La storia di una televenditrice di successo, che riesce anche ad ammettere, con fatica, le sue colpe per poi, messa alle strette, prontamente ritrattare. Un botta e risposta tra la Fagnani e Wanna Marchi capace di restituire anche il ritratto di un'epoca, gli anni '80 con il boom delle tv private, quella che insomma fu una stagione di grandi successi ed eccessi. Belve 01.11.2022
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00:00Vanna Marchi, good evening and welcome.
00:03Good evening, thank you for the invitation.
00:05What a beast does he feel?
00:07Of those that tear to pieces.
00:09If you had to compare yourself to an animal, who would it be?
00:12A tiger.
00:13Why is he tearing himself to pieces?
00:15She said, I'm not even afraid of the devil.
00:19She is not afraid of the devil, because she is the devil.
00:22Oh God, I don't think it's the devil.
00:24No, a little less.
00:25But let's say that with everything I've been through in life, the devil doesn't scare me.
00:32Also because I meet devils every day.
00:35Who am I?
00:37As soon as she goes out into the street, it's full of devils, demons.
00:41From what point of view does he say?
00:45She knows very well that life is difficult.
00:48I don't know her.
00:50In fact, she surprised me.
00:53Looking into his eyes, looking at his sweetness, surprised me a lot.
00:57Why do I have to tell her that when I said I was coming here to her, everyone said, are you crazy?
01:02Call in sick, never go there, she's very bad, she's very bad.
01:06And I say, you know, a lot of people have been mean to me, I don't think I'm any more mean than the others.
01:13We will see.
01:14Her daughter Stefania, she says of her, is a genius.
01:17Her ex-husband, Raimondo Nobile, however, said she is crazy and a liar.
01:21Who is exaggerating or who is right?
01:24Ah, I don't intend to talk about Raimondo Nobile, since thank God he's dead.
01:29Here, a kind word.
01:31Just for the sake of it.
01:32She said, we are all liars, it depends on how.
01:37And how is she?
01:39Unfortunately, I'm not a good liar.
01:42I have many flaws, but my biggest flaw is that one.
01:46I always say what I think.
01:48If I don't like someone and I don't hang out with them, I tell them straight to their face.
01:53That's just how I am, I'm simple.
01:56Is she sincere?
01:57Yes.
01:58He says, huh?
01:59I am.
02:00Is she more loved or more hated?
02:03My God, you should ask someone else, not me.
02:06By perception?
02:07Beloved.
02:09Can you tell me one of your good qualities?
02:12His principal.
02:14Sincerity.
02:15And is that a flaw of his?
02:17True, huh?
02:18Yes, I don't know how to forgive.
02:20On a scale of 1 to 10, how cynical would you describe yourself as if you think you are?
02:27Cynical?
02:28No, I'm not cynical.
02:30Zero?
02:31From 1 to 10 how much?
02:32Two.
02:33But really?
02:34So she's not cynical, she's sincere too.
02:36Yes.
02:38Listen, the word "telemarketer" was coined for you.
02:42Yes.
02:42Do you like it?
02:43Do you like this word?
02:45Saleswoman, I dare say.
02:47She doesn't like the telemarketer.
02:49But that's fine with me too, I mean, it's not that I care that much, honestly.
02:53I don't care.
02:53No, I don't care.
02:56She was born in the province of Castelguelfo di Bologna and was born poor, the daughter of peasants
03:01landless, in fifth grade and he said, I always knew I was born in the wrong place.
03:08Yes.
03:08Where would he have deserved to be born?
03:12In Sant'Orope?
03:14No.
03:15No.
03:15In a big city.
03:16Net of any form of victimization, let's say having lived a life of deprivation in childhood like his,
03:24Did it make her develop a visceral love for money?
03:31As for the money, not so much because, I have to say, I like to challenge myself, to earn money, but then I don't spend it.
03:41not even,
03:41I mean, I don't care, I don't know how to tell her.
03:44But there was a time when she was a little obsessed with money, she earned so much of it
03:48and the more he earned, the more he wanted to earn, that is, did he have a moment of obsession?
