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Rumours of a fresh rebellion within the Shiv Sena (UBT) have surfaced after five out of nine Lok Sabha MPs skipped a meeting called by Uddhav Thackeray at Matoshree.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching NewsTrack with me, Maria Shaquille.
00:03A familiar political script appears to be making a comeback.
00:07Rebellion is brewing from east to west.
00:09First cracks emerged within the Trenumul Congress.
00:12Now the spotlight has shifted to Maharashtra and Uddhav Thakre's Shiva Sena.
00:17Four years after Eknath Shinde's dramatic rebellion split the Shiva Sena
00:22and altered Maharashtra's political landscape,
00:24whispers of another revolt are growing louder.
00:28Is Uddhav Thakre once again battling dissent from within?
00:32A meeting intended to project unity and strength at Matoshri
00:37has instead triggered a fresh round of speculation.
00:42Five MPs were absent.
00:45Reports are that they came online, that they came via Zoom.
00:49Rumours of Operation Tiger is gathering pace
00:53and the Shinde camp is wasting no time in rolling out the welcome mat
00:58for disgruntled leaders.
01:00Are we witnessing the opening scenes of a political rerun
01:04that Uddhav Thakre knows all too well?
01:08Or is this a carefully crafted perception battle
01:11designed to keep Uddhav Thakre on the defensive?
01:15And can Uddhav keep his flock,
01:17whatever is left after the last split, together?
01:20As he faces perhaps his strongest political test yet.
01:25Before I bring in the panel, take a look at this report.
01:31If the last two weeks were about the rebellion in the TMC,
01:35the focus has now shifted to Maharashtra,
01:38where rumours of a second split in Uddhav Thakre's Sena
01:41are once again raising political temperatures.
01:46Four years after Eknath Shinde's rebellion shook the Shiv Sena,
01:50Uddhav's camp is battling fresh questions over its unity.
01:53What was supposed to be a show of strength on Sunday
01:56turned into a political setback for Uddhav Thakre.
01:59In a bid to silence rumours of a split,
02:02the Sena UBT chief had called a meeting of his MPs at Matoshree.
02:06But five out of nine Lok Sabha MPs skipped the meet.
02:28Five MPs skipping the meet has sparked fresh speculation of a rebellion.
02:32Adding to the buzz,
02:34Shiv Sena UBT MP Sanjay Deshmukh
02:36was seen in a closed-door meeting with the union minister Pratap Rao Jadav
02:40from the Shinde Sena camp.
02:42While Deshmukh claimed the meeting was related to a college matter,
02:46the political chatter around a possible split only intensified.
03:03The Shinde faction has done little to dismiss the speculation.
03:28However, the Uddhav Sena has rejected all claims of a split.
03:32The Shinde Sena form 9 timesEd
04:05So, it's the same thing.
04:05Uddhav Thakre has made it clear to his party colleagues that those who wish to leave
04:10are free to do so, while the party maintained that the Sena UBG remains united.
04:15The scars of the 2022 rebellion have still not healed and the rumours of another split
04:21have reopened old wounds in the battle for the Shiv Sena's legacy.
04:26With Ritwik Bhalekar, Bureau Report, India Today.
04:31And let me bring in the guests who are joining me now.
04:33Sushma Andare is Deputy Leader and Spokesperson of Shiv Sena Uddhav Bhala Saab Thakre Group.
04:39Shaina N.C. is the leader of the Shiv Sena.
04:42Chitra Batam is National Spokesperson of the Congress Party.
04:45Rohit Chandra Varkar is a senior journalist who has been tracking Maharashtra politics for years now.
04:52Let me begin with you, Ms. Andare.
04:53He goes on to say, I am looking at what Uddhav Thakre has said.
04:57If they want to go, let them go.
04:59He goes on to say, what is the point of forcing someone to stay if they already want to leave?
05:04Why is Uddhav Thakre putting his own MPs through a loyalty test?
05:13Now, what is going on in Indian political scenario?
05:17I think this is not surprising because the modus operandacy is same in all over India.
05:23First break away half or more people from the original party, then form the other separate group,
05:30then declare them that they claim themselves that we are the original people.
05:37Then one of them becomes the leader and extends support to BJP.
05:41First Shiv Sena, then NCP, then Trenmul Congress, maybe tomorrow it can be with AAP in Punjab also.
05:52The modus operandacy is the same.
05:54The script is same.
