. Yeah, but it feels good like that. I don't know
01:33what that one was, but they'll all do it.
01:34Not this one! Amazing. Anyway, and talking of game changing events, Roman, to get you in the mood for
01:40England's first World Cup clash tomorrow, we've got a real treat as we relive the 1966 final through the eyes
01:46of
01:47three people who watched that winning match 60 years ago.
01:50So plenty to look forward to, but first we're staying with iconic moments and a man who made a name
01:56for himself
01:57taking photos of some of the world's biggest stars from the Rolling Stones to Kate Bush.
02:01You might even have one of his images on your wall.
02:04And now with the work of Gerard Mankiewicz celebrated in a new book,
02:07Angelica has exclusively been hearing about the stories behind those shots.
02:13Legendary British photographer Gerard Mankiewicz has captured some of the most famous faces on the planet.
02:18For more than five decades, Gerard's portraits have done more than just capture memorable images of the stars.
02:25They've helped to find the cultural moments that surround them.
02:29And now with the release of the new book, Photographs, celebrating his career,
02:33I've been invited to meet Gerard to hear some of the remarkable stories behind them.
02:38So how did you get access to these recognisable faces that we know so well now?
02:44My father was a bit of a celebrity, and so we'd be photographed from magazines as a family,
02:50and I was always the one who wanted to look through the camera.
02:53So we found this little studio, and I just took it over, and I was about 17, I guess.
02:59And then I met Marianne Faithfull, then I shot her first record cover.
03:04Through her, I met the Stones.
03:06And this one here, Jimmy, how did it all happen?
03:10Jimmy was brought to London by a guy called Chas Chandler,
03:13who was the bass player in a band called The Animals and was a friend of mine.
03:17When he came to the studio, he was very quiet, very modest, very humble.
03:22When you look at that portrait, it looks like he's looking only at me.
03:26That's the whole point. He's looking straight at you, and you're looking back.
03:31When you met Oasis, were they just moody?
03:34To be absolutely honest, I thought Oasis were a tribute band.
03:38So I suggested that I did a pastiche of my Rolling Stones on Primrose Hill Between the Buttons cover.
03:45They were just being rock and roll.
03:46But then suddenly they responded, and once they saw the first po-roid, they were fabulous.
03:52Amongst his vast archive are original negatives from the photographs
03:56that have helped establish the careers of some of the 70s most memorable icons.
04:01This is the Pythons.
04:03There was this sort of magic running through them.
04:07They're all playing individual roles, but somehow they're all united,
04:12and I think that's why I've always liked the picture.
04:15And it turned out that these were the last formal studio pictures of the Pythons,
04:20because poor Graham died, I think, about six months later.
04:24Let's talk about Kate Bush.
04:26Yes.
04:27Because you shot her debut single.
04:29One of the things that I came up with was this idea of have her move
04:34and have a big wind machine blow the fabric against her so that she is outlined,
04:39and that's what became the famous red dress pictures.
04:44Well, she must have loved working with you because you went on to do her second album cover,
04:48Lionheart.
04:49Yeah, Lionheart.
04:50So I wanted an attic that had a great big dormer window so I could light it.
04:54So we built this in my studio.
04:56All my focus is on Kate.
04:58You fall in love with the subject.
05:00So when you photograph different artists, there's a style for each of them.
05:05Is that something that you considered as well?
05:07I've always tried to photograph each individual artist in a way that I thought reflected their
05:13music or their look. For me, the subject is the hero. Club Tropicana.
05:21Smash Hits magazine asked me to do a poster. So I came up with this composition. On your wall,
05:27the poster could be one way or the other, and then George would be dominant or Andrew would be dominant.
05:31Keeping everyone happy. Keeping everyone happy. I think they liked my idea. It looked good. It worked well.
05:41Oh, big thanks to Angelica. Such iconic images there, weren't they?
05:44Oh, so brilliant that was, yeah.
