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00:06Please open the chest, in three, two, one.
00:25Rascal, I'm really sorry.
00:33Jack, good evening, then.
00:53Hello and welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale.
00:57I'm Ed Gamble and I'm here at the BBC Radio Theatre with an amazing audience made up of Traitors and
01:02Faithful.
01:06So, what have we got coming up in this final episode?
01:10Claudia Winkleman can finally spill all on this incredible series of the Traitors.
01:14Chest of Chance victim James and finalist Jade reflect on going to battle at the round table,
01:19the ceremonial dagger and surviving suspicion.
01:22Finalists, Faraz and Jack, talk us through that nail-biting endgame.
01:25And our historic winners, Rachel and Stephen, will be joining us for their first ever interviews.
01:30Make sure you're sitting comfortably because this is the Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale.
01:41We'll be bringing on the players shortly, but before that, I'm thrilled to once again introduce the truly incredible Claudia
01:47Winkleman!
01:51Welcome.
01:51Thank you so much for having me.
01:53Welcome, Claudia.
01:54I just love seeing everybody look.
01:56No.
01:57Look how smart they look.
01:58Look how gorgeous.
01:59Very gorgeous.
02:00All alive, crucially.
02:01They're all alive.
02:02Yes, vital.
02:02Very nice.
02:03Thank you for joining us again on Uncloaked, Claudia.
02:06An amazing final episode.
02:08What was it like watching it all back?
02:11Emotional, because I was watching with the entire cast, and I believe that none of you knew the outcome.
02:19So it was really thrilling.
02:21Then everyone's standing up at the end.
02:23It's emotional.
02:24I mean, you can see when I do it, I get a bit too in.
02:27You are invested.
02:28I cried before Rachel and Stephen.
02:33It was weird.
02:34A lot of tears at the end there.
02:36Is that very happy to see them win, but also it's that sort of tension that's been built up across
02:41the whole game?
02:41Absolutely.
02:42And you really didn't know which way it was going to go.
02:46I mean, just listening to Stephen breathing at that endgame, I was like, oh my goodness.
02:52And so just the relief.
02:53And they were so happy.
02:54And I found their end and their love for each other incredibly moving.
03:01Why do you think they were able to make it to the end together?
03:04What do you think that was special about them?
03:07I think that, I mean, the entire cast, I'm not just saying this because you're sitting opposite me, were utterly
03:14magnificent.
03:15And what I loved about Rachel and Stephen, from the very beginning, you can almost watch it back knowing what
03:22you know now.
03:22They just looked after each other without being obvious, without going, no, no, no, they're fine.
03:26If something came into play, she was like, all right, I'm just going to do this to look after him.
03:31And he would do the same for her.
03:32And they made that alliance.
03:34And we've never seen that before.
03:35Lots of people make alliances and they last, you know, an episode, five minutes.
03:40But they decided.
03:43And not Romeo and Juliet, because that ended badly.
03:45But Bonnie and Clyde, I don't know.
03:47No, but they, they were, they were lovers in the turret and they, they stuck together.
03:55Claudia, I think, I think they edited a lot of that out, actually.
04:00You know what I mean.
04:01I know what you mean.
04:02You know, it was, it was, they were totally faithful to each other.
04:06And of course, we have to talk about the big twist for this series, the secret traitor.
04:10Yes.
04:10Why did you think Fiona would fit that role particularly?
04:13I mean, how can we not?
04:15Look at her.
04:16Well, I mean, Fiona was so convincing about how people treat women of a certain age.
04:23And she was so twinkly.
04:26I just wanted to put her in my pocket.
04:28I absolutely loved her.
04:29So, yeah, we had to give her the red cloak.
04:31So, of course, we had a lot of amazing faithfuls this series as well.
04:35One in particular was Jessie, who was on to Stephen and would not let go of the Stephen theory.
04:42How did it feel at those roundtables when Jessie was going after Stephen?
04:45Well, it's extraordinary.
04:46My, not my favourite, but always, I love a Maddie.
04:50I love a Jazz.
04:51I love a Jessie.
04:52Jessie, who knew and knew really early.
04:55And there was a brilliant moment when everybody's talking and Jessie goes off in, I think, into the dining room
05:01going,
05:01listen to them, wanging on, nobody's listening to me.
05:06Not quite like that.
05:07You use better words.
05:08Yeah.
05:10But it was extraordinary.
05:11She laid it out, the Library Five.
05:13She just laid, it was all there.
05:14And everybody went, aw.
05:16And they love you.
05:17And they did love you.
05:19And you were, they adored you.
05:22And they would go, oh, thank you, Jessie.
05:24No, I think it's probably somebody else.
05:26And I was like, she's got it.
05:27You are, you are this series' detective, I think.
05:31Am I?
05:32Yeah, I think so.
05:35Apologies, Amanda.
05:37I'm the new detective.
05:38Oh, no, yeah.
05:38Well, you're one of the only people who's not actually a police person.
05:41Yes.
05:42Yes, no, no.
05:44We've been doing, because obviously we've had Jazz of the Christie in the past.
05:47Jazz of the Christie?
05:48So we've been trying to think of one for you.
05:49What can my name be?
05:50You're thinking Jessica Fletcher?
05:51Jessica Fletcher.
05:52Oh, OK.
05:53We're happy with that?
05:54Yes, girl.
05:55Woo.
05:55Love that.
05:56But Harriet, also extraordinary.
05:58Yeah.
05:58I mean, unbelievable.
06:00Yeah, I mean, yeah.
06:01Yeah, there's been people vying for that title.
06:04I mean, a huge amount of drama with Harriet in the talk to the traitors.
06:07It was the greatest, I think it was my favourite moment ever.
06:12And I am in the castle, and I'm lucky enough that I have a monitor, which I don't leave.
06:17I just start, like, eating, everything, just staring at it.
06:20And you were talking to the traitors, and I had to do something early the next morning,
06:25and it was quite late, as you know.
06:26And they said, Claudia, you've got to go home.
06:28And I was like, do not even say that to me.
06:30And when you used the word compunction, oh, it was almost erotic, Harriet.
06:38And just the fact that you knew, you knew with Hugo as well, you were so brilliant.
06:44And then that breakfast, yeah, you were magnificent.
06:52Well, as always, Claudia, it's been an absolute delight watching you on the show.
06:55And we know you don't like this bit.
06:57I can't bear it.
06:57But it's the unclosed finale, so we have to have a look at your best bit.
07:06Are they on their way?
07:08Good.
07:08Keep an eye on them.
07:13One thousand pounds added to the pot, and Sam might die.
07:19Harsh, but true.
07:21Sorry.
07:23Don't mind my friends.
07:24They don't bite if they're fed.
07:28No, thank you.
07:29No, thank you.
07:30I mean, we've all had childcare days right now.
07:32Stop the murder!
07:35They're like a police officer.
07:37I know friendships have been formed, but please remember, a friend might be lying to you.
