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Jason Votrobek was convicted in 2014 on drug trafficking and money-laundering charges and later sentenced to 15 years in federal prison.
Votrobek talks to Business Insider about his early days smuggling cocaine and his role in the prescription opioid trade. Votrobek co-owned and operated Atlanta Medical Group, a Georgia clinic that distributed large volumes of oxycodone and other prescription drugs.
He describes how pain clinics capitalized on the demand for prescription opioids. Lawsuits against companies like Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin, led to several changes in the system. Purdue and its owners agreed to pay up to $6 billion in a settlement tied to claims over their role in the opioid epidemic.
Although the "pill mill" era peaked in the early 2010s, the consequences persist. More than 107,000 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2023, with opioids, particularly fentanyl, responsible for the majority of those deaths.
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Votrobek talks to Business Insider about his early days smuggling cocaine and his role in the prescription opioid trade. Votrobek co-owned and operated Atlanta Medical Group, a Georgia clinic that distributed large volumes of oxycodone and other prescription drugs.
He describes how pain clinics capitalized on the demand for prescription opioids. Lawsuits against companies like Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin, led to several changes in the system. Purdue and its owners agreed to pay up to $6 billion in a settlement tied to claims over their role in the opioid epidemic.
Although the "pill mill" era peaked in the early 2010s, the consequences persist. More than 107,000 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2023, with opioids, particularly fentanyl, responsible for the majority of those deaths.
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00:00My name is Jason Votrabek. In 2014, I was convicted of distributing millions of pain pills
00:05in a drug conspiracy. And this is how crime works. The George Brothers, American Pain,
00:12they were our competition and we stole their patient list. So we got all their contact
00:16information. I walk into the office and our people are just making phone calls and they're
00:21telling them, hey, this is American Pain. All out of state patients are going to be going to
00:25Jacksonville Pain from here on out. If you show back up at American Pain and West Palm Beach,
00:30you'll be discharged. The next day, I just see two vehicles pull up to the front door,
00:34a Range Rover and Mercedes. I said, so get ready. So we grabbed our guns and the doors open. All
00:39these dudes come in. So I pull out a gun and I put it to his head and he actually
00:44calls the cops on me.
00:45So they start investigating us.
00:52What is a pill mill? A business that is a front. It's a white coat doctor front for a drug
00:57business.
00:58All they're saying is that we're hiding behind a doctor's coat to run pills rather than you see
01:03a drug dealer on a corner. We're actually putting drug dealers in lab coats. I hate the word pill
01:08mill. The reason why is I didn't feel like I ran a pill mill. I ran a business that the
01:12government
01:12allowed me. A pain management clinic is a business just like a doctor's office. So you go see a doctor
01:18and they treat you with medicine rather than through like a chiropractor or surgery. You're going to
01:23try pain management, which is oxycodone, Percocets, Vicodin, stuff like that. I was in the cocaine
01:29business during the 2000s, beginning to 09 ish, somewhere in there. I was done during my cocaine
01:35days. I had a close friend of mine that I grew up with Zach Rose three, four months after I
01:41got out
01:42of the cocaine, my phone rings and he says, listen, dude, I went to a strip club last night and
01:48there's
01:48this guy and they're just absolutely just blowing tons of money. He owns all these pain clinics
01:54and his name is Vinny Colangelo, Vincent Colangelo. I was telling him that I already doctor shop at his
01:59clinics and I bring a bunch of people and all this other stuff. And he's like, dude, you need to
02:02get
02:02out of that. You need to come and invest with me and, and let's run this operation. And he's like,
02:07everything that he's got going on, like it's, it's legal. You can put the money in the bank. Like,
02:12you know, you got to get your license. You got to set everything up. It's all legal.
02:15And then he takes me by one of the clinics, uh, Vinny's clinic off of commercial Boulevard,
02:20995 down in Fort Lauderdale, walk inside and they got to like certificates and all the things on the
02:25wall and doctors and patients. And like, it's chaotic. And I'm like, this is crazy. This thing
02:30is running downtown Fort Lauderdale, right in front of everybody. Cops are driving by. You go inside,
02:35got like a waiting room with the windows and a hallway to the doctor's offices and, you know,
02:40and all this stuff and in-house dispensary. So you could see the doctor and get your
02:45pills in the same spot. Like it's not a normal doctor's office. So I'm like sitting there looking
02:49at stuff. So now the wheels are turning. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, this is absolutely crazy. And
02:54he's like, trust me, we're going to do it the right way. So I'm like, okay, I'm in. I like
02:59these
02:59words. As long as we're going to do it right. And he goes, Jason, we're going to do it right.
03:07I gave him the money to invest in with Vinny to invest into his clinics. He had so much money,
03:13but he needed another 50,000. Zach's plan was, he's like, Jason, I'm going to make a copy of
03:18every form, learn this in and out everything. I'm already started the process. He's almost stay
03:23around long enough to figure out the ins and outs. And we're going to go do our own thing.
03:27We're going to do it legit. And I'll have to worry about the stress and worry about if the doors
03:30are
03:30going to get kicked in because of all this drug activity going on. In Florida, they had the rules,
03:35the laws where you could have a pain clinic and then run in-house dispensary under the doctor's
03:40222 forms. So they could order pills and sell them in the same location. So it was a win-win.
03:47We write the scripts, right? And they go to CVS and Walgreens. If there's an employee there that is
03:52just absolutely against this, they're reporting you. They're calling law enforcement. They're
03:58declining to give your patients meds when the doctor is a legit doctor is allowed to do it.
04:04They can decline it. So it's red flag in the business. So having an in-house dispensary,
04:09you eliminate that. You control everything. So you write the scripts and sell them without nobody
04:14else knowing what's going on and how much pills they're getting. We have high school diplomas,
04:19no college degree. We don't know nothing about the medical field. So eventually we pull the plug
04:25and we're ready to go. So we go to Jacksonville, Florida. And the reason why we go to Jacksonville
04:28is because in South Florida is where all the competition is. Everybody's doing it in South
04:33Florida. Well, everybody's coming. Most of the people are coming from out of state, Tennessee,
04:39Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia, all that's the biggest hub. I mean, they're coming from all over the place,
04:44but your biggest hub is that area. So we were thinking like, why don't we cut them off? Save them
04:49six hours from the state line to Fort Lauderdale, six hours back is 12. We're like Jacksonville,
04:54perfect. Soon as Vinny found out what we're doing, he cut Zach off and didn't pay us,
04:59buy us out or nothing. We lost everything that we had there, which was fine. Whatever. We had some,
05:03I had money put away. So I invest even more money into Jacksonville pain is the first one we start.
