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00:00صلى الله عليه وسلم
00:04يجعب تحييضا على الوحيد من الأرض
00:05ميوسيقى
00:08ميوسيقى
00:09يجب أن تقول الأحييح
00:12أو أكثر أجل الوحيد
00:14المترجم؟
00:15لماذا؟
00:16مجددا
00:17هذا ما حيث يجب أن ت تفيد
00:18إحباب الإتحدة
00:19يجب أن تقالس تبديه
00:23الشيخ which is inevitable if you try locaux
00:27That produces short term conflict
00:29It produces long term peace
00:31which is a huge advantage
00:33but it's very tempting in the short term
00:37to
00:38circumvent the problem
00:40and pretend it's not there
00:41Do you sometimes avoid telling the truth
00:45just to be kind?
00:48Um
00:48I try to be as kind as possible but-NO
00:53well why wouldn't I just wanna be blue if you can't find the help because then I'm
00:54I'm tempted to because I'm fundamentally an agreeable person surprisingly enough
01:00but I'm convinced that it's better to face things when they need to be faced and to
01:06get to the bottom of things even though that's and of course you have to be
01:10constituted in that manner if you're going to be any I think a useful
01:15psychotherapist because you can't let said things go they have to be dealt
01:19معها Gateway المعاربة
01:21يمكنك ان تحلطة معهم
01:21إنها أدفع بأنك سيئة
01:24ولكن إذا لا تحلطت بنى
01:25سيئة من الزرق
01:26عن اكتفالي وعن تمر من جميل
01:39حالك أنت تتحدث عن عمراء
01:45لماذا يعمل عمراء البحلة
02:18الآن بإنسان أنّ يكون مريفاودًا وينغلقه من كبنة
02:22نرتد من فجرية وإنسان أن توانمتك ومشيئ أن توانمتك
02:25وينغلق الانسلسلسلسلسلل وتأسيس حسناً
02:26وإذا كنسانه فتحناً فعلاً
02:29إنه الكوانب على إسكان فان بلا رخلي
02:32إنه لطيفين. إنه لطيفين و الأساسي
02:36إنه لطيفين وبلايد المقابل
02:37إنه ليس لطيفين ومطلقاً تحلل
02:38إنه لطيفين بإذن كترين
02:40وكذفين عبدين ذلك
02:42وحسن لماذا أصدقائي
02:48وحسن لماذا يكفي على حالي
02:48وحسن لماذا يجب أن أعطاد في مدرسة أجل
02:51وخوصي مؤسس في أزلاء أمر
02:52وقالت بحسن للمزيدة
02:53وحسن لماذا كانت سوى وحسن لماذا يحدث
03:04هذا يستخدم أنه المساعدات لأنه في وقت في مرتفاع ذلك
03:06حقاًا ومحظهر على صفحات شديدة
03:09أنه سهل في مواعقة في هل يقدم سchez قول أين يجب أن دعت مكتنا
03:15في مشاورة صديقة صديقات سنرى
03:20وهذا ما فعلته
03:22وهذا كله أنه نعم ويوضل بسرقة 200-قل وتفقل
03:27كهما يزعله بالفعل
03:28ولكنها أنت قحة لهم
03:29إنها ا Sixteen ذلك أجل.
03:32إنها فإن مجددا ما يتحدثه ولكن ، فهيمد طبيعيه كبيرا.
03:37لكن لم يرى أن تتكوي أن تتكوين مشكلة أي كثيرا؟
03:41ليس يقوين مشكلة.
03:43مشكلة.
03:44هذا مباشرة جدا.
03:44تواسق بمشكلط وحاول.
03:49هذا إصاد مبادرة.
03:51ليست مباشرة.
03:52لكن هذا يكوين تتوقع بعض المواقع المنقضة ويحصل المفتح بالتخارج.
03:56six months ago I think it's a terrible idea, that I'm not overwhelmed.
03:57It isn't a façade that you're invulnerable.
03:59No one is invulnerable, by any stretch of the imagination.
04:03And to stand up and face that is the best route that you have.
04:07Why do you think so many young men are following you?
04:11Because you have, a lot of your audience are young here.
04:13Because I want the best for them.
04:15Genuinely.
04:17I'm encouraging them.
04:18But more than you do for young women?
04:20No.
04:20No, not at all at least.
04:21So why do you think so many are young men?
04:23ترجمة نانسي قنقر
04:53جداً لأننا نظر أن هناك شيئًا سيحارة بشكل مفتوطي وأيضاً
05:01وقالت أقلت يتعلق أعجب أن أقلت أكثر من أكثر من أكثر من المزيدات
05:06الفاظها مجرد للغاية
05:09كما سيتم تحفظ أن تحفظ أن أكثر من مفتوطي
05:11وليه لن تحفظ أن تحفظ أن تحفظة
05:18أيضاً آخر، إنه لا يبدو أي أكثر مسبقاً لأجيزة المنطقة
05:25ونفصل بها إذنًا كما تشد في الوقت الحقيقية
05:29وليس لن تقلق أن الأساسي المنطقة لن تهتم المنطقة
05:33حتى المنطقة التقلقية بما يبدو الآن
05:37وأيضاً لا يقلق أن تجد الهجرية المنطقة
05:41أنها تستقلق قدرانة على الجهة الحقيقية
05:43أنها تقلق على الإجساسات الضوء على طفل من الناس
05:46أحاول أني تحدث بشكل مختلف، وقط لو كانت في محدودة مختلفة.