05:56Even the, whenever it happens, it's going to happen.
06:00Every time it happens, every time it happens, it's going to be given a script.
06:05So you are also prepared?
06:08No, you are prepared to split it.
06:10No, no, it's not prepared.
06:14It will be split or it will not happen, it will not be explained.
06:18But it is so important to explain,
06:20that when these things happen, there is one thing that BJP is a very free,
06:27that BJP and the parliamentary democratic system,
06:32it will not be able to win the election.
06:35The bill of delimitation is the time that BJP has won the bill.
06:38The bill of delimitation is the time that BJP needs more and more power.
06:43Especially for the rules of the rules of the city,
06:45and for the rules of the city,
06:48whenever the rules of the city,
06:50sometimes, sometimes, and the NCP people of the people of the country.
06:53Sometimes, they just need to include this.
06:54Because BJP has not been able to produce it for itself.
06:58It is so stock for BJP themselves,
07:02that now people will be ìµœê³ .
07:06China NC, you know, most of the regional parties are now prepared for what is appearing to be a familiar
07:12script.
07:13TMC, Aam Admi Party, now Dav Thakre group, again heading for what seems to be an imminent split just ahead
07:22of the monsoon session of parliament.
07:24So what exactly is happening here?
07:30So, Maria, let me please say, why are we speculating?
07:33We are not interested in poaching any leaders from any party or breaking any party.
07:38The popularity of Eknadji Shinde is known to one and all.
07:42Every single day we have Paksha Pravesh, which is people from Latur, Jalna, Aurangabad, Akola, Amravati, Jalgaon, all across the
07:52state join him and his leadership.
07:55And that is because there is only one operation going on and that is called operation development, operation progress.
08:04Operation Pragati.
08:05What is this operation title then?
08:07Let me please answer.
08:37So, probably they should sole search.
08:39They should introspect who is meeting online, who is meeting offline, who is reachable, who is promising, who is not
08:45reachable.
08:45That is their problem.
08:46Every constitutional provision that you talk about, if you talk about even TMC, just 30 seconds, you had 15 years
08:56of a syndicate Raj and gross corruption.
08:58If their members of parliament have seen even normal public coming out on the street and calling them chod, chod,
09:05chod and they choose to move out, it is their fundamental right and a constitutional provision.
09:11I don't want to get into any speculation because our party leadership is very clear.
09:16We will continue to serve the people of Maharashtra and our actions clearly speak louder than words.
09:22The question would be, if you can't get your house in order, if you can't keep your MPs with yourself,
09:29why blame the other group?
09:31Politics is about opportunism.
09:35This is what they are trying to do.
09:36Here is Udhav Thakere, who is urging his absent MP, Nagesh Ashtikar, from Hingoli to clarify his loyalty within the
09:47party.
09:48So, if you are putting your MPs through a loyalty test, you certainly do not trust your MPs.
09:55If Udhav Thakere cannot keep his house in order, why blame the other Shinde Sena?
10:04I can totally understand that everything is fair in love and war and politics also, and the politics in these
10:11days, particularly what is going on.
10:14I am not blaming to anyone, but Shinde Sena has said that we are interested in progress and development.
10:25What kind of progress and what kind of development are you doing, when we have been down to 94 rupees.
10:31We have been down to 94 rupees, and we have been talking about progress.
10:35We have been talking about progress.
10:36People say that Ukraine can be able to stop the power of the country.
10:40They can't take the paper properly.
10:43They can't stop the paper from the paper.
10:47What kind of progress and development do you have to do?
10:50In Malaysia, there are drugs cases in this case.
10:54The most important name in this case is the leader of the party.