05:12Back then they were getting doctors off Craigslist. And so what we did is we ran an ad,
05:17we got the building, we built it out because we wanted the built out. So in case a doctor want
05:21to see it,
05:22we can show them. So we run some ads, we get a bunch of hits. We're creating these medical
05:28facilities. We're going to, we're going to reduce, we're going to lease the room to these doctors.
05:32That's going to be our selling point. Like we're not doctors. We're just, we're going to put the
05:36money in the buildings, the advertisement. We're going to bring patients to you. You're just going
05:39to rent the room. And it worked. You have a lot of doctors that are 60, 70, 80 years old.
05:47Okay. They had great practices. They made a lot of money. They didn't know how to manage their
05:52money. Like most doctors don't. They were just family doctors and their practices went under,
05:57or they got a divorce or they were running low on money, or they needed a part-time job and
06:01they
06:01wanted to make more money. They're an employee of Jacksonville pain. We 1099 them. They're
06:06subcontractors in a way. Each doctor has a two, two form registered so they can fill out to the DEA
06:14to
06:14get medicine. So we would use their two, two forms and we pay them extra money to be able to
06:19house
06:19medication in our in-house dispensary. So we'd have to give them a cut of it. Pharmaceutical
06:24companies, distributors will only give them so much per doctor. Like it's like one of those things
06:29where if I owned a pharmacy, I can get unlimited amount of pills, but in-house dispensary,
06:34they're kind of like, ah, you know, like it's not monitored that well. We don't want to give you
06:39too much. So you have to build a relationship with these people. There was an unspoken rule,
06:44like don't prescribe more than 240 pills per patient for a month. An average doctor probably
06:50sees 25, 35 patients and higher end doctor will see around 40, 50 patients a day. We want to stay
06:56within these guidelines and people are like, well, you're just doing it like a cover for your drug
07:01operation. I mean, you could say either way, however you want to look at it, but I never once told
07:06our
07:06doctors what to prescribe, what they could and couldn't, or how much to prescribe. We charge extra
07:11for them to fill pills in our dispensary because they're going to pay extra to have the scrutiny
07:17to guarantee that we fill their scripts. Writing the scripts pays the bills. The in-house dispensary
07:24is 100% profit. So if you didn't have an in-house dispensary, you wouldn't make very much money,
07:30maybe six to $9,000 a day. I mean, that's a lot of money, but not a hundred thousand dollars
07:35a day.
07:35The scripts would cover paying the building, overhead, employees, pay the doctors, buy the
07:42medication, all of it by writing the scripts. Literally 100% profit of the pills. We had an
07:49ex-DEA agent over the pharmaceutical part. He was 20 years in on the DEA. He retired, became a
07:54consultant. He understood what the DEA was looking for in the rules because this stuff was so vague.
08:02It was not even funny. There was no black and white print of what you can and can't do.
08:07So nobody knew what the rules were. Nobody knew what the law was. Every day, we're doubling.
08:12So first day, say we had 50 people at the door. Next day, we had 100 people waiting at the
08:16door.
08:17Before you know it, with the weekend, before we get there at 6, 7 in the morning, there's already 200
08:21people lined up out in front of this place, and we can't control it. We have to hire around-the
08:26-clock
08:26security. I knew that this stuff was bad, and I knew what it was doing, but it separates me from
08:32big pharma or whoever approves me to do it. If you're going to allow me to do something and give
08:37me a license to do it, for somebody who has a mindset like me, I'm going to do it. I'm
08:42not proud
08:42of it, but I'm a criminal. Does that make sense? The person that was using the pills is 50-50
08:48guilty.
08:50They came to me. I prescribed them. That's 50-50, just like in the Coke business. I had
08:55the product. I didn't put nothing in nobody's head and say, do this. They came to me. That's
08:58a 50-50 transaction. I'm half the problem. They're the other half. So you can't put more
09:06blame on me as the person that's using it.
09:13When we first started building it out, we wasn't advertising. We didn't do nothing because we
09:19were trying to still collect money from Vinny's operations and not get screwed out of it and
09:23still be in there to learn as much as possible. And what we did was the George brothers, American
09:28Pain, they were our competition. So me and Zach were like, I don't know who these dudes are, but
09:33they're the biggest in industry. Let's steal their patient list. Let's show them who's the
09:37boss is in town, the new warden. This is where our young minds, dumb minds come into play.
09:44So we were going to hire a stripper to go in and work there and print the list out. Come
09:49to find out that was impossible because too many eyes inside. Wasn't able to do it. We
09:54found out where they were getting all their MRI. So they worked to deal with this guy named
09:58Pete Tindell. He owned a portable MRI machine. So it was a semi rig and he would put it behind
10:04strip club parking lots and places that where he could run at 24 hours a day and strip clubs
10:09are open all night and nobody would pay attention during the daytime. So people would go there
10:1324 hours and get scanned and he would send them over to Thailand, Philippines. They would
10:17read them and come back and he would print them out. Come to find out majority of them
10:21were fake. People are paying extra to get fake MRIs. They're all the same MRIs. He did all
10:25of American pain's MRIs. So we worked to deal with Pete to give us his patient list. Everybody
10:32went to American pain. So we got all their contact information. We were going to call
10:37them and just say, Hey, listen, we're a new pain clinic. We open up in Jacksonville. We
10:40can save you 12 hour round trip. You don't have to go to South Florida anymore. Blah, blah,
10:43duh. Now I walk into the office and they're all got their feet kicked up on the desk and
10:48they're just making phone calls like six of them. And they're telling them, Hey, this is
10:52American pain. All the outside patients are going to Jacksonville. We're going to save
10:55you a round trip. We're going to do this, blah, blah, blah. You're going to get the same
10:58thing you were getting down there. Everything else. Everybody was like, wow. Like we're,
11:02you know, they were so happy. Couldn't wait. And first day that we finally open, we show
11:07up like eight o'clock in the morning to open the doors and there's already 50 people in line
11:10at the front door. And the George brothers realized that a lot of people didn't show up.
11:14So they started calling them and they realized that they're like, Oh no, we're at your pain
11:19clinic in Jacksonville. And they're like, what are you talking about? But the very next
11:22day, they try to send somebody through. Um, we caught them, kicked them out. I followed
11:27them down the road, seen him get in the car of George's brother, Chris George and his car.
11:32And I came back and I told Zach, I was like, um, that's one of his, uh, Chris George's people.
11:37I said, so get ready. So we grabbed our guns and the doors open. All these dudes come in
11:41and, um, they, um, were asking for Zach. Zach was behind the counter. They ran up, Chris ran
11:47up with him. They started getting into it. The other three guys were out in the hallway with
11:51me and they were running their mouths, threatening, saying they're going to do all this stuff.