03:54No, I'd say no. I'd say my obsession was to outsell everyone else.
04:00I was supposed to be first and I always have been, if you'll allow me.
04:05Isn't there anyone, let's say, who was better than her?
04:08Selling on television?
04:09AND.
04:10Absolutely never.
04:11I once heard a certain harshness said about his mother, she was a very stupid woman.
04:17My mother was a beautiful woman, she looked like Marlene Dietrich, but really very beautiful.
04:24But she was stupid, in the sense that when she saw a man she changed her voice, she changed her attitude,
04:34she was all dressed up.
04:36She's a bit of a perfumer.
04:37Yes.
04:38And who isn't?
04:38And I grew up the opposite way.
04:42Huh?
04:43Yes.
04:44I've always been ugly, so I've relied heavily on being nice.
04:49However, she is very young, 17 years old, she marries Raimondo Nobili, who she defines
04:55the biggest mistake of my life.
04:57It is true?
04:58Ah.
04:58It's very true, but you see, I've made quite a few mistakes.
05:01It's clear that 17 years, forgive me if I was wrong, I paid for it, eh, this mistake,
05:08as if I paid for it.
05:10It's the wedding day, in fact, as they leave the church, her mother-in-law approaches her and
05:16he tells her how ugly you are, my son deserved another wife.
05:20Was she upset?
05:22Very bad, of course, you feel bad, because she understands that on the wedding day a
05:29mother-in-law who tells you you're ugly, you know, right?
05:33Everyone's loving in the family, eh, go on and on.
05:35Everyone's good, everyone's very good.
05:36All loving in the family.
05:38Listen, anyway, yours was actually an unhappy marriage, full of betrayals.
05:45on her husband's part and also full of violence, full of beatings.
05:49Even her ex-husband told Stefano Zurlo, who dedicated a book to her
05:54that he was once squeezing her neck so tightly that she was actually
05:59lacking oxygen.
06:01Were you scared?
06:02I went through a period of terror with that man.
06:06I locked the door, hoping he wouldn't come back in the evening.
06:10My fear of divorce, separation, etc., was people's judgment, too.
06:17because in those days you are a divorced woman, they would point you out in the street saying
06:25but you're the one, but she's divorced, you know?
06:27And so for me it was a bad thing.
06:30It is unthinkable that in fact, let's say, she proposes herself, presents herself to the world with
06:35a strong and determined character, with a certain aggressiveness.
06:39How did he endure such a humiliating relationship for so many years?
06:44Look, I put up with it, I did it for my kids, I did it for my job,
06:48I did it for many things, I mean in life we're all a bit actors, right?
06:53Even more than her, she is actually very harsh, she is very harsh with her ex-husband
07:00and also his father, Stefania, his daughter.
07:03Is there something particularly traumatic in their relationship that justifies such harshness?
07:10similar?
07:11Is there anything more traumatic?
07:13Did something happen?
07:15I would dare say that it would be good if you asked her, because you see, my daughter
07:22of course he saw everything I went through and it's clear that he had, but my daughter
07:29it was, no, it's better that I ask her.
07:32But did she only see what happened to her or did she also suffer?
07:36I don't know, you'll have to ask her.
07:39Alessandro Garramone, who signed the series Banna broadcast on Netflix, told cameras
07:45She is a calm woman, she speaks in a very low voice, she says very few swear words, she lights up
07:50so only when it goes on video.
07:55Yes, I liked the series and the only thing I didn't like was seeing these people
08:06who go around talking bad about Vannamarchi and telling shocking stories.
08:12The other interviewees.
08:14Eh, crazy stuff covered, right?
08:18Well, the victims, that was trial stuff.
08:20Were they victims?
08:21So, listen to me, I have a fifth grade education, okay?
08:25Yes.
08:25I am the daughter of farmers, a simple person, but my father always told me when you have to
08:32you have to introduce yourself to someone or in any case talk to someone or say something to someone
08:38always do it with your face and that's what I've done all along.
08:41Anyway, those, let's say, were people within a process, another story.