05:50ما أنت تقنع الأشخاص الآن في تجربة الأساسي،
05:55تجربة في تجربة الأجتماعية.
06:00تلك الأهمية مرات في المجال الدنيا،
06:04وأعطت أنها أكثر مهمة في مجال التعالي.
06:08لماذا تعتقد أن تكون هذا المهم؟؟
06:11المستخدمات التالية
06:13لا نعتقد أنه مأسفلها
06:15هم من أجل التالية
06:17وانا أما لا يمكن أن تحدث إيقافي
06:17وإنن أن نعم من مجموعة من مجموعة من مجموعة من مجتمع
06:21ولنبليح من مجموعة من مجموعة
06:24خلاص نبيل الدين
06:24تُوكرّة الجميع
06:26يمكنك أن يكون حدوية على الجميع
06:27لأنه من سنعا بإمكانية قد نفس الخاصة
06:31كتأ Rhett
06:36وإنما غنقل مجموعة من وجموعة من الشيخ
06:41but that has nothing to do with equality of outcome
06:43those things aren't even in the same conceptual universe
06:46and to strive for equality of outcome is
06:49well it's a fool's game
06:50and likely to be extraordinarily
06:51it has proved to be in the past
06:53extraordinarily dangerous
06:54as well as impossible
06:55so I mean one of the things we know for example
06:59is that I don't know to what degree
07:01it's common knowledge in Scandinavia
07:02but the biggest differences
07:04between men and women in the world
07:07in terms of temperament
07:08and interest are in Scandinavia
07:11وๆ إلى مكس بشكل موافع ويد مجال تقبل محلوات.
07:14الخير إلى أنني يقول بأنني أكثر أكثر أكثر أكثر الحقيقة
07:18دقاء كل أكثر الكثير من الأشياء
07:20الأكثر أكثر المحلوات من الأشياء
07:22كما تتعرض أن تتحق بهذا ذلك؟
07:26إذا أبنى هذه الإخلاق والمحلات ، على سيورةgestellt
07:30من الأشياء بأنpoints ، على الواقع لمدة 30 وقت
07:32مع الاطفل قد ترعب بحيات المعباوات
07:34وما يقوم به هل يشogوني-متابق
07:37ألقافنا بأكثر من الأشياء
07:41وستفعل هذا كل جديد من عالم مع الكثير من الاشتراكات مدركة
07:46ثم تظهرون لدفع مجال لديك ونجات
07:50ثم تظهرون ذلك بإسرابة وإدارة التقلق بالمجال والاستخدمات والدفع
07:54وهي تجد أن تجد كم إدارة الإجارة الإجارية
07:58والكامل مجالات تجد النجات المختلفة
08:00هذا ما يمكنك نستخدم أو؟
08:03إعتقد أن لديك فدر آسابة الصحيحة
08:08نحن أن نحن المنطقة نحن وأن نحن المفهدام ومن المصدرين
08:19إن يحبت الوحيدون غير الفيء لا
08:22فإنني أننا أردنا أن نحن المفهدام
08:26فإنني أجل المنطقة والارضيحة
08:31هي تشاهلات صورة الاجتماعي من وجودي أعطاء بأنه لو cunning
08:37أنها أمي قد يدرون ela, أنها أمي يستشعرها، امي سوف يتشعر فيها
08:45وهذا يهم شيء مهم يهم، لأنه في السلطورY، في المتوكس المتحدة
08:51لإمكانها تشعر فيها، تتشعر في قصة الاجتماعي والنحوية،
08:55شاهدة لتعطيها إلى حاجة لتجارة ضرورة.
09:00إنه مهممها لبعض多فل الصعام، وأيضا مثل للمنين اليوم،
09:05وللتما في رجل المفترض بلادات من الحجم،
09:12يجب أن يجب المفترض بلادات منتج المفترض لهم.