11:55And I just started laughing. He asked me what I'm laughing on. And he's like, I got some
11:58for you. And he actually, he's digging his pockets. I pull out a gun and I put it to
12:01his head and he actually calls the cops on me. Feds show up, they take them to jail and
12:07they tell them that that is their pain clinic, that they invested money in it and that they
12:11wouldn't, they're extorting us, that they were supposed to, we were supposed to pay them
12:15their percentage. They were there to collect money. So the feds are thinking like, how did we
12:19miss this clinic? Like, what do you mean? We've been watching them and we don't know
12:22about this clinic. So they started investigating us.
12:29We thought it was kind of funny that we're going to hire like hot chicks to run the front desk.
12:35So Zach and I put an ad on Craigslist saying $20, uh, medical office job an hour, send pic.
12:43You can't get away with that today. I didn't realize it was going to be the worst thing that
12:47we ever did. Also, the girls were accepting bribes. You couldn't control them. You guys
12:51would come up and be like, Hey, I want to, um, I want to pay 50 bucks or a hundred
12:56dollars to bump
12:57my file to the top of the list. Well, if guy after guy does it to the guy that started
13:02bumping the
13:03second or third, he keeps going down because they keep putting things. And now this guy's
13:07complaining. So I fired all the girls and, um, we brought in somebody else to manage it like
13:12that. Zach came in, got mad, fired all of them, brought the girls back. And that's when I knew
13:17that was just going wrong. Zach had told me, he was like, Jason, I had to do what we had
13:20to do.
13:21And Zach was just like, took money from everybody and was promised everybody in the world. He just
13:25lied. He didn't care. He just wanted to ride around his Ferraris and Lamborghinis and helicopters.
13:29Zach wants to be the top dog. He doesn't want nobody else above him. Nobody had more than him.
13:36So he wants everybody to look up to him. So he's the type of person that takes money from
13:4110 different people and gives everybody 10 different pieces, but he's the hub.
13:45There was this guy named Roland that was in my indictment and he was brought in through somebody
13:51else that invested from down South. He knew the ins and outs. He's the one that had the connects
13:55with the pharmaceutical companies. You couldn't get it, an account with them without somebody
13:59referring you and getting you in the door. When we were having so many problems and we couldn't keep
14:03a Jacksonville clean and running, right? Cause Zach worked against us every which way we could.
14:08So they brought in Roland to clean up the operations, fire everybody, clean everything.
14:13Roland fired everybody. Zach was mad cause he was banging some of the girls.
14:17So Roland's like, I'm done with this. I quit.
14:25We went from very first day counting $25,000 to $50,000 a day to over $100,000, $130,000
14:32a day
14:32bringing in profits. So we're walking in with $100,000, $150,000 a day. And the banks are freaking
14:38out within weeks. The banks are like, uh, yeah, uh, we can't do business. We get no more.
14:43Come get your money. Somebody put us on game, like start having a bricks truck, have the bank
14:48that you're dealing with, have them come pick up the money. So they see the business. There's a
14:51location and it doesn't look like you're selling on the corner. That saved us. So we were able to
14:58start putting money in the bank. At first we were putting every penny in the bank because it's legit.
15:02We wanted to claim every penny. And then we started to learn to not put every penny in there.
15:08It was legit, legal. We had attorneys writing up the business things, doing all of our paperwork,
15:13accountants in line to take our money. Nobody had a problem. Nobody cared. Wide open. Now everybody
15:19wanted to be involved. Once we started making money, everybody, like literally one guy from down
15:25south has his two guys show up with a briefcase handcuffed to one of the guys slapped full of cash.
15:32We were making so much money. And to the point where we were bringing in $4 million a month in
15:37cash.
15:38In my hype, I was getting around probably 800, somewhere in there, thousand a month.
15:48At the beginning, I played a day-to-day role of make sure the doors were open. The doctors were
15:54there.
15:55They needed what they needed. Any supply, stuff like that. Once weeks, month, about a month in,
16:01once I realized that we had an office manager and we had it set up, everything like that,
16:06my day-to-day role was not nothing. We were talking about going to Georgia because what we wanted to
16:11do
16:11was shorten the drive down even more. Florida was becoming a hot spot and we wanted out of there.
16:16The deal was that I was supposed to be a percentage of every clinic. Well, I found out Zach was
16:20doing
16:20it behind my back and was bringing somebody else in and I was going to be cut out through somebody
16:24really close. And because he'd already took money from somebody else and promised him. So that was
16:29their deal. So I was like, well, that's fine. I'm going to do my own operation. So I offered Roland
16:35a percentage owner and opening up pain clinics for me and doing it the right way that I was walking
16:40away from Zach. So Roland likes to do things right. He wasn't, he's never been in trouble,
16:46never nothing. He agreed to come on board. And so we started to, I started investing money into
16:53researching and the laws and stuff. And he was running the whole deal and we started to build
16:57an empire. I was the only one that backed it with funds, hundreds of thousands. So we came up with
17:02Atlanta Medical Group. It was going to be more downtown, but we ended up doing a Northside off 75
17:06in Ackworth, Cartersville area. And it was a nice building. We call it Atlanta Medical Group,
17:13AMG, like the Mercedes. That was our logo. I had it professionally done up, done to the T,
17:19like a real medical place, really nice. And I was not going to cut costs nowhere. I wanted it to
17:25be
17:25top notch, the right stuff, right. Everything did it all the right ways. We set everything up
17:30and our operation wasn't crazy. We didn't have lines. We didn't have people wrapped around
17:35thing. We didn't have to have security like that. We didn't have to have none of that.
17:38And that's the difference between running one where you don't have a partner as a drug dealer
17:42business owner. Our goal was just to open up three or four in Atlanta and we were moving out to
17:47Hollywood. We were moving to Missouri, Texas. We had attorneys working on all over the place.
17:54We had a little harder time opening because the patients knew that I didn't play the same game
18:02that Zach did. So I had to like almost start over on patients. They were trying to bribe. They were
18:08trying to give tips. They were trying to do all this stuff. And the word got around the drug dealers
18:12and the patients. They knew that order to get more pills, they had a lie. And they would literally,
18:17they have videos, the DEA had videos of like them walking across the street with crutches,
18:22getting out of the car with crutches, people helping them to the door and a thing. And as
18:25soon as they walk out the door, they throw the crutches in the back of the car and get in
18:28the
18:28car like it was nothing. And I'm like, but they lied. And they said, yeah, but y'all should have
18:36known better. We had three doctors on every day and we were doing good. It took a while to grow.
18:41We grew the right way. All my doctors were found through headhunters. I did not hire none of my staff.
18:46I paid people to hire the staff. I paid people to hire the doctors. I brought in somebody named Jesse.
