00:00why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended
00:08because in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive i mean look at the
00:13conversation we're having right now you know like you're certainly willing to risk offending me in
00:18the pursuit of truth why should you have the right to do that it's been rather uncomfortable
00:23uh you've connected a lot with a lot of young men lots of different people but young men particularly
00:26seem to you know find something in your message i'm young man i'd like to be improved please yeah
00:30i want to stop being a pathetic weasel yeah that would be good clean up your room i don't know
00:35how
00:35you can go out and protest the structure of the entire economic system if you can't keep your
00:39room organized what are the limits of that idea though because you can have a lovely clean room
00:43but if for my generation you know we're looking down the barrel of climate change we can't afford a
00:48house some people can't get work university education is unaffordable like there are these huge
00:52massive problems in society in the political economy that are also going to you know screw
00:57us over in the big picture that the clean room isn't going to necessarily fix if you're going to fix
01:01complicated problems you have to learn how to fix simple problems first i want to know what is your
01:07answer uh to young people for some of the really big uh problems facing humanity like the you know
01:15climate catastrophe like economic crisis like the precarious job market because they just don't like
01:21you talk all this much about uh individual responsibility most of us are never going to be
01:25able to afford uh to have all of these assets to have responsibility over so what is your advice
01:31beyond banal comments like clean your room actually rather difficult to answer a question that ends with
01:39your comments are banal politely i would consider that more of an opinionated personal and political
01:46statement than actually a question so why don't you try reformulating that so that there's an actual
01:52question there a trans woman is a real woman i don't really like the way those questions are
01:59formulated you know i don't know what that means what do you mean a real woman well i'm asking you
02:04in
02:04your mind you know depends what you think a real woman is but do you think a trans woman is
02:09a woman
02:12no why not because i think that women are capable generally speaking of having babies and they have
02:19female genitalia and they have an xx chromosome and and i think the biological markers are relevant
02:25interested in people being able to have different choices and um and having equality of outcome
02:31aha well so the overwhelming proportion of people who are in prisons are male now do you want to equalize
02:36that just out of curiosity what about brick layers they're 99 male and the and we've got about three
02:42quarters of of the population now in universities in the humanities and social sciences are female
02:48yeah are we going to equalize that and men men work more longer hours they work more dangerous jobs
02:53they're more likely to move they're more likely to work outside they're more likely to participate in
02:59jobs in the stem fields that are scalable they make more money for those reasons and that's all hidden
03:03under the idea that the reason that men and women make different amounts of money is because of
03:07their gender do you have any comments on the nazi presence at your protest
03:12the presence of nazis and white supremacists assaulting people at your protest do you have
03:16any comments on that yeah i don't like nazis so well that's dip that's highly debatable that's highly
03:22debated actually one of the things absolutely true because there's never been a secular humanist
03:27government on the planet i don't know i think the soviets were pretty sick no they
03:33then with with all with all due apologies you do not know the first thing about what secular humanism
03:39is you should read the secular humanism i'm i'm very glad i put you on the spot
03:45you get my point it's like you're you're doing what you should do which is digging a bit to see
03:51what the hell's going on and that is what you should do but you're exercising your freedom of
03:55speech to certainly risk offending me and that's fine i think more power to you as far as i'm concerned
04:02you haven't sat there and i'm just trying i'm just trying to work that out i mean
04:10ha gotcha you have got me you have got me i'm trying to work that history written the idea that
04:14women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory they haven't had a great time
04:18though have they who has had a great time in history but men have had less of a really have
04:24they have they by what standard by what standard well i'm just saying if you're a woman how about war
04:28took yeah but it took longer for women to get the vote and women belong to their husbands and in
04:34this country one woman dies every week from domestic violence a man dies like once a month i believe in
04:38that same cause like aren't there some clearly obvious things that that uh women are there
04:42there are there are as a result of their gender there are inequalities in the catastrophes that the
04:47genders are subject to and so look first of all we there's some things we got to get straight
04:52history is a rough business everybody had it rough in 1895 the typical westerner lived on less than a
04:58dollar a day which is absolute poverty by today's standards right and so we people were brutally poor
05:04for the almost the entire course of human history it was rough you say well did men or women have
05:10it
05:10worse it's like well you know that's a complicated question but you one of the things you can say is
05:16everybody had it pretty damn bad marxists say well that wasn't real marxism what it really means and
05:23i've thought about this for a long time it's the most arrogant possible statement anyone could ever make
05:28it means if i would have been in stalin's position i would have ushered in the damn utopia instead instead
05:34of the genocidal massacres because i understand the doctrine of marxism and everything about me is good
05:41it's like well think again sunshine not suggesting in the least and have never suggested that there's
05:47no domain for social action i'm suggesting that people who don't have their own houses in order
05:53should be very careful before they go about reorganizing the world which happens in many ways
05:59i see a backlash against masculinity and a sense that there's something that there's something toxic
06:05about what what is this idea of being over what why is society overly feminized well i didn't ever
06:11say that society was overly feminized so if we're going to discuss my views we should use my actual
06:16words women got full legal rights they'll have the right to determine what language i use especially when
06:21it's backed by punitive legislation and when the words that are being required are the constructions
06:27there are artificial constructions of people i regard as radical ideologues whose viewpoint i do not share
06:46that's pure narcissism at work by the way
06:53question for professor peterson why do you feel that someone's personal gender identity and pronouns
07:01infringes your free speech can one not also argue based on your interpretation that professors can
07:08use racial slurs in their classroom um and the that the inability to do so would violate their freedom of
07:15speech there's a difference between saying that there's something you can't say and saying that there are
07:20things that you have to say and i regard these made-up pronouns all of them as the neologisms of
07:28radical pc
07:29authoritarians do you understand that and i don't i'm not a fan of that sort of person and the reason
07:36i'm not a fan of that sort of person is because i've done my homework i've read everything i can
07:41get my
07:42hands on in the development of authoritarian political systems and i know the literature inside
07:46out and backwards and i am not going to be a mouthpiece for language that i detest and that's that
07:56whole patriarchy thing i think you have no idea how pernicious and dangerous it is well no i don't
08:02i really don't go throughout history
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