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00:11The investigation on Skinwalker Ranch has launched to another level of high strangeness.
00:18Hey, we got a light right there.
00:20What the heck is that?
00:22You see it right there?
00:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it.
00:23But after the stunning events in the season seven premiere.
00:27Type A ceramics is fluorescent.
00:31Does the team have an explanation for what they encountered?
00:35Look at that.
00:36It looks like the parachute cord just broke.
00:38There's something up there besides the rocket, and we're just beginning to get a glimpse of it.
00:43And are they prepared for what might happen next?
00:48Never seen anything.
00:49Never seen anything like that before.
00:51Oh, yeah.
00:52Let's find out behind the gates.
01:06Wow.
01:08Another incredible kickoff to what clearly is going to be an incredible year.
01:13You guys, right from the jump tonight, things start to go crazy.
01:17I want to get into all of it.
01:19You know, it's almost not surprising that we see so much craziness.
01:23Well, we don't get surprised anymore.
01:24No, not so much.
01:26There's a lot of strange things going on, and now our ability to capture and observe it is even better,
01:31hopefully leading to more answers.
01:32First of all, I just want to thank you because I understand what a privilege this is.
01:35Brandon, thank you again for allowing me this access.
01:38Thank you for coming out.
01:39I don't believe there has ever been a frontier science effort on the planet that has brought together not only
01:45a team like this, but also the infrastructure to be able to truly analyze what is happening.
01:52Well, I love it.
01:53And so with that in mind, an exciting thing that was alluded to tonight is a new plan of drilling
01:58in the Mesa.
01:58Could you talk about that?
02:00Yeah, there's something going on inside of the Mesa that we refer to as the anomaly.
02:05As attested to by the ground-penetrating radar results, we see something that is at least 400 feet in length.
02:12And then there are these apparent satellite bits that have been compared to a debris field.
02:17Literally looks like something crashed into the Mesa and spread out with debris all around it with the major piece
02:23in the middle.
02:25You know, based on our drilling exercises from the past couple of years, we know that it's only 33 feet
02:30down below the surface.
02:32That's very reachable.
02:34And so rather than do horizontal drilling exercises, our hope is to get right on top of it.
02:39Oh, wow.
02:40So go down because you've already come from each side.
02:43Now let's go down right on top.
02:44Yeah.
02:45The fact that we've extracted different types of engineered material that is not naturally occurring from deep within that Mesa
02:54has really warranted more drilling in the exploration activity.
02:58And Brandon, I'm so glad you said that because you've seen not just scientific results on a screen, but tangible
03:03physical results.
03:04That could be whatever's in the Mesa.
03:06And I think that's what's sitting here in front of me.
03:08Which of these materials on the table do you think belongs inside of a sandstone Mesa?
03:13None.
03:14There was actually quite a bit of this material recovered.
03:16We sometimes refer to it as the metal flakes.
03:19We have this other material that is quite different from this one, though it is also metallic.
03:23And now we also have potentially two different kinds of ceramic or ceramic-like material.
03:28So just to be clear, this is what you guys are referring to as the type A ceramic that last
03:33year you had tested and was compared to possibly space shuttle tiles or at least having properties.
03:39Very similar, yes.
03:40And it looked like it would withhold heat and protect, you know, like you could heat it up and hold
03:46it in your hand and not feel the heat from it, right?
03:48Just like the space shuttle tiles.
03:49And this being the type B material that we saw tonight during some testing that's been done.
03:56We're just at the beginning of investigating what is this material.
03:59And initially we see that for sure it responds differently to UV light exposure.
04:05Well, let's take a look at it.
04:08So you guys watch it on the screen here.
04:10Most ceramics actually absorb ultraviolet light.
04:13They don't do any fluorescing at all.
04:16What's interesting about it is all of a sudden type A is fluorescing.
04:22Wow.
04:24You're saying that typical ceramics that you see don't glow under a black light like this.
04:28Correct.
04:29Now what's interesting about type B is the coloring doesn't fluoresce the same as type A.
04:38But here's another thing I found.
04:40Under a microscope, I saw some buildup and erosion that happened.
04:44But on both the type A and the type B ceramics, it would take a long, long time to occur.
04:51How much time?
04:53Is it tens of years or hundreds of years?
04:55Conservatively, it's in the thousands.
04:58Thousands?
05:01So how could something that was made or manufactured somewhat recently be in the mesa for thousands of years?
05:11Be ancient.
05:12That's the question.
05:13How'd that get in the mesa?
05:14That deep where we found it, that level, that's the big mystery of all this.
05:18What appears to be very ancient could be quite sophisticated and technologically advanced, which really baffles.