09:20تجد أن تجد أن تجارة تشاهدها؟
09:21I think that equality of opportunity is a perfectly reasonable proposition
09:25I mean I have a daughter and a wife
09:27I do everything I put and many many female clients
09:30and who I've consulted with and helped
09:32and in many cases accelerated
09:35helped accelerate the development of their career tremendously
09:38it's obviously of great utility
09:40to encourage forward striving in young people and people in general
09:46that's not the issue in the least
09:48the issue is the outcome
09:49yeah well then why do you think the outcome
09:53and these countries where the outcome is more equal
09:56why do you think that leads to bigger differences
09:59oh because there's only two reasons that men and women differ
10:02one is cultural and the other is biological
10:05and if you minimize the cultural differences
10:08you maximize the biological differences
10:11so I know everyone's shocked when they hear this
10:13this isn't shocking news
10:15people have known this in the scientific community
10:17for at least 25 years
10:18and it's been replicated in the last month
10:21three times in three separate samples
10:23including in science which is the world's greatest scientific magazine
10:27by a large margin
10:28and it isn't a small effect
10:29it's a huge effect
10:30but excuse me what does it mean
10:33does it mean that Scandinavian men and women
10:34are having more difficulties
10:37meeting each other talking to each other than other places
10:41no not necessarily but it does mean that there are reasons for differences in participation rates
10:47in different occupations that aren't a consequence of socialization
10:50so for example
10:52as is especially true at the extremes
10:54so for example
10:56on average men are more interested in things
10:59and women are more interested in people
11:00and that's actually the biggest difference we know of psychologically between men and women
11:04and even though men and women are quite similar
11:09all things considered
11:10the extremes make a difference
11:11so you imagine that in order to become an engineer
11:14look obviously not everyone becomes an engineer
11:17you have to have a particular temperamental proclivity
11:20to become an engineer
11:21you have to be extraordinarily interested in things
11:24rather than people
11:25well most of those people are men
11:27and if you want to become a nurse
11:29well then you have to be
11:30much more interested in people
11:32than you are in things
11:33and most of those people are women
11:35and so you get differences in occupational choice
11:38that are also by the way
11:40quite great in Scandinavia
11:41especially in the case of engineering and nursing
11:43that are mostly due to biological differences
11:45and you cannot minimize that by social engineering
11:50so and it's not a bad thing
11:52like look one of the things you want to ask yourself
11:54is that what is the purpose of setting up a society
11:57that offers maximal equality of opportunity
12:01and one of the answers is that you maximize people's free choice
12:05and if you maximize free choice
12:07then you also maximize differences in choice between people
12:11and so you can't have both of those
12:14but of course it will have differences in choice
12:18of course because we are human beings
12:20but I can't see why it differs between me and Skavlan for instance
12:27but of course it differs in biological things
12:31but not in choices
12:33because I think more how we raise them
12:36how we live
12:37education
12:38sort of culture
12:40attitudes
12:41form a human being
12:43whether or not they are a girl or a boy
12:47when they grow up
12:48and if I raise my daughter to become a leader
12:52to be self-confident
12:54to have a high education
12:57for instance
12:58I think she will have a good platform
13:00to become a civil engineer
13:01to become a CEO of a company
13:04or to become a nurse
13:05well that is what people who think
13:08that the differences between people
13:09who are primarily culturally constructed believe
13:11but it's not what the evidence suggests
13:14okay
13:15we don't agree on that
13:18the other thing I should say about this
13:20what's necessary to understand about this
13:23is this
13:23this is not a contentious issue
13:25among informed scientists
13:28we've known this for 25 years
13:30and so
13:31and it's a perverse effect
13:32no one expected it
13:34why do you talk then about
13:36you talk about chaos
13:39I mean
13:39is what we're experiencing now
13:42chaos
13:43your book is called
13:44an antidote to chaos
13:45what is the chaos?
13:48well I think the chaos
13:49is the uncertainty
13:51that so many people feel
13:52about the meaning of life
13:53and about their position in the world
13:55that's fundamentally
13:56what I was aiming at
13:57and what I'm trying to do
13:59in my online lectures
14:01and with my book
14:02is to provide people
14:03with a guideline to meaning
14:04so
14:05so one of the points that I make
14:07in my lectures for example
14:09is that
14:09we actually have a biological instinct
14:12for meaning
14:12that orients us in the world
14:14and that instinct
14:16manifests itself
14:18when we
14:19place ourselves in a position
14:21in the world
14:21where we're competent
14:23where what we're doing is working
14:26so that we're not too terrified
14:27and anxious
14:28but also while we're simultaneously
14:30advancing ourselves
14:31and improving our ability
14:33to cope with the world
14:34so for example
14:35if you watch an athlete
14:36a high level athlete
14:37who's at the peak
14:39of his or her performance
14:40you see someone
14:41who's extraordinarily practiced
14:43at what they're doing
14:44and has developed
14:44the expertise necessary
14:46to do it
14:46but then you also see them
14:47push themselves
14:48on that developmental edge
14:50to make themselves
14:51just that much better
14:53and that function
14:56is associated
14:56with an intrinsic sense
14:57of meaning
14:58and whenever you see
14:59anyone manifest that
15:00you are automatically
15:02drawn to it
15:03you see that
15:04when an actor
15:05pushes him or herself
15:06beyond their limits
15:08you see that
15:09when someone speaks
15:10extemporaneously
15:11and manages it
15:12extraordinarily well
15:13and I'm trying to
15:14help people understand
15:15that this meaning
15:18is a true phenomenon
15:20it's not a secondary thing
15:21and also to point out
15:23that most of the time
15:24that meaning is associated
15:25with the adoption
15:26of responsibility
15:27which is also something
15:29that people don't understand
15:30but part of the chaos
15:31is that the rules
15:32are so hard to see
15:34there aren't that
15:36obvious rules anymore
15:37well part of the chaos
15:38is that we're transforming
15:40our landscape
15:42socially, culturally,
15:43technologically
15:44so rapidly
15:44that it's hard for people
15:45to gain footing
15:46and so it destabilizes us
15:48is this the world
15:49you recognize?
15:50isn't the real problem
15:53that quite a lot of men
15:54and also young men
15:56are struggling
15:57to deal with the fact
15:59that women now
16:00are more in control
16:01of their lives
16:02than earlier?