18:51He was a very good business person. I thought I could trust him. Roland was the guy that was going
18:55to start all the businesses, all the things. And then Jesse was going to come in to oversee them,
18:59make sure that they're running right. My eyes and ears. I gave Roland 25% for running the whole
19:05operations. Jesse eventually bought in the other 25% to oversee my operations. I got money coming in.
19:12I'm making tons of money. My monthly spending's around maybe like quarter million, $300,000 a month.
19:17Everything's going good. Then we learn through this whole process that the pain clinic business
19:23is coming to an end. The DEA and the FBI is breathing down everybody's throats. They're
19:28starting to pull patients over. They're starting to harass your patients. They're starting to do all
19:33these things. So we hire an attorneys and them to go meet with the DEA to see what, how are
19:39we not in
19:40compliance? How can we be better in compliance? They said, it's not our job. They're like, but give
19:46us the rules. Where's the rules? We want to see what, what the rules are to this, this industry.
19:52And they said, we don't have to do none of that. We'll let you know when you break them. How
19:56about
19:56that? That's what they told us. So I told Roland and Jesse, I was like, let's shut this business down.
20:02Like, let's just done. And Jesse, I'll never forget. Jesse's like, we can't do that to the girls.
20:06They depend on this stuff. That's how they pay their bills. Let's just keep it open a little
20:09bit longer because I was going to get into the, um, pharmacy business. I was going to shut all
20:15the pain clinics down and just go straight pharmacies. One of our pharmacy techs, her dad
20:23had a pharmacy, couple of pharmacies, I think in a local area. And then when CVS and Walgreens or
20:29Rite Aid came in, they were buying up all the mama pops and he held out and they paid them
20:33good money
20:33for holding out. He's like, yeah. He's like, um, I would set up shop within a block or two of
20:39every
20:39CVS, Walgreens, Rite Aid and step on their toes. He goes, I would compete with them prices and
20:44everything and make all your patients or advertise to all the pain clinics that you will sell to,
20:51uh, sell pain management, management meds. And he says, you would be able to make enough money
20:56off of that to give everything away else for free to step on their toes. So now I don't have
21:00to run
21:00this operation no more. I just put a couple of people in there, run, you know, a manager,
21:06two pharmacy techs, somebody run the front desk, selling all the supplies and stuff like a CVS,
21:10Walgreens, like that on a smaller level. Um, and I get unlimited amount of pills. So I can,
21:15now I can sell more pills and fill more scripts. Who knows how much money I was going to make.
21:20I was planning on to start at least 50 plus to make them buy me out for
21:2750, a hundred million dollars. I had 10 locations under contract all within blocks of a CVS,
21:34Walgreens or, um, Rite Aid. And I had two of them that were about to open and I was doing
21:42one,
21:43you know, it's one or two at a time. And then the feds came before I could get going.
21:52I grew up in a small town called Vero Beach, Florida. It's known for cattle and citrus. It
21:57was a small town. It's about a little over North of a West Palm beach. So back in the eighties,
22:04Miami was a hotspot for drug smuggling. Well, once the Everglades in Miami became really a hotspot,
22:09they fly the planes past Miami. Tampa to Vero beach is straight across Florida. It's like the cutoff
22:14on the fuel support. So they would go down on a waterbed bladders. So they would take the bladder
22:21out of a waterbed and fill it full of fuel and fly down on that. They would land in central
22:26Florida
22:26because it was all cattle, citrus. It was in the middle of nowhere, small towns. Everybody was on
22:31payroll. You can buy everybody. So that was made, made it such a hotspot for drug smuggling. And that's
22:36how like my dad and everybody else got involved. My dad wasn't directly involved. They offered him,
22:42but everyone in his circle and friends became drug smugglers. When I was a kid, I used to sit
22:48behind my parents or my dad. They'd be around campfires, drinking old Budweiser in a can,
22:53smoking old marbles. And I remember sitting around the campfire, listening to my dad's buddies talk
22:57about drug smuggling. And that's what got me excited to it. And I just remember being this little kid
23:03sitting behind them, listening to the adults. That was the coolest thing ever. Talk about their drug
23:07smuggling. I started to get into the weed business at a very young age. 14, 15 is when all my
23:12buddies started smoking pot. So I seen that there was a market in it. I've been in trouble with the
23:17law before that, just doing like regular kid stuff, trespassing, just fighting, doing dumb stuff like
23:22that. But the first time ever being arrested was dealing with its own property. I ended up going to
23:26juvenile prison over it, late nineties, early two thousands, like 99, 2000, somewhere in that era.
23:31My sentence was supposed to be a level six program, which was supposed to be like six to eight months
23:35in Martin County bootcamp. Um, I ended up having a hard time. Like it was really, really rough. I go
23:41into this prison system that where they're all called state babies. So they're raised by the state
23:47dad's in prison. Mom's a prostitute in the streets. Grandma wants nothing to do with them. Their dates
23:52came and gone. They don't care about none. So if they see you have visits, get commissary, uh, a family
23:58and stuff, like they just do everything they can to ruin it. And they just run around and try to
24:03up each
24:03other on violence and just doing the craziest things for no odd reason. I was at the level
24:08eight in Okeechobee, Florida. And, um, I remember us walking. Our unit was called for chow. And I
24:14remember we were going to the main line to go eat dinner and we went by this other unit. And
24:19for
24:19no odd reason, this other kid just picked up a brick and started smashing this other kid in the head.
24:23And I think the first hit like kind of knocked him out. He was just on top of him, just
24:27smashing his
24:28head in. And there's two female staff and they didn't even know what to do. They didn't want to touch
24:33him. So this kid's just getting his head and all the kids are just like standing around laughing
24:37like it was a joke. And I ended up finding out later he did it because they, the other kids
24:41dared him to do something or whatever, literally just smashed his head in. I ended up catching seven
24:46or nine more, uh, battery charges while I was in. So I went to three different juvenile prisons and I
24:51was not able to, uh, work my way out. I ended up timing myself out. Once I turned 18, I,
24:57um, kind of like
24:58settled in where nobody messed with me. And then I ended up getting out right before I was 19 years
25:02old. They released me cause I was going to age out. The state doesn't do anything for you. They
25:06don't give you no help, no nothing. They literally just kick you out and say, hope you do good.
25:12Like literally you walk out the gates, no help, no money, no nothing. Um, it's set up for everybody
25:18to fail. It's up to you. I went through this stage of this juvenile thing where I came home. I
25:23was like,
25:23I'm never breaking the law again. If prisons like this, I want nothing to do with it. Six,
25:29eight months goes by. You're living life. You forget just like an ex. It was really toxic.
25:34It wasn't good, but you always give it that next shot. After some time, you forget about all the bad.
25:39So my friends graduated from doing smoking pot to cocaine.