05:26Yeah, when do you find yourself in a conversation when you're discussing the ancient and the engineered or the advanced
05:33or technological?
05:35And then you match that with the metallic substance and it's one of the greatest mysteries that has been unfolding
05:42here at Skinwalker Ranch.
05:44Boy, can't wait to see what more drilling yields.
05:47But let's go back to where we started, this incredible, bold experiment that you guys ran.
05:54And did you actually capture the bubble on LiDAR again?
05:57And I want to talk about that next.
05:59Yeah.
06:02In the Season 7 premiere, the team was about to launch into a daring experiment right in the center of
06:08the bubble.
06:08But before they could even begin, strange and disturbing things kept happening.
06:14Guys, so much to process.
06:16First of all, let's talk about the goals of this experiment at the Triangle.
06:19What was the thought going into it of what you were hoping to see?
06:22Matt, as you know, a lot of what we're doing is effectively a mapping operation inside of the bubble.
06:27We're talking about a structure that has a radius of about 2,000 feet centered on the triangle.
06:34And then there's a region of unusual anomalies, that vertical space right over the triangle.
06:39Well, you know, the first time that we realized that there was something about that spot above the triangle
06:47was when a rocket exploded at that low of an altitude, 31 feet.
06:51We captured the blob on the high-speed camera.
06:54So now we, with this experiment, the idea is we can put rocket motors up there, launch them or fire
07:01them off,
07:02and put that energy into that space and see if we get a repeated result
07:06and if maybe the blob reappears or whatever this is.
07:10Well, I'm really excited to have these two towers out in the triangle
07:13that get us just about to that 30-foot mark where we've seen so much strange activity.
07:19Thomas, I've got to tell you, man, the towers look cool.
07:23Tower motors ignited! It's smoking!
07:27So the ability to do an experiment off the top of one while observing it from the other,
07:32it was amazing, and I think it's going to give us a lot of data moving forward.
07:36You're just doing the setup for this incredible experiment, and things start going wrong.
07:40You know, Matty, one of the things that we've noticed over the years
07:43is when we have some big intent to do something,
07:48it seems like the ranch, a lot of times, and I know this sounds crazy,
07:54but it seems like it's trying to thwart that intent in some way or the other,
07:58or at least make it difficult.
08:00And right as we started this, we immediately started detecting a 1.2 gigahertz signal.
08:06Yeah, that's right. You know, we were seeing it come from different directions.
08:15What's that noise?
08:17Something's coming through the computer, man.
08:19I don't know what it is.
08:21I don't know what's happening.
08:25I don't know what that was.
08:27There's one little peak right here at 1.2.
08:31Suddenly I got 1.2 showing up.
08:33This is strange.
08:36Hey, Eric, be advised, I'm getting a 1.2 signal showing up.
08:41Copy that, Travis.
08:42Yeah, I can confirm several 1.2 peaks.
08:46Hey, y'all, let's see if I can see where that thing's coming from.
08:53Well, that's sky facing.
08:56That's Mesa facing.
08:59That's facing the Mesa?
09:00That's facing the Mesa.
09:01That's facing the sky.
09:02So it's not coming from the sky.
09:03It's coming from the Mesa.
09:05Uh, yeah, that 1.2 is very strong.
09:08It is dominant, it is constant, and it is from the south-southwest.
09:13That's weird, man.
09:15It appeared as if there were two different signals, one coming from inside the Mesa and one from somewhere else.
09:21Could it be that there's some kind of common intelligence reacting to you guys, running it from everywhere?
09:26Like, where's it coming from?
09:27We don't know if it's in two places at once or if it's actually moving.
09:30It's transient.
09:31Yeah, that's the right word.
09:32So think about it, last year, we start transmitting at 1.2 gigahertz, then we start picking up signals at
09:371.2 gigahertz.
09:38It's like it's mimicking you, or taking that signal that you originally sent out, now it's broadcasting back to you
09:44like a ghost signal or something.
09:46Well, is it a ghost signal, is it a response, or is it an attempt to thwart?
09:51But now that we realize that this bubble is some sort of real phenomenon, you know, I don't know what
10:00it means yet, but it's something.
10:02Could it be the culprit in making us think the signal is coming from over there or over there or
10:08over there?
10:08Is it reflecting off the bubble, being redirected by the bubble?
10:12I don't know, but we absolutely have to keep that in mind now when we make measurements.
10:16So as if it weren't strange enough with this 1.2 gigahertz signal, you then start picking up the 1
10:21.6, which is odd for several reasons.
10:26Why did that create such attention to you guys?