16:03I don't think
16:04that's the problem
16:05I think the problem
16:06is that the idea
16:08that the West
16:10is a patriarchal tyranny
16:12is rapidly translated
16:14into the idea
16:15that young men
16:16who strive forward
16:17are to be regarded
16:18with suspicion
16:19because they're doing
16:20nothing but manifesting
16:21the same sort of
16:22tyrannical power
16:23that has kept women oppressed
16:24for the last 2,000 years
16:26and I think
16:27that entire narrative
16:27is appalling
16:29right to the core
16:30so and I don't see
16:31that it's helpful
16:32to anyone
16:33because making young men
16:34weak or
16:35or a lot
16:35or failing to encourage
16:38them to be strong
16:39that's a better way
16:40of putting it
16:40certainly does
16:41the young men no good
16:42and it doesn't do
16:43the young women
16:43any good at all
16:44if they want to find
16:45a partner
16:45so you're saying
16:46that all along
16:49women and men
16:50have had
16:51the same opportunities
16:52always
16:52no I'm basically
16:54saying that all along
16:55hardly anyone
16:56had any opportunities
16:57I mean if you look
16:59at the history
17:00of the world
17:01things really started
17:02to shift
17:03in about 1895
17:04but before 1895
17:06the typical person
17:07in the west
17:08lived on less than
17:09a dollar a day
17:10in today's money
17:11which is about
17:11two-thirds
17:12the UN cutoff
17:14for abject poverty
17:15by today's standards
17:16and so
17:17what happened
17:18through most of
17:18the history
17:19of the world
17:19is that
17:19men and women
17:20struggled mightily
17:22together
17:22sometimes at each
17:23other's throats
17:24but mostly cooperatively
17:25to keep the wolf
17:27from the door
17:28and the tyrant
17:28at bay
17:29life was very
17:30very very very difficult
17:32and the fact
17:33that we survived
17:34it all
17:34meant that
17:35fundamentally
17:35we cooperated
17:37despite the fact
17:37that we're rife
17:38with stupidity
17:40ignorance
17:40and malevolence
17:41but what's so terrifying
17:42with gender equality
17:43nothing
17:44except when people
17:47gerrymander the data
17:48it's like
17:48what do you mean
17:49by equality
17:49do you want women
17:50to have their free
17:51choice or not
17:52if you do
17:52they're not going
17:53to pick occupations
17:54that are the same
17:55as the occupations
17:56men pick
17:56but we have structures
17:57today that
17:58that women need
17:59to struggle
18:00they need to
18:02take a step
18:04to have the possibility
18:06to become like
18:07a prime minister
18:07as we talked before
18:08we don't have
18:09had any prime minister
18:10in Sweden
18:10that have been
18:11a woman
18:11for instance
18:12we have a lower rate
18:15of female entrepreneurs
18:19men had a higher income
18:21than women
18:21in Sweden
18:22even if they work
18:24with the same
18:26tasks
18:26and we need to work
18:29with gender equality
18:30I think
18:31even in the lower class
18:33in schools
18:33to learn
18:34kids
18:35how to
18:35play with dolls
18:37or how to
18:40boys like
18:42we need to
18:43I think we need to
18:44learn boys
18:45to be more
18:46sensitive
18:46but also
18:47young girls
18:49to become
18:49more self-confident
18:50and I think
18:51that's very important
18:52to build
18:53the problem
18:53the problem
18:54with that
18:54the problem
18:55with that
18:56is the data
18:57indicate
18:57that the consequence
18:58of the policies
18:59that you're
19:00promoting
19:00have maximized
19:02the differences
19:02between men
19:03and women
19:03so that isn't
19:05what it's doing
19:06now
19:06that isn't to say
19:07that the movement
19:09towards egalitarianism
19:10is necessarily
19:11a bad thing
19:12but a tremendous
19:13amount of that
19:13has been driven
19:14not by social policy
19:15but by technology
19:16I mean you know
19:17the narrative
19:18that we're fed now
19:18is that up until 1960
19:20when the enlightened
19:21feminists
19:22developed their
19:23egalitarian doctrines
19:25men had kept
19:26women down
19:27and they finally rose
19:29and the truth
19:30of the matter
19:30is that
19:31from about
19:321895 onward
19:33there was a series
19:34of technological
19:35revolutions
19:35that were
19:36extraordinarily powerful
19:38in their impact
19:39that allowed women
19:40to step forward
19:41free of many
19:43of the burdens
19:43that had kept
19:44them back
19:44in the past
19:44birth control
19:45being one of them
19:46but only
19:47only only one
19:50sanitary facilities
19:51of all sorts
19:52plumbing
19:53had a huge role
19:54to play
19:54tampons
19:55had a huge role
19:56to play
19:56as did sanitary
19:57napkins
19:58all of these
19:58technologies developed
20:00that enabled women
20:01to move forward
20:04to move forward
20:05with less
20:07biological impediment
20:08so what would you
20:09say is the best
20:10period in history
20:12to be both
20:12a man and a woman
20:14oh clearly now
20:15there's no
20:16absolutely no
20:17doubt about that
20:18anyone who would
20:19like to go back
20:19you worry for the chaos
20:20you worry about the chaos
20:22well you know
20:23it's nice
20:24if we could make
20:24things better
20:25than they are
20:26and I would say
20:27that just as
20:28all around the world
20:29we're raising