08:46No, no, that's the point, not another one.
08:49Well, let's say he didn't like it.
08:50I mean, you expected to find this centrality again, right?
08:56There's a lot of talk about her, the series, the book.
08:59Oh, am I a diva now?
09:00Huh?
09:01Yes, I'm a diva.
09:02Well, I'm 80 years old, why not? I mean, on the other hand, I'm young, I still have a lot of life left.
09:08But has she ever felt like a diva?
09:10No.
09:10Was there a time when you were a bit extremely popular, a bit of a star?
09:14Absolutely not.
09:15No?
09:16If someone feels like a diva, it's because they're a failure. I don't consider myself one.
09:20Let's get to his career.
09:22At first she did all sorts of jobs, like a seamstress, a beautician, but at a certain point she put makeup on the dead.
09:31Is that when you realized you could push yourself a little further, that you could go further?
09:37Go further where?
09:39In his work, that is, he could reach a level of unscrupulousness.
09:45I was already a beautician, I always have been.
09:47Yes.
09:48I went to visit for the last time a very dear friend of mine who had died very young.
09:53Yes.
09:54So at the mortuary, seeing him lying on this coffin, this boy who was very beautiful and this gentleman who was putting his makeup on,
10:06No?
10:07And I thought, but why? And he said to this gentleman, but excuse me, do dead people wear makeup? I do this.
10:15by trade.
10:16She got dollar-shaped eyes.
10:19Wait, wait, because the dollar...
10:21Did you understand?
10:22Did you understand?
10:23Eh.
10:23I mean, but it's a job, it's a salary.
10:27Above all, a salary, he asked.
10:29I mean, I have two children to support, could I do it too, in your opinion?
10:34I leave my number and then, well, a week goes by.
10:37And then they call her.
10:38He calls me and says, look, I have more than 20 deaths, eh, I'm here to do makeup.
10:43What are you saying? Do you want to come? You'll understand.
10:46And she rushed over, come on.
10:47I rushed, I went, but in short it was very hard, very,
10:53It's really very hard because the contact with the deceased person is like a marble.
11:00And he says to me, listen little girl, do you want to earn some money?
11:03So, take this brush, pretend to paint a stone and go.
11:08And anyway, we're in the 70s, she enters the private TV circuit, teleshopping,
11:14rent a space inside this program called Gran Bazaar,
11:18dedicated only to teleshopping and there is his turning point.
11:23It started out as a disaster, I mean, it didn't start out that way.
11:27Well, the first two infomercials didn't go well, did they?
11:30They didn't go well.
11:30One of the few times she was moved in her life, by the way.
11:33Yes.
11:34In the 80s, she was already very famous and declared her war on ardo.
11:40Enzo Biaggi calls her the apostle of weight loss.
11:43And to sell your highly effective slimming Breton algae, you choose the insult strategy, right?
11:51And let women be made like this, either fat or lard-laden, trunks in shapes, elephants in bed, cuckolds and other such pleasantries.
11:59She said she has a black belt in body shaming, but why did the insult work? Why did it work?
12:06Because it's true.
12:07Sometimes I wonder, very important companies that hire beautiful women to advertise a product, but what meaning does it have?
12:20What's the point?
12:22He gets it bad.
12:23Come on, I mean, a housewife, poor thing, is there making the ragù, which smells of soffritto, tempts her to
12:30feet, he sees this and says but will I ever be able to become like that, right?
12:34What struck me is that she somehow addressed, she says with this truth, however we say,
12:40with a certain violence towards women, a bit like how her husband treated her.
12:47Did she have a sense of rivalry?
12:49It could be, you know I'd never thought about it.
12:52Which was revenge in a way.
12:54However, at a certain point, let's say, she invented a product that made her even more famous, that is, the melting
12:59belly.
13:00So, this product didn't even exist when you started talking about it, right?
13:04Then they do it in a hurry.
13:05My daughter invented the product.
13:07His daughter because she did, let's say, a bit of a visual statistic saying that Italians have a gut feeling,
13:12we are focusing on that product.
