00:01Does he think that the reason Germany and Italy have far lower Covid rates than us, with life continuing more
00:09or less normally,
00:10might be because they have locally and publicly run test and trace services that actually work?
00:17No, Mr Speaker, I don't. And I think the continual attacks on local test and trace and what the NHS
00:25test and trace have done are undermining and unnecessary.
00:29And actually, there is an important difference between our country and many other countries around the world, and that is
00:34our country is a freedom-loving country, Mr Speaker.
00:37And if you look at the history of this country over the last 300 years, virtually every advance from free
00:43speech to democracy has come from this country.
00:49And it is very difficult to ask the British population uniformly to obey guidelines in the way that it is
00:58necessary.
00:58What we're saying today is that collectively, and I'm answering his question directly, collectively, the way to do this, the
01:05way to do this is for us all to follow the guidelines,
01:08which we will strictly enforce and get the R down. That's the way.
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