07:45A friend might be planning to murder you.
07:50Get dry.
07:51For goodness sake, have a biscuit.
07:53Just when they think they know how to play.
07:56Bring it to me!
08:00Oh, God.
08:01Come on.
08:01Sorry.
08:02Faithful, what are you thinking?
08:06I am genuinely speechless.
08:09Oh, my God!
08:11Woo!
08:15Ha-ha!
08:17I'm going to go and chop some cheese with it.
08:25We'll be talking to our endgame players very soon, but I'm thrilled to now welcome to the
08:30stage, James and finalist, James!
08:33Yay!
08:35Welcome.
08:36Welcome to Uncloaked.
08:37Both of you are very excited to have you here with us.
08:40But, James, you were particularly forthright in your suspicions throughout.
08:43So, let's have a look at the moment when you and Roxy finally found out who the traitors
08:48were.
08:52Oh, you!
08:54Oh, my word.
08:54Hello.
08:55All right?
08:56Lovely to see you.
08:56Oh, you too.
08:57Oh, good now.
09:01I think I might be in for a little bit of a shock, but I have to ask, what are
09:06you, James?
09:07So, you're assuming I'm...
09:09A traitor.
09:10Okay.
09:10Absolutely.
09:11So, I'm happy to confirm for you that I am a...
09:17Traitful, graceful, grateful, vengeful, spiteful, cheerful, faithful.
09:25Oh, my gosh!
09:27I love faithful!
09:28I'm the worst faithful in the land at this point.
09:31Me and you were just going at it.
09:32I even said, like, there's a chunk of me that thinks me and you are just passionate faithfuls.
09:36And we were!
09:37Seeing as you're not a traitor, who do you think they are?
09:41I think Rachel is.
09:42She's my number one.
09:43Okay.
09:44I'm fearing there's two.
09:45Um, I think Faraz is the other one.
09:48Ooh.
09:48And if there's a third, which would be ridiculous, Stephen.
09:52Really?
09:53So, you think Jack and Jade are 100% faithful?
09:55I just can't see it.
09:56Shall we find out?
09:57Yeah, let's do it.
09:58Some blind faithfuls.
09:59I don't even want to know now.
10:00This is horrendous.
10:02Here we go.
10:03Here we go.
10:07Stephen.
10:08Oh, my goodness!
10:11The little...
10:12Odyssey, that's mental!
10:14There's not another one.
10:19Oh, it's Rachel!
10:21Yes!
10:21Oh, wow, she's toast.
10:24She nearly went, Faraz, wow, he wasn't.
10:26Oh, no, this is so mental.
10:28I am so sorry for coming at you so hard.
10:30Please don't be sorry.
10:31Um, it kept me in the game and it probably kept you in the game.
10:38Incredible.
10:39And you can watch Roxy and James' reactions later in full on the BBC Sounds socials.
10:45Now, James.
10:46Hello, sir.
10:46You named both of the remaining traitors there as your suspicions.
10:51At what point did you suspect Rachel?
10:54Because I think you did have some suspicions before you left as well, of course.
10:56Yeah, slightly earlier than I laid out there, to be honest.
10:59It's the old, I think she likes me.
11:01I think she gets on with me.
11:02You know, the classic blinded by that.
11:03And I think she knows I trust her.
11:05But I don't.
11:06You know, it was just too many scrapes.
11:07I thought, if I somehow get anyone in the endgame, I can't end it with her.
11:11And it was narrowing it down, who you can end it with.
11:13Yeah.
11:13There weren't many.
11:14This young lady and Jack were the only two I could be as sure as I could be on,
11:18from about halfway through onwards.
11:20So, I mean, you're pretty bang on the money, really.
11:22Yeah, I mean...
11:23But slightly too late.
11:24I find if you name every cast member at least once...
11:28James.
11:29What?
11:29James, I think everyone would agree you were a total force of nature in there.
11:33You were incredible every episode delivering something entertaining.
11:36And obviously ended it in a fittingly dramatic style with the chest of chance.
11:40The second chest of chance of the series.
11:42The third chest of chance in two series of The Traitors.
11:45Talk us through your final moments in the game with those chests.
11:49I mean, it sounds bizarre, but as a fanboy, I'm like,
11:52how have I got here?
11:53Traitor versus Faithful to get into the final.
11:55This is like the stuff of dreams.
11:57Like, how has this happened?
11:58Now, Jade, you initially voted for James in that final roundtable that he was there.
12:03And then you switched your vote to Rachel.
12:06Why did you do that?
12:07Because she's smart.
12:11James' arguments were just not...
12:14It was just making me more confused.
12:16And then I was like, right, take a step back.
12:18Who should I actually be voting for here?
12:20Who did I walk into the room with?
12:21And it was Rachel.
12:23So I was like, this is an opportunity to rectify that wrong.
12:25Claudia, that's another third chest of chance, like I say, that we've had in two series.
12:29I can't.
12:29I can't even.
12:30I don't know what to say about it.
12:32Because I...
12:33Yeah, I come in with a tray.
12:36Which, by the way, is much heavier than it looks.
12:38So I'm like, hello.
12:42Yeah.
12:43But it's incredibly dramatic for everybody.
12:45And I think the final plea is a really good opportunity.
12:50Both you and Rachel did it brilliantly.
12:51And then the idea that two of you swapped.
12:54And then there was still bedlock.
12:55Oh, it was amazing.
12:56Yeah, both me and Jack swapping.
12:58And it was like, oh, no, we've both done it.
13:00Yeah.
13:00So what do we do now?
13:01There have been a lot of theories going.
13:02I can tell from how they pick it up.
13:04You can't tell.
13:06Absolutely not.
13:08James, you were absolutely convinced throughout the series that Matthew was a traitor.
13:12I still am.
13:13Even going...
13:14He's trick production, I'm telling you.
13:16He's such a smooth operator, that guy.
13:17He tried his best.
13:18He's amazing.
13:19He really wanted to be one.
13:19And what were the biggest clues for you that Matthew was a traitor?
13:23I've never played poker to an amazing level.
13:25But I used to earn a living doing it for a while.
13:26And the first few seconds, the blindfold comes off.
13:29I was a bit cheesed off.
13:30It wasn't...
13:31I was doing that when Claudia walked behind me the whole time.
13:33That's all right.
13:33I forgive you.
13:36And everyone else was doing that.
13:37Obviously, I know a lot of them are acting.
13:39And Matthew was just stood like that.
13:41It looked like a deer in the headlights for a few seconds.
13:43And I did ask him, I thought you looked quite stunned.
13:45And he didn't really have an answer to it.
13:47And he's a really smart guy.
13:48I thought, this guy can carry it off.
13:50He turns on the style at the round tables.
13:51He hides in the shadows a bit.
13:53I'm the only one shouting his name.
13:54I must be keeping him in.
13:55I've solved it.
13:56No.