05:46And tonight's guests are no strangers to step in in front of the camera.
05:49It's Wham's Andrew Ridgely, broadcaster Lorraine Kelly, and Hollywood star Bill Pullman.
05:56Welcome all. Andrew, we saw that very famous image of you and George there. What were your
06:01memories of that shoot? Well, that was sort of a quantum shift for us as Wham, because previously
06:08we'd been playing with sort of a bad boy's image, which we really weren't very comfortable with,
06:13and that liberated us to sort of be the idiots we were.
06:17Yeah. Very good. It's a good photo. Yeah. Well, Andrew will be talking more Wham,
06:23while Bill will be telling us about drama on stage shortly. But first, we're heading to the
06:27beautiful Orkney Islands, the location for Lorraine's second novel about a character, Eve,
06:32who returned to a childhood home two years ago to rebuild her life. So, Eve is the main character.
06:38Uh-huh. So what drama is she facing this time? Because,
06:42of course, you could read the first one first, couldn't you, and then go on to this one?
06:45Yeah, you can't. The second one stands on its own. You don't have to have read the first one,
06:48but I think you would get more out of the story, to be honest. Well, there she is. Everything's
06:51going really well. Everything is lovely. And then, Wham, from the United States of America,
06:57comes this woman. Wham! I love that. See? Everything was just together.
07:01That's why Lorraine is the legend. But yeah, it's a person who is looking for her roots,
07:07which I know a lot of Americans want to do that when they come back to Scotland,
07:10and she claims that Eve is a relative. Yeah. But she is not all she seems, and there is a
07:16massive,
07:17massive hoo-ha. But I hope that people will stick with it, because there's lots of twists and turns
07:23along the way. And I hope that people will really enjoy the story and enjoy revisiting Orkney again,
07:29because you know how much I love Orkney. It's just beautiful. It takes you to a different world.
07:32It is a different world, and it's almost like a character in the book. And I also wasn't finished with
07:37those characters in the first book. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to, I didn't want to say cheerio
07:40to them. I didn't want to say bye-bye. I guess it's like that when you, when you do a
07:43part,
07:44you sometimes think, oh, I don't want to say bye-bye to him or to Steve. So it's a bit
07:47like that.
07:48Yeah. And Bill, we know Montana is somewhere that inspires you, isn't it?
07:53Yeah, yeah. I was lucky to, I wasn't born there, but I got there in my college years and
08:01have had long history. And my brother has now moved out there. He's a doctor,
08:05and we have ranch together for about 35 years. Oh, you're a cowboy?
08:08Yeah. Oh, with a hat and everything. Yeah.
08:11Yeah. Fantastic. You know, we keep a low profile. We don't wear the cowboy hats. We wear the field
08:17hats, you know. Oh, the field hats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a wild
08:25thing because now there's some movies being shot in the Taylor Sarandon series. Of course. Yeah.
08:30The story and all that, yeah. So that brought a lot of attention to the place. But I did once,
08:35I have, I shot a Western and we ended up shooting at a ranch that was 20 minutes away from
08:41our ranch.
08:42And so I stayed there and I had a 20 minute drive. Everybody else had a 40 minute drive, so.
08:48Perfect. That's how to do it. It's the small things, Bill, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
08:51Exactly. Little blessings. Getting back to the books, Lorraine. Now, Island Swimmer was big. It
08:57was a bestseller. I mean, you know, flew off the shelves. Was it really difficult then and daunting
09:04maybe to start a second one? It was. It was because you're sort of questioning yourself,
09:08but actually talking to other writers and the sort of community of writers are very supportive. You
09:14know, people at Manning Keys are amazing. And she said, no, that's good. You should feel that it's like
09:19the difficult second album, you know, the difficult second book. It really is. Yeah.
09:23Because you're sort of worried and you've got something to live up to. But, but I loved doing
09:28it. And it's, it's something that I enjoy so, so much. And it's been, it's just been a joy to
09:32do.