25:48There was like a drought going on or something. I didn't know much about the Coke business,
25:52but my buddies were complaining. My next door neighbor was this female when I lived with my
25:56brother and this guy would come over all the time. And I never forget, he drove this Dodge
26:00like on 26s, a truck. And I'm just like dope boy written all over it. And I was like,
26:05Hey man, can I talk to you? And he's like, yeah. So I hit him up and I was like,
26:08you know, what's,
26:09you know, I noticed that, you know, I can tell what you're into. And he's like, yeah,
26:12what's up? What do you need? I'm like, my boys want an eight ball. So I get it. I take
26:16it to them.
26:17And they're like, Holy this is good. Like, this is fire. Like you can get this. We want more.
26:21So I gave him some more and I'm thinking like, why am I doing this for free? It wouldn't hurt
26:24to
26:24make a few extra dollars. Like I'm struggling. I, what I did was I took an eight ball and I
26:28put
26:28a little bit of cut on it, short to bags. I made four grams out of three and a half.
26:32So I made an extra 50 bucks. I did that twice within a couple hours. I was selling
26:38ounces by the end of the month. And you got to remember timing's everything. So I have some of the
26:43best product. My prices are great and it's unlimited and there's a drought. So all my
26:50competition right now can't find nothing really. One thing led to another and it just continued.
26:55And then, you know, me thinking like, ah, it'll be fine. I'm only going to do it for a short
26:58period
26:58of time. This is not going to be something I do a long period, just short. It's like an addiction,
27:02grabs you, gets really addicted. Then money starts coming in and you're like, yeah, yeah,
27:07let's just make 30,000. Then let's make 50,000. The money is not as so addictive as the lifestyle
27:15being involved in everything. The power is what I call it. Within like the first three months,
27:19I started pushing kilos. I started at the very bottom. I was pushing kilos. Some months I can
27:24make 75,000. I'd say 35 to 75,000, depending on how much product I was able to get. I
27:31had a big
27:31clientele where I was like a high-end people where I was selling grams and eight balls, like a good
27:36month
27:36and everybody paid me and I didn't get shorted or somebody get busted or get hit with my products.
27:41I can make $75,000 a month easily. I would literally call my guy up and be like, hey,
27:45listen, I need to get up with you. When I say get up with you, that means I'm ready to
27:48re-up.
27:49Once they leave, I'd break it up, put it in a package, and then I would call them back and
27:53be
27:53like, hey, where are you at? And then I would drop it off or have one of my guys drop
27:56it off.
27:57It's a simple process. It's not as complicated as they make it as like in the movies and stuff.
28:02There was a family in Florida, I think Port St. Lucie or something,
28:06and off the side of the Florida Turnpike, a whole family was executed, husband, wife,
28:11and the two kids, a Mexican family. And rumors had it, he stole like 60 kilos from the Mexican cartel.
28:18Once that happened, which was crazy, Mike connected on them, disappeared.
28:23So I was like, what in the world? So when something big like that happens and you understand how the
28:29game works, you get the hell out of town because the heat's coming. So here I am pushing three to
28:33five
28:33keys, sometimes a week, sometimes a month, depending on like how, because I mean, my connects,
28:40I mean, my clients would go elsewhere if I couldn't get it in the right amount of time or whatever.
28:44One would be good, one would be garbage. They would put just Coke on the top, represses. I'm like,
28:49this is a repress. But I was so desperate. I was buying this stuff and I was losing,
28:53I was losing my clientele because of the quality, whatever they choose to cut it with, they mix it
28:57so they can stretch the product. So you take a kilo, turn it into a kilo and a quarter,
29:02a kilo and a half, and then they put it back in a press and repress it. Getting a kilo
29:07from actual
29:08like Columbia or straight from the main source, they come with like a thick rubber vacuum seal.
29:15So think of like my truck inner tube. So inner tubes, so a bicycle, but semis,
29:21they're really, really thick. Like you literally take a razor knife and cut it two or three times
29:25and they vacuum seal it with that first. And then they wrap it with the tape with the label on
29:29the top
29:30of it. So when you get one that actually has that like thick rubber, like inner tube,
29:36like ceiling on it, you know, you got a real brick in the stamps. Also, if you go and look
29:42at pictures,
29:43you'll see like the stamp is like rounded when it goes down, when they stamp it down,
29:47they're kind of like rounded and they have like a wood grain look into it, like a mesh.
29:53Represses are not going to have that. I'm paying 28, $32,000 a brick at this point,
29:58I'm making no money. And it's not even that good. At the very beginning, when in my Mexico,
30:02I was paying around $18,500. And that was a really good price. Went to like $22,000, $23,000,
30:07pretty quick, but then it kind of capped out. I think most I paid like $25,000 at times.
30:11I gave up on United States. I realized I wasn't going to find it. Nobody wanted to give up their
30:15people. People hold on to it or they're just lying. So I was like, well, let's go back to the
30:2180s.
30:22Everybody was getting from Bahamas. My family had a house in Bahamas. I didn't go to the island. My
30:26family has a house on. I stayed away from there. I went to Freeport, which is Lakia.
30:30It's a tourist spot. I started talking to some sources I know. And they're like, bro, dude,
30:34like I know people that are getting 50, 60, a hundred kilos out of their in shipments. Like
30:40it's there. So I was like, so they're really like smuggling is a thing. They're like, Jason,
30:45it's never ended. Just remember there's more drugs in the United States than there was in the 80s
30:50because there's more population now, more drug use. He's like, so how do you think he gets here?
30:54It's smuggling. It's easy part. I feel like finding the connect has been the hardest part at all.
30:59I was like, well, I'm not giving up. There was this guy. He kept like strolling the block on Lakia,
31:04kept riding around. We see him all the time. So we're at the restaurant, hanging out, talking to
31:08him. And I'm like, man, why is it so hard to find stuff here? And he's like, I don't know
31:11what you're
31:12talking about. Like not, you know, didn't know if we were agents or what. And there was this room,
31:16this door and everybody kept coming in and out of it. I'm like, what's back there? And he's just like,
31:21what do you mean? I'm like, what's back there? Why does people keep coming in and out? And he goes,
31:23you police. I said, man, I empty everything. I'm like, I ain't nothing, dude. So Bohemians are not
31:28allowed to gamble. There's casinos on the Island, but the Bohemians are not allowed to. So he had all
31:34the underground gambling. So he had all these locations and he had all these little black
31:38back rooms that had like slot machines and all this stuff. And he was running this underground
31:42gambling thing for the locals. And, uh, so I was like, so, you know, people, he goes, maybe,
31:49I think I paid 13, five for it. I was like, they're going for 32 back at home. I said,
31:53that's a good profit. And I don't even got to do nothing. I can sell bricks and make good money.