13:56Let you know.
13:58Matthew, what was it like in your final day in the castle,
14:01knowing that James had his sights set on you?
14:02And of course, he had the ceremonial dagger.
14:04Love you, mate.
14:05You have to have hope.
14:08Because anything can happen.
14:09But I did feel like the odds were stacked against me.
14:12I do regret not making it plainly obvious at that last round table
14:16that I didn't think you were a traitor.
14:18Because I didn't.
14:19I just did not believe you were a traitor.
14:21No, no.
14:21Yeah.
14:22You thought I was, though.
14:23Yeah.
14:24Right.
14:24Yeah.
14:25Hi.
14:26My family are very disappointed in me.
14:31It's feeling a lot more like an American chat show this week.
14:34Oh, yeah, yeah.
14:35You guys.
14:36But I just want to say this on behalf of...
14:39It's impossible if you don't know.
14:41Yeah, yeah.
14:41And it's so easy when you're watching the telly and you do.
14:44Jade, after James' departure following the chest of chance,
14:48you were confirmed as one of the final five.
14:50However, despite battling players' suspicions
14:52since the very first round table,
14:54they finally acted on them in this final episode.
14:56Let's take a look at the moment
14:58where you found out the identity of the traitors
15:00shortly after leaving the game.
15:06I did see it coming.
15:07I said I was being set up for banishment for a while now,
15:10so it did catch me off guard
15:12that it would happen so close to the final.
15:14You do start picturing
15:15who you're going to stand at that bonfire with,
15:17and I think when you start kind of picturing it in your head,
15:20you're manifesting it quite a lot.
15:23So, it was so close, and yeah, so far at the same time.
15:28I think there are two traitors left in the castle,
15:31and I think one of them is Faraz.
15:33Throughout the kind of whole of the game,
15:35I had to kind of take advantage of the situation
15:38that I was put in
15:39and see who was really pushing me for banishment.
15:42And Faraz, I feel like that round table,
15:44was kind of desperate to get me banished.
15:46Like, everything that had been worked up at this point
15:49was suddenly kind of paying off.
15:52And I feel Rachel played a really instrumental role in that,
15:55because, you know, Jack, Steve, and I
15:56are a little trio, in a sense.
15:59So, they've got to be working together, I think.
16:02After everything the traitors have put me through,
16:04I cannot wait to find out who they are.
16:17Rachel, yep.
16:20It's difficult.
16:21Yeah, that.
16:23I mean, I said it, didn't I?
16:26I'm glad I was right about one thing.
16:29That's really gratifying to be in that situation.
16:37Stephen, OK.
16:40The thing is, right, when someone's that close to you,
16:43you don't look at it for what it is,
16:45and having walked out of that round table
16:47and seeing how he voted for me,
16:48it would have been too late to recognize who that person was.
16:52Damn.
16:53Stephen's playing a phenomenal game.
16:57100%.
16:58Yeah.
17:00I've lost a lot of words, really.
17:03And Stephen, he had me in his back pocket.
17:09Yeah.
17:11Yeah.
17:13Stephen had you in his back pocket.
17:15Yeah.
17:15It's one of the benefits of wearing such massive trousers.
17:17I know.
17:17I'm a big person.
17:20A lot to unpack there from that reveal.
17:23Let's start with Rachel.
17:23You were suspicious of her
17:25and thought she and Faraz were playing as a traitor team.
17:28Had you had suspicions of Rachel earlier in the game
17:30or did the thoughts form a little bit later on?
17:31It was pretty early.
17:32There was a conversation that I'd had
17:34with Sam and Rachel in the kitchen
17:36where I, you know, told them about
17:38what had happened on the chariot mission.
17:41And that information got round so fast.
17:46Yeah.
17:47And I was like, well, Sam was in a unique situation like I was.
17:52Rachel was the only other person in that room.
17:53And I was like, that's a little red flag.
17:55So it started then.
17:57And then, you know, Amanda and the policing training
18:02just kept being brought up regardless.
18:04And I was like, well, you're pushing a narrative
18:06and she's banished from the cast
18:07and you're still bringing up Amanda's name.
18:09So, yeah.
18:11And the Stephen reveal,
18:13you mentioned that you, Stephen and Jack
18:15had been a bit of a trio.
18:16How did it feel seeing Stephen's name on the scroll?
18:20I think after he'd written my name down
18:23at the round table, the pin dropped.
18:26And you don't quite realise how blind you are
18:29because I felt quite vulnerable going through the game
18:32because I'd had so much heat.
18:33And it was really important for me,
18:34especially to have backing,
18:36people that I feel would have my back.
18:38And Stephen was just one of them.
18:39And then, yeah, when he put my name down,
18:41it was, oh, OK, right.
18:44You see the game in the moment, don't you?
18:46You see the game.
18:46You see literally how it's all played out.
18:48But then it's too late by then
18:49because you're going out the door.
18:51Of course.
18:51Now, one of the major theories around you being a traitor
18:54was that Amanda thought you were a traitor
18:56and Amanda was in the police force.
18:58Yeah.
18:59Amanda, how does it feel watching it back
19:02knowing that you were part of the game
19:04long after you left?
19:06I didn't realise I was going to be such a part of it
19:10when I was actually not in the castle.
19:12I just want to say, Jade, I apologise.
19:15We've apologised.
19:15I've apologised over beers.
19:16But I just want to apologise and say
19:18you played an absolute blinder all the way through
19:22and you just kept going.
19:24So, well done to you.
19:26Well done to you.
19:26Great.
19:32James and Jade,
19:33it's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.
19:34Everyone give it up for finalist James.
19:36Yes, I see.
19:38Thank you, James.
19:43James, shortly,
19:44I'm going to ask you to join our front row of traitfuls
19:47as they will now be known forevermore.
19:49Goodbye.
19:49Now, Rachel and Stephen will be joining us very shortly
19:52for their very first post-win interview.
19:54But first, I'll be having a chat
19:56with our runners-up Jack and Faraz.
19:58Here is the moment where they both found out
19:59the identities of the traitors
20:01just moments after leaving the endgame.
20:10Rachel, grandma's doing me.
20:14Grandma's doing me.
20:17Oh, no.
20:18Oh, no.
20:19Here we go.
20:21Here we go.
20:23Here we go.
20:25Rachel.
20:28And Stephen.
20:31Whoa.
20:33Rachel, Stephen.
20:34I knew it.
20:35After all.
20:38Oh.
20:39At least I got one right.
20:41I got...
20:42I got one on four.
20:45They obviously had a tactic.
20:47They had a strategy.
20:49And they executed it with perfection because they've won.
20:52Stephen definitely played a smart game.
20:54So I was on to Stephen when he came back and said,
20:59Oh, mate, I'm not bad at this game then, to be fair.
21:03I just need to stop changing my mind.
21:05It is nice to know I was the last remaining faithful in the game.