09:33Yeah. It really has. Well, I know as well, the people, you know, local to, to Orkney,
09:37they'll be happy because you've put a few special words in there as well. Yeah. There's, there's
09:41three words in there, like, like Duke and PD. PD means small. PD means small. Use that, Bill. Yeah. Use
09:47PD.
09:48What's he, what's dotled? Just a bit daft. You know, just somebody that's a bit scatty.
09:53I love that. But I scattered wee words like that. But my main thing was that people in Orkney
09:58liked the book and relief, relief, they, they did. So that, that was the main thing. That and my mother.
10:04And that's why there's no sex in it because I don't think anybody can write about sex very well.
10:09We all know where it goes and what happens, right? Yeah.
10:11Don't need to read about you, thank you. Yeah. Exactly. Very good. And the book is actually,
10:17though, dedicated to your dad. It is. Isn't it? It is.
10:19Who died earlier this year. Yeah. Sorry to hear that. Oh, no, I needed to do that for my dad.
10:23Yeah.
10:23Because he taught me to be curious and always ask questions about everything, you know.
10:27Because you traveled quite, you didn't go to Orkney together, but you did travel quite a lot together.
10:31Yeah. We went to, we went to visit NASA. You know, we went there. Yeah.
10:35He got me really interested in space. I mean, we both watched the moon landing as everybody,
10:39I'm sure you did as well, you know, out of a certain age, all watched that. And to,
10:43and to go there to where it happened was just incredible. Yeah.
10:47It was, it was amazing. And he got me interested in all things to do with space. So, you know,
10:51when, when, when something like that's in the news, um, I still find myself,
10:54I still find it weird talking about him in the past tense, you know, that feels very strange,
10:59but he did teach me to be curious about everything. Nausey maybe. Lovely.
11:03I like to say curious. Yeah, curious, very good. Curious. Very good.
11:06Well, Lorraine's novel, The Island Secret, is out this Thursday. Now, from Orkney to Stratford-upon-Avon,
11:12where Bill's preparing to take to the stage alongside Sir Kenneth Branagh and Helen Hunt
11:16in Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard. Yeah, set in Russia at the turn of the 20th century,
11:20the story follows a wealthy family in debt, facing huge upheaval when they are forced to sell their home and
11:26land.
11:27So there's tragedy in it, Bill. There's a bit of comedy in it. But you, you really love this story,
11:33don't you?
11:33Yeah, this is, uh, such a great privilege, you know. We get these things that suddenly come into our lap.
11:40And I got a letter. The most amazing letter. And, uh, you get with someone who's directing the play and,
11:46uh,
11:47where it seems to almost know me. You know, it's like they've been reading my mail or something.
11:51How do you know I'd be so interested in this character, Gaev? You know, and I have always loved the
11:56play.
11:56It's about, uh, involved with the cherry orchard. And I've had orchards everywhere since I was 14.
12:03So I, but I didn't really like the younger characters, you know, when I started in college and things.
12:07But all of a sudden I'm reading this letter and I, I've aged into the great part.
12:14Yeah. So, I mean, look, you're, you are, of course, playing a great player. You're playing Gaev.
12:18And, uh, it's a role that Sir John Gilgud, uh, performed obviously at the RSC. Uh, but Gaev as a,
12:25as a character,
12:27a little bit of a baby, would you say? I mean, how would you, how would you put it?
12:31Yeah, I guess, you know, I did a, I did a little bit of AI stuff with that.
12:36Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I wanted to find out what, what were the typical qualities that actors
12:42have when they got into a production? What were they doing? You know? And I really realized that I,
12:48I was, you know, AI, I guess it's, I got a lot of dangers there, but it's basically Google on
12:53steroids.
12:53You know, you get a lot more information and you find, and I really wanted to feel like I'm
12:59think I solidly convinced that I'm going in a direction I haven't, nobody else has done.
13:05Perfect. All kinds of AI. Yeah. One of the great uses.