10:29Yeah, several times over the last few years, we've seen that 1.6 gigahertz signal modulate itself, meaning it's pulsing
10:40in an intelligent way, not a random way, which suggests that it's a communication signal.
10:46This signal looked like it was a communication signal of data to something or from somewhere.
10:52And all this happens during a time where you've got two towers up, you're blasting things into the blob.
10:57Right at that moment is when this happens. Is there a correlation there? I mean, it's hard not to see
11:01one.
11:02It comes down to timing, right? But we have so much data to suggest that these strange behaviors with the
11:101.6 and 1.2, what we're seeing with the rockets there, the triangle, are correlated with the beginning and
11:17the ending of our experiment.
11:18We seem to only hear the bell ring after we whack it.
11:22Back to your point. Yeah, you whack the bell and things happen.
11:25That makes me think of Pete Kelsey's LIDAR scans and this notion, are we watching the bubble kind of turn
11:31on and off or react to agitation?
11:34We don't know if this bubble is always there. We don't know if it's responding to stimulus.
11:39If you poke it over here, does it respond there or does the whole thing respond somehow or other?
11:46There's evidence to support the latter.
11:47Like in science fiction movies when there's a force field, a big shield around something, you hit it over here,
11:52you see the whole thing shimmer.
11:53Just incredible.
11:55But some other phenomena showed its head again during this experiment and I want to talk about that next.
12:00Great. Sure.
12:02First, the team saw signals that something very bizarre was up during their experiment.
12:08But then, did they start seeing where those signals were coming from?
12:12Guys, Dave Mason's incredible image, we just saw this cold spot on the horizon, just stunning visually.
12:20What do we think that was?
12:21When you see a cold spot like that and it lingers, that means there's something significant sitting there.
12:28You kind of need to understand what Dave Mason's instrument does, right?
12:32It's super, super sensitive to changes in temperature.
12:36It'll measure something that's basically a thousandth of a degree in temperature change.
12:42Yeah.
12:42And so, you know, either we're seeing, as we've just described, a lingering cold spot or maybe we're seeing the
12:49removal of heat.
12:50How about its scale?
12:52Did that stand out to you?
12:53Well, it appears just from the landmarks in the video and so on that this thing might be as much
13:00as 100 or more feet across.
13:02And that's a pretty big region.
13:04Yeah.
13:04So, you know, and the location is interesting, you know, as if it's behind it or coming out of the
13:10mesa.
13:11Yeah.
13:11And we can't really say where it is exactly.
13:14Is it right there at the top of the mesa?
13:16And maybe it's the void just at the surface and up.
13:20Is it further back?
13:22What caused that?
13:23I don't know.
13:24So where did the energy go?
13:26Why did it suddenly get cold, right?
13:28What happened right there?
13:30For there to be a cold spot sitting there directly behind the mesa, behind the triangle, while we're doing this
13:37experiment.
13:37Almost like it's opening a void or a portal or something is allowing passage or the appearance of other phenomena.
13:46You used the word portal.
13:47I want to be careful about that.
13:49It is actually a portal in the data.
13:52Like we're showing that the temperature went somewhere else.
13:55But it's not a portal like sci-fi portal, right?
13:59Yeah.
13:59There was definitely a void.
14:00Thank you for the clarity.
14:03Yes.
14:03If there was an energy source, say, for example, the source of this mysterious signal that you guys are getting,
14:09might it look like that?
14:10What's going on here?
14:11I don't know.
14:12But what's really interesting to me is we've seen how many anomalous objects, UAPs, coming in and out of that
14:20area right there where this cold spot was.
14:24So as this is all going on, Travis, you decide to launch a rocket in the center of the triangle.
14:30And the results were literally shocking.
14:33Yeah, well, 30-something feet above the triangle is where we'd seen the blob in previous experiments.
14:40So we're stimulating that spot.
14:42I thought, well, we should launch a rocket through it because that's how we found the blob in the first
14:45place.
14:46And we launched the rocket.
14:48And while it made it through the area and went up to the apogee where the chute would deploy, something
14:55happened that I've never seen before.
14:59Look at that.
15:00It looks like the parachute cord just broke.
15:04That's not burned.
15:05No.
15:06I mean, if that was burned, you wouldn't see these little fibers.
15:08No, that is not burned.
15:09That is unbelievable.
15:11What?
15:12That's 500-pound cord.
15:14It should not break like that.
15:15That is bizarre.
15:18Did the rocket crash into something?
15:21You had mentioned 500 pounds of pressure.
15:24The shock cord in the rocket, which could withstand more than 500 pounds of force, was sheared completely in two.
15:32It's more than 10 times, it's really about 100 times stronger than it needs to be.