21:09And I can leave this game with my head held high,
21:15knowing that I played with integrity, honesty, and I was just myself.
21:20Rachel and Stephen have definitely took the coin home and split it.
21:24Yeah, I feel sorry for Jack.
21:26I think he'll be absolutely gutted.
21:28But, yeah, Rachel and Stephen, to be fair to them,
21:30especially Rachel, I feel as if she deserves it, the game she's played.
21:36A huge round of applause, please, for Tricks' finalists, Faraz and Jack!
21:44Welcome.
21:45Welcome, both of you, Tom, folks.
21:47Faraz, let's start with you.
21:49Talk us through that final day in the game.
21:51How were you feeling?
21:51The final day was honestly a blur.
21:54Like, I think I was just buzzing to be there, to be honest.
21:56And then, obviously, breakfast just stuck my face in that,
21:59ridding myself for the day.
22:00But, no, honestly, it was just an unreal feeling, just making it.
22:04There's so many shots of you just absolutely wolfing down food.
22:07I'm a growing lad, aren't I?
22:09I'm a growing lad.
22:09I need my five a day.
22:11That was my mission.
22:13It's not the missions in the day.
22:14It's getting the food in.
22:14You know, five a day relates to fruit and vegetables and not full meals.
22:17Yeah.
22:18Bad place.
22:20Jack, what about you?
22:20Same question.
22:21What was your plan for that final day?
22:23It's so hard, isn't it?
22:24Like, when you come into the final day, like, we're all looking forward to the mission.
22:27I was absolutely buzzing for the mission.
22:28But your head is just so mangled at that point.
22:31And I know, as the viewers, you sit there and you think, oh, it's so easy.
22:33It's so obvious.
22:34But my head was a total mess about who to vote for.
22:37You know, it's so hard coming to that last round table.
22:40I bet.
22:41Yeah.
22:41What about you, Jade?
22:42Because, obviously, you're going into that final day.
22:44Are you worried that you're going to go before the end game?
22:46Could you see the right?
22:47I was set up for banishment.
22:48My days were so limited.
22:50I made my peace with it very early on.
22:52And I was like, I will not go gently into that night.
22:56But, yeah, I mean, I'm amazed I got as far as I did, to be honest.
22:59But I knew it was just an hour of time.
23:01Faraz, now, you've also been dubbed as a bit of a detective this series.
23:05Faraz of the Christie's been flying around.
23:07Oh, yeah.
23:08Long laugh, didn't it?
23:10Well, you went for Rachel.
23:11I think we were all, it was limbs in my house.
23:13We were so excited.
23:14He's going to get Rachel.
23:15And then you sort of had a little bit of a nap and changed your mind.
23:19Yeah.
23:21What was it that made your suspicions wane?
23:23I think it was just the way she reacted.
23:26Yeah.
23:26To me, as soon as the round table, like, she was so calm.
23:29And I resonated with the fact that if you were to stand up there as a faithful,
23:32you want to just rub it in the face, sort of, as a last hurrah.
23:35And that's exactly what I would have felt.
23:37So I think it was just that.
23:38And I was like, yeah, that's, like, obviously, as a faithful, knowing why I am,
23:42I thought that's it, that it probably, she's not a traitor in that sort of respect.
23:48I guess you're, it's so difficult, isn't it?
23:50Yeah.
23:51You decide one thing and then probably so easily convince in the other direction
23:54because you simply don't know.
23:55That's what it is.
23:56Like, when you're in the castle, when you're playing the game,
23:58things change, like, in a matter of moments
24:00and you can't really anticipate where things are going to go.
24:03And to be fair to her, she was, like, really convincing and stuff.
24:06And she was smart, she was calculating, she knew what she was doing.
24:09Yeah.
24:09So, yeah.
24:10And she was organised.
24:11I mean, you've now seen the Rachel and Stephen plotting pre-endgame.
24:16They were organised, they knew what they were doing.
24:18Do you think there's anything that you two could have done
24:20to stop them pre-endgame?
24:22I think we probably could have had a few more chats, couldn't we,
24:25and just sort of had that plan in place.
24:28Like, I said that plan to you.
24:29I didn't even follow it myself, so.
24:33We've been over it a hundred times, haven't we?
24:34It's endlessly frustrating.
24:36You go over and over.
24:37But I think the reality is, like, particularly in that very last round table
24:41or the end game, I was sort of set on Rachel,
24:44Fraz was set on Stephen, and we were both going for traitors,
24:46but just two different traitors.
24:48Yeah.
24:48I think we just weren't voting together.
24:49I think that was the thing, wasn't it?
24:51I think it's hard to accept the fact that we were both right and both wrong.
24:54I know.
24:54Well, you were very won over by Faraz, Jack.
24:57You seemed to be siding with him.
24:59Why did you choose him over Rachel?
25:01I just, I think Faraz and I had a little, like, bro bond on day one.
25:05Like, yeah.
25:06On day one, like, we sat next to each other on the train,
25:08we just clicked straight away, and I just,
25:10he was one of those people, I had a little book,
25:12and I wrote who I thought was, like, faithful,
25:14who I thought was straight, and I put a percentage on it,
25:15and Faraz was pretty much always 100% faithful for me
25:18the whole way through.
25:19At the very end, there was that small slither of doubt,
25:22but, like, as there is for all the players, you know what I mean?
25:25But it was just, it was so hard at the end,
25:27and I think as well, ironically, Stephen was someone I had
25:30as almost the whole way through 100% faithful.
25:33It was only at the very end that I started to look at him,
25:35which is crazy, considering all the evidence
25:36that was put against him throughout the game,
25:38but it just goes to show, doesn't it?
25:40It's such a hard game.
25:41Well, look, you were all fantastic players.
25:43We loved watching you.
25:44A massive round of applause for Faraz, Jack and Jay!
25:50Well.
25:51The time has come to finally hear from our winners,
25:54Rachel and Stephen.
25:56Here's the moment the traitors sees their historic win.
26:00I'll be honest, I had moments where I was doubting
26:03what I was going to do tonight,
26:07but I couldn't go back on my word to you.
26:10It just wasn't worth the money,
26:11and I couldn't have walked out of here by lying to you.
26:15Two traitors, but totally faithful to each other.
26:20You did it.
26:22You absolutely did it.
26:23Congratulations.
26:25I'm so proud of you, honestly.
26:27I'm so proud of you.
26:37I'm so proud of you.
26:45Congratulations.
26:46Thank you very much.
26:46Our two traitor champions.
26:48You were both incredible throughout the game.
26:49I want a quick reflection from both of you.
26:51How does it feel watching that back?
26:53Rachel, you first of all.
26:54A lot more emotional than I remember.
26:57I don't think it was letting my nerves shine through,
27:00because I knew what I was going to do,
27:02but I was so nervous with Stephen,
27:03so watching it back, it kind of got me a little bit.
27:07Made me cry.
27:08Nervous that he was going to change his mind.