20:30living standards
20:31at a rate
20:31that is absolutely
20:32unparalleled
20:33in human history
20:34we're also in
20:35danger of
20:36destabilizing our
20:37culture in the west
20:38and I don't think
20:39that's a good idea
20:40part of that problem
20:41you called
20:43you talk about
20:44there is
20:45what we call
20:46the identity politics
20:47yes I think
20:48that any
20:49political position
20:50that puts
20:51someone's group
20:51identity ahead
20:52of their individuality
20:53is a regression
20:54to a kind of
20:55a regression
20:57to a tribalism
20:58that will definitely
20:58become violent
21:00because that's what
21:01happens to
21:01what's an example
21:05of identity politics
21:07playing that role
21:08what happens
21:09every time
21:09people divide
21:10themselves
21:11into tribal groups
21:12I mean
21:12what we're trying
21:13to do
21:13to make peace
21:14is to bring people
21:15under the rubric
21:16of something
21:16approximating
21:17a single identity
21:18a shared identity
21:19and I mean
21:20the evidence
21:21that people fight
21:22in tribes
21:22that's the entire
21:24evidence of the
21:24human race
21:25and the farther
21:26back you go
21:26in time
21:27and the smaller
21:28the tribal groups
21:29become
21:29the higher the rates
21:30of inter-tribal warfare
21:31and the higher
21:32the rates of homicide
21:33and this
21:35you're talking about
21:36this is part
21:37I think it's part
21:38of why you
21:38also are
21:39people feel
21:40some kind of
21:41ambivalence
21:42towards you also
21:44I mean
21:44we call you
21:45controversial
21:46from time to time
21:47and I don't know
21:48do you like that
21:49being controversial
21:50do you enjoy
21:52provoking groups
21:53like
21:53like
21:54no
21:54and I don't
21:55provoke people
21:55I just say
21:56what I think
21:57I just say
21:57what I believe
21:58to be true
21:58well that's
21:59no I don't
22:00have you
22:00I say
22:01I say
22:02what I believe
22:03to be true
22:03and people
22:04find that
22:05provoking
22:06that's not the
22:06same as me
22:07provoking people
22:08if I was provoking
22:09people I would
22:10be setting out
22:10to upset them
22:11and I'm not
22:12setting out
22:12to upset them
22:13I'm just
22:14setting out
22:14to say
22:15what I believe
22:16to be true
22:17and I'm a very
22:18so you're following
22:19the rule
22:20we talked about
22:20yes
22:21and when I'm
22:21talking about
22:22gender issues
22:24for example
22:24and personality
22:25that's actually
22:25one of my
22:26fields of expertise
22:27I know the literature
22:28and it says
22:30exactly what I said
22:31it says
22:31and as I said
22:32as well
22:32it's been replicated
22:34three times
22:34in the last month
22:35the London Times
22:36came out
22:37three weeks ago
22:38and said
22:39that the finding
22:40that gender differences
22:41maximize
22:42as egalitarian
22:43policies are developed
22:44is now
22:45one of the most
22:46solidly grounded
22:47findings ever
22:48produced by
22:49social scientists
22:50so you know
22:51you can make of that
22:51what you want
22:52it's not something
22:53that I particularly
22:53enjoy
22:54it just happens
22:55to be the case
22:56so what are the
22:57fake news about
22:58Jordan Peterson
22:59oh well
23:00the fake news
23:01is one is that
23:02I'm provocative
23:03the other is that
23:05the other is that
23:06I have a
23:08like a right leaning
23:09or a particularly
23:10conservative agenda
23:11and the mere fact
23:12that I oppose
23:13radical left
23:14you are conservative
23:16at heart
23:16aren't you
23:16not particularly
23:18I don't have
23:19the temperament
23:20for it
23:20so for example
23:22conservative people
23:23tend to be low
23:24in trade openness
23:25which is associated
23:26with creativity
23:26and I'm very high
23:28in trade openness
23:29and so temperamentally
23:30I'm not much
23:31of a conservative
23:31at all
23:32and people
23:33who knew me
23:33people who come
23:34to my house
23:35would certainly
23:35not think
23:36that I was
23:36a conservative
23:37person
23:37or if they saw
23:40the breadth
23:40of my ideas
23:41I'm also very
23:42entrepreneurially minded
23:43which also is not
23:44associated with
23:45conservatism
23:46I am a great
23:48skeptic
23:49of well-meaning
23:50attempts
23:51to adjust
23:52large social systems
23:54on the basis
23:54of ideology
23:55but that doesn't
23:56make me conservative
23:57it just makes me
23:58educated social scientist
24:05when are you
24:06provoked yourself
24:10when am I
24:11provoked myself
24:11oh
24:13being called
24:14a Nazi
24:14I find
24:15somewhat provoking
24:16that
24:17I think
24:17one of the most
24:18absurd days
24:19no no
24:19certainly not
24:20one of the most
24:21absurd days
24:22in my life
24:22in the last
24:23two years
24:23and there's been
24:24plenty of them
24:25was a day
24:26probably three months
24:27ago
24:27where I was accused
24:28by one magazine
24:29in the UK
24:29of being a Jew
24:31and another magazine
24:32in the United States
24:33of being an
24:33alt-right Nazi
24:34I thought
24:35well that's
24:35that's it
24:36I pretty much
24:37covered both
24:38ends of the
24:38insult
24:39it's balanced
24:39it's like
24:40yeah
24:40that's right
24:41so you can
24:41average that out