13:08It may be a delusion of mine, but I'm really, uh, I came late to this because, you know,
13:14Kenneth has champion and, you know, had this idea of what he's doing now. He's doing Tempest during
13:20the day and rehearsing, or at night and rehearsing with us all the day. It'd be like, you know,
13:25performing at night and probably getting another album ready or something, but wow, it's, he's doing it.
13:31And so, and Helen was involved, but this notion of guy came just probably in February or March and
13:39something. So, but it's a great institution. You know, the RSC, I just have so much admiration
13:45for it. And one of the main places you feel it is when you go get a fitting for costume.
13:51Yeah. Yeah. It's just exquisite. No, nothing, you know, spared. And, uh, so it's, I'm excited.
13:58I'm sure that that, that costume fitting must really get you into that role. But I also, I have to
14:03ask,
14:03obviously doing something at the RSC with an American accent. Is that something that you imagined
14:07for your version of Gaia? Yeah. Well, no, it's really is that, uh, Tamara Harvey is the director and she's,
14:15you know, really incredibly creative and, uh, pushing envelopes of, to look at these plays,
14:23not as historical relics, you know, but to put it in our time. And there is, uh, that both Helen
14:29Hunt
14:30and I and the woman that plays our daughter or her daughter is, uh, speaking in American accent. And,
14:36uh, and think that is a whole idea. Well, what about a failing aristocracy? You know,
14:41right now there's a few very wealthy people in America doing way too well, but, uh, there's also
14:46those that are, you know, going into decline, going through a great change, you know, and suddenly
14:51don't have the privileges, uh, you know, it's broadens the scope, I think of the play. So you can
14:56see it from other contexts. I think it's not, uh, I haven't been told not to say, but Kenneth has
15:01a,
15:02has an Irish accent and so class and everything becomes part of it. It's really clever. It does
15:11going on at Stratford, but Andrew, am I right in thinking that you and George, you went to
15:16Stratford on a school trip. We did, yeah. Didn't necessarily see anything though. Andrew.
15:21Didn't see as much of, um, that which we were supposed to as we were supposed to. Yeah. Um,
15:2612th night, I think we, we'd endured whatever it was. And then the second, uh, night was 12th night
15:32and, and that lasted, we lasted about 20 minutes and then went to the pub. Yeah. Cannot condone that
15:37for a school trip. We were, we were. Yeah. Well, actually we were probably under drinking age,
15:42probably 16 we were, so we, we went to the pub anyway. There you go. Again, cannot condone that
15:48on a school trip. No. Uh, you can see Bill in the cherry orchard at the RSC's Swan Theatre in
15:54Stratford-upon-Avon from the 10th of July. Yeah. Now still to come, Andrew will be telling us about
15:59taking to the stage to perform in Wham's record-breaking 1985 tour of China. But first,
16:05does England prepare to play Croatia in their first World Cup match tomorrow? Calm down. Uh,
16:11we are taking you back 60 years to a day that not only made history, but also united in Asia.
16:19July 30th, 1966 is etched in England fans' minds as the day the nation won their first and only
16:26World Cup title at Wembley Stadium. The 1966 World Cup final is underway. The BBC covered the match,
16:34which drew in an audience of 32 million from all over the country on radio and television.
16:40Harry Coventry was one of the cameramen. The excitement was actually intense,
16:47and you could feel it in the air almost. It was electric.
16:57That excitement got through to everyone. The cameras, the sound, the sight of Wembley Stadium with 97,000
17:06people in. It was incredible. We'd done those matches before, we'd seen everything else, but being there,
17:13that final match with those crowds and that situation was, it took some getting used to.
17:22Germany had taken an early lead, but then striker Jeff Hurst equalised.
17:31The match fell squarely in the summer holidays and England hadn't been expected to reach the final,
17:36so the country was caught off guard. Many fans had to improvise.
17:41Ten-year-old John Duckworth was on a family camping holiday 300 miles from home in Dorset.
