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Philosopher Stefan Molyneux's 8 May 2026 Friday Night Live confronts a caller's UFO beliefs and evidence gaps to forge skeptical truth power.
0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:17 The Alien Question
0:04:53 Unveiling Area 51
0:07:34 Historical Encounters
0:09:14 The Nature of Truth
0:11:53 Personal Insights
0:15:55 UFOs and Relationships
0:19:46 Philosophical Connections
0:27:56 The Nature of Reality
0:38:16 The Challenge of Travel
0:44:06 The Cost of Belief
0:52:10 Personal Struggles
0:53:07 Dating History
0:53:37 Work and Aspirations
0:54:06 Views on Relationships
0:59:27 Belief in the Unknown
1:02:20 The Isolation of Mysticism
1:04:25 Community and Connection
1:12:27 The Power of Conversation
1:20:37 Closing Thoughts
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0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:17 The Alien Question
0:04:53 Unveiling Area 51
0:07:34 Historical Encounters
0:09:14 The Nature of Truth
0:11:53 Personal Insights
0:15:55 UFOs and Relationships
0:19:46 Philosophical Connections
0:27:56 The Nature of Reality
0:38:16 The Challenge of Travel
0:44:06 The Cost of Belief
0:52:10 Personal Struggles
0:53:07 Dating History
0:53:37 Work and Aspirations
0:54:06 Views on Relationships
0:59:27 Belief in the Unknown
1:02:20 The Isolation of Mysticism
1:04:25 Community and Connection
1:12:27 The Power of Conversation
1:20:37 Closing Thoughts
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00:00:00Hello, friends, neighbors, colleagues, co-reasoners.
00:00:07Hello, everybody.
00:00:09I hope you're doing well.
00:00:12Hope you're having a great day.
00:00:14Hoping you're having a good life with its ups and downs.
00:00:18Ah, life, life, life.
00:00:20I am, of course, overjoyed, thrilled, and happy to take your questions.
00:00:28And let's start right off with Bon.
00:00:33Bon, put you two together, and it's once on the lips, forever on the hips.
00:00:38Bon, Bon, if you want to mute, I'm all ears.
00:00:41Oh, hey, thanks for accepting my request.
00:00:47You're welcome. Go ahead.
00:00:48Okay.
00:00:50Yeah, I was looking at this alien stuff, and I think I've come into, like, Christianity on my own, just
00:00:58because life's taken me there.
00:01:00And now all this stuff coming out about aliens, like, I've watched a lot of alien videos.
00:01:06I've probably had, like, a thousand hours of documentary watching and eyewitness testimony and congressional hearings and stuff like that.
00:01:17But just to give you an idea of, like, how much I've studied this alien stuff.
00:01:22And I just can't reconcile the two, and I don't know – I just don't know how to think about
00:01:30it.
00:01:31If you have any – that's all I have to say.
00:01:33If you have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear it.
00:01:34So when you say you can't reconcile the two, which two?
00:01:39Do you mean God and aliens?
00:01:42Yeah, like angels and demons versus extraterrestrials or some type of AIs that visit us or something.
00:01:51Okay.
00:01:52So tell me a little bit about what you've learned from your thousand hours about aliens.
00:01:59Okay, well, there's a whole bunch of different theories, but they definitely appear over nuclear weapons facilities, like, all the
00:02:10time.
00:02:10But Robert Hastings has a book that documents all the 167 different cases where, you know, the most steady and
00:02:20trustworthy and mentally stable people are running those nuclear missile tests.
00:02:26So we can trust their testimony, you know, I guess.
00:02:32And then all the Bob Lazar stuff and the documentaries about him and how even though there were some shady
00:02:38things, like how he only told Jacques Vallée that he was meant to drink a memory-blocking potion or some
00:02:48type of roofie thing.
00:02:51And there's some other shady stuff about his past, but all the other stuff about his testimony seems to be
00:02:59true.
00:03:00So they're definitely...
00:03:02And I'm sorry, I don't know really what you're talking about.
00:03:05So testimony about what seems to be true?
00:03:08Oh, sorry.
00:03:09Assume I know nothing.
00:03:10Yeah, just assume I know nothing.
00:03:11So go ahead.
00:03:12Yeah, well, he worked at Area S4 and they were reverse engineering the UFO craft there.
00:03:20Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:03:23So, sorry to be annoying, but as a communicator, when I say, assume I know nothing, and then you say,
00:03:29well, he worked at S4, what the hell do I know about S4?
00:03:33Oh, man, I'm so sorry, you're right.
00:03:35No problem.
00:03:35You're right.
00:03:37Okay, so this was before Area 51 was even known by the public as a thing that existed.
00:03:43And he was being solicited by Area S4, which is an even more secret part of Area 51.
00:03:52It's just south of it.
00:03:53And this is where...
00:03:54Okay, so you're assuming I know much about Area 51 now.
00:03:56Area S4, I don't know much about that.
00:03:58Well, it's part of Area 51.
00:04:00As far as I know, Area 51 is where the United States government is supposed to have taken and kept
00:04:07space alien technology and bodies.