27:11Nervous that I wasn't going to change his mind.
27:13Yeah.
27:13I don't know what goes on on that little head of his.
27:16You don't want to.
27:18What about you, Stephen?
27:19How does it feel watching it back?
27:20Unlike Rachel, I didn't know what I was going to do.
27:24And watching it back, I mean,
27:27I think I can see in my face,
27:30I've got quite an expressive face.
27:33Oh, really?
27:34You might have picked up on already.
27:37You know, you're just a meme generator now.
27:39Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:40Every emotion possible.
27:42See, I never knew I had an expressive face,
27:44so this is news to me.
27:46And what face did you make when you found out?
27:52But, yeah, I think just watching it back,
27:55you know, I'm just so proud of the decision
27:59that I made, proud of myself,
28:01and just proud of the game that Rachel played as well.
28:03I think it couldn't really go any better, so.
28:05Well, let's talk about the pact,
28:07the pact that you made by the family tree
28:09that you wouldn't write each other's names down on the slate.
28:12I will hold my hands up and apologise
28:13to every single episode of Uncloaked.
28:15When the pact comes up, I say,
28:16the pact's worth nothing.
28:18We know.
28:19We know.
28:20We were watching,
28:21and I couldn't wait for this moment.
28:22There's...
28:25To be fair to me,
28:26history told me that the pact would not stick.
28:28No one has ever stuck to a pact like that.
28:30Even the people making the pact
28:31know that they're not going to stick to it.
28:32So both of you, in that moment,
28:34when you made it,
28:35you thought,
28:35we're absolutely sticking to it.
28:37I knew from the minute it came out of my mouth,
28:39I wouldn't break it.
28:41I knew that,
28:42and I just thought,
28:42you have to think really fast in this game,
28:44and you have to kind of navigate
28:45and go with the flow.
28:47And I just thought at that moment,
28:48no, this is a new game for me,
28:50and I'm not breaking that.
28:52Yeah, that's not what I was thinking.
28:57It's so hard to trust someone in there
29:01whose job it is to lie, you know?
29:03And so, yeah,
29:05I was really struggling to see
29:07how Rachel could hold on to that pact
29:09for the whole game,
29:11which is why, towards the end,
29:13like, I was wobbling big time.
29:17I'm just so glad that she's a woman of her word.
29:19Well, you both had a lot of stuff
29:21to deal with throughout the whole game.
29:23Obviously, the secret traitor,
29:24the dastardly Fiona.
29:26When Fiona revealed herself,
29:29did you initially trust her, Stephen?
29:32Did you think you could trust her?
29:34I did, yeah.
29:35I think myself and Fiona got on really well,
29:39and if there was anyone that I wanted it to be,
29:43I wanted it to be Fiona,
29:44but I didn't think it would be.
29:46Um, I was so chuffed
29:49when she walked into that turret.
29:51Yeah.
29:51We all were.
29:52Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:53I don't think we all were.
29:55No.
30:00We weren't, no.
30:02Well, Rachel, obviously,
30:03you came to blows with Fiona a little bit.
30:06Yeah.
30:06When she accused herself in the kitchen,
30:10talk us through that moment.
30:11What was going through your mind?
30:13I just thought,
30:14this is, this is great crack.
30:15I was like this,
30:16because I was nervous
30:17for the first part of the game,
30:19and then, and I love games.
30:20I am so competitive.
30:22I love them.
30:22And Fiona reminded me
30:24that this is a game.
30:26These are all adults
30:27going to play a game.
30:28It was, like, the laughs we had.
30:30But, yeah, it took me about three seconds
30:32when she dropped her cloak,
30:33and I just thought, no.
30:35No.
30:35She dropped the hood,
30:36and I was like,
30:37no, she's going to throw me under the bus.
30:38I just didn't think
30:39she was going to move.
30:41Like, was it when she said it?
30:42And just straight away,
30:43go for me.
30:44But she's phenomenal.
30:45I mean, bringing the cloak back
30:46and saying,
30:47haven't I been wonderful,
30:48was probably.
30:50She loved it.
30:51And that line,
30:52I'm drunk on par.
30:53I was like,
30:53I know you are.
30:54I can see you.
30:55But she made it so much fun,
30:57and, like, that reaction
30:58in the kitchen when she says,
31:00I think you're a traitor,
31:01and I burst out laughing.
31:02I thought, this is brilliant.
31:03Yeah, it was amazing.
31:04This is hilarious.
31:04How did that feel for you, Claudia?
31:06Because, obviously,
31:06you weren't in the kitchen
31:07when that happened.
31:08I was watching.
31:08I was watching,
31:09and my mouth was,
31:10I mean, I had to hold it up
31:12with both my hands
31:12and my feet.
31:13I was like,
31:14what is going on?
31:15What's happening?
31:16What?
31:17No, Fiona, stop.
31:18Stop.
31:19Stop.
31:20Stop.
31:20Can I just go down?
31:21No, you can't.
31:22Can I just,
31:22could I just get a message to,
31:24can I write something in an apple?
31:26It was unbelievable.
31:27But, yeah,
31:28you acted very fast.
31:29You were like,
31:30no, no, I'm not doing this.
31:31Come on, everybody.
31:31I need to tell everyone.
31:32Yeah.
31:33Fiona,
31:33were you disappointed
31:34that Stephen sided with Rachel
31:36at your final round table?
31:37No, not at all.
31:40I knew my time was up,
31:42to be honest with you.
31:43And I just loved every minute.
31:45And I've said all the way along,
31:47it was team traitor.
31:48I wanted you to be there.
31:51And I just had the best fun ever.
31:56It was wonderful.
31:57And to play with all these wonderful people,
32:00all my contestants here,
32:02was, oh,
32:03I can't begin to tell you
32:05how excited I was
32:06every single day.
32:08Rachel,
32:09you barely got a chance to relax
32:10after that.
32:12You barely got a chance to relax
32:13because then you had a showdown
32:14with Harriet.
32:16Was that something you were expecting
32:17in the talk to the traitors?
32:19No.
32:20You talk about being blindsided
32:22and me and Harriet
32:23had a lovely relationship
32:25in the castle
32:25and I remember sitting in the library
32:27and we were just chatting
32:28about the questions
32:29and I thought,
32:29per, Harriet's knackered
32:31and she can't come up
32:32with the questions
32:32and blah, blah, blah.
32:33And I just thought,
32:34right, it's Maddie
32:36that we need to worry about.
32:37He's going to blindside us.
32:38And then when the boots come in,
32:40the round table at Trader's Pit,
32:42Claudia's boots are like
32:43clunk, clunk, clunk.
32:44Sorry.
32:45There was nothing on Harriet
32:46walking in.
32:48Because it's obviously,
32:49you know, it's very quiet,
32:51the boots come in
32:52and then she started speaking
32:53and I thought,
32:54I just want to go home.
32:56She scared the life out of me
32:58but it was brilliant.
