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00:00He really didn't care much about this rock star thing at all. He was the least rock star. That
00:06made him so unique. First thing he said is that in Motorhead, all of us got to be front persons.
00:12It's not me in the front. It's all of us.
00:16Rock, metal, frog, and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:22Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:28And now, it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:32Yeah, Vicky, you start talking about hockey. And of course, here in Detroit, Hockey Town,
00:38we've had a lot of your Swedish brethren. I've had a chance to play with some of these guys,
00:42Nick Lindstrom and Holmstrom and all these guys.
00:44Yeah, me too. Lindstrom is great. He's working for the Wings, right?
00:51Right, yeah. He's up the chain of command just a little bit. So you're a huge hockey fan.
00:57You played hockey. Oh, yeah. I play hockey. I play two, three times a week during the winter
01:04season with Gothenburg Academy team, kind of. And I have to be obviously a little careful.
01:13I can't go on. I got to be responsible when we're getting closer to touring or something.
01:20But I do love it. Hockey's my life. Yeah. I care more about that than music, actually.
01:28Is that right? Oh, yeah. I was going to ask you, do you have a pick for the Stanley Cup
01:33this year?
01:34I think, man, I'll tell you what, Carolina's tough and Colorado's tough. I don't know who's
01:39going to win that one. I don't know. I'm a Montreal Canadian fan, believe it or not.
01:44Game seven tonight, of course. Yeah.
01:46Yeah. We'll see how that goes. Yeah. Buffalo's good, too.
01:50Yeah. Yeah. That series has been kind of weird because there's been games where Buffalo hasn't
01:55even been in the same building. And then, of course, you know, they blew Montreal out the
01:58other day. So, you know, it's yes. We'll see which team shows up in Montreal at the Bell Center.
02:04I can't believe it. Yeah. Wow. Hey, real fast, before we before we talk about the band and what
02:10else you have going on, I wanted to tell you this story of back in 1990 or 91, whenever you
02:15were
02:15touring with with Don Dock and I actually ran into in a hotel lobby and I was there to pick
02:20up Don to
02:21take him to the radio station. This was in Buffalo, New York. And I don't know if you ever heard
02:25this
02:25story before, but I picked up Don in our station vehicle, which was a 1967 Hearst because my vehicle
02:33was always broken down. And Don, he walked out of the hotel and he looked at the thing and he
02:37said,
02:38I don't I only thought I'd be in one of these things once in my life.
02:42Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. That was that was a great tour. Actually, we we were out for 11 months straight.
02:50Yeah. It's a big one. Yeah. Very, very good.
02:53Yeah. And of course, you know, Don just coming off of docking and George Lynch went solo as well and
02:59both
02:59had a great records that did very well. Yeah. Yeah, we did. And yeah, good, good days. It was a
03:08great
03:08college for me coming from King Diamond, actually, because, well, I said it a million times, but parts of
03:17leaving King Diamond was was I felt very narrow as a drummer, you know, I I had too much stress
03:25in my
03:26heart with backbeats and drum fills and, you know, clever fucking time changes and stuff. And when I came
03:37to L.A., we actually moved to L.A. in 1987, 88 and start jamming with regular rock dudes, you
03:45know.
03:47So, you know, I felt very narrow. I couldn't see them. My groove wasn't really there. My time timing
03:54wasn't there. And so Don was that was perfect. What a great band. And playing with Peter Balthus and
04:01John Norum and Billy White. But then obviously, I felt that I belong in the heavier division, really.
04:09So I finally said yes to Lenny and the boys in Motorhead. They asked me since 86 to join the
04:16band, but I
04:17respectfully turned them down. I didn't think I I earned my stripes yet to to join that crazy band.
04:25Yeah. And of course, you spent most of your time with that band, right? That was the longest. Yeah.
04:2925 years almost. So, you know. Wow. Yeah. What was what was it like to look out on stage and
04:36see
04:36Lemmy in front of you every show? Yeah, it was great. You know, we never thought about it that way.
04:43But
04:44we were such a team, you know, very unique team and family, I have to say.