00:04:10Is that right?
00:04:12No, they usually go to airbases.
00:04:17They just fly on the airbases and keep them...
00:04:19Okay, then you'll have to explain to me what Area 51 is, because I don't think I know.
00:04:23Oh, well, yeah, eventually they do end up at Area 51, but it's been known now that they've done official
00:04:33high-end aircraft have come out of Area 51.
00:04:36And it's like a secret testing base, and you can't get anywhere near it, or they'll shoot you, even if
00:04:41you're a citizen.
00:04:42It's just crazy there.
00:04:44Okay, so hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:04:46So when I said Area 51 is where they keep space alien technology and bodies, that's not correct or that
00:04:52is correct?
00:04:54It is correct, but most of them go to airbases.
00:04:59It's not like they all just get sent to Area 51.
00:05:01They go to the nearest airbase, and then there's a bunch of whistleblower videos.
00:05:05I watch Jesse Michaels primarily, and he talks about subterranean basements containing much more advanced technology, requiring way higher clearances,
00:05:13and that most people working don't even know about that it's there.
00:05:17Okay, so there are people who say they've seen these alien bodies and technologies, but there is no – and
00:05:25this is just a comment.
00:05:26I don't mean that this proves or disproves anything, but there is no independent scientific publication or cells or anything
00:05:35like that.
00:05:36It's mostly just reported.
00:05:37And again, I'm not trying to say that that means it's definitely not true, but that's my understanding of it.
00:05:42Totally, 100%.
00:05:44The way that it's been explained to me is that they just get killed or they get blackmailed in the
00:05:50most horrible ways.
00:05:51Like if you're just going in for some cool aerospace tech job and you're a tech guy and you're just
00:05:57a normal, God-fearing individual that wants to help people and do well, if you get brought into one of
00:06:02these companies, if you want to get exposed to information, you have to get compromised as well.
00:06:08Well, it's not exactly like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, but it's – they know everything about you and they'll just
00:06:14hurt you, and that's why people – it's very easy to keep people quiet.
00:06:18They silenced an entire town in Brazil, the Virginia case in Brazil, which is an alien crash landing, and it
00:06:27was seen by the whole town, and that's a whole other story.
00:06:31But they silenced a whole town just by threatening each individual person, men in black suits.
00:06:37There's like documentaries about this.
00:06:38They come to the town of Virginia in 1996 or 1986, I forget.
00:06:44But in Virginia, Brazil, they silenced an entire town by – and it worked.
00:06:51When the documentary crew came down there, all the people didn't want to – they were actually hostile towards the
00:06:57documentary crew.
00:06:58But they're like, no, we're not going to tell you anything because it's putting our family in jeopardy.
00:07:02And they do the exact same thing with the engineers.
00:07:05That's how it's been put.
00:07:06Sorry, but silenced them about what?
00:07:08Oh, about whatever they saw, which eventually –
00:07:13Well, how do we know what they saw if they're all silenced, right?
00:07:17Well, that's the part of the documentary is getting to know these people and building a relationship with the witnesses
00:07:22and then eventually cracking them and getting information that's –
00:07:25Oh, so sorry to interrupt. So some of them weren't silenced?
00:07:29Yes, yes. Some of them eventually talked, I guess.
00:07:35Okay. And how long has the government been in receipt of this biology and technology?
00:07:44Well, it seems to be – they've been visiting us.
00:07:48Diana Walsh Pasalka is a – she studies a religious – she's a – she studies religion and she's wrote
00:07:55books on purgatory and biblical stuff.
00:08:01And she's documented that we've been visited by them throughout history all the time, constantly.
00:08:08Well, she hasn't – hang on. She hasn't documented that because she can't, right? But she's theorized that.
00:08:13Yes, yes, it's true. But in her book, Encounters, or – sorry, American Cosmic, the one before that,
00:08:21she talks about – she composites eyewitnesses from people that don't want to be discovered or not to have any
00:08:33ulterior motives.
00:08:34And also Preston Dennett on YouTube – and there's a tangent, but Preston Dennett on YouTube is a guy that
00:08:40documents all these open source cases.
00:08:42And there's so many similarities between them that eventually they have to – there's got to be some truth to
00:08:48it because there's so many similarities.
00:08:51Okay, so let me ask you this. Sorry, let me ask you this.
00:08:54And I just ask this from an epistemological standpoint or a sort of truth-falsehood standpoint.
00:09:00How would you know if this was not true?
00:09:05Or to put it another way, what standard of disproof do you have for space aliens?
00:09:11And I'm not trying to lead you anywhere. I'm just curious.
00:09:14I'm always excited to hear about new thoughts and new ideas, and I think that's great.
00:09:19But how would you know if this stuff wasn't true or what evidence or lack of evidence would you accept?
00:09:26Right. Well, I can't prove to you that anything's true.
00:09:29But what I do know is that –
00:09:30No, hang on. That's not true.
00:09:33I mean –
00:09:34Oh, sorry, sorry.
00:09:34You're talking to a philosophy guy, so you can certainly prove that some things are true.