32:59It was absolutely brilliant.
33:00Harriet, how does it feel
33:01to see Rachel get so far
33:02and then win the game
33:03despite your best efforts?
33:04Oh, I mean,
33:05I've been beaten by the master
33:07and she is superb.
33:10She is, I think,
33:11that when you see how
33:13an alliance formed between traitors
33:15just wipes the floor
33:16with everyone,
33:17I mean,
33:18I'm so pleased
33:19that you stuck to it,
33:20both of you,
33:21to the end.
33:21And I mean,
33:22Rachel,
33:23watching you through
33:23the whole series,
33:24you've just been fantastic.
33:27So calm,
33:28collected,
33:29strategic,
33:31completely outplayed,
33:32all of us.
33:32It's, you know,
33:33brilliant.
33:34Badass.
33:35Yeah.
33:40But of course,
33:42both of you flew
33:43perilously close to the sun
33:44on numerous occasions.
33:47I mean,
33:47there was one moment
33:48everyone was talking about
33:49when you were next
33:50to the family tree
33:51trying to work out
33:52how to mark the people
33:53on the family tree
33:53and, of course,
33:55Rhys was stood there.
33:58You were worried about that,
34:00weren't you, Stephen,
34:00that Rhys had seen you
34:01both next to the family tree?
34:02Yes.
34:03And was sent,
34:03was sent away
34:04so you could have
34:05a conversation.
34:05Yeah.
34:06When,
34:06when Rachel asked Rhys
34:08to leave,
34:09I think you saw my world
34:10disintegrate in front of my eyes.
34:11No, hang on,
34:12he offered to leave.
34:13He offered to leave.
34:14Okay, sorry.
34:16I'm rewriting history.
34:18But I was terrified.
34:21I mean,
34:22I don't know how,
34:23how he didn't bring it up
34:24the next day.
34:25Sorry, Rhys.
34:25Well, I mean,
34:26luckily,
34:26we've given him a microphone.
34:28So,
34:28how did you not bring that up
34:30at the real table?
34:30I'm sweating.
34:31I'm sweating for one right now.
34:32The battering I've had,
34:34by the way,
34:34from family friends,
34:35even cast,
34:36of mental.
34:39It's hard,
34:39because obviously,
34:40like,
34:40the next day,
34:41we had the early banishment.
34:42Obviously,
34:43it was Ross.
34:43My name was already being
34:45thrown through the dirt
34:46and I was never,
34:47Stephen,
34:47fair play to him,
34:48was hard on pushing
34:49on Maswa's
34:50at the family tree last night
34:51and I was never going to be like,
34:52so was I,
34:52by the way.
34:53I was also there,
34:55so I was just
34:56in my chair,
34:57sitting down,
34:57no one mentioned me
34:58and then I was like,
34:59I'll mention it after the table
35:00if I get through.
35:00No, you won't,
35:01you'll go in a cage.
35:02And then,
35:02Fiona won't bother
35:03trying to get you out of the cage
35:04so you'll stay in the cage
35:05and then it just,
35:08but was I a bit naive?
35:10I'll let you answer that.
35:11But you didn't want
35:12to implicate yourself,
35:13essentially.
35:14You didn't want to put yourself
35:14next to the family tree
35:15as well as Rachel and Stephen.
35:16I was just trying to learn Latin.
35:18I don't know,
35:18what's the deal?
35:19They're telling,
35:20I walked out of the kitchen,
35:21they didn't come with me.
35:22Let's go, guys.
35:23People go into the castle
35:24for different reasons
35:24and I think Latin
35:25is an admirable one.
35:26Educational purposes,
35:28I reckon.
35:29Stephen,
35:30you also had to get through
35:31the Library 5 theory.
35:32I did, yes.
35:33Which was absolutely,
35:34it's a spot on theory
35:35from Jesse,
35:36the Library 5 theory.
35:37Yeah.
35:37But it didn't really
35:38gain traction.
35:39How do you think
35:40you got away with that?
35:42A hope and a prayer,
35:43I think,
35:43to be honest.
35:45It is,
35:46that,
35:47I think,
35:48was the first time
35:49I realised that
35:50I wasn't really cut out
35:52to play this game
35:52strategically.
35:53I just,
35:54like,
35:54I made that move
35:55and it wasn't until
35:57Jesse brought it up to me
35:58the next day
35:59and said,
35:59I think Ross has been framed.
36:01I was shocked
36:02that I had got myself
36:04into that mess
36:06and I knew then
36:07I had to play more
36:08of a social game
36:08than a strategic game
36:10because I clearly
36:10wasn't very good
36:11at, like,
36:12seeing where the lines
36:13would lead back to me.
36:16I'm amazed
36:17that,
36:17I'm amazed
36:18I'm sat here
36:19in the first place
36:19to be honest.
36:20I think Jesse
36:22is such
36:23a switched on person
36:24and every single thing
36:26she said about me
36:26obviously was
36:27100% accurate
36:30and just a phenomenal player
36:32and I think really
36:32she'd be so proud
36:33of herself
36:33with how she came across
36:34because just
36:35an amazing person
36:36so well done.
36:37Yes.
36:41There were,
36:43amongst you as Traces
36:44there were a couple
36:45of verbal slip-ups
36:46as well.
36:46I mean,
36:47we saw in
36:48that final episode,
36:49Rachel,
36:50you saying
36:50if I was a faithful
36:52big,
36:53big whoopsie.
36:54I can't even remember
36:55saying that.
36:56Oh,
36:56so you didn't even
36:57register it
36:57when you said it?
36:59Did you not hear
37:00the cameras all
37:00zoom in on you?
37:02I watched it
37:03and then I thought,
37:03oh God,
37:04I can't remember
37:05those words
37:06coming out of my mouth.
37:07And then luckily
37:08nobody else really
37:09remembers.
37:09I don't even remember
37:10saying it.
37:11I was too focused
37:12on Jack's upset.
37:13I was too busy crying.
37:14I didn't even
37:15notice what you said.
37:16I was too busy
37:17eating blueberries.
37:20So you guys
37:21didn't notice
37:21any slip-ups
37:23from these two?
37:23There were no
37:24alarm bells going.
37:24Stephen,
37:25do you remember
37:25that time at the table?
37:26I saw a TikTok
37:27of you saying
37:28when we discussed
37:29this last night
37:30instead of this morning
37:31as in last night
37:32in the turret
37:32and none of us
37:33clocked that you said it.
37:34Yeah,
37:34I did see
37:35when I thought
37:37about this last night
37:38and again,
37:39like Rachel,
37:39I have no recollection
37:40of saying that
37:41and when I watched
37:43that episode back
37:43I was screaming
37:44at the TV
37:45like,
37:45what are you doing?
37:46You know?