13:13But when she started talking about it and orders came flooding in, it just didn't exist, right?
13:18Then they did it in a hurry, but were you more of a swindler or more unscrupulous there?
13:26Unscrupulous.
13:26She doesn't like sloppy people, she prefers unscrupulous ones.
13:29But if she also means that, honestly, to me...
13:31No, no, what she felt.
13:33I think she's unscrupulous.
13:35And did he do well?
13:36Very good.
13:37How much did you earn from the belly toner?
13:39So much.
13:40But like?
13:41We sold 300 million lire a day of the old belly-melting lira, without all the rest, because then they were produced for
13:49hair...
13:50So you had everything?
13:51Yes.
13:53But has this belly-loosener ever worked once?
13:55They ask me this on the street like crazy now.
13:59But unfortunately it no longer exists.
14:01And now it existed.
14:02Oh, shall we do it again?
14:03Certain.
14:04At a certain point Berlusconi suggested that she agree to the right price.
14:08Yes.
14:08And Craxi to participate in an advert in which she was supposed to invite people to vote for the socialists.
14:13She always said no because she didn't think they were functional, let's say, to her earnings.
14:19For her, money has always been the guiding light.
14:23So, I'm ignorant.
14:27In the sense that when Craxi proposed this to me, I think it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
14:36Say no to Craxi?
14:37Yes, because he recognized me 500 million of the old lire.
14:42Half a billion at the time.
14:43Well, half a billion to say I vote like this, nothing else.
14:48Nothing else.
14:49Then I thought...
14:51Without shouting, in short.
14:52I thought, my God, but if I say this, whoever buys from me, maybe is a communist, maybe is a Christian Democrat, maybe
15:02He's a fascist, and he doesn't buy from me anymore.
15:04Did Berlusconi and Craxi always have a professional interest in her, or did they court her a little?
15:10But no, but for the love of God, no.
15:12No.
15:13I am not a woman to be courted.
15:16No?
15:16No.
15:17I'm too strong.
15:19Where does she find a man who can compete with Van Amarchi?
15:22But was she a woman loved by men in life?
15:26I have never had the problem with men because I don't even see them, I have never seen them,
15:34I've never been interested in them.
15:37Has love not had much place in your life?
15:40Money, yes.
15:41Let's say, the more money, the more earnings, the more career.
15:43Certain.
15:44And if I'm sorry or did I do the right thing?
15:46To do what?
15:48Let's say...
15:49Don't think about men?
15:50But for God's sake.
15:51No, thinking about men, about giving space to love, you know, feelings, you know that thing, right?
15:56Love.
15:56Secondary.
15:57Love is too important a word, too big.
16:00Overrated too.
16:02Anyway, in fact, at a certain point she starts to spread herself too thin, right?
16:07And he makes a significant investment in the production of a perfume.
16:11Come on, what's a lie?
16:12Oh, isn't that right?
16:13But no, the perfume cost 4 lire.
16:16But do you know how much a perfume costs at the source?
16:18Well, but it does have a major advertising campaign.
16:20It wasn't like that.
16:22Can I just say one thing?
16:24As we say in the intentions, whatever this means, the essence of the perfume
16:29It was supposed to evoke the male sex, right?
16:32The meaning?
16:32The male sex, the essence.
16:35Oh, yes.
16:35In his...
16:36You know.
16:37What does it mean?
16:38In any case, for whom does the woman wear perfume?
16:40Especially for men.
16:42But this perfume that was supposed to evoke the male sex, I still haven't understood well, let's say,
16:47that was in there and her ex-husband said no, it smelled bad anyway.
16:52What did he do?
16:54Nobili, her ex-husband said this perfume stank.
16:57What smelled like him?
16:58Ah, it is.
16:59In the soul?
17:00Eh.
17:01The smell was good, though.
17:03It was delicious.
17:04What did it taste like?
17:05What did he know about?
17:07It smelled good.
17:07Describe yourself, sorry, she was the best.
17:09No, fresh, engaging, but not erotic, not perfume, fresh.