00:09:38Go ahead. That's fine.
00:09:42Okay, hold on. Let me just compile my thoughts here.
00:09:44Okay.
00:09:47Okay.
00:09:47Well, the way I learn specifically is through stories and listening to other human beings' stories.
00:09:53That's the only way I learn.
00:09:54It's not like I'm doing the calculus and the math and stuff or writing the computer code.
00:10:01I have to trust people that they know what they're doing and know what they're saying.
00:10:05So I can only really get to know people and then listen to their stories.
00:10:08That's how human beings learn.
00:10:09That's how I learn.
00:10:11Did you trust the government – sorry to interrupt.
00:10:13Did you trust the government over COVID?
00:10:14Did you trust your government teachers?
00:10:16No, definitely not.
00:10:18Okay.
00:10:18But they have their stories and they have their perspective and so on.
00:10:22And so it's not just that you trust people and stories because there are some that you do trust and
00:10:27some that you don't, which is interesting.
00:10:28So help me understand how you differentiate these.
00:10:32True.
00:10:32Okay, totally.
00:10:34Yes, the government was telling a story, but it was a bad story.
00:10:37And it was just full of lies and old people that were decrepit and looked awful and unhealthy and you
00:10:44wouldn't want to be them or have them counsel you and all their histories are all horrible.
00:10:48So why would they not still be doing horrible things?
00:10:51Sorry, sorry.
00:10:52Hang on.
00:10:53Hang on.
00:10:53Hang on.
00:10:53I mean, I'm sure you don't mean that if somebody looks bad, you don't believe them.
00:11:00Um, I'm saying that's, well, that's a huge component of it for sure.
00:11:03Obviously, I would believe someone if they were more attractive than if it was an ugly guy talking to me,
00:11:09right?
00:11:11But not really.
00:11:12I mean, otherwise, that's saying that people who are not attractive are excluded from the realm of human discourse and
00:11:18truth and philosophy and morality.
00:11:20Yeah.
00:11:21I mean, that's not an ideal standard of truth, right?
00:11:25Which is like, I'm sorry, you're kind of cross-eyed, I don't believe anything you say, or you're bold, or
00:11:31you've got a funny nose, so you're off the list of philosophy.
00:11:36I mean, tell me a little bit more.
00:11:37I'm sure that's not your real standard.
00:11:39What do you mean?
00:11:39Not exactly that.
00:11:40I guess I just mean like old decrepit people.
00:11:42Oh, you mean like health?
00:11:43Like you don't take diet advice from fat people and the people who are talking to you about COVID all
00:11:47look like on death's door or something like that?
00:11:49Yeah, yeah.
00:11:50Like, I wouldn't even consider Peter Dinklage to be ugly.
00:11:54Never mind.
00:11:54Whatever.
00:11:54Okay, let's move on.
00:11:56Hey, don't get short with me.
00:11:57I'm just kidding.
00:11:58All right.
00:12:00So what would be your standard of disproof?
00:12:03How would you, what would lead you to thinking that this might not be the case?
00:12:07Okay, well, it would be like a reality shattering thing for me because these are all people that I've built
00:12:15a long connection with.
00:12:17Like, someone's laughing in the chat.
00:12:19Okay, Joe Rogan.
00:12:20Don't worry about the chat.
00:12:22Don't worry about it.
00:12:22We'll just talk to you and I.
00:12:23Go ahead.
00:12:23Okay.
00:12:27I've been listening to Joe Rogan for, let's say, you know, 500, 750 hours, more than that.
00:12:33And then Jesse Michaels and all these people.
00:12:35They're like, kind of, it's a parasocial relationship for sure, but it's a relationship nonetheless.
00:12:42And if they were all to be being lied to or their curation of information was subpar and it would
00:12:51just be a misjudge of character on my part.
00:12:56But I couldn't really, I couldn't pinpoint an exact thing that would prove or disproof because there's a lot of
00:13:04propaganda and there's a lot of intentional disinformation.
00:13:07Like, the swamp gas thing, J. Allen Hynek, like, they've been, they've made the term UFO sound crazy.
00:13:15Like, if you mention UFO.
00:13:17I don't know what the swamp gas thing is.
00:13:19Again, assume I know nothing.
00:13:21Oh, right.
00:13:21Sorry.
00:13:22Okay.
00:13:22So, um, we were being visited in the forties and fifties by craft and there were sightings over and over
00:13:29again.
00:13:29And it all kicked off after the first detonation test of the atomic bomb, uh, the Trinity detonation site.
00:13:36And then exactly 30 days later, an egg shaped craft landed at the Trinity site, uh, two kilometers from where
00:13:43the bomb was detonated.
00:13:45Um, Jacques Vallée talks about this.
00:13:46It's in his book.
00:13:47And, um, uh, he told Jesse on his podcast anyways, um, where's it going with this?
00:13:53Okay.
00:13:54Okay.
00:13:54So the J. Allen Hynek thing, he was, uh, basically hired by, I guess, deep state tech aerospace guys, whatever,
00:14:04uh, to be a disinformation agent.