15:39And so this cord looked like it was cut cleanly right in the middle, there's no burn marks, and it
15:50was just cut cleanly.
15:53I've never seen anything like that before.
15:56You've launched a lot of rockets in your career.
15:57A lot of rockets.
15:58Never seen anything like that.
15:59Never seen anything like that.
16:00Now, I've seen chute cords break, but they're usually burned, and it looks like it was just smoothly sheared, and
16:06I don't understand that.
16:07Well, in review, we watched you find something that might actually explain it, and some other incredible results, and I
16:15want to talk about those next, because your night was not over.
16:17You're right.
16:20When the team launched a rocket, they were hoping to come in contact with something that might help explain the
16:25blog.
16:26Well, they may have very much succeeded.
16:28Trying to figure out what could possibly explain this incredible phenomenon with the tearing of that rocket cord, in analyzing
16:36the data, you saw something very significant.
16:40Before we talk about what that image was and what it might mean, I want to talk about the technology
16:44itself, because we've kind of glossed over this incredible creation that you've made, this Metaframe technology.
16:50You invented this technology that I know a lot of people would want to get their hands on it.
16:55Right.
16:55This is an image processing or video data processing tool.
16:59You know, so often we have these fleeting events that may last for the equivalent of one frame, and, you
17:06know, most of the time we're likely to miss that sort of thing.
17:08And what if we do sort of a combination of long exposure and time lapse with some math in between
17:14to help really bring out the details?
17:16Well, that's what Metaframe does for us.
17:17Fair to say that your work here on the ranch, it kind of almost necessitated an invention like this through
17:23trial and error of you just wishing you could capture a moment like that.
17:27Yeah, I think you're referring to one of the events that we caught during the rocket exercise and everything else
17:31we had going on at the Triangle.
17:33Absolutely.
17:34This stunning moment.
17:35Talk about the timeline in terms of when we see this image, what was happening exactly during the experiment.
17:40Right.
17:40So in the moment, we launch the rocket.
17:43The rocket goes up.
17:44It looks like it's going to be normal.
17:46We hear the shoot charge go.
17:47But then we hear something come down faster than it should have, and we realize that the shock cord separated.
17:56And we didn't really know what was going on and what could have caused it.
18:00And so then we see this flash in the Metaframe appear, and that's about the time we see the rocket
18:07coming down in two pieces.
18:09And this will be playing back like a time lapse.
18:14That looks like a rocket launch.
18:17Whoa.
18:18Then that big flash is our rocket motor burning.
18:21But then notice this light right here.
18:25What is that?
18:26That's crazy, dude.
18:27The timing of this feature in the video record with what happened to that cord really raises questions for me.
18:37That's a good point, Eric.
18:38You may have caught whatever caused the rocket to tear itself apart.
18:43So flash is shorthand for energetic event.
18:47And I think an energetic event is a good description of something that would rip that cord apart, you know,
18:54with the kind of force you've described.
18:56You know, look, there's something up there besides the rocket, and we're just beginning to get a glimpse of it.
19:02So I think we're maybe getting some more evidence to stack up that some energetic event is happening that may
19:10be connected to the failure of these rockets.
19:13If it wasn't for Eric's proprietary technology platform, we wouldn't have captured it.
19:19And Eric is going to be putting into service even more this year as we launch into these other experiments.
19:25We will never do another experiment where Metaframe isn't running on multiple systems.
19:29Awesome.
19:29We started this discussion talking about the potential goals of an experiment like this, and in trying to define what
19:37the blob might be.
19:38Is it its own thing?
19:39Is it related to the bubble?
19:41Where do we stand now after what we just saw?
19:44I tend to think that what we've been calling the blob may be kind of a cross-section of something
19:49much larger or a sampling of it.
19:51But, you know, it's tempting to think of things like these structures in the data as maybe giving us a
19:57picture of what could be the nervous system of the phenomenon itself.
20:01Well put.
20:02Yeah, really well put.
20:03That's brilliantly stated.
20:05Wow, a lot to process.
20:08I love watching these hours with you guys because there's just so much data, and as we've alluded to, it
20:13happens so fast.
20:14It's great to go through with you guys, hear some thoughts that we didn't get watching the actual episode.
20:20And it's so illuminating.
20:21I hope you guys find it helpful.
20:23I know it's great for us.
20:25I feel like these conversations are like Metaframe for our whole experience.
20:29Excellent.
20:30Well said.
20:31Well, we can't wait to see what's next, and we'll do it again right here in the Command Center next
20:34week.
20:35Yeah.
20:36Well, if this is where Season 7 starts, then the sky's the limit for where it's going to go.
20:42Buckle up, and we'll see you next week here, Behind the Gates.
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