37:47But I think
37:48you can also tell
37:49that I didn't quite
37:50realize the gravity
37:51of the mistake
37:51I'd made
37:52because I think
37:52if I had known
37:53that I'd slipped up
37:54so badly,
37:55I would have then
37:56continued to
37:58degrade from there on.
38:00So I think
38:00I just didn't realize
38:01I made the mistake
38:02and...
38:03That's for the best,
38:03isn't it?
38:04Because you're then
38:04digging a hole
38:05and the next thing
38:05you're saying
38:06you am into a tracer.
38:07Yeah, I am what I am.
38:09Yeah, yeah, yeah,
38:09exactly.
38:10I think whilst you're there
38:11as well,
38:11you sometimes give people
38:13benefit of the doubt
38:13because everything's
38:14happening so fast
38:15and stuff.
38:16Like daft little slip-ups
38:17like that.
38:18Well, it doesn't seem daft now.
38:19Just slip-ups like that,
38:20like you sort of
38:21let people get away with
38:22because people can stumble
38:23over the words
38:24and stuff like that.
38:25So sometimes you do
38:26let it fly under the radar.
38:27That's exactly right
38:28and also not to harp back,
38:29Alan Carr couldn't say the words
38:31I am a faithful
38:31that bursting out laughing
38:33and everyone else around
38:34went, oh, yeah.
38:36So, again,
38:38when you're in there,
38:39when you're in the castle
38:40somebody says something,
38:41it doesn't lodge.
38:42No.
38:42Please don't compare
38:43these people to the
38:44celebrity faithful.
38:45Those guys were awful.
38:49You guys,
38:50did you notice
38:50Rachel and Stephen
38:51being close in the castle?
38:53Did you see them
38:53like chatting to each other
38:54or...?
38:55This was the thing
38:56that really frustrated me
38:57because I had
38:59a little notebook
38:59and I wrote down
39:00everyone's names
39:01and I drew lines
39:02from who I saw
39:03would talk to each other
39:04and the only two people,
39:05and I didn't realise
39:06this until way too late,
39:07the only two lines
39:08I didn't draw a name between
39:09was Stephen and Rachel.
39:11Literally never saw them
39:12and I was literally
39:13staring at that paper
39:14like who is not connected
39:16but it was literally
39:16in front of me.
39:17Yeah, I think
39:18I think they've done well
39:19to sort of hide
39:20in plain sight really
39:21because I was the same,
39:22didn't really notice
39:23them speaking much at all.
39:24Not bad for a grandma,
39:25huh?
39:26Yeah, not bad for a granny,
39:27like...
39:28Grandma's...
39:29I want to get a tattoo
39:30of Grandma's dummy,
39:31that is so funny.
39:33Brilliant.
39:34Rachel,
39:34now the question
39:35on everyone's lips,
39:37let's talk FBI training.
39:40Tell us more
39:41about this FBI training,
39:42what did it entail,
39:43is it available
39:44to the rest of us?
39:45So I was very careful
39:46with my words.
39:47I said I did it,
39:48I was trained
39:49by a former FBI agent.
39:52That's correct
39:52but a really loose
39:54interpretation of it.
39:56So the four-month
39:58online course
39:59was more like
40:00a one-day course
40:01and an e-book.
40:02Oh.
40:04But still by
40:05a former FBI agent.
40:07So it was
40:07tactical skills
40:09in negotiating
40:09with difficult people
40:10and there was
40:1021 very difficult
40:11people in that castle
40:13and the art
40:14of micro-expressions
40:15and stuff
40:16which, you know,
40:17I just thought
40:18if I have something
40:18there that I tried
40:20if I was a faithful
40:21I had skills
40:22or I prepared
40:23but that just,
40:24it's taken on
40:24a life of its own.
40:25And it probably put
40:26the fear of God
40:27into people as well
40:27when you're announcing
40:28that you've got FBI training.
40:30Did that scare you
40:32when you heard that?
40:32Yeah, you're saying
40:33to Fraz that I had
40:34a clench my jaw
40:36and obviously
40:36you're going to believe it.
40:37Yeah, I was like,
40:38yeah, I've seen that,
40:38I've seen that,
40:39I don't think I ever...
40:41No, because I, I says,
40:43I said,
40:43gee, it had a clench
40:44on your jaw on this side
40:45and he says,
40:45yeah, I've seen it
40:46and he's sitting this side.
40:48I don't think
40:49you ought to say that one.
40:51But, like,
40:52it's the art of distraction.
40:54It's anything but me.
40:55Don't speak about me
40:56and just speak about
40:57somebody else out there
40:58so it works.
40:58But that's what I love
40:59so much about you two
41:00is you did it for each other
41:01throughout
41:03when you watch it back
41:04from the moment
41:05that you decided
41:06and that was,
41:07I'm not saying
41:07a casual alliance
41:08but you were in a hall
41:09where people were looking
41:10and you did it,
41:11it's not like
41:12let's sit down
41:13and work this out,
41:13you just decided.
41:14I love the fact
41:15that anybody came
41:16for one of you,
41:17the other person
41:18picked something up
41:18and just went,
41:19look over there.
41:20Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:21And people didn't see
41:22that very often,
41:23you know.
41:24Yeah, but we did
41:25have each other's back
41:25up until the end.
41:27We did, well,
41:28we did have each other's back
41:29and I think that was
41:30the hardest thing
41:30to have each other's backs
41:31silently, you know,
41:33like, and obviously
41:35you saw my face drop
41:36when Rachel told me
41:37in the turret
41:37that, you know,
41:38if I hear that she's been
41:40saying my name
41:41not to panic
41:42and what, I mean,
41:43the first thing I do
41:43is panic, right?
41:45But I think it's just
41:47up until that point
41:48we had been really good
41:49and I think for her
41:50just when she said
41:51that to me
41:51it was absolutely
41:52the right thing to do,
41:53right?
41:53We can't, as traitors,
41:55be defending each other
41:56too overtly
41:58but, yeah,
41:59I think up until that point
42:00I just always thought
42:01you had, you were kind of
42:02actively defending me
42:03which obviously would have
42:04been really stupid
42:05because look at me
42:08and, yes, I think
42:09that's when I started
42:09to panic kind of
42:10towards the latter part
42:11of the game
42:12and maybe start to
42:12throw your name out
42:13a bit too much
42:14I think at the end.
42:15Well, Rachel,
42:15the big panic for you
42:16in the game
42:17was the chest of chance.
42:18You came so close
42:19to being banished.
42:20Can you talk us
42:20through that round table?
42:22Do you know what?
42:23Well, myself and James
42:24have spoken about this
42:24and it was oddly amazing.
42:27It was one of those ones
42:28because I'm a big believer
42:29in what's for you.
42:31You know, it's meant to be
42:32and I thought, right,
42:33chance is deciding this
42:35so if it's not in the chest
42:37so be it.
42:38Stand up,
42:39hold your head high
42:40and walk out.