00:14:06Or I guess I should say from the intelligence agency, a disinformation agent, um, on the subject of UFOs.
00:14:12And then one of his stories was so ridiculous.
00:14:14It was like the couple was, if you read the testimony, they clearly described like a craft in the sky
00:14:20that was glowing and it was moving at ridiculous speeds.
00:14:23And then he said, oh yeah, it's, it's a trick of the light.
00:14:25It's swamp gas.
00:14:26It's because your property is next to this methane filled swamp gas.
00:14:30And then they ignited to admit something.
00:14:31It looked like a craft, but total bullshit.
00:14:34But anyways, uh, why are we talking about?
00:14:38Oh, I was asking you what your standard of disproof was.
00:14:42Oh, okay.
00:14:44No, and I get it.
00:14:45So I think I understand that.
00:14:46I mean, you're heavily invested and we're all heavily invested in our, in our worldviews.
00:14:50So I have no, no problem with that whatsoever.
00:14:52Do you mind if I ask you some more personal questions?
00:14:54Okay.
00:14:55Yeah.
00:14:56Are you a space alien?
00:14:57No, I'm just kidding.
00:14:58I mean, you could be, I don't know, but no.
00:15:00Tell me a little bit about your childhood.
00:15:04Um, it was a really good childhood.
00:15:07My parents are German immigrants.
00:15:10Um, and they're, uh, they just were great.
00:15:16Um, my dad was, uh, uh, like a business guy.
00:15:20Uh, my mom was a stay at home mom and, uh, it was a great normal childhood.
00:15:27It was just when video games were coming out.
00:15:29So I was playing a lot of video games.
00:15:31Wait, you can't be that old.
00:15:34Um, well, I mean the good video games, when the good video games started coming out, that's
00:15:38when I was growing up as well.
00:15:40And what decade of life are you in?
00:15:44The past, the, before the third starts for the third decades.
00:15:50Okay.
00:15:50Mid, late twenties.
00:15:51Okay.
00:15:52Now, do you have siblings?
00:15:54Yeah.
00:15:56And when did you first become interested in UFOs?
00:16:00Um, probably three or five years ago.
00:16:05Um, do you realize the personal, uh, line of questioning was a total dead end and boring?
00:16:10You want to talk about UFOs again?
00:16:11No, no, I'm, I'm, I'm still, I'm still curious.
00:16:14So about three to five years ago.
00:16:16And what is it that first sparked your interest?
00:16:18Yes.
00:16:19Okay.
00:16:19So, uh, well, I listened to a lot of Joe Rogan and then he got me kind of thinking about
00:16:25the UFO stuff, but not really.
00:16:26I didn't care.
00:16:27But then the New York times article in 2017, it was like, it was like such a, it was such
00:16:34a slap in the face to everyone that was being called crazy for the last like 30, 40 years.
00:16:40Because I used to be the guy that was like, like aliens, are you crazy?
00:16:45Like you're a weirdo.
00:16:46Why would I even listen to you?
00:16:47You're an insane person without even realizing why I had that bias.
00:16:50Cause it was programmed into me without me even knowing it, you know, since being living
00:16:55in this culture.
00:16:56And then, um, all of a sudden after being called crazy for forever, all these people that the
00:17:03most official like journalist place ever New York times prints this article, uh, in 2017
00:17:10called the, um, the tic-tac.
00:17:12And it's a big, long article about an official Pentagon report, official Pentagon debriefing.
00:17:18Like, yeah, tic-tac is real.
00:17:20Here's the video.
00:17:21We don't know what it is.
00:17:22What is, what is, what is tic-tac?
00:17:24The tic-tac, it's just, they're describing the UFO craft that, um, that they saw that
00:17:30was debuted in this New York times article.
00:17:33Okay.
00:17:33That, that who saw, I, again, assume I know nothing.
00:17:36Okay.
00:17:37Okay.
00:17:37So in 2017, uh, the Pentagon intentionally declassified and told the New York times to publish this article.
00:17:45And the article was about, um, uh, a 2006 site or 2008 sighting.
00:17:53Uh, where Commander David Fravor, uh, off the coast of San Diego, um, uh, witnessed this craft with his teammates.
00:18:03And they have full, like, instrumental coverage on this thing.
00:18:07Like, they have the FLIR, uh, radar detection system.
00:18:11They have eyes on it.
00:18:12It's like moving around the, and it, it starts to play with them.
00:18:16Like, it starts to follow them when they try to circle it.
00:18:19And it's like, um, and then it rockets off and they have all the video and audio and this high
00:18:23quality data.
00:18:24And, um, so they just published it and they said, okay, it's real.
00:18:27Well, and here's all the information that we have more, but this is what we're showing you right now.
00:18:33So that's okay.
00:18:34So, sorry, I'm a little confused because I thought they, they killed people who revealed this information and then they
00:18:39just hand it over to the New York times.
00:18:41Well, that's the, that's why it's so confusing.
00:18:44There seems to be a good, I'm glad it's not just me who's confused.
00:18:47Sorry.
00:18:48Go ahead.