31:57I was like, listen, I want five, 10 at a time. He said, not a problem. There's probably 15,
32:0320 other people over here doing the same thing. Like once you start going over there enough,
32:06you start realizing, you're looking around like, holy . Like these are the same faces here
32:10every time. I'm like, what are they doing? He's like, what do you think they're doing? The same thing as
32:13you. I ended up getting a source in the coast guard. I grew up with somebody. I kind of had
32:18somebody ask questions on like, where are y'all patrolling? What's going on? Somebody close. And
32:22I was paying him to ask questions as a close friend. If it was really good information, like,
32:28Hey, listen, we're patrolling. We're next couple of weeks. We're going to be trolling, uh, off of
32:31Freeport. We're surveillance in there. We know some stuff going on. That was a $5,000 payout. I would
32:36least make it worthwhile. Like, thank you so much. This is 2006, seven era, you know, time 2005,
32:43to seven. Um, at this point we're moving five or 10 out of time. I had custom dive tanks made.
32:49So what we do is to take the dive tank right off the bottom. Cause you got these little black
32:53plastic caps that go in that lock them into the little things. And we'd pull them off and had a
32:58machine shop cut them precise. And then they would weld this thing in and put these little O rings and
33:03all this stuff in these little pins. So we'd pop them apart and then they weld a bladder in there.
33:08So you can leave that much out the top and still have air. And the gauge would say that it
33:12had so much
33:12pressure. And then you could and have air and we would be able to fit, um, three to five kilos,
33:19depending on how I broke them up and shoved them in each one of them. I known somebody that was
33:23a
33:23drug smuggler, like when I was a kid. So I hit them up. I was like, how did you do
33:27it? Like what's
33:28going on? I knew I could trust them. He says, if you're going to do small amounts, do not hide
33:33it
33:33in your boat. Don't do nothing. Just put it in like in a, in a net bag, put a little
33:37bit of weight in it.
33:38He says, if you start seeing them come in, throw that thing nonchalant over side of the boat.
33:42Don't put enough weight in it to where it'll go straight to the bottom. He says, um, or not enough
33:48weight to where it floats. You want it, the current to carry it as far as possible to where it
33:55doesn't
33:55just go straight to the bottom. You got to remember the Coast Guard and U S customs are not going
34:00to
34:00pull you over in the middle of the ocean. They're going to wait until you come into out of international
34:03waters because they know where you're going, right? United States. Well, once you get out of international
34:08waters back in United States water, the water is only like 60 foot deep. So, you know, if you throw
34:14it over and go straight to the bottom, what are they going to do? They're going to dive down there
34:18and find it. So I would come across like I was fishing the banks all day, not even go to
34:22the
34:23islands where it showed on radar that I was going and I was going to swing in and dive down,
34:28grab the
34:28dope. I don't know if you've ever heard of, they're called weed lines where the two currents come
34:32together and it pushes all the trash in the ocean into like these weed lines where the two currents
34:36come together. I would have a tracker on the boat and my guy that was fishing these weed lines would
34:42be out there just come out and start fishing all day long. He knew what day I would come back
34:46and I
34:46would come and once he seen me activate that beeper, the tracking device, he would see it on his thing.
34:51Okay, this is where he's at. I would just ride by, not stop, just throw the dope over and the
34:56beacon would be
34:56there. He would pick up the boat dope and keep fishing throughout the rest of the day and I come
35:00right on in
35:01empty loaded. When they're watching the satellites and the radar, they just see a boat going out 10,
35:0615, 20 miles fishing all day, just like everybody else. They don't see him intercepting a boat out.
35:11There were two boats pull up on it. He didn't go to Bahamas. So they're not watching him.
35:20When I was in the cocaine business, I literally lived like a bum. I would have like a decent vehicle.
35:26I lived in a small house because you have to play the game. How am I going to be living
35:32in something
35:33big and don't have nothing to show how I got it? That's the best thing to get gossip and people
35:38are talking about you. And I just did a podcast with the law enforcement guy. And one of the main
35:44reasons why they never really came after me is because I was so quiet. I wasn't loud. Somebody was
35:49always willing to take that spotlight from me. So I'd never spent no money really didn't really do much.
35:53I had a lot of hit investments doing stuff like that behind the scenes. I invested into a medical
35:58marijuana and a weed operation out in Colorado and California. So we are making pretty good money
36:04at the time. But when I got out of the game, it was so depressing because you don't realize
36:10the excitement, the thrill and how you had that needle in your arm stuck the whole time until you
36:14get out of it. Now all of a sudden your phone's not blowing up. You're not the popular guy. You
36:19ain't
36:19cool no more. Somebody else done took your place. When I tell you the day you get out of the
36:24game,
36:24it's like within 20, 40, 48 hours. Who are you again? Jason who? And it was kind of depressing.
36:33I mean, it was days I couldn't get off the couch because I was so addicted to making money. Now
36:38I'm
36:38not making that kind of money. Like I had this little loan sharking thing, some other stuff going on, but
36:42it wasn't until I got in the pain clinic where I can actually be like, Hey, where are you getting
36:47your
36:48money? Oh, I have this pain clinic. You know, the money's in the bank now. I didn't buy stuff,
36:54cash. I was swiping a card, swipe, swipe, swipe. There we go. It was the root of all evil. That's
36:59when we started buying Ferraris, Lamborghinis, you know, $20,000, $30,000 nights in strip clubs,
37:04laying in helicopters where we wanted to drop them at. My average monthly spending between all my bills
37:10and operations was $250,000, $350,000 a month just to survive. Just the racing alone. I mean,
37:17we were going through so many race motors and race cars. I mean, that race car was half a million
37:20dollar race car, a drag car, six second outlaw. And it's just JV racing, motorsports. We didn't
37:26have no advertisement on it. We had a half million dollars in the car and hadn't even made it down
37:31the track yet. The motor alone was 101,000, just a hundred thousand. And every so many passes,
37:38it costs another 14,000 just to freshen it up after so many passes. Tires, this, that. My daughter was
37:43born
37:438-13-08. So beginning to 09-ish, somewhere in there, I was done. I was, it was over with.
37:56I had enough money. And I was just at the point where I was just like,
38:00it's, it's not worth it. Once I had my daughter and I come home and I held her
38:04after the last go around, I told myself I was done.
38:07How was it that you had at that point? It's hard to say because you got assets,
38:11cash, bank accounts, and the millions. I had millions.
38:20The day the George brothers showed up is when our investigation started.
38:24So I was in end of nine, beginning of 10, they put a task force on us.
38:28I walked away from Zach. I started the Georgia thing and moved on.
38:33And was it months later, the George, all three pain clinics in Florida got shut down by the DEA.