17:15She starts with financial troubles, at that point I don't know if the hole was caused
17:21from the investment, law no, and I don't know then what happened, what happened,
17:24let's say, because she had a thriving business, then at a certain point the financial problems began
17:28true.
17:31Oh, never mind.
17:32You know when you have many collaborators, not all of them trusted, many things.
17:38She says they stole from her?
17:39What does this mean?
17:41She says so, I...
17:44He doesn't deny it.
17:45A word to the wise is enough.
17:48The loans begin, the intimidation begins, they burn down his shop in Dozzano.
17:54Certain.
17:54At one point she also gets help from a criminal, among other things for 416
18:00encore for Camorra, right?
18:02A certain Milva Magliano.
18:04And then it will be discovered that the people who started the fire were some Calabrians who also frequented
18:11his house.
18:11In some way, she touches, grazes organized crime.
18:16She thought she could exploit, use certain people and she found herself in something bigger.
18:23her.
18:23In the most category way.
18:25And what happened?
18:25Because she came into contact with these people.
18:28Well, in touch.
18:29They were kids who hung out with my kids, they were kids, you know?
18:34They were kids who used to hang out at my house, but normally...
18:38Well, for example Magliano, Milva Magliano...
18:41Magliano plays at being a mafioso a lot, she likes it.
18:45Well, but she was convicted, she might like it, but still...
18:49For his own reasons, certainly not for me.
18:50For his own things.
18:51Certainly not for me.
18:52It was said that she was linked to Cutolo's Camorra, that is...
18:55Eh...
18:56But did she know?
18:57But absolutely not.
18:58Eh...
18:58But in the most categorical way, right?
19:00You find yourself in that environment at a certain point, I mean.
19:02But I don't really fit in, I mean, who hung out with these people?
19:06And those Calabrians were inside his house and then...
19:09Well, the kids, maybe with my kids, they were all kids, huh?
19:13But why did they burn down that shop, for example?
19:16Well, after that they wanted the money.
19:17That is, first they burn and then they ask me for a billion of the old lire.
19:21Was it extortion?
19:22Certain.
19:22Then they shot me, they shot me and my daughter.
19:26They did some crazy things.
19:29Never in the world would I have imagined that it was them.
19:32And on that occasion, let's say, she goes down by 4 billion at the end
19:36and he also goes to prison for the first time, for 9 days
19:41and then a couple of months under house arrest.
19:44It's his first fall.
19:46Was it a trauma or were you kind of expecting it?
19:49It was a trauma, of course.
19:50But he sees, even from house arrest, the judge
19:54He gave me permission to make the programs, do you know that?
19:59So, I'm from my house under house arrest
20:01I made the programs and sold.
20:04And I sold more!
20:05Because people wanted to help me, because they wanted to give me a hand.
20:09Convenient like this, huh?
20:12So I...
20:13So he didn't experience it as a real fall, that's what I mean.
20:17A stumble.
20:18But also because I have fallen, but I also know how to get back up.
20:22I have a good leg, you know.
20:24I see it, I see it.
20:26Let's say she's weathered this temporary storm, I understand.
20:32To lift you up from the business point of view, she and her daughter, let's say,
20:36make a business deal with a character, let's say he is no longer here today,
20:41who was called Tiglio Capra de Carré, self-styled marquis, but perhaps count, but perhaps nothing at all,
20:47a member of P2, who had important friends, so much so that at dinner at her house she met Dell'Utri.
20:55No.
20:55Don't you know him at home?
20:57No.
20:57No.
20:58So, he meets me in Porto Cervo.
21:01De Carré.
21:02De Carré.
21:03He stops me and says...
21:06You know, Marquis, you always present yourself with a certain importance, right?
21:12Eh.
21:12And he tells me that Silvio Berlusconi wanted to meet me.
21:17So, he tells me, we meet him for dinner at Dell'Utri's house.
21:23Okay.
21:26I have always been a person...
21:28Who was in Publitalia at the time, Dell'Utri, right?
21:31Yes.
21:31I have always been a very shy person.