00:18:48Like, oh man, I mean, yeah, this has been a crazy trip.
00:18:52Like it started off with me wondering about the technology, you know, behind the UFOs, like the anti-gravity stuff
00:18:58could be really useful for us.
00:19:00Right.
00:19:00And then it gets spiritual and weird so fast, like right away.
00:19:04But, uh, yeah, the, the Tic Tac stuff is, um, pretty shocking.
00:19:09Okay.
00:19:10So by the anti-gravity stuff, you mean that their craft appear to be immune to the laws of inertia
00:19:16and momentum.
00:19:16They can turn on a dime at high speed and, and we assume that the aliens don't go splat on
00:19:21the inside.
00:19:21Like you throw an egg against the wall or something.
00:19:24Right.
00:19:24Okay.
00:19:25So first of all, the New York times is absolute trash and garbage and evil, but that's a whole different
00:19:31story.
00:19:33They're propaganda arm.
00:19:34Oh yeah, for sure.
00:19:35Okay.
00:19:35So Joe Rogan talks about space aliens.
00:19:38You get interested in that.
00:19:39And then there's something in the New York times.
00:19:41And why do you think it sparked your interest?
00:19:44And again, your interest is no problem.
00:19:47I mean, I've put 40,000 hours into philosophy, so I've got no problem with people's, uh, crazy focused interest.
00:19:53But what do you think got you so interested?
00:19:56Well, I, well, I'm interested in, in, uh, like what's going on here.
00:20:00Like, isn't that what we're all interested in?
00:20:02And I assume that if there's something, cause the universe is so big and if there's something out there, it's
00:20:06probably really smart.
00:20:08Cause it's just by the fact that it's old and it's lasted this long, it's survived entropy this long.
00:20:13It's gotta be smart.
00:20:14Uh, so it's smart and it's old and it can probably tell us more about what's going on here on,
00:20:19in our existence.
00:20:20Like what is going on, like, uh, I don't know, just the bigger questions, not just the day-to-day.
00:20:27Bigger questions like the meaning of life or good and evil or things like that, or whether there's a God,
00:20:32do you mean things like that?
00:20:33Exactly.
00:20:34And the nature of experience and like what this is all about.
00:20:37Okay.
00:20:40So, the space aliens could answer philosophical questions for us, is that, or theological questions as well, right?
00:20:47Yeah, I guess so.
00:20:49Well, no, I'm, I'm not trying to, uh, tell, tell you what you think.
00:20:52I'm just curious why you're so interested.
00:20:56And let's, the, the fact that I'm asking why you're interested again is no disrespect to your beliefs, but I'm
00:21:01curious why you're so interested in, uh, space aliens.
00:21:06Oh, okay.
00:21:07Okay, so it's like, I, if I go far and out, far enough out into space, I just, I find
00:21:13it was within me.
00:21:15No, no, no.
00:21:16I'm not trying to disprove your, your perspective.
00:21:19I'm kidding.
00:21:19Look, if, if you said, you know, the first time I saw someone play violin, I then put 10,000
00:21:25hours into learning violin, I'd say, oh, well, what was so interesting to you at the beginning?
00:21:28Or it's just a getting to know you kind of question.
00:21:31It's not a disprove question.
00:21:34Right.
00:21:34Um, well, the technology.
00:21:37Technology seems so, okay.
00:21:38Well, for the last 60 years, definitely for the amount of time that I've been alive, there's been no improvements
00:21:45in the physical reality of technology.
00:21:47Like, a little bit, but it's been mostly with computers.
00:21:50That's the big innovation sector area, right?
00:21:54It's, we've never made a big progress with physics.
00:21:57And, uh, even the progress, quote unquote, that's been happening in the universities the last 80 years has been like
00:22:04completely fruitless.
00:22:06It's the, it's called string theory, right?
00:22:07And it's done nothing for anyone.
00:22:10And it's, no, no, no, are you kidding me?
00:22:12It's, it's gotten people hundreds of billions of dollars or hundreds of millions of dollars in funding.
00:22:17I remember reading about, I remember reading about string theory back in the 80s and I, I gave up on
00:22:26it after a couple of years because I'm like, God, this, this isn't going to, I don't want to say,
00:22:30well, this isn't going to lead anywhere.
00:22:31Like I knew, I just got a real sense of the futility of it all.
00:22:33And now it is, you know, 40 plus years later and it's all still largely nonsense and theoretical and unproven
00:22:40and unreproducible.
00:22:41And of course, there's been these huge replication crises in government science and all of that where, you know, sometimes
00:22:49a third, sometimes a half, sometimes more of experiments can't even be reproduced.
00:22:53It's absolutely appalling how much and how brutally and in what a sociopathic manner they have stolen massive amounts of
00:23:01money from the taxpayers and appear to have zero fucking conscience about it at all.
00:23:06Yeah.
00:23:06And it's basically a child sacrificing factory where you go in and get mind raped and then you leave or
00:23:12something.
00:23:13Yeah.
00:23:13Your kids can't have a future because you're like dinking around and summoning demons with a fucking electrode, electron collider.