17:47My dad had this idea that there would be a television rental shop somewhere in Bournemouth.
17:53He found some street to drive down, found a radio rental shop, pulled up outside watching through
17:59the window and a few other people turned up as well. Then the second half came around and at some
18:06point the shopkeeper came out and said to all those outside, well would you like to come inside and
18:11watch? Well, of course, so everybody goes inside. I remember all the shouting and excitement when
18:18goals were scored. And England 2-1 in the lead now, deservedly so because they've been piling on the
18:24pressure. But that was a fabulous experience. There was a lot of camaraderie, very gentlemanly,
18:30so that sort of atmosphere, but people didn't stop talking about it and still haven't. At full time,
18:39it was a draw. Peggy Chamberlain from High Wycombe had never even watched a football game before she
18:46caught the match. I was off on the first holiday with my then fiancee. There was a group of Germans
18:53also on holiday staying in the hotel at the same time. The hotel had moved all the furniture around
19:02this very small black and white television, which was probably the only one in the hotel.
19:08The match was tense in extra time until Geoff Hurst gave England a 3-2 lead.
19:16It was getting really exciting because he would have definitely won if England had got the next
19:23goal. But if Germany had got the next goal, then it would have been 3-3. So everybody was on
19:30edge.
19:31But Hurst was already heading down the pitch to score again.
19:42This will be the one thing that I pick out as the highlight of my career. It's the one thing
19:51that if I'm remembered for anything, it's just being on that camera in Wembley on the World Cup final.
20:00The World Cup final was my earliest memory of watching a live game, being with my dad and being
20:06able to watch that. It stays with you. To get off to a great start like that on your football
20:12journey through life. I mean that was excellent. They congratulated us, shook our hands, bought us a
20:18drink. We then bought them a round of drinks and we all stayed like that in the hotel bar until
20:26well
20:27after closing time should have been. But I suppose if you're only going to see one football match in
20:33your entire life, that wasn't a bad one to see, was it?
20:45Well, not to get ahead of myself, but that's made me think we're going to do it.
21:17So there you go.
21:18We got the win.
21:19We got the win. That's the most important thing. And I'm away tomorrow.
21:22That's what I was going to say. You're heading out to Boston.
21:24I know. I'm doing the show tomorrow and then I'm going to Boston for the Monaco game.
21:27So I can't wait. It's going to be amazing.
21:29Fantastic.
21:29I think Scotland have taken over Boston.
21:30Are you going full face paint?
21:31I took the whole thing. The whole absolutely head to toe.
21:36I can't wait. It's going to be amazing.
21:37And Ben, we know you're an American football fan. World Cup? What did you get in the sweepstake?
21:42Well, in the sweepstake, South Africa.
21:45Oh, yeah.
21:46OK.
21:47And Ecuador.
21:48Ecuador's not bad, then.
21:49I'm ready to go.
21:50Yeah, I'm already. The fever is rising.
21:53Yeah, very good.
21:54Well, football also features in Wham's new documentary all about their groundbreaking tour of China in 1985
22:00before we find out more from Andrew.
22:03Here he is showing off his impressive football skills during a kickabout between shows.
22:09It was a blast. Andrew was quite a decent footballer.
22:16George, not so adept.
22:19He's a very competitive man, don't you know?
22:23But Andrew was always a bit more nifty.
22:32I mean, it's moments like that, Andrew. It would just be so nice for everyone, right?
22:38Yeah, that moment was sort of a rare moment of relaxation and informality on what was otherwise quite a formal...
22:49..the whole trip.
22:51Yeah.
22:51There was quite a lot of formality to be observed one way or another.
22:55Yeah, absolutely.
22:56So, I mean, look, my mum obviously has told me countless stories of this trip.
23:01But Wham, they were the first Western pop group to play in China.
23:05At the time, did you know how significant it was?
23:10Yes, we were aware of that.