24:42to zero
24:42I suppose
24:43so
24:45I find
24:46I find that
24:47somewhat provoking
24:49but you know
24:50you take the good
24:51with the bad
24:52and I'm
24:53I'm not
24:55I'm not
24:55complaining about it
24:56it's
24:57but it is provoking
24:58is it
24:59is it true
24:59that you have
25:00an opinion
25:01about
25:01about
25:03people
25:06having to
25:07stay married
25:07if they have
25:08children
25:08I mean
25:09we are two
25:10divorced men
25:10here
25:11it's better if they do
25:13it's better for the children
25:14most people would
25:15agree that
25:16that's the best
25:17but
25:18as far as I understand
25:19you
25:20you think that
25:21the laws
25:22should say
25:22that we have
25:23to stay together
25:24oh it isn't
25:25obvious to me
25:25that the liberalization
25:26of the divorce laws
25:27in the 60s
25:28was for everyone's
25:29best interest
25:30now exactly
25:31what that means
25:31I'm not sure
25:32I mean
25:32it's okay for people
25:34to go to hell
25:34in a handbasket
25:35in their own
25:36particular means
25:37of choosing
25:37but we do know
25:39that stable
25:40intact
25:40two parent families
25:42are better
25:42for children
25:43so you know
25:44it depends on
25:45who you put first
25:46and look
25:47I'm not saying
25:47that everyone
25:48who's got divorced
25:49is reprehensible
25:50I understand
25:51that life
25:52is very difficult
25:53and that
25:53it's a very hard
25:55thing to maintain
25:56a relationship
25:56over a very long
25:57period of time
25:58but it's not obvious
25:59to me
26:00that we're better off
26:01for the additional
26:02plethora of choices
26:03so we'll see
26:05but isn't that
26:05an individual choice
26:06and not something
26:07the law should decide
26:08well it depends
26:10to some degree
26:10on whether the law
26:11should advocate
26:12for children
26:13I mean
26:14children really can't
26:15speak for themselves
26:16can they
26:16they need some
26:17authority to speak
26:18for them
26:19and so we do know
26:20like the data
26:21for example
26:22on child welfare
26:23indicates
26:25it's crystal clear
26:26that children
26:27from intact
26:28two parent families
26:29do better
26:30on virtually every measure
26:31that you can possibly
26:32imagine
26:33so what are we
26:34supposed to make
26:34of that
26:34it's irrelevant
26:35it's like maybe
26:36the rule should be
26:37if you don't have
26:39children
26:40then no problem
26:41divorce is no problem
26:42but if you have children
26:43and plus
26:44it's not like
26:45divorce solves the problem
26:47with regards to
26:49your relationship
26:50with your ex
26:51it often produces
26:52a whole boatload
26:53of problems
26:53that you didn't expect
26:54so but I'm not
26:56advocating draconian
26:57measures to keep
26:58people together
26:59who don't want
26:59to be together
27:00that that horse
27:01has already
27:02left the barn
27:02should there be
27:03an age limit
27:04like on the children
27:05where you can divorce
27:06or
27:07well the older
27:08the older the children
27:08are the less
27:09effect it has
27:10so you know
27:11and at some point
27:12they're not
27:12what's the ideal age
27:13then
27:13for divorce
27:16oh 45
27:17something like that
27:19I don't know
27:20I don't know
27:21what the ideal age is
27:24what about
27:24what about
27:25when you were
27:26when you were a kid
27:26yourself
27:27who was your
27:30masculine role model
27:32oh
27:32I think I had
27:34a number of them
27:34but it would
27:34primarily have been
27:36my father
27:36and some of my friends
27:37because peers play
27:39an important role
27:40in development
27:41especially after a year
27:42after the age
27:43of about four
27:44but I would definitely
27:45say it was my father
27:46and how would you
27:47describe his masculinity
27:48well
27:49to your point
27:50he spent a tremendous
27:52amount of time
27:53with me when I was a kid
27:54and they're very fond memories
27:56as far as I'm concerned
27:57like when I was a young
27:59when I was very young
28:01two and three
28:01my dad would come home
28:03from work
28:03and he spent
28:05an hour and a half
28:05with me a night
28:06for a long time
28:08teaching me to read
28:09which has been of
28:11inestimable benefit
28:12with me
28:12and he did many
28:13things with me
28:14you know
28:15we hunted
28:15and trapped
28:16and canoed
28:17and fished
28:17and can't
28:18and
28:20he was a harsh guy
28:21in many ways
28:22he was a disciplinarian
28:23in some sense
28:25but
28:25but he was
28:27very honest
28:28and very good
28:29craftsman
28:30and
28:31and so
28:32I learned
28:33a lot about
28:36trying to conduct
28:37yourself in a
28:38respectable manner
28:39from him
28:40so
28:40were you
28:41were you
28:42a tough kid
28:43or were you
28:44a careful kid
28:45or what kind of kid
28:46were you
28:47I guess it depends
28:48on what you mean
28:49by tough
28:49no I don't think
28:50if you would have
28:51met me when I was a kid
28:52you would have thought
28:52I was tough
28:53I'm kind of a tender
28:54hearted character
28:55and
28:56and I was skipped a grade
28:58and I was small
28:59for my age
29:00and so
29:01I certainly wasn't
29:02physically tough
29:03in the standard sense
29:06because I was small
29:07and because I'd been
29:08put ahead of grade