00:23:20So, okay.
00:23:21So how's your life going as a whole?
00:23:23Well, work and love, they're the two big things in general.
00:23:28Okay.
00:23:29Yeah.
00:23:29Can I just finish with the one more thing with the physics thing?
00:23:32Mm-hmm.
00:23:33Okay.
00:23:34The other part that it's interesting is that, so we haven't had advancements in physics and we have had no
00:23:43reproducible experiments with the string theory bullshit.
00:23:46But on Jesse Michaels' program, he interviewed a guy.
00:23:50This guy was the head of electrostatics at NASA currently.
00:23:55And he talked to him for three hours and he got him to cross-interview Bob Lazar in another episode,
00:24:02which is crazy.
00:24:02And they get really into the physics and stuff.
00:24:04But in this episode, Jesse reveals that, I forget his name, but he's the head of electrostatics at NASA.
00:24:21He's done 2,000 experiments of varying configurations to test this electrogravitic technology.
00:24:27And it's already like a real thing.
00:24:29Like Joe Rogan had two CEOs on about this stuff.
00:24:33But CEOs of companies that are implementing like the Casimir effect and…
00:24:39I don't know.
00:24:41Again, you're assuming I know things.
00:24:44But you don't.
00:24:44So people who are trying to raise investment or sell a product went on Joe Rogan and said the product
00:24:49worked.
00:24:49Have you never heard of Theranos?
00:24:51Right, right.
00:24:52I guess so.
00:24:53I guess so.
00:24:53It's just that it could be all considered…
00:24:57Oh, well, I guess if…
00:24:59Well, imagine if these companies engineered like some type of UFO propaganda thing.
00:25:03They'd make so much money.
00:25:04But it's too big to engineer.
00:25:06Hang on.
00:25:07Sorry.
00:25:08No, no, no.
00:25:09Listen, I'm interrupting you.
00:25:11I apologize to you.
00:25:12But let me sort of understand this as a whole.
00:25:14So they're not from this solar system, right?
00:25:17Because it seems unlikely that any other planet on the solar system would be able to develop intelligent life.
00:25:23Is that fair to say?
00:25:25Well, it gets weird immediately because, yes, they seem to be using these anti-gravity crafts and inertia-changing engines
00:25:34in atmosphere.
00:25:35And they're doing 5,000 G turns.
00:25:37But that still doesn't explain how you travel further and what type of effects that has when you're moving at
00:25:46those speeds.
00:25:47Like, what happens to everything else around you?
00:25:49Because you can't…
00:25:50Even if you're stuck in space…
00:25:51Okay, hang on.
00:25:52Hang on.
00:25:52Hang on.
00:25:53Hang on.
00:25:53What was my question?
00:25:55Oh, wait.
00:25:56Sorry.
00:25:58We've got to do this thing where we listen to each other, right?
00:26:00Otherwise, it's not my type of confo.
00:26:01Yeah, yeah.
00:26:02Sorry, sorry.
00:26:02Sorry.
00:26:02My bad.
00:26:03What was the question?
00:26:06What's interesting about the physics?
00:26:10Oh, okay.
00:26:11If they're coming from our solar system.
00:26:12Our solar system.
00:26:13There you go.
00:26:14Yeah.
00:26:15Okay.
00:26:16Well, there are a bunch of eyewitness accounts from press and Dennett where there have been cases where the aliens
00:26:23tell them they're from Venus or they're from Mars.
00:26:25And they basically seem to be living in all the planets, even…
00:26:33No, no, but sorry.
00:26:34Did they evolve?
00:26:37They didn't evolve in our solar system.
00:26:39Is that fair to say?
00:26:41Well…
00:26:41I mean, Venus has acid for air and Mars is very far from the sun.
00:26:47It has a very thin atmosphere.
00:26:48And, of course, we photographed a lot of Mars.
00:26:50There's no cities, no roads, no nothing like that, right?
00:26:52So, where are they coming from?
00:26:54Are they coming from our solar system or another solar system?
00:26:57Where they originally began, that's really like panspermia or something like that.
00:27:01I don't know, but…
00:27:02I'm sorry.
00:27:03What was that word?
00:27:04Panspermia?
00:27:06Panspermia?
00:27:07Panspermia.
00:27:08I don't know what that means.
00:27:09Am I saying that right?
00:27:10I don't know.
00:27:12I don't even know what the word means, so I can't tell you if I'm pronouncing it right.
00:27:14No, it's the origin of all life on Earth being seeded from like an asteroid at the conception of like
00:27:20Earth's crust or something.
00:27:21And then an asteroid hit with like an amoeba.
00:27:24And it just like spawned from that.
00:27:24Okay, but we're talking about space aliens, not from our world.
00:27:27So, I'm asking…
00:27:28Yeah, yeah.
00:27:28…is the general belief that they are from another planet in the solar system or are they from another solar
00:27:34system in the galaxy?
00:27:36Well, if you're on level one of alien, you would say, yeah, they're coming from other planets and other star
00:27:42systems.
00:27:42But level two is that like…
00:27:44I don't know what these levels mean, bro.