11:23The real focus is not on development it is
11:28It is it is not or on development according to a shinde
11:34According to the talk a group is not on the progress or development as you are claiming
11:39It is rather on the other side that you are trying to engineer
11:44This kind of defection to strengthen your numbers
11:51Look we are not interested in any regressive negative modus operandi
11:56We are very clear we are here for development when I say development
12:00How did the trans harbour link how did the navasheva link how did the atal setu the samrudhi highway the
12:06airports the metros
12:08The kind of connectivity we have the missing link all of this has a vision plan and that vision plan
12:14is implemented
12:15Probably the opposition needs to first soul search and introspect
12:19Why its leaders and why its cadre wants to leave them
12:22Is it because of gross arrogance or is it because of their own wrongdoings
12:27Or is it because they see no future it's their prerogative
12:31It's not ours we will focus on our party we will focus on what we want to do for maharashtra
12:36And please let me please tell sushma tai that the own leaders from her party who come to eknat shinde
12:44ji come with that same intent
12:45That please do help us too because he is such an action-oriented person
12:50I am not getting into any speculation. Nobody wants to coach. Nobody wants to pitch
12:55I am only saying two things maria that there can be lots of deliberations
12:59There can be lots of political discussions, but we will not leave the course which is the course of development
13:04and progress
13:05Okay, let me let me bring in the other two other two guests who are joining us and waiting rather
13:10very very patiently chitrabatham and Rohit chandra worker chitrabatham your thoughts on the developments in the state
13:16It certainly appears that before the monsoon session the government has its agenda clear
13:22They want the numbers to perhaps ensure passage of some very very critical bills
13:27And whether it is coming from udaf
13:29udaf sena
13:31These mps who are defecting why should the bjp be blamed for or it is coming from the trinamool congress
13:37If they are angry with abhishek banerji and they have questions about the manner in which he functioned
13:42They are coming with an extending support to the nda the more the merrier
13:46Why should anybody why should the bjp be blamed from exchange, you know if they are
13:51Expanding
13:54Good evening maria. Good evening to everybody
13:57Uh maria. I think the bigger question that should haunt every one of us is that why all of this
14:04is happening after two years of viatis
14:07Uh, so as uh, my fellow panelists sushmadi has mentioned
14:11This is because of the unfulfilled dream of the hindu rashtra that they had seen during the 2024 loksabai elections
14:19And were completely that got completely shattered because of the manner in which they asked for ap ki bar char
14:25so par
14:26And the manner in which they wanted to amend the constitution
14:29This entire exercise is being done to facilitate that same thing
14:33The delimitation bill that was brought in uh in the parliament uh two months back uh in the disguise of
14:40a women's reservation bill
14:42Uh, fell flat on the bjp's face uh due to a united opposition
14:47Now they want to kind of you know bring in the delimitation bill again
14:52And they want to ensure that by having all these mps support them through the backdoor entry
14:58Now they want to ensure that the delimitation bill will uh pass the constitution because it needs a special majority
15:05of 352
15:06Uh votes uh, which they couldn't garner under any circumstances
15:10Okay, so this is essentially this is essentially good to get two-third in the loksabai is what is being
15:16alleged by the
15:19Okay, okay, okay, so let me let me let me now let me now uh
15:31Bring in rohit chandra worker rohit chandra worker
15:34Uh, many would say that this was waiting to happen
15:37That it was only a matter of time
15:41What's your reading?
15:43Uh, well, first, uh, let me uh
15:45Tell you the breaking news part of this is that, uh, you know
15:49It's almost certain that before the next foundation day celebration of
15:54Do thakre and ikna thakre shiv sena bahasab thakre shiv sena that is
15:5919th of june
16:00We are hearing from insiders that six to seven mostly seven
16:05Members of loksabha maria of uh, the thakre shiv sena are going to cross over to ikna thakre's party
16:12That's almost clear
16:13Almost certain now. I can say that with fair bit of certainty. That is the big news
16:18Uh, the panelists here may be saying, you know, they don't know about this
16:22They are not sure whether the defections will happen or whatever, but it's happening. That is for sure
16:27Second part is we are also hearing that similar kind of
16:32Uh, break in the uddav thakre shiv sena might happen at the state assembly level also
16:39There is a talk that about 15 to 16 mla's of uddav thakre shiv sena
16:44may be crossing over to ikna thakre's party before the monsoon session of
16:49Maharashtra assembly or during the session
16:52Some some uh, some are saying that is not confirmed yet, but there is buzz about that also
16:57So this is this is you know a very tough period for uddav thakre
17:02Remember the month of june has somehow always been very disturbing and very
17:07uh, kind of eventful
17:10In a negative way for uddav thakre four years ago in the month of june
17:14He had to resign as chief minister of maharashtra after ikna thakre shinde took away 40 uh
17:20Of his mlas to guhati and then to goa and other places and announced
17:25That he was the real shiv sena
17:28In the month of june again on night before 19th, perhaps which is shiv sena's foundation day
17:33Both parties will hold their celebration events and it will become very clear whether these seven mps i'm seeing
17:41Are wrong
17:42Why is it last point that uddav thakre is not able to hold on to his mps?