21:35Eh, you can see this, yes.
21:36No, no, no, I am.
21:37A shy person.
21:39When I met certain people, I always felt this power, right?
21:45No, so no...
21:46But he insisted so much, I say, okay.
21:50A butler, this tall, in a tuxedo, opens the door and kisses my hand.
21:56Was he a dwarf?
21:57Huh?
21:58Was he a dwarf?
21:59A child.
22:00He was a child.
22:00A child.
22:01So, the Dell'Utri's son, right?
22:04There's a moment when Silvio Berlusconi arrives, I remember him as if it were today, white shirt, blue powder on his shoulders, and he
22:14he tells me, you know, we were thinking of her to host a program, she will do the right price.
22:22I mean, honestly, it's not a program that suits me, maybe if something could be changed.
22:32He looks at me, changes his expression and says, nothing changes at all.
22:38Well, for goodness sake.
22:40He says, so it's a no?
22:42I say, unfortunately it's a no.
22:44And he answers me, it's the first no I've received in my life.
22:48Anyway, let's say that the most important meeting that she has to do with the Marquis Conte, or we haven't understood that, is with,
22:55let's say, the maestro Mario Paceco Don Ascimiento, who was the cook, the waiter of the Marquis, a handsome Brazilian boy, who
23:05in the space of a short time, a few weeks, he goes from being a waiter to a life coach.
23:13What was this brilliant idea, what was the idea of turning him into a life coach?
23:19It was the Marquis' idea.
23:21Anyway, it's a trio that worked, her, her daughter and Don Ascimiento.
23:24We always work.
23:25Regardless.
23:26Wherever she puts us, we work.
23:28Let's say, at that point her second life as a telemarketer begins, right?
23:35Leave the creams.
23:37No, I never left them.
23:39Well.
23:39Let's say, no.
23:39No, let's say that every now and then we put on some shows with the magician, but we never stopped.
23:46But let's say that at a certain point she dedicated herself to selling numbers eight, right?
23:52Yes.
23:53And the remedies to ward off the evil eye.
23:56So let's say the bar was raised a bit, right?
24:00What had happened in her head to lead to this?
24:03He also sold tickets for Rai, I don't know if you know that.
24:05Yes, yes, yes.
24:07Rai has never sold as many tickets as I did.
24:11I say it, I sign it and I admit it.
24:13But Italian lottery tickets existed.
24:16She sold remedies to ward off the evil eye, which doesn't exist.
24:19Well, yes.
24:20I sold numbers eight.
24:21She sold numbers eight, but we know what the system was, right?
24:23That is, she sold these numbers at eight, then clearly as it seems 100,000 lire, then
24:29if people didn't come out, they called the switchboard and said why they didn't come out, then
24:34I'll give you the salt, if it doesn't dissolve there's a problem with the evil eye.
24:38Many pandemics have been reported, however.
24:40Okay, but there are these, let's say they are procedural truths, in the sense that I have some
24:44testimonies and things.
24:45So to get to this point, in her head, she had been selling things that worked.
24:51or less, but creams.
24:52What had gone through her head?
24:56I don't even know how to say it, I honestly don't even know how to tell it.
25:00Sometimes you find yourself in situations.
25:05I don't know why.
25:08I found myself there.
25:11And did he do well or badly?
25:13Well, it hurt.
25:15It hurt her, but she, that is, says it hurt me, so I hurt.
25:19Certain.
25:21Can we say that at that moment his fortune was the weaknesses of others?
25:28But I really don't feel like I've ever exploited other people's weaknesses.
25:35Because it seems to me that magicians still exist on television, that they exist in real life, that they exist as psychologists,
25:45the same.
25:46Nothing changes.
25:46Let's say that the fact that others do it doesn't justify the fact that she did it too,
25:52in the sense that the bill...
25:52Let's just say those, because that's all there is, they only go by brand...
25:56No, no, absolutely, absolutely.
25:58But look, I say, it's one thing to promise, let's say, to lose weight in a short time.
26:05It's one thing to promise, or rather, let's say, behind the car payments, to remove the evil eye from people who perhaps had
26:13of misfortunes, fragile...