00:27:47You've got to break it down for me.
00:27:49I don't know what level one, level two means.
00:27:50Well, I just made up the levels as well.
00:27:52But let's say you're in your first 40, 50 hours.
00:27:54Okay, I'm not asking.
00:27:55What do you think?
00:27:57Oh, okay.
00:27:58Well, again, we don't even know what this is that we're in right now.
00:28:03Like this three-dimension stuff.
00:28:04Like, I don't know.
00:28:06What?
00:28:06Okay, what is three-dimension stuff?
00:28:09Well, you know, this reality that we inhabit.
00:28:12I don't even know what this thing is.
00:28:15You're not trolling me, are you?
00:28:16You're not trolling me?
00:28:18What?
00:28:18You might be trolling me, right?
00:28:20I mean, it's a pretty simple question.
00:28:21Do you think space aliens have evolved in our solar system or have come from another solar system?
00:28:29Okay.
00:28:31I don't know.
00:28:32Okay.
00:28:33It seems extremely unlikely that they have evolved in our solar system.
00:28:39We're the only planet that is in the Goldilocks zone, right?
00:28:43Not too warm, not too cold.
00:28:45We've got water.
00:28:47We have a breathable atmosphere, which is in full acid, and so on, right?
00:28:51And, of course, we've been to a whole bunch of the other planets on the solar system.
00:28:56We've flown by.
00:28:56We've got heat signatures, electromagnetic readings.
00:29:00We've landed, I think the Russians landed on Venus, and we've landed on Mars.
00:29:04We've flown past Jupiter and the moons and Uranus and Neptune and so on.
00:29:09So, I consider it functionally impossible that a highly advanced civilization has evolved in our solar system,
00:29:18and we've just completely missed it somehow,
00:29:20which means that they have to have come from another star system.
00:29:24Now, what are the barriers to traveling between the stars?
00:29:29What are the challenges?
00:29:31Without magic, like you can't just introduce wormholes or warp drives or faster than light,
00:29:36like the actual physical challenges of all the physics that we know,
00:29:41which, of course, is not all physics,
00:29:43but what are the challenges of traveling between star systems?
00:29:47Okay, well, I've got to say something.
00:29:50Okay, no, no.
00:29:50I would really like it if you would answer the question, if you don't mind.
00:29:53Okay.
00:29:54Then you can have your thing, but at least don't have me ask a question,
00:29:57then go off on a tangent, right?
00:29:59And if you can answer the question, then we can do the other topic.
00:30:02Yeah, yeah.
00:30:03I want to say something.
00:30:04That was a setup, too.
00:30:06I'm really going to answer that question hard right now.
00:30:09Sure.
00:30:11Okay, so it's like Eric Weinstein says,
00:30:14and this is what he said.
00:30:15It's not, Eric Weinstein is a physicist, and he's really smart,
00:30:20and he goes on Joe Rogan a lot, and he talks about physics,
00:30:22and he's got his own theory of everything, whatever.
00:30:26So Eric Weinstein says that you shouldn't be making, like, to leave Earth,
00:30:32you shouldn't be making rocket ships.
00:30:33You should be getting whiteboards.
00:30:36So you said, what are the physical constraints to travel from another star system to get here?
00:30:43And we just don't even know physics.
00:30:45Like, we just discovered physics, like, when we woke up, like, 500, 600 years ago or something, you know?
00:30:50Like, we need to probably be advancing physics, and that's probably, you know, the three-body problem.
00:30:56And what's been going on with string theory, there's probably some intention towards that,
00:31:01like, some type of control mechanism to prevent us from chimping out, so to speak, on a human scale.
00:31:08You know, with this technology that's extremely overpowered,
00:31:11and we should not be able to wield if we're still, like, barbarians.
00:31:16Okay, so what are the physical challenges based on current knowledge of physics of traveling between the stars?
00:31:21You said you were going to lead me into that question.
00:31:23Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Okay.
00:31:24Please, please, try and remain true to your word. Go on.
00:31:27Got it, got it.
00:31:28So current challenges, I guess, well, I don't know anything about space or nothing,
00:31:34but I'd probably say distance and, like, radiation.
00:31:40And, oh, yeah, radiation for sure.
00:31:43Like, everything would just die.
00:31:44Like a human being.
00:31:46Yeah, so, I mean, just off the top of my head, I'm not much of an expert either,
00:31:49but the distances are almost beyond comprehension.
00:31:52So the fastest human beings have gone is, like, 8,000 miles an hour.
00:31:57At that rate, it takes 75,000 years to get to the closest star system.
00:32:02And, of course, as you accelerate faster and faster,
00:32:06more and more of the energy you use to accelerate gets turned into mass.
00:32:11So you can't get close to the speed of light,
00:32:13even, of course, the speed of light.
00:32:15It's over four years to the closest star, but you can't get to the speed of light.
00:32:20The problem, of course, is the radiation that is out there in the midst of space is extraordinary
00:32:26because they don't have the Van Allen belt or whatever it is that shields us from that radiation on Earth.