04:52Now all three of them are gone, you know, Versa, Lemmy and Phil. It's unbelievable when I'm thinking back,
04:59how much fun we had. And then when Versa left, I was very sad. And Lemmy too. That was Lemmy's
05:07best
05:07buddy. But he just wasn't up for it anymore. So that was a big loss. But then again, we recovered
05:15and
05:15did amazing as a three piece for most of the time there. And now they're all gone. It's
05:23fucking weird. Yeah, really weird. I heard you talk in another interview about how, you know,
05:28Lemmy really stuck to his guns. And he was he was he didn't if he didn't think it was right,
05:34he just didn't do it. Exactly. Yeah. And as frustrating as that was sometimes,
05:43because he did not know everything best. You know, we were told democracy in this band.
05:51We voted him down many times, me and Phil. I was maybe a little bit more involved with the
06:00business as well. You know, they we all made decisions. That's that's now where I'm trying to
06:06get get at. But I'm actually interested in numbers and and, you know, the business side of it.
06:13And they were just like more, oh, what the hell you deal with it, kind of. And then when it
06:19came to
06:20making decisions, of course, we all sat down and did that. But because I was more involved with the
06:27business side and then or more interested in it, I knew a lot more about certain things than maybe
06:37both of them together, you know, certain things that I really thought we had to do because it was good
06:45for us. And and if Lemmy just was in that mood where he didn't want to do it, either me
06:52and Phil
06:52had to vote him down. I mean, two against one, basically. And he didn't like that, of course.
07:02Or or I had to just give up because he made a point sometimes that what's the point, Mickey, you
07:10know, and he he made me look in a different angle about it. And he was right, you know, a
07:17lot of times
07:18about this not compromising the band or selling out. And, you know, yeah, and I learned a lot from
07:27him there. And that was we were we were so good together because me, me and Phil might be a
07:34little
07:34bit too modern sometimes for Motorhead. And Lemmy was sometimes too old fashioned. So, you know,
07:42he come with some stuff. And me and Phil said, Look, we're not going to write another Buddy Holly
07:49record, you know, because he loved rock and roll. Yeah. And he came to us and said, What the
07:55fuck have you guys been writing here? We're not rush. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right.
08:01Let me maybe it's a little too much for Motorhead. So. So we met in the middle and he was
08:06perfect,
08:07you know? Yeah, that's great. You know, just talking to you, I didn't even think about this,
08:11but when that movie Airheads came out and those guys uttered the words, Lemmy is God, which
08:17has kind of become this cultural thing now ever since. I know. What did Lemmy think about that?
08:23Did he ever talk about it? No, he really didn't care much about this rock star thing at
08:31all. Over all these years and as many as I met, he was the least rock star. You know what
08:40I mean?
08:42And that made him so unique. I could see on his face sometimes, you know, that he did enjoy the
08:52fact
08:52that we were gaining something maybe because of status, if you will. But he was always for the
09:01little guy. I mean, you know what? He stood up for us all the time because obviously a lot of
09:09times
09:10he was just, Oh, we want Lemmy for this TV thing or interview. And he said, No, if the band
09:16isn't here,
09:16I ain't doing it, you know? Yeah. And I remember he stood up for me when I joined the band,
09:24finally joined the band a lot because there was a lot of hardcore Motorhead fans, especially in UK.
09:32They were like, Who's this? Who's this guy? You know, is he from Poison or, you know, Warrant or some
09:39hair band? And they didn't know me from King Diamond, obviously or so. And let me just ream them
09:47a new asshole. Basically, you never seen this fucking guy play. And later on, they accepted me
09:54immediately. You know, he stood up for me all the time. And he the first thing he said is that
10:00in Motorhead, all of us got to be front persons. It's not me in the front. It's all of us.
10:08So he always
10:09pushed us from behind. Like, we have to step forward. We have to be front people on stage and equally,
10:19you know, on each way. And that is very, very unique, trust me, in this world, in this business,
10:28because the more you can throw the drummer and the bass player off stage, the better singers and guitar
10:35players think it is. You know, I never accepted that. I am. I take my space or I'm not playing
10:43with whatever band I played with. I am a front person on my drum kit, you know?
10:49Yeah. And you were in that band for 25 years. So obviously, I mean, probably a mix of feeling
10:55comfortable, feeling like part of the band. Just why do you think that you were in there for so long?
11:01Well, I would have been there now if Lemmy was still alive, you know, if we were still playing.