29:09I was never
29:12particularly facile
29:13at sports
29:14and that was kind
29:15of a problem
29:15I did something
29:16about that
29:17when I got older
29:18but
29:19I hung around
29:20with tough kids
29:21but
29:22that was partly
29:23because
29:24most of the kids
29:25that were in the town
29:26I grew up in
29:27were
29:28were either tough kids
29:30or
29:30were
29:31sort of off the radar
29:32entirely
29:33and so
29:33and maybe that was
29:34a certain amount
29:35of compensation
29:36I could defend myself
29:38verbally fairly well
29:39but that tended
29:40to get me hung up
29:41by my
29:42shirt collar
29:43in closets
29:44and played catch
29:45with on the stairs
29:46and that sort of thing
29:47in junior high
29:47so
29:49is it
29:50is it like
29:52did you come from
29:54an environment
29:54where
29:55where
29:55where weakness
29:57was a bad thing
29:58where self-pitying
29:59was a bad thing
30:01where self-pitying
30:02was a bad thing
30:03I would say
30:04yes
30:04I come from
30:05that background
30:05but that was
30:06that was par for the course
30:07I would say
30:08when I grew up
30:09and I mean
30:10where
30:11where I grew up
30:12it was still a frontier place
30:14in some sense
30:14you know
30:15my town was only 50 years old
30:17and people were
30:19essentially
30:20self-reliant
30:21to the degree
30:22that that was possible
30:22it was certainly the case
30:23within my family
30:24on both my mother
30:25and father's side
30:26and the idea was
30:28but this wasn't
30:29particularly
30:30what would you say
30:31unique to my family
30:33you know
30:34the ethos was
30:37feeling sorry for yourself
30:38isn't going to be
30:39of much utility
30:39you should get out there
30:41and do what you can do
30:42and straighten your back
30:44yes if you can do that
30:46and I got lots of encouragement
30:47from my parents
30:48from both of them
30:49certainly I have a very good
30:51relationship with my mother
30:52who I loved very much
30:53and we shared a sense of humor
30:56which was lovely
30:57and my dad
30:58although he was a harsh taskmaster
31:01also was very encouraging to me
31:04in that he believed
31:06that I could do
31:07whatever I put my mind to
31:09and he helped instill that
31:11conviction in me
31:13in a manner that I hope
31:14wasn't and isn't too
31:17let's say
31:19narcissistic
31:20it wasn't a matter of privilege
31:21it was a matter of
31:23drive and dedication
31:24and effort
31:25and so that was
31:27one of the things
31:28that's so sad
31:29about what I'm doing
31:30you know
31:31I'm going all around the world
31:32and I'm talking to many many people
31:33I've talked to about 250,000 people
31:36in the last six months
31:37and I offer encouraging words
31:41you know
31:41that people
31:42I believe that people
31:43are stronger than their misfortunes
31:45I believe that if you turn around
31:47and confront the vulnerability
31:50that's part and parcel of life
31:51you'll find within yourself
31:53a strength that will transcend that
31:55and I believe that
31:56not only to be true
31:58but supported by the best clinical evidence
32:00and that it's important for
32:02lost young people
32:03male and female alike
32:05to develop a vision
32:07and take on some responsibility
32:09and understand
32:10that they have a vital role
32:12to play in the world
32:13that the lack of their best
32:16hurts everything
32:18and I think that's true
32:20and the sad thing is
32:22that very
32:23there's very many people
32:25who have not heard
32:26an encouraging word
32:27in their life
32:28and it takes so little
32:30to encourage them
32:31that it's rather tragic
32:33you know
32:33I have people come up to me
32:35and I mean all
32:36and by all the time
32:37I mean many people
32:38every day
32:39in the lectures
32:40and on the street
32:41who tell me
32:41I was in a bad place
32:43I was struggling
32:44I've been watching your lectures
32:47I've been reading your book
32:48I've put my life together
32:50I'm trying to be responsible
32:52tell the truth
32:54things are way better
32:56thank you
32:57and so that's
32:59can't
33:00can't get any better than that
33:03so
33:03and that's
33:04that's that
33:10can I just come back to the
33:12divorce question
33:14what is the best situation
33:17to tell your children
33:19we don't love each other anymore
33:21but we're going to stay together
33:22for your sake
33:23so that you'll have
33:24a semblance of a happy family life
33:27or to say
33:28I'm sorry
33:29this doesn't work
33:30we'll continue to love you
33:32but we'll part
33:33and
33:34we'll love you
33:36the rest of our lives
33:37and maybe
33:38we even can be happy
33:39on our different
33:41times
33:42well sometimes
33:42sometimes
33:44often
33:44you have to make
33:46the best of a bad lot
33:48you know
33:48I mean
33:48sometimes the best
33:50possible choice
33:51isn't there in front of you
33:52and I would say
33:53well
33:53it's generally up to
33:55each person
33:56to decide
33:57under the circumstances
33:58which of those pathways
34:00forward
34:00would be likely
34:01to cause the least amount
34:02of misery
34:03for
34:04well
34:05you know
34:05for you
34:06for your wife
34:06for your kids
34:07you know
34:07you have to balance
34:08all of that out