17:48Why is it yeah, i'll come i'll come to that i'll come to that last point is we are hearing
17:52for sure that two
17:53Members of look sabah one is south mumbai
17:57Member of parliament arvin savant and second is south central mumbai mp
18:03Mr anil desai they are staying back with uddav these two will stay back with uddav this is what you
18:09will see unfolding in the next three days
18:11Now the reasons that we are looking at are multiple and whatever the panelists are here are saying you know
18:19All of it may be true
18:20It is also true that some of these mps were unhappy with uddav thakre's leadership
18:25It is also true that ikna thinde is promising them certain things in their constituencies
18:31It is also true that funds
18:33Release of funds has become a big issue with opposition
18:38Members of parliament or members of assembly in maharashtra
18:41There are too many things that are complicated. Maybe there are some cases against a few of them
18:46So everything comes together. I'm not saying that any of the panelists that are mentioning things on this
18:53In this discussion are not true
18:55All of it, you know, it's a combination of everything. Why are these people crossing over to the ndf world?
19:01Everything is true. Whatever these panelists are saying that is true
19:06Whatever, uh, sushma andherei said that might be true. Also pressure part of it
19:11Whatever shahina ncg is saying that might be also true that there are temptations
19:15That you know project development projects will be done and all of that
19:1920 mlas only
19:20In the maharashtra assembly you are saying that of the nine in the lok sabha
19:24Only anil desai and arvind saavant are likely to stay with uddav thakre the remaining seven are likely to defect
19:30That's your number and you're also saying that it's likely to happen on 19th or perhaps before that
19:36Uh, we are also already today 16th perhaps two more days to go
19:41It is going to complete and then 19th will be the show of strength
19:4419th will be the show of strength of
19:46Eknath shinde
19:47So let me give the last word to a shahina nc and
19:52Sushmaji i'm going to begin with you shahina nc 30 seconds and then to sushmaji, please go ahead
20:00Look as I said before we are not here to destroy anybody's party. We're not here to poach people
20:06But every single day as I say maria, please look at the paksh pravesh
20:11And look at the kind of fan following that eknath ji shinde has this is not a show of strength
20:16or a shore of
20:18Trying to
20:19espouse any kind of claims as I said the only operation is that of development
20:25We will continue to stay that cause
20:27But the referendum that you have seen whether it's vidan sabha elections or the stanik swaraj
20:32Clearly shows you that janta usi ke saath hai
20:35Jo politics of performance
20:37Ya ne ki who people who move beyond
20:40You know, maybe pari varwad and this could be a case study even for tmc or for other parties
20:45You have seen recently the kind of exodus and people supporting prime minister modi that is because he is an
20:53honest
20:54A hard-working prime minister who has his head and heart in the right place for the country and that's
20:59why so many people are choosing
21:00To align with the nda. Okay, sushmaji 30 seconds
21:05Absolute power
21:07Absolute power go
21:09Can be absolute corruption
21:11Ho sakta hai ki rohi chandavarkar ji ne jo kaha
21:14Usme kuch baate sach ho
21:16Leakin jaha fund religion ka issue ho ta hai ya kuch bhi issue ho ta hai
21:21Tab hara ko apna political survival dekhna pardha hai
21:25Leakin yaha sara jinki wajah se ho ta hai
21:28To bjp ek tarha se bjp trying to heading
21:33Towards the
21:35Absolute majority
21:36Kya ki delimitation ka bil lekar jinn ko agle 20-25 saal tak satta me rehna hai
21:42Woha log by hook by crook ek tarha se
21:46Apni kooshish karte rehenge rehi baat humari ki hum kya karte hai
21:50To mujhe lagta hai ki hum brand
21:53Hum logo ko banate hai hum neta banate hai
21:56Or bjp neta churati hai
21:59Toh jayse churane wale log hai
22:01A party is as good
22:04As the number of its MPs and MLAs and the organization
22:08If the MPs and MLAs are deserting a leader
22:11Then the leader needs to introspect
22:14That is the larger focus here
22:16Just as Mamta Panji must
22:18Udaf Thakre should as well
22:19If this actually happens
22:21Really appreciate your time
22:22Thank you for joining us
22:23Sushma ji
22:24Shaina NC
22:25Rohit Chandra Valkar
22:26And Chitra Patham
22:27On the show that's all from me
22:29On this edition of the news track
22:30I'll be seeing you tomorrow
22:31Thanks so much for watching
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