11:06I would never, ever quit a band like Motorhead. Because we had it all. We had
11:13the music. Oh, let's start with a friendship and the family. I'm never going to get that ever again,
11:20I don't think, in that way. And we handpicked people, the whole crew and everyone around us were
11:31carefully handpicked over all these years. So each possession, each position of whatever people did
11:41was handpicked and perfect, fit in perfect with this band. So it was such a pleasure being on tour.
11:54And then we had the music and we had everything, you know? So I would never quit a band like
12:00Motorhead.
12:00Yeah. Unfortunately. Were you at his birthday bash? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you mean when he was 70?
12:11Yeah. No, no, I wasn't there. I couldn't make it. I was somewhere else. I don't remember now.
12:19I couldn't make it to the 70s birthday. But we basically just
12:24said bye a few weeks before, two weeks earlier. So 10 days, I think. And that was the last time
12:33I saw him in the dressing room. And on the 11th, actually, of December. And now with Lex Legion,
12:43we're kind of getting the same deal here with the friendship that we have.
12:49Yeah. And have had in 38, 40 years. Me and Andy actually grew up on the same street.
12:57Me, Pete and Andy lives an hour away from each other, like in a triangle type.
13:03I live in Gothenburg and 45 minutes south is Andy. And one hour east, northeast is Pete. So
13:14Hal is in Norway. He's about three hours away. And Nils as well. So it's
13:22and that's when like Pete came with a couple of riffs. And I said, let's call Andy and Hal. If
13:29the
13:29four of us will do this and we get a great singer, maybe we have something here. And that's what
13:35we did.
13:36Yeah. And did did you always were you always in contact with the other guys, even? Yeah. Yeah.
13:42Even back in the day before cell phones and you couldn't text and stuff. You just call them up.
13:46Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we saw each other all the time. And a few years ago. Well, actually, I don't
13:53know what this is, maybe
13:55maybe seven years ago or something where we did this
14:00Nordic Beast. I brought in Hal Patino on bass with John Norum and Mick from Europe and myself
14:08and Steen Ă…ge Nilsson on vocal. Very good singer, too, from Norway.
14:13We did something called we call it Nordic Beast.
14:17It didn't last for very long for different reasons. But Hal was the bass player in that project.
14:25But here we created a new band. And the plan for this year is to do press like I'm doing
14:32with you.
14:33Put the band on the map and we already start working on the next record. Really?
14:39That we're going to try to get down as much as we can this year. I'm going to be very
14:46busy with
14:46Scorpions from June on now. And so my focus is there, of course. And next year, we're going to go
14:55out
14:55and start playing live. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. So 2027, obviously,
14:59you've got to clear up your schedule a little bit. Let's talk about this record, which, by the way,
15:03drops on June 12th. People should know the first two tracks have already been released,
15:06Sleep Eternally and Gypsy Tears. Tell me about the rest of the flavor of this record.
15:12I mean, there can't be any ballads or anything on there, can there?
15:16No, there's an instrumental song in the end, the last one on the record.
15:26Yeah, Far Away. Far Away. And it has a certain meaning for Andy. He named it, actually. And it's
15:35something that Andy, I think Andy and Pete had a little acoustic thing. And we used to do that with
15:43King Diamond too. We always had like an acoustic part of it, you know? Yeah.
15:49And it's great. And the song before that is the fastest song on the whole record. It's like a fast
15:57as a shark type of song, you know? So it's a real fist in your face. And then it drops
16:03to this
16:05melodic, beautiful type of song. But it's not a ballad. It's just a very beautiful acoustic thing.
16:13Yeah. I was only being facetious, I suppose, because the first two songs I've heard are so
16:17ripping. Yeah. The one you're talking about is called Life Eternal.
16:22Yes. That's the one that you said is pretty fast.
16:25You're going to hear the hardest rock and roll scream you ever heard on a record.
16:32OK? Really? Think about that when you listen to it. All right.
16:37After the first verse on that song, you'll hear a scream that I never heard anything like it.
16:48So, OK, then you've been around a minute. Yeah. So it's so did did did Nils the did he do
16:53this a
16:54bunch of times? Are we in the studio when he did this scream?
