00:06This is the morning show, Rise and Shine, Peripinas.
00:11In the past, a lot of people have been recorded with a cell phone.
00:17Some have done this for content, evidence, or personal data.
00:22Pero ang tanong ng marami, legal ba ang lihim na pag-record ng isang usapan ng walang paintulot?
00:32Nako, napaka-importanting tanong yan, Fino.
00:35At ngayon, pag-uusapan po natin ang issue niyan.
00:37Kasama po si Atty. Ruel Ilagan para ipaliwanag at gabayan tayo sa Republic Act No. 4200 o ang Anti-Wire
00:46Tapping Law.
00:46Good morning, Panier. Atty. Welcome to Rise and Shine, Peripinas.
00:49Magandang umaga sa inyong lahat.
00:51Ayan. Parang kailangan ko lang umalis dito. Kayo na lang dalawa, no?
00:56Kasi kayo naman talaga abogado dito.
00:58Pero bilang tagapagpadali ng programa, magandang maipaliwanag natin sa ating mga ka-RSP.
01:03Ano ba ang RA-4200 Anti-Wire Tapping Law?
01:06Paano nito pinoprotektahan ng pribadong pag-uusap at komunikasyon?
01:10Atty. Ruel.
01:11So yung Anti-Wire Tapping Law, ang purpose dito is of course to protect yung privacy to communication ng bawat
01:17individual.
01:17Kaya sa ilalim ng batas na ito, ginagawa nilang krimen ang una, ang lihim na pakikinig, pag-record, or par
01:25-wiretap ng communication.
01:27Ibig sabihin lihim, wala siyang consent ng mga tao or parties doon sa nag-uusap.
01:32Okay. As part of the National Privacy Commission at sorry ni Joe, ano po ang kinilaman niyo dito sa Anti
01:37-Wire Tapping?
01:38Ako, very related. Yung Anti-Wire Tapping is privacy of communication. Pero kung ito ay isa publiko mo, iproseso mo,
01:45ibig sabihin sa batas, ipapublish mo, isishare mo,
01:48whether sa social media o sa amang platform, nang walang pahintulot, kasi wala kang pahintulot na nag-record at wala
01:54kang pahintulot ng pag-publish o process,
01:56then meron kang potensyal na violation sa the Public Act 10173 o yung Data Privacy Act of 2012.
02:02Okay. Mga attorney, kapag may isang tao na nag-record ng usapan ng walang paala, ito ay pinos, ano ang
02:10posibleng pananagutan dito?
02:12Okay. So unang-una, if nag-record ka without the concept ng mga parties, you can be liable for Anti
02:18-Wire Tapping Law.
02:19Okay.
02:20Pangalawa, kung yung recording na yun is in-upload mo, and yung recording na yun, it can contain sensitive information,
02:28you can be liable for yung Data Privacy.
02:32Pangaslo, yung recording na yun could be damaging to another individual, then you can also be liable for cybercrime.
02:39So, maaaring madaming krimen ang magiging liability mo kung magpo-post ka ng recorded communication without the consent of the
02:47parties.
02:48What if ito yung tanging ebidensya lamang mula doon sa krimen na nangyari?
02:53Okay. Hindi ba pwedeng gamitin ito as an evidence kahit na ito ay illegally na na-obtain?
03:00Okay. So one, meron tayong constitutional right. Okay.
03:04Constitutional right, yung right to privacy.
03:06Okay.
03:06Kahit sabihin mong pwede siyang ebidensya sa isang krimen, nabaviolate mo again yung right ng isang tao.
03:11Alam mo, hindi ako abugado, pero I think that's, ano eh, under Bill of Rights, Article 3, Section 4 ata.
03:17Ang galing.
03:17Yes, galing, galing.
03:18Baka pwede na pumasok sa law school.
03:22Okay. Number one, that's number one.
03:24So yun. So admissibility ng evidence, kahit sabihin mo na yun lang yung ebidensya para mapanagot yung isang tao,
03:30it will not be admissible because you violate the constitutional right of that person.
03:35Oh, the fruit of the Poisonous Three Doctrine.
03:37I mean, yun. Aside from that, what else, attorney?
03:41Ulo na yun.
03:42Okay.
03:43Constitutional right natin siya.