42:40You know, it's up to fate
42:42and then when we opened it
42:44and I seen it
42:44I thought, oh my God,
42:46I've just scraped by
42:47by the skin of my teeth
42:48but it was, like,
42:49it was a brilliant moment.
42:50It was a lot of fun.
42:51It was an incredible moment
42:52until the cliffhanger
42:53at which point
42:53every living room in the country
42:55was smashed to pieces.
42:57Now, obviously,
42:58you said to Stephen,
42:59I'm going to have to talk
43:00about you being a traitor
43:02but how did it feel
43:03hearing Stephen talk
43:04about you being a traitor
43:06at the round table
43:07and throwing accusations?
43:08Like, we knew it was coming
43:10and we knew you weren't,
43:11you know,
43:12you can't hide in that game
43:13and you have to throw names out
43:15so we knew it was coming
43:15but it still takes you by surprise.
43:19Do you know when
43:21his face just told me
43:22he was gunning for me
43:23and I thought,
43:24this is a different face
43:25to the turret face
43:27but, yeah,
43:28it had to be done.
43:28It was slightly unnerving
43:30but we kind of...
43:31Did you feel the same way, Stephen,
43:32when the accusations
43:33were being thrown at you
43:34from Rachel at the round table?
43:36Yeah, surprisingly,
43:37like, I think...
43:38I think Rachel had more trust in me
43:40than I had in her
43:41and yet at the round table
43:43I think I gave her a harder time
43:45than she gave me
43:49but, yeah,
43:50any time I heard anyone
43:52saying my name,
43:53I mean,
43:53I was perspiring profusely
43:55and, you know,
43:56I would look the same colour
43:57as your shoes, you know?
43:59So, yeah,
44:00I was terrified
44:01whenever I heard my name
44:02but I think knowing that...
44:04Knowing that Rachel
44:05could have been going
44:06behind my back
44:06and I know how influential
44:08Rachel was in that castle
44:09and I think we all...
44:10kind of were in awe, really,
44:12of how Rachel moved around
44:13the circles and everyone
44:15and just has such a kind of
44:17gravity in her...
44:18in her way of conducting herself
44:19and so I just knew
44:20that I stood no chance
44:22if I just didn't say
44:23anything about Rachel,
44:25you know,
44:25because she could say one line
44:27and it would just take me down
44:28so, yeah,
44:29I was terrified.
44:30We think on Uncloats
44:31that a lot of your perspiring
44:32was down to the fact
44:33you wore really big jumpers.
44:35Let's...
44:36Let's talk about
44:36your fashion sense in general
44:38because it's been
44:38an absolute delight,
44:39this series.
44:40Thank you very much.
44:41Thinking,
44:41God, I hope Stephen
44:42doesn't get banished
44:43because I want to see
44:43breakfast tomorrow,
44:45you know?
44:45So, I...
44:47Before going into the castle,
44:50I know I've got
44:52a very red face, right?
44:53So, this is something
44:54that, you know,
44:55my partner did say to me,
44:57what the hell are you
44:58going to do
44:58about your face in there?
45:00And, well,
45:01so I thought
45:02if I distract them
45:03from the neck down,
45:06maybe they won't
45:07notice the neck up.
45:09So, I just...
45:10I thought if I wear clothes
45:11that are a bit flamboyant
45:13and loud,
45:13then maybe they'll just
45:14be going,
45:14oh, Stephen,
45:15you look really great today.
45:17Rather than looking up here
45:18and going,
45:19you're a traitor,
45:20you know?
45:21So, it was all
45:22kind of tactics.
45:23And I do also just love
45:24kind of that kind of fashion
45:25as well,
45:26but I do think
45:27it kind of helped
45:28distract a little bit.
45:29Well, you look fantastic.
45:30I mean, I obviously get
45:31the episodes a little bit early
45:32so we can do Uncloats
45:33and I watch the first episode
45:34and everyone's going,
45:35what do you think of it,
45:36everyone who works
45:36in Uncloats?
45:37And I said,
45:37where did Stephen
45:38get his jacket from?
45:39Yeah, you and the rest
45:40of the country
45:40are asking me
45:41the same question.
45:41Taylor-made, apparently.
45:43Above your station already.
45:47Finally,
45:48what does the money
45:49mean to you both?
45:50Rachel,
45:50let's start with you.
45:51Like, it just means
45:52an opportunity
45:53for my family.
45:54Do you know?
45:55A nice time,
45:57nice memories
45:58and lots of fun.
46:00And that's what
46:01it's all about.
46:01What about you, Stephen?
46:03I think, like I said,
46:06you kind of start
46:07to realise
46:07how much your
46:08kind of family
46:09gave up for you
46:10when you were younger
46:10and I think just being able
46:11to hopefully try
46:12and give something back
46:13would just be
46:15great for me.
46:16I just really hope
46:17I can do for them
46:18what they've done
46:19for me previously.
46:20Well, look,
46:21you've all been
46:21absolutely incredible.
46:22Thank you so much
46:23to all five of you
46:24for coming on Uncloats
46:24and entertaining us
46:25so effortlessly
46:26throughout the whole
46:27course of the game.
46:28A massive round of applause
46:29for our finalists.
46:30Jack Faraz
46:31and Jade
46:32and our first
46:33point-taker winners
46:34Stephen and Rachel
46:36and keep your
46:36round of applause
46:37going for the one
46:38and only
46:38Claudia Winkleman.
46:42The chat continues
46:43in your BBC
46:44Sound bonus episode
46:45with more from
46:46Jack Faraz,
46:47Jade,
46:47Stephen,
46:48Rachel and Claude.
46:49We're going to get
46:50loads more reaction
46:51from our finalists
46:52to all the gameplay
46:53this series
46:53and for the first time
46:55ever,
46:55we're putting questions
46:56to the players
46:56from you,
46:57the listener.
46:58To hear that,
46:58just scan the
46:59on-screen QR code
47:00or search for us
47:01in your BBC Sounds app.
47:02It really is that simple.
47:04Now,
47:04if you've seen
47:05all the fun
47:05our players have had
47:06and all the cash
47:07our winners have won
47:07and you fancy
47:08your chances,
47:09then why not apply
47:10to be on Series 5?
47:11Just head to
47:12bbc.co.uk
47:13forward slash
47:13take part
47:14where you'll find
47:15all the info you need.
47:16And if you can't
47:17get enough traitors,
47:18then the first two episodes
47:19of The Traitors' Island
47:20are now available
47:21on BBC iPlayer.
47:23And that's that.
47:23This series had it all.
47:25Fake jobs,
47:26hidden relationships,
47:27a confessional booth,
47:28a ceremonial dagger,
47:30a secret traitor,
47:31one enormous outburst
47:32around the kitchen island
47:33and a cat amongst
47:33the pigeons,
47:34Roxy!
47:36What more could you ask for?
47:38Thank you for watching
47:39this series of Uncloaked.
47:40I'm Ed Gamble.
47:41Stay faithful.
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