16:56No, he did it on his own. And I just fucking loved it. It doesn't get harder than this. It
17:03does not
17:04get harder than this. How much did you enjoy making and working and creating these songs and
17:10this record with these guys? Oh, 100 percent, you know, because a lot of people, rightfully so,
17:19compare us now to the old Diamond records that we did. But that's how we wrote music.
17:26Those days. And we continue writing this way. We are probably a nightmare for a more
17:34regular producer who will tear his or her hair off. Because why is this part over here? Why are you
17:43doing a double solo there? Or why do you have guitar harmonies after there? And it doesn't make any
17:50sense. But that's how we wrote those days. And that's the whole point of this. You know,
17:57we continue doing this on this record. It's not just verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo verse,
18:03double chorus ending. You know, traditional. There's bits and bobs. And why do you stop there?
18:13Why do you have this ending? It means nothing. It's just prolonging the song.
18:18Well, we like it. And that's why it's there, you know?
18:22Yeah, it flows or whatever the case is. Like I said, that record drops on June 12th,
18:28nine songs. And so you just mentioned that you guys are already working on another record.
18:32Yeah, we're riffing away already. And
18:36as I said, I'll be very busy with Scorpions at least up till October. We do. The last thing we
18:43do,
18:44as far as I know right now, is the residency in Vegas. Right. September going into October again.
18:51And we love doing that, by the way. It's fantastic fun. Yeah. I was going to ask you like, I
18:56mean,
18:56how cool is that to do a residency where you don't go anywhere to travel? We love it. And we
19:02have so
19:02many friends in Vegas and what a great city, great people, great venue. The Stark Arena. I think it's
19:11still called the Stark. It changed names over the years since we've been there a couple of times,
19:19you know, four times or something else. No, it's great fun. And so that's where we're going to end,
19:28I think, what I know so far. And then hopefully we can cut some basic tracks and get as far
19:38as we
19:38can on this new record. With this residency show, correct me if I'm wrong, do you guys do like
19:45every other night or every third night or how does that work? Yeah, we do three nights a week.
19:50Okay. Gotcha. And that varies. It might be a Thursday, Saturday and a Monday or something.
19:58And then there's a Friday and a Saturday and a Wednesday or, you know, it varies a little bit.
20:04And have you had a chance to go see a show at the Sphere yet?
20:08Yes. No, not a show. But I did go to that movie thing they have. Okay.
20:14Okay. The Earth thing, the spaceship that comes down with the girl and the guy and they show the
20:21whole planet. And that was just stunning. Amazing. Yeah, I could imagine that. That place looks wild.
20:26I haven't been in Vegas in quite a few years. So when you guys do this residency in Vegas,
20:32do you guys kind of mix up the set list or how does that work? And who picks the set
20:35list in the
20:36Scorpions? No, we all do. We all do actually. But this year is an extension of last year's 60th
20:45anniversary show. And it's really, really good. I mean, we have a great 70s medley in there and
20:54the set works really fine. Because I was asking the guys before we actually started this year,
21:02what we're going to take out or what we're going to add about rehearsal and stuff. And they said they
21:08want us to continue doing the 60th anniversary show. And it's great. And we have Buck Cherry
21:17on there again, because they opened for us last year. So obviously, the promoter want the same thing.
21:23We broke a lot of records there last year.
21:27Really?
21:28Yeah, it was sold out to the Boneyard. And I think we broke the bar record for the venue.
21:36It was a tremendous success. So yeah, let's continue with that one.
21:42So do you just live your life in Vegas for a few weeks or a month or whatever? That's it?
21:46Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
21:48Order hotel room service?
21:51Pretty much. Yeah, I hang out with my friends. I have so many friends.
21:56A lot of people moved to Vegas from LA. And so every day is full of events happening.
22:07And my good friend, Red Cup Jeff, he knows every little thing that goes on over there.
22:11So, you know.
22:13I see that guy online. Yeah, right.
22:14You've seen Red Cup. Yeah, I've seen that, yeah.
22:16I call him Blue Cup Jeff.
22:21He knows everything.
22:23Obviously, you were influenced by Kiss.
22:26Yeah, yeah. I love the band from the 70s, you know.
22:30And they're good friends and we toured with them.
22:32And, you know. But Kiss is a great band to kind of do that kind of thing for, I would
22:40say, you know.
22:41I like to do a Motorhead version with Symphony Orchestra. That would have been even more unique, you know.