03:44Constitutional right, hindi mo siya pwedeng gamitin as evidence in court.
03:47Okay. So site po ng National Privacy Commission, ano po ang pinakapwedeng saklawin doon?
03:52When it comes to data privacy mula sa mga personal information na na-obtain illegally, pero somehow, it would be
03:59used also as an evidence.
04:01Tulad po na sinabi ni Attorney Ruel, no?
04:03Ganon din, no? Whether it's the Data Privacy Act or the Anti-Wiretapping Law,
04:09siyempre, primordial yung ating constitutional law,
04:12rather, ang ating constitution at ang ating saligang batas.
04:15So the right to privacy will remain, no? At hindi siya pwedeng gamitin na evidencia.
04:21Sino-sino po ang sakop ng batas na ito?
04:23Sa ilalim ng batas na ito, kahit sino, pwede maging liable dito, either a private individual or a public officer.
04:30You can be liable under this law.
04:32Okay. It is illegally obtained, pero may chance ba, attorney, na ito ay pwedeng payagan because the public justifies it?
04:40May pananam? May mga sitwasyon ba na pinapayagan ng batas?
04:43Ang mga tuklas ng recording na, or pwedeng gamitin na ebidensya, or yung mismong pag-record o paggamit?
04:50May exemption sa ilalim ng batas, but very strict. May mga limitations.
04:55Unang-una, there should be a court order.
04:57Okay.
04:57Ang pangalawa, very limited kung saan mo lang pwede gamitin yung recording.
05:01Usually, ito yung mga crimes against national security.
05:04Treason, rebellion, mga crimes against national security.
05:07But of course, under certain limitations, and pinaka-importante, kailangan may court order.
05:12Okay.
05:13Hindi basta-basta, kumbaga.
05:15Ayun. Kung mapatunayan po na may iligal na pag-record o pagkalat na isang pribado pag-uusap,
05:21minsan kasi hindi natin manlaman kung siya nag-record.
05:23Ano bang maaring kaharap yung parusa?
05:25O kaya naman, parang natin manlalaman siya nag-record talaga.
05:28May makakasuan ba?
05:30Nagulat na lang ako, hala, it happened.
05:32Okay.
05:32So may criminal liability sa ilalim ng batas.
05:35You can be imprisoned for at least six months to six years.
05:38Pwede kang makulong.
05:39So para makapagkaso ka, unang-una, kailangan mong, of course, evidence, no recording.
05:45O kaya may witnesses ka who would testify na nakita mo yung tao na yun,
05:49nag-record without the consent of the parties.
05:52So ito yung mga gagawin mo para mapatunayan mo na liable yung isang tao sa anti-war tapping.
05:57Okay. Ito bang anti-war tapping act or RA-4200 is just for recording or does it involve also screenshots?
06:06Kasi that's also a form of communication.
06:08Nag-iusapan niyo through messages.
06:10Any screenshot biglang pinose.
06:11Halimbawa may utang ka sa akin.
06:13Ilang araw mo nandibinabayaran mo na sa napag-usapan natin.
06:16Pinose ko pa din.
06:17Ano ba ito?
06:18Sasaklo ba ito sa anti-wire or sa data privacy?
06:21So it could be, there's an argument to be made na pwede siyang pumasok sa Data Privacy Act.
06:28Lalo na kung yung in-screenshot ay personal na impormasyon,
06:31minto sa ipangalan, address, o yung fact na may utang yung isang tao.
06:34Okay. May picture niya.
06:35Or may picture niya.
06:36Tadaan po natin ang boses ng isang tao at ang litrato ng isang tao o video
06:40ay considered yan na personal information.
06:42So it would fall under the Data Privacy Act.
06:45Data Privacy.
06:46Dagdag ko lang, actually, mas mataas yung punishment under the DPA.
06:49Okay.
06:50Kung sa 4200, 6 months to 6 years, sa DPA, may fine pang kasama bukod sa imprisonment.
06:57Abot hanggang 5 million pesos.
06:595 million pag combination yung acts, pwedeng as 2 million or 5 million.
07:04So depende sa magiging violation.
07:06Nako. E paano po mapakapaghain ng reklamo
07:09ang isang taong naniniwalang nilabag ang kanyang karapatan?
07:14Of course, unang-una, ebidensya.
07:16Okay.