38:40I'll never forget. I was going to get pumped gas. Zach calls me and was like,
38:47hey, is your pain card working? And I'm like, why? And he's like, dude,
38:51I tried to use mine this morning. It's not working. I can't get no way to return my phone calls.
38:56And we haven't talked in a while. Like we're not friends. Then we find out that the Florida
39:00clinics got hit and they seized all our assets, all our businesses, bank accounts,
39:04everything was shut down. I really have no money in cash. I invested into all these other businesses.
39:09I've forked out tons of money in these pharmacies, the medical marijuana, the fertilizer company.
39:16I've got money out everywhere. I had $300 in my pocket. Atlanta Medical Group,
39:20every penny went into the bank. They seized that. So Florida seized that because it was tied to
39:25Jacksonville. And I didn't want to tell nobody in Georgia all my things. I only brought my office
39:30manager in and was like, this is what the deal is. So we're going to start up another bank account.
39:34Luckily we had enough pills in there and everything going on to where we could stay afloat. We just got
39:39a shipment of pills in. They were bought and paid for. So the clinic is still operating. People are
39:44paying in cash. So at the end of the day, we have a pharmacy full of pills. Doctors are writing
39:50scripts.
39:50We, at the end of the day, we got a stack of cash. I already hired big time attorneys. They're
39:55all
39:55telling me that, um, indictments will be coming. They didn't arrest nobody when they raided all the
40:01clinics in Florida. Yeah. I finally get this good attorney and he goes, meets with the feds.
40:05Um, he comes back and he says, you're going to go to prison for a long time. He said, no
40:11matter what
40:11you do. And I'm like, really? He goes, yeah, they're going to make a political statement out of y'all.
40:17And I'm like, okay. So what's my options? He says, you can shut your Atlanta operation down
40:23and everything else and, um, just wait for them. Or you can keep that operation up and running.
40:30And the amount of time you're going to get down here and they'll run that concurrent and nothing
40:34else will happen to you and just stack as much money as you can to make sure everybody's taken care
40:37of this. If I'm not going to get no more trouble, it's let's, let's double down. Let's go as hard
40:43as
40:43we can stack. So that was the operation. And, um, I couldn't believe it. They let us go for another
40:50like 16 months and, um, they finally raided my Georgia clinics. When we got indicted, the DEA said
40:59that how they did it was is first they looked at the top 10 prescribing doctors in the nation
41:04between Vinnie Colangelo, me and Zach and the George brothers, we had probably the top 25 or 30.
41:10So that's how big they had to go to figure out where it ends. We went to the top. Now
41:15we're the top
41:17purchasers of oxycodone in the nation. The Florida case was my problem. Florida case was the bad one.
41:23That was the one that I didn't think I would, that I was impossible to win.
41:27So Florida case is the one that had all the drug dealers, the bribes, all the bad stuff,
41:32everything you can think about. It was just absolutely bad. Everybody's cooperating.
41:36Everybody. Doctors are already took plea deals. Zach's cooperating. Everybody's cooperating.
41:41Everybody's admitting that it was run bad and everybody knew. My good friend, Brooke,
41:45Brooke was my personal attorney on all my legal drug stuff. She told us, you don't talk,
41:49I'll get you out anything you want. Just shut the hell up. And, um, I'm complaining to her. I'm like,
41:54Brooke, these attorneys, this attorney's that. And she finally was like, listen, Jason,
41:59I don't mess with the feds. And there's a reason why I don't play with these people. She says,
42:01I'll take your case and your case only. I have a good mentor to help me through this.
42:06So Brooke takes the case and it's just absolutely horrible. It's so bad. And, um, we get into it.
42:13We fight. There's times that she was in tears, begging my family for me to take a plea deal at
42:17times because she didn't want to watch me go away for life. Cause it was a life sentence if I
42:21was found
42:21guilty. Cause there was deaths involved, OD and that I wasn't charged with, but it was just going to be
42:27bad. It was going to be set in an example. I'm fighting both cases at the same time. Right.
42:31I wasn't even arrested for Florida yet. I got arrested in Georgia first while I was getting
42:38pulled over and tracked by the cops. And they pulled me over. I'm on the phone with Brooke,
42:41like Brooke, they got us. I said, there's so many agents here. Got us pulled over right now.
42:45I get bond. I'm out. I'm at a strip club doing work. My phone won't stop blowing up. And the
42:50family
42:50looking at it says, you just been indicted in Florida. Truck conspiracy, oxycodone, um, and money laundering.
42:56They're all the same. She built the case off of painting this picture that everybody was looking
43:01at so much time that they would say and do whatever it took to get out of trouble with
43:04Zach's phone calls. Zach is talking crazy on the jail phone calls talking about,
43:09I'll say and do whatever it takes for me to come home. I don't care what I got to say,
43:13whatever they want me to say, I'm going to say it. Cause I'm coming home. I ain't doing all this
43:17time.
43:18And we got this phone calls and Brooke was like, let's do this. Uh, after a month long trial,
43:24uh, seven people cooperate against me and got on the stand. Um, Brooke absolutely just
43:30beliterated them during the trial with the, with the recordings and everything else.
43:33They all took plea deals. He messed up. He was supposed to only get a small amount of time,
43:36but playing in recordings, he got more time. So I was found not guilty. And that's unheard of.
43:41I was supposed to go to trial two months later. They postponed it because they didn't have no
43:45witnesses. They didn't have nobody cooperating against me yet. Jesse finally folds. My office manager
43:51folds. So I go to trial, I was found guilty. I got 15 years in federal prison. So I appeal
43:57it
43:57on double jeopardy. Cause they were both, they intertwined. I got denied all the way through
44:01until I got out. Purdue pharma is the company that, um, created oxycodone, oxy cotton. It's owned by
44:13the Sackler family and people don't really understand that. They think that it's only people like dope
44:18boys in on the streets or drug dealers like me. Um, but no, it's not, it's people in suits,
44:24people in ties. Pill mills are an issue in the U S is because the sole purpose, the ones that
44:28were
44:28doing it illegally and pushing the pills were doing it just to put drugs on the street and they were
44:33getting in the wrong hands with the wrong people. People were getting medication, uh, large amounts
44:38and the doctors wouldn't monitor it. Right. So they were getting addicted. And once they get addicted,
44:43they were having to go and sell them on the streets and lie, steal and do stuff to continue their
44:48addiction. And that's why it became a problem. Purdue pharma lobbied Congress to pretty much
44:54exempt them from prosecution. They pay fines. We do time. Purdue pharma and these other companies,
44:58they knew it was an issue. They know they lied. They know they manipulate. You can read the reports
45:02and they did it for the sole purpose, like a drug dealer on the corner, like Frank Lucas did
45:06here in New York. They sent their main guys down to educate our doctors and they left that part out.