22:49Yeah. But there's a few bands that fits. And Kiss is one of them.
22:56Yeah. Yeah. They did a couple. They did one live album with an orchestra up and up.
23:00Yes. But here, the conductor here, his name is Ulf Bodenbrot. And he's one of the best in the world,
23:09you know, a Swedish guy.
23:11So, him and me, we would have looked like dumbasses, you know, if this wasn't right.
23:18Just to go out and blow through this and not sounding right was just too much of a gamble, you
23:24know.
23:24And would all of the players have had Kiss makeup on?
23:28Yes. Yeah. Would have been awesome.
23:31And you would have had your Peter Criss makeup on?
23:34I would probably look like King Diamond or something.
23:38No, I don't know. I would look like Picky D or something, you know.
23:43When was the last time you talked to King Diamond? I don't even know what your relationship is with him.
23:47Yeah, yeah. No, it's fine. I don't talk to him frequently.
23:50He came and saw me in Dallas, where he lives, when we passed through with Scorpions a few years ago.
23:57And I called him. Maybe not last year. Yeah, last year, maybe.
24:03He couldn't come to the show. No, it was a year before, actually. He had to pass.
24:10So, you know, we stayed in touch.
24:12And, oh, actually, I saw him last summer in Barcelona at the festival they did.
24:18So, we had a long, good chat there. And it's all fine, you know.
24:22Yeah, yeah. That's great, because you hate when you're rock star heroes don't get along.
24:27It seems like there's something wrong with the universe when it's happening.
24:30But I'm glad you guys are on good standing.
24:32Yeah, yeah. We're on good terms.
24:34And, you know, when I left in the 80s, it was for some different reasons.
24:39It wasn't because I didn't like King or anything.
24:41It was just, as I said, I felt like a narrow drummer.
24:45I wanted to play something else.
24:48I didn't think we were a team anymore as much as we were earlier years.
24:58I thought maybe King was going off more on himself and the rest of the band.
25:04We were one piece and he was, we kind of separated a little bit.
25:08And that wasn't what I liked for the band.
25:12What I liked was when we were five guys, best friends, and we worked in one direction.
25:19And that is very important for me.
25:21I wouldn't stay with Rolling Stones if I played with them or any huge.
25:29If Beatles started up again and they offered me this spot, if we weren't best buddies, I wouldn't play there.
25:37You know, it's just not me.
25:38And you didn't really go too long in your career without a gig, if I'm not mistaken.
25:42You went from King Diamond right to Undock and right to Motorhead, right to the Scorpions, right?
25:47Yes.
25:49Wow.
25:49And Thin Lizzy in Between, which I had to, one of my favorite bands, I unfortunately had to pass because
25:58Scorpions was, it was more, Thin Lizzy was only over the summer.
26:04But I was very, very honored by being asked about it.
26:08I called Brian Downey, said, why aren't you doing it?
26:11You know, you're one of my, you're supposed to do this.
26:15But he said, you'd be fine, Mickey.
26:17You're perfect.
26:18You fucking play.
26:19I don't want to do it.
26:21I had to call Scott Goran back and say, I'm so sorry.
26:25I have to pass on this because I believe Scorpion is going to be something more than over the summer,
26:31you know?
26:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:32And that's so cool.
26:34Your son plays and everything I saw.
26:35Yeah, yeah.
26:36He had to step in and have to show in Mexico City.
26:39Yeah, yeah.
26:40Marcus is a great drummer and great guitar player, great piano player.
26:46And his heart is really in the music.
26:50So when he's ready to press the button and get out there and find something, I have to help him
26:57out there, you know?
26:58Yeah, that's great when your kids can do what you love to do as well.
27:01You pass it on down to them.
27:03But, hey, one more thing, since I'm here in Detroit in the Motor City, you're part of this Verde Motor.
27:09I don't know how to pronounce it.
27:11What is that whole thing with the cars?
27:13With the cars?
27:14Yeah.
27:15Oh, Verde Motori.
27:17Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:18Verde Motori.
27:19That was the second way I was going to pronounce it.
27:20Okay, so go ahead.
27:21I'm sorry.
27:22No, it's me and one of my best friends.
27:24We started a company.
27:27We're kind of like agents for luxury cars.