26:16Never, never, then, never, whoever called the magician was, I'll tell you who he was, who had a lover, who
26:24She slept with priests, you understand? Lots of priests.
26:29And why does the evil eye have anything to do with it?
26:31No, then, they called for this, not because they were ill or had illnesses...
26:38There are, however, testimonies and there are also recordings.
26:41So, where it was said then, if you don't pay, you want to harm your son, who maybe was ill, or
26:47there were drug problems...
26:48But that's not true, that's not true.
26:50These are procedural truths, however, in any case...
26:53Yes, yes, yes, there are many things that can be said.
26:55I can also tell you that tomorrow I'm going to Paris and buying the Eiffel Tower.
27:02But she, look, has a feeling that she has experienced this feeling of sorrow, of tenderness for her daughter Stefania, she has it
27:09said several times, and then for whom in life?
27:15I still feel it today, always, it's always been like this.
27:21For older people, I...
27:25But a lot of old people called her, huh?
27:27There were many old people who called her, she knows that.
27:30But that's not true, that's not true.
27:32By elderly people I don't mean a 60-year-old person, right?
27:36Oh no, but we're talking about elderly people, retired people, at home, who followed the broadcasts, who called this, they were mostly elderly people
27:43and people without tools or worse, desperate.
27:46No.
27:47Anyway, say what you want, because...
27:48No, no, no!
27:49If I want to say, they said everything.
27:51The only thing they haven't said yet, since I can cook very well,
27:56the only thing they haven't said, that I make stew with the children, they haven't said that yet
28:01said?
28:01Eh.
28:02Maybe they'll say it, huh?
28:03Oh, let's hope not.
28:04Oh, exactly.
28:06You used a rather blunt phrase when referring to the victims. You know what I'm referring to, right?
28:12No, I think balls need to be fucked.
28:18That is, is being naive a sin?
28:22Being ignorant enough to do things like this, in the year 2000 and beyond? A sin.
28:31But this, let's say, does not justify the crime.
28:35The scandal broke out in 2001 with a news report from Striscia alla Notizia.
28:40That's the end for you, and it's also news, right?
28:44Following that service, a few months later, a trial will begin that will lead to her and her daughter serving nine
28:52years in prison.
28:53Yes.
28:53Many.
28:54How did prison change you, and did you come out better or worse than you went in?
28:59I came out exactly as I was.
29:02In prison I never took a sleeping pill, I never wanted to meet a psychologist, because I think
29:11of not needing it at all.
29:14Even though, I repeat, in my opinion nine and a half years for fraud is an indecent, incredible thing, but they gave me
29:25nine and a half years.
29:26Well, is this the law? They passed it just for Vanna Marchi? Well, should I go to jail? Well.
29:34Prison? No, it didn't change me.
29:36When we spoke to invite her, she told me that in prison in Bologna they did everything to
29:43make her commit suicide, which is a very strong thing to say.
29:46Strong, isn't it?
29:47How?
29:48Well, you know, the treatment, the way of appostrophizing you, the way of not giving you the chance to wash yourself when you want to wash yourself,
30:01to give you cold water if it's hot but there isn't any for you.
30:06So many things, so many. And so if a person is weak it is not difficult for him to commit suicide in prison, it is not
30:14absolutely difficult.
30:16And have you ever had moments of true desperation in prison?
30:20To commit suicide?
30:20No, not to commit suicide, but out of desperation.
30:24Despair for my daughter because my daughter has a very serious disease called rheumatoid arthritis.
30:30So my daughter weighed 40 kg or so.
30:34They did, they carried her with the handcuffs attached to the stretcher, the handcuffs attached to the stretcher and four people escorting her.
30:44They took her to the hospital for transfusions two or three times a week.
30:49So for my daughter, for me it was a, it was a terrifying, terrifying thing.
30:54And did she feel guilty towards her daughter because, after all, she was the TV character?
31:00Did you work together?
31:03Well, sure, sure.
31:06You know, I'm willing to kill for my daughters.