07:17Okay, ebidensya ng recording.
07:20Ebidensya, meaning testimony ng mga witneses na nakakita o nakarinig
07:24yung taong ito ni-record without the consent of the parties.
07:27Okay.
07:28So once you have those evidence, then you can now file the case sa prosecutor
07:32and then from the prosecutor, pupunta na ngayon sa korte.
07:35Okay.
07:35Recording ng videos.
07:38Example, yung mga nag-trend, yung mga ex-videos, no?
07:45So I don't know how would you call it, pero let's call it like that.
07:50Unauthorized.
07:50Sinasabing nga unauthorized si pag-record dito.
07:52For that instance, would that fall also with anti-wiretapping, no?
07:56Hindi siya under anti-wiretapping kasi we have to understand.
07:59So talaga yung recording lang.
08:00Recording of communication.
08:01Okay.
08:01Noong bawa, nag-uusap tayo, mayroong chismosa na ka-employees.
08:06The correspondences.
08:07Like for example, letters sa kapangalan sa'yo, kinalad somewhere na hindi mo alam.
08:11Pasok din ba yun sa'yo?
08:11Walang device na ginamit.
08:13Dapat kasi dito may device kang ginamit to secretly record, intercept yung communication.
08:19Without the device, you cannot be liable for anti-wiretapping.
08:22But you can be liable for other crimes.
08:23For crimes.
08:24So hindi kayo lusok doon.
08:26Hindi mo anti-wiretapping, pero pwede RA-10173 or Data Privacy Act 2012.
08:31At kapag sinira mo pa yung tao, pwede cybercrime law.
08:35O kaya naman ay, ano, mamaya may quiz tayo.
08:38Ang galing, ang galing, ang galing.
08:41Parang nai-inspire tuloy ako mag-aral na lot.
08:43Maging segment host na rin.
08:44Nalegal ba?
08:45Siguro panghuli na lamang, Atty.
08:47Well, Atty.
08:48Joe, ano po ang may babayan nyo sa ating mga kabataan at mga profesional upang maging responsable
08:55sa paggamit ng teknolohiya at may wasang masangkod sa paglabag dito sa RA-400, 4200 or anti-wiretapping law?
09:03Ako, unang-una, ang privacy ay hindi isang pribilehyo, but ito ay isang karapatan na dapat natin, of course, irispeto.
09:12Pangalawa, yung technology should help us in improving lives and not to destroy one.
09:18Ako, simple lang.
09:19Think before you click, tulad nga ng sinasabi namin sa NPC, bago ka mag-post, mag-record,
09:23gumawa ng anuman, pag-isipan mo muna, lalo na sa age ng technology ngayon.
09:27Ayan, ayun ang mga ka-RSP, mahalaga po na tayo, hindi tayo nag-record, basta-basta,
09:33nang walang concern.
09:34Kaya pala minsan, pag tumatawag tayo, this will be recorded for documentation or privacy purposes.
09:40If you don't agree, hang up the cause.
09:42So, hindi ako nag-agree, binaba ko siya.
09:45So, hindi mo na nakuha yung servisyong gusto mo?
09:47Wala na, doon na order, okay lang yun.
09:52Karapatan ko yun.
09:53Dapat kayo, ako sila nag-ibigay sa'yo na hindi, tuloy pa rin yung tawag kahit hindi recorded.
09:56Oo, pwede bang gano'n, huwag nga i-record, pero usap pa rin tayo.
09:59Yes, dapat talaga gano'n.
10:00Eh, bakit hang up the call?
10:02Eh, basari makumpan lang yan.
10:03Walang dato, maraming salamat po sa pag-ibigay sa amin ng kaalaman.
10:07At sorry ni Roel, and at sorry ni Jo.
10:09Eh, wait lang, kayo ba na-record na kayo? Hindi pa?
10:12Ako, hindi pa naman.
10:13Huwag naman sana.
10:13Yung hindi saka nais-nais na pagre-report, no?
10:16Eh, mag-iingat tayo dyan, ha?
10:18O, mag-iusap tayo.
10:19Pero itong show natin, live to, recorded ito.
10:22Pwede mapanood ng mga gigising ng alas 8 ng umaga.
10:24With our consent.
10:25Yeah, with our consent.
10:27Ais!
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