27:30So we get these people, either they have amazing, super exclusive cars they want to sell, and we sell them
27:42for them.
27:42Or we get these people contacting us, they're looking for certain cars, and we'll find them for them.
27:54Because my friend, Johan, he had the agency here in Sweden for Lamborghini, Bentley, Maserati, McLaren.
28:05He has an amazing network.
28:08And so do I, actually.
28:10I'm a big car guy.
28:11So we're doing really, really great, you know.
28:15Even the Porsche family recruited us to find certain cars, you know.
28:23Wow.
28:24And, you know, we're just selling these super exclusive stuff, you know.
28:29And we buy some cars and sell cars, basically.
28:33I'm a car dealer.
28:35That's amazing.
28:37Yeah, it is.
28:38Yeah, one of my friends does something similar here in the Motor City.
28:42Unfortunately, I'm not in your demo.
28:44I'm not looking for a luxury car.
28:47Well, let me know if you want an exclusive car.
28:51Just call me up, and I'll get it for you.
28:53Well, I appreciate that.
28:54Well, Mickey, I'll tell you what we'll let you loose here.
28:56Lex Legion, like I said, that comes out on June 12th with nine tracks.
29:01Sleep Eternally is out right now.
29:02Gypsy Tears is out right now.
29:04We'll see you on tour with the Scorpions this year.
29:07And go Habs go, as they say.
29:09Even though I grew up in Buffalo, I'll say it just for you.
29:11Go Habs go.
29:13Yeah, there we go.
29:14All right.
29:14It's going to be exciting.
29:15It's going to be exciting.
29:17It's getting hot now, you know.
29:19Yeah, no doubt.
29:21Yeah.
29:23Hot in more ways than once.
29:25So go ahead.
29:25I'm sorry.
29:25The World Cup.
29:26World Cup's going on.
29:27So we got our ass kicked by Canada.
29:30Not kicked, but we lost to Canada.
29:32Beat Denmark.
29:34Nice check next today here in like 20 minutes or something.
29:40Yeah.
29:41Well, I'm looking forward.
29:42Great to talk to you.
29:43I could talk to you about hockey all day long.
29:44I've got stuff.
29:45I know.
29:45I love it.
29:46Like, man, it's just so much fun.
29:48So, well, I appreciate your time.
29:49Good luck with everything.
29:50Lex Legion.
29:51Maybe we'll see you here in Detroit Rock City sometime soon.
29:54We definitely got to come and play U.S. as soon as we're out on the road.
30:00And I just want to mention the album, as you said, coming out June 12th.
30:05It's on the shorter side on purpose because we want it to sound badass on a vinyl.
30:12That's right.
30:14We could have thrown two more songs in there, but we said, no, let's keep it short and sweet.
30:20And let's come out with a second record fairly soon.
30:24Yeah.
30:24The songs are all short.
30:26Four and a half minutes, three, three and a half minutes.
30:28Yeah.
30:28So, yeah.
30:28For the vinyl reason, of course.
30:30I mean, I'm a vinyl guy myself.
30:31Just drop it on the turntable.
30:32I can't wait to hear it.
30:33Yeah.
30:34It's like 35 minutes in total.
30:36It could have been 40.
30:38But, you know, for vinyl, you want to keep it a little on the downside because of the quality.
30:45And that was more important to us than just throwing in one or two more songs, you know.
30:55Yeah.
30:56That was one of the things I know on Chinese Democracy with Guns N' Roses.
31:00They put so much stuff in there.
31:01Some of the songs, they sound terrible, like compressed.
31:05Yeah.
31:05Compressed like crazy.
31:06Yeah, I know.
31:07And we wanted this record to sound really airy and loose and powerful.
31:15And you lose a lot of that on vinyl because it's more fun to make records today for vinyls than
31:23for CDs,
31:24even if CDs are on the way up again, which is kind of fun, too, I think.
31:28Yeah.
31:29Well, I'm a vinyl guy for sure.
31:31And this record so far, what I've heard, sounds vinyl worthy, as I would say.
31:34But, yeah.
31:36Mickey, safe travels.
31:37We will talk to you when you're here in Detroit next time.
31:39Okay.
31:40And have fun.
31:40Sounds good.
31:41All right.
31:42Cheers.
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