31:10So, life brought me to this?
31:13Was I wrong? I'm not saying no.
31:16What did he do wrong?
31:18I made a mistake because it's clear that, you know, when a person, I could have pleaded guilty, I don't know if...
31:28Did he make a mistake in his procedural strategy?
31:29Sure, sure.
31:30Oh here it is.
31:30His life is tied hand in glove, no, to that of his daughter, so much so that the couple often
31:36it has been defined as the vanne marchi.
31:39She, let's say, her son obviously suffered a character, he suffered in the sense that he cancelled himself out a little, he is
31:46a character as strong as she is.
31:49And you are so close that you still sleep in the same room today.
31:53How would you describe your relationship as a love affair? Why is it a sick love affair?
31:59No.
31:59A little morbid, yes.
32:01It is a relationship of great love and great respect.
32:05Listen, the magistrate, one of the PMs, wrote that Stefania showed greater perfidy than her mother.
32:12Is it possible that at some point there was a bit of a role reversal between the two of you?
32:17That is, at a certain point they said the mind is Stefania.
32:21Hand.
32:23Hand.
32:24In a hundred years or more, when she's no longer here...
32:28I will always talk about myself.
32:30Stefania, what will she do? Will she manage without her?
32:34Certain.
32:35He will make it because he is very strong.
32:38What do you live on now? What's your standard of living?
32:41In what sense?
32:42She earned so much...
32:45I live well, very well as you can see.
32:47Fantastic.
32:50The question, which you understand very well, is, let's say, all that crazy wealth that you have accumulated over the years,
32:57what's left?
32:59What's left?
33:00Well, there's a treasure everyone's looking for, and now we're going on a treasure hunt.
33:06But it will be difficult.
33:08Because you hid it well.
33:10Oh, not because you hid it well.
33:12However, she is about to move to Albania and leave Italy.
33:18Yes.
33:18Would you like to be forgotten in Italy or not?
33:21I don't care at all.
33:24Really?
33:25Also because I know very well that I will never be forgotten.
33:29She said, with respect to Don Ascimiento, that he escaped to Brazil, then with the pardon he did not do it
33:36a day in jail.
33:37Anyway, she said, I'm very sorry, I would have expected at least a postcard.
33:42Now, of all the things you've done, this seems to me to be the least of the evils: the postcard.
33:47No, I was expecting a phone call.
33:50Well, okay, but I say, compared to the whole story, it seems like a...
33:54Well, look, we...
33:56I love Mario, eh?
33:58Ah.
33:58Me, yes, eh.
33:59I have never denied that...
34:01It's not that I haven't forgiven him.
34:03The only thing I can't forgive him for is not having sent...
34:08A postcard, a greeting.
34:09A postcard, a greeting, even through lawyers, I don't know, never.
34:14That's what she can't forgive him for.
34:16Yes.
34:16Taking stock, have you won more or lost more in life?
34:20I lost a lot, but...
34:23But I still feel like a calm, peaceful person.
34:29Winning?
34:30Yes.
34:31And he has the facts, so everything he did, everything he did was worth it.
34:36did he do?
34:37You should live twice, I always say.
34:40Unfortunately, I have already lived a life in the past, and I certainly lived it in Albania.
34:46That's why I go back there now, because I feel at home there.
34:50That is, in his previous life?
34:53Yes.
34:54Do you believe in God?
34:55Yes.
34:56And pray?
34:57Yes.
34:57What is he asking for?
34:59Serenity, peace, health for my children.
35:03And for her?
35:04Never anything for me.
35:06Are you afraid of dying?
35:07Absolutely not.
35:09As far away as possible the aspect, hell or heaven?
35:12I firmly believe that hell and heaven are here.
35:17Sometimes I find myself in heaven, sometimes I find myself in hell, I found myself in hell in prison, I am
35:27I went out and found myself in heaven.
35:29I'm fine now.
35:31Let's say I'm in purgatory, okay?
35:34The look is purgatory.
35:37Thank you.
35:37Thanks to her.
35:39Thanks to her.
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