23:13The Chieftains, actually, the Irish Folk Band had toured there in 1983,
23:18but we were the first pop group to go there and we were aware of that.
23:23It was... We went there to raise our global profile.
23:29George wasn't a great fan of touring at that point in time
23:33and he'd also suffered with polyps on his vocal cords in the previous tour in 1983.
23:38So he was wary of touring too extensively.
23:41And at that point, to consolidate our success in the States,
23:43that's what we'd have had to have done.
23:45And so our Machiavellian, that's probably the wrong word,
23:50but our very forward-thinking manager, Simon Apeville,
23:56conceived the idea of going to China as something that would give us global coverage.
24:02Absolutely.
24:02And what was it like in performing to crowds who might not necessarily have heard your music before?
24:08Well, it wasn't the usual sort of response that we'd been used to from an audience,
24:15but a different culture.
24:20I think there were certain...
24:23They had to observe a kind of a protocol that wouldn't have been in place in a show in the
24:32West.
24:33So I think a lot of natural response was perhaps suppressed.
24:40And it was, yes, it was strange to us.
24:43I think George felt that oddness a little more than I did.
24:48I think we had to expect it was going to be different, and it was.
24:52Yeah.
24:52They look like they're enjoying, but quietly.
24:54Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:56Lorraine, you were a big one, and you remember this, don't you?
24:59I remember this so vividly because it was such a groundbreaking thing to do.
25:03And even although it must have been really strange for you, you broke down barriers.
25:07That's where music can really break down barriers.
25:10Yes.
25:10You don't know.
25:10You must have touched so many people with your music that would have gone on to
25:14maybe try somehow in that regime to try and find out more.
25:17Very much so, yeah.
25:19One of the reasons for making this new telling of our trip was to find out the legacy.
25:27What did it mean to the people who were at the shows, who experienced the way out in life?
25:34What did it, what was the consequence, what was the legacy?
25:37And that's something that we were able to discover.
25:40It was important for us to be able to do that.
25:42It was important for me personally to do that.
25:43And yes, you're absolutely right.
25:44You know, the, it did change lives.
25:48One of the biggest performers in Japan, rock stars called Sui Tian, I think his name is,
25:58uh, as big as Springsteen, uh, he, he was at the show.
26:04It changed the course of his life.
26:05Wow.
26:06So, um, that, that is, is very moving.
26:09And, uh, it was an extraordinary honor to be able to sort of meet those people for whom,
26:16you know, WAM shaped their futures.
26:18Yeah.
26:18Absolutely.
26:19Um, recently, uh, Andrew, you, uh, accepted an award on George's behalf.
26:25He was honored with the fellowship of the Ivers Academy.
26:27I mean, that, that is some award as well.
26:30Some greats, uh, obviously have been honored with that.
26:32How emotional was it for you?
26:33Yeah, it was, uh, uh, a very moving experience for me.
26:37Um, the Ivers actually were one of the first, um, one of the first awards we picked up together
26:43as songwriters in, in 1985, it was, uh, that was my first visit back.
26:49And, and in between now, he won a, an armful of the things, as you can imagine.
26:54And it was, but to be inducted as a, as a fellow,
26:57um, into the fellowship, he would, he would have been very, very, um, flattered by that,
27:02you know, to be put in the same company as some of his, some of the songwriting heroes.
27:06Yeah, well, well deserved.
27:08Yeah.
27:08Um, and Wham! 10 Days in China is in cinemas from the 28th of July,
27:13and on the 29th of August, you can watch it all on BBC Two.
27:16That's all we've got time for. Big thanks to our guests.
27:18Uh, we're off air tomorrow for the World Cup, but we are back on Thursday in BBC Two,
27:22and we'll be joined by Enola Holmes star Himish Patel, Tyler West and Molly Wainford.
27:27Have a great night.
27:27Come on England.
27:28Bye-bye.
27:29Bye.
27:29Bye.
27:30Bye.
27:30Bye.