45:11They say order for this to pass, it has to be under a certain percentage of, uh, dependency,
45:17which was a lie. They're telling our doctors, well, if they're saying this, you prescribe them that
45:21like on the bottle, it says, this is how you prescribe it. This is what you do. Doctors only
45:25know what they're being told from these big companies. Most of these doctors were set up.
45:30They were doing exactly what they were taught and told. And then they got prosecuted because people
45:35were getting, you know, it was ruining their lives, like gambling, sex, everything else. And, um,
45:40let's just say that everybody else, um, paid the price for their, um, their profits. And instead of
45:48going to the source, the head that's created this issue, which is Purdue and the distributors,
45:53people that was teaching our doctors and telling them what to do. And we're the last,
45:58they can't go no higher than us to just to tell America, look what we're doing. We're fixing the
46:04problem. Just like the cartels, they take one head out, knowing that vice president of that cartel
46:11is going to become the head of the cartel. No one, it ain't going to do nothing, but they get
46:15to
46:15do this nice press. Look what we got. Look, we just took out the three biggest pain clinic pill mills.
46:21But meanwhile, there's still 600 pain clinics still owned and operated in the Southern region.
46:28When I was going to trial, I knew it was really bad. That's why I didn't want to get into
46:31it.
46:32I knew it was really bad, but then at the same time, it's like they're allowing you to do it.
46:35It's like casinos. It's like gambling is a horrible thing. We allow it. It's very addictive. People
46:41lose everything, destroy their lives, but they still allow them to do it. Is it right? No. But
46:46is it legal? It's legal. It's a moral thing, right? It is a moral thing. You know, it's like,
46:52you know, this person has addictive personality. Why would you do drugs around him and taunt him? You
46:58know, legal is something that I'm allowed to do it, but it's not really right. Like,
47:05we shouldn't be doing these things just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.
47:08You know what they were doing? Investing their time on our doctors, making sure the doctors were happy,
47:13making sure the doctors were prescribing, making sure that any questions they had were answered.
47:16The doctors, you got to remember, they were their own people, 1099. They were, you know,
47:25subcontractors. So if they wanted to meet with the reps, that's their 222 form DEA registration
47:31number. That is their business. It's just a game. It's the code. It's the game. It's,
47:36you can't get in this game and get mad because they paid and they, they got the connects. They got
47:41the pool. I mean, you can still get oxycodone and now you're getting fentanyl from the doctors.
47:46What they did was, is they made doctors not want to prescribe it, but they're still doing it.
47:50It's still out there. It's just doctors are scared because they were giving them so much time.
47:53They changed some of the rules, like in-house dispensary. You can only dispense like three
47:58days at a time or whatever, but you still run a pain clinic and write scripts and make money.
48:01Nobody cares about your health. When they allowed me to do what I did, me, Zach, Vinny,
48:06George brothers allowed us to do what we did. It showed America that they didn't care about
48:12your life at all. They don't care. They allowed criminals like me, because I'm a criminal. I'm not
48:18going to lie. I've been a criminal my whole life. When they allowed somebody like me to do this and
48:23know that I was a drug smuggler and I was a known criminal, somebody that's been to prison, what
48:30makes you believe that that's changed their thoughts and how they believe and think? Think about that.
48:40When COVID hit, they lock all the prison systems down. Once they did that and COVID was so bad in
48:46the prisons, so bad. It was weeks later, they called a town hall and they're like, okay, guys,
48:51listen, anybody that meets these requirements, we got to start filling out this paperwork.
48:55You're probably going to go home to home confinement for a short period of time. So I stay out for
48:59three
48:59and a half years on home confinement. Trump did the thing during COVID. I got out on home confinement,
49:04and then Biden gave me a clemency. I got some really, really high connects and FAM.
49:11So I was introduced to somebody that is really high ranking in the prison reform thing. Clemency
49:18got rid of my prison sentence. So no longer on ankle monitor. I'm able to do what I want to
49:22do.
49:23Travel. I was on probation afterwards, a financial, because they hit me with a $4.3 million fine.
49:30You know, they monitor my finances pretty regularly. They said that I buried $8.8 million and then they
49:37negotiate down to $3.9 million. So I'll tell you this, I didn't even know them out. So how do
49:43they
49:43know it? They take a percentage of what income comes in. So it can vary. It's been as low as
49:50$25 a month, all the way up to $250 a month. It's never going to get paid. I don't have
49:55no victims.
49:56It's court fines. So I did all eight of the time getting bonded. Everything's around eight years.
50:05I do speeches. I have 10 toes podcast that I do. And I just started my new clothing line. It's
50:11called Dope Boy Empire. The ex agent in my case, Mike, we started the pig in the plug. He's the
50:18pig,
50:18the cop on the plug. We, I started going on their law enforcement podcasts,
50:24anti-heroes. And he has Copville. I run a small construction business doing remodels and stuff
50:30like that because that's what, you know, I wasn't allowed to do much when I was in home confinement,
50:36getting off. So I'm just getting into growing into bigger things. But that is the moneymaker right now.
50:41Knowing the outcome, I wish I would have went harder at the game. I would have made more money and
50:45put
50:45more money away knowing the outcome. How are you going to protect your daughter? What are you going
50:49to teach her? It's scary you say that. I have conversations with her of truth. I don't hide
50:55nothing from her. That's a sore subject because the destruction and pain that I've done helped other
51:01people is my worst fear that that's going to come back and bite me. That's going to be my thing.
51:10And the only thing I can do is continue to preach to her and explain to her my flaws,
51:14what I lost out on, what it's done to other people. Look at these people that made bad
51:20choices and went down the road of drugs. And who can I blame? Myself. The only thing I can tell
51:24people is, for all the young people out there, y'all got to quit idolizing these stories on Hollywood
51:32and these rappers and everything else because it's all fun and games so you get the handcuffs put on you.
51:39I was that young guy that was watching those movies and the stories and seeing,
51:43oh, they only got 10 years, they moved tons of kilos of heroin, cocaine, and all this stuff.
51:48Oh, I can do that. I just justify it. I'd just be like, oh, millions for five years?
51:53Like, oh, sign me up. Well, guys, that's not the truth.
51:55Sometimes I just try to acknowledge that they were pretty fast, but I guess it's not the truth.
51:58My wife and I did something else.
52:05I need to be like, oh, I love you.
52:05Yes, it's not the truth.
52:10You guys are connected to the truth.
52:10I love you, too.
52:11I'm through the truth.
52:11My wife and I do love you.
52:12I love you.
52:12I love you, too.
52:13I love you, too.
52:14I love you.
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52:18I love you, too.
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