34:09that's not an easy thing to do
34:11I would also say that
34:13by the time it comes to
34:15the point where you're
34:17divorcing
34:18all you may have left
34:20are one of two
34:22suboptimal choices
34:23and you know
34:24so part of what I do
34:25as well
34:25is to try to lecture
34:26about
34:27what sort of
34:29interactions
34:29might facilitate
34:31a marriage
34:32such that
34:33it's less likely
34:34to end up
34:35in a situation
34:36like that
34:36now sometimes
34:37people have
34:38irreconcilable
34:39differences
34:39and there's nothing
34:40that can be done
34:40about it
34:41but often
34:42people are not
34:43good at negotiating
34:45partly because
34:46they don't
34:47they won't admit
34:48what they want
34:50because then they know
34:51that
34:51then they know
34:52if they're not getting it
34:53they make their criteria
34:54for failure clear
34:55and that frightens them
34:56so they keep themselves vague
34:57because they don't know
34:58what they want
34:59they can't communicate
35:00it to their partners
35:00and they don't know
35:01how to do that anyways
35:02because they're not very good
35:03at negotiating
35:03and then they avoid conflict
35:05and so then the conflict
35:07because when you avoid conflict
35:08all you do is store it up
35:09for the future
35:10and you know
35:11I've seen lots of people
35:12on the brink of divorce
35:13and in horrible marital situations
35:16horrible family situations
35:17and you know
35:19they have 25,000 disputes
35:22that haven't been settled
35:23and at that point
35:25it's like
35:27maybe divorce is the best option
35:29but that doesn't mean
35:30that it was the best option
35:31from the beginning
35:33so hopefully people can learn
35:34to negotiate
35:35and to tell each other
35:36the truth
35:37and that will increase
35:38the probability
35:38that they can maintain
35:40their relationships
35:41in a stable manner
35:42but
35:43and I'm not
35:43I'm not suggesting
35:44by the way
35:45that you didn't do that
35:46because I don't know
35:46anything about your situation
35:48no no
35:48but I'm a little bit surprised
35:51that you don't take
35:52into account
35:53our level of irrationality
35:55we're super irrational people
35:57when you discuss
35:58it's like
35:59we can all
35:59just agree on these things
36:01and look at the science
36:02and we'll fix everything
36:03that's not how
36:04oh no
36:04I don't think people
36:05are irrational at all
36:06and I think that
36:07it's very difficult
36:08for us to negotiate
36:09and it's amazing
36:09that we ever live in peace
36:10at all
36:11it's tremendously difficult
36:12so tell me
36:14one last question
36:15when
36:16when are you irrational
36:18yourself
36:20when I'm hungry
36:22what happens then
36:24little things bother me
36:26far more than
36:26they would bother
36:27any reasonable person
36:29so that's
36:30and I would say
36:31if you find that
36:32you're irrational
36:32like that frequently
36:34one of the things
36:34you might try
36:35is to eat something
36:36and you have
36:37a peculiar diet
36:39you have your own
36:40you could say that again
36:41yes
36:41what is it
36:42well there seems to be
36:44some sort of
36:45autoimmune condition
36:46in my family
36:47and some of it's also
36:48reflected in my wife's
36:49family unfortunately
36:50and the culmination
36:52of that was that
36:52my daughter had
36:53an extraordinarily
36:54serious
36:55set of autoimmune
36:58dysfunctions
36:58that caused her
36:59an endless amount
37:01of misery
37:01and destruction
37:02and she found out
37:04about three years ago
37:05as a consequence
37:06of very
37:07very careful
37:09experimentation
37:09that if she ate
37:12nothing but meat
37:13then all her symptoms
37:15disappeared
37:15so
37:16and her primary symptoms
37:18were degenerative bone disease
37:20that had been diagnosed
37:21as idiopathic arthritis
37:23which means arthritis
37:24with no known cause
37:26and she had her ankle
37:27and her hip replaced
37:28when she was in her teens
37:29because of that
37:30and had 38 other
37:32afflicted joints
37:33so it was hell
37:34and she cottoned on
37:36to the fact
37:36that diet
37:37had something to do
37:38with it
37:38for a variety of reasons
37:39I can't go into
37:40and radically
37:42restricted her eating
37:43and all her symptoms
37:45disappeared
37:45so that is why
37:46you do it
37:46yes
37:47well I had
37:47many but not all
37:49of the same symptoms
37:50and I watched
37:51what happened to her
37:52and I thought
37:53well that's impossible
37:55because it was
37:56and she encouraged
37:58me to try it
37:59and I thought
37:59well
38:00I can try anything
38:01for a month
38:02you know
38:03and so I started
38:04for a month
38:05and I had changes
38:06almost immediately
38:07and so
38:09I've continued
38:10with a very restricted
38:11diet for about
38:12two years
38:13and extraordinarily
38:14restricted for the
38:14last eight months
38:15so and that seems
38:17to be working
38:17for me
38:19quite well
38:20even though it's
38:21you know
38:21it has its downsides
38:25Jordan Peterson
38:26it's been so interesting
38:27talking to you
38:27thank you so much
38:28thank you very much
38:29for the invitation
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