00:32:30And if you were to build a strong enough hull to shield human beings from the radiation,
00:32:37then you have a spaceship that's so big that the moment you start picking up any particular speed,
00:32:43then every bit of matter out there in interstellar space acts as a bullet and cuts right through your ship.
00:32:50So travel between the stars without magic, without magic, and magic is not an answer to things.
00:33:00Now, we can say, ah, yes, but, you know, the people in the 15th century could not imagine an airplane.
00:33:06It's like, sure they could, because an airplane is not magic, right?
00:33:10So you would be able to explain to them an airplane, and the airplane would fall into the general purvey
00:33:16of the physics that they know.
00:33:19And so airplanes aren't magic.
00:33:21They don't disappear and reappear like wormholes or warp speed or faster-than-light travel and so on.
00:33:28And so nothing that we build on in physics can deny the existing physics that we have, right?
00:33:36So Einsteinian physics does not deny or overturn Newtonian physics.
00:33:41It just refines it in the edge cases of extremely fast speed and so on.
00:33:46And they've verified Einsteinian physics.
00:33:47They've had an airplane with an atomic clock go around really, really fast,
00:33:51and they've, in fact, lost a tiny slice of a second and so on.
00:33:56So travel between the stars is according to all the understanding that we have of physics.
00:34:04Now, new understandings of physics cannot overturn what we already know to be true.
00:34:13So you can't have a theory of gravity that says gravity doesn't exist, right?
00:34:19You can't have a theory of in order for an object to go from A to B, it has to
00:34:25traverse the intermediate distance.
00:34:27You can't just have something wink out from one area and wink into another area because that would be movement
00:34:33without crossing an intervening space.
00:34:36And so it's a fun sort of magic idea, and everyone who writes science fiction has to come up with
00:34:41magic in order to make that science fiction acceptable or believable.
00:34:45So then the question is, how do they get here?
00:34:49Well, it will be, you know, at least I would imagine, you know, thousands of years of travel to get
00:34:57here.
00:34:57And the other thing, too, is that how would they develop the technology to get here if they weren't a
00:35:02free market society?
00:35:03Because it is a free market that develops this kind of technology.
00:35:06Now, if it's a free market society, then they would come here and they would see us groaning under the
00:35:13authority and power of giant coercive governments.
00:35:18And out of moral sympathy, they would free us, I think, from all of this sort of stuff.
00:35:25In the same way that if we went to some other planet and we saw a bunch of slaves being
00:35:33controlled, and, of course, we would be anti-slavery because slavery is immoral, we would probably do something to help
00:35:38that out.
00:35:39So what we wouldn't do is we wouldn't go and collude only with the slave owners, right?
00:35:45We wouldn't go and just collude with some of the most corrupt and immoral people on the planet, which would
00:35:51be people at the top of—
00:35:52Sorry, why is this funny?
00:35:54I'm not sure why you keep laughing.
00:35:55No, you're totally right.
00:35:57I mean, it's incredible that they would—like, all these stories or these explanations that you're giving seem incredulous because that's
00:36:06what we're supposed to believe.
00:36:08But I think—okay, sorry, continue.
00:36:10Can I say something?
00:36:11Go ahead.
00:36:12Okay.
00:36:13But I think the reality of the situation is, like, way stranger than is even going to be known.
00:36:19Like, this soft disclosure stuff that Trump just did today is going to be, like, a small trickle.
00:36:26It's going to be a trickle forever, basically.
00:36:28Okay, sorry.
00:36:28I mean, just saying this stuff is going to be strange.
00:36:30This is not an argument, right?
00:36:32I'm trying to lay out a case here that I thought is helpful.
00:36:36So, you only get the kind of incredibly advanced technology that would be required to travel between the stars from
00:36:45a free market society, and a free market society would not collude with governments.
00:36:50An anarcho-capitalist society, which, again, is the only society that's ever having a chance to develop these things, they
00:36:56would only—they would never collude with oligarchical hierarchies in the same way that, you know, when the Europeans came across
00:37:07the Aztecs who were cutting the living hearts out of children to sacrifice to their god, they didn't collude with
00:37:15the Aztec leadership, right?
00:37:17In fact, they, together with the surrounding tribes, they destroyed the Aztec leadership, so they would not collude with evil.
00:37:27If they are space aliens, they're here because they have a moral society, a free society, and they're not just
00:37:32going to collude with evildoers at the top levels of government.
00:37:36Now, if they have the kind of technology that allows them to go between the stars, which is functionally impossible,
00:37:44right?
00:37:44By all known laws of physics, it is functionally impossible to go between the stars unless you want to spend
00:37:5210,000 years.
00:37:53Now, you say, well, what about cybersleep or cryosleep or something like that?
00:37:58Okay, well, I mean, what happens when you don't use your muscles for 10,000 years?
00:38:04You just turn into soup, right?
00:38:05So, I mean, although they could do electrical stimulus and blah, blah, blah, and it's like, yeah, well, then you're
00:38:10stimulating the muscles, which means they're subject to time, which means they're going to wither and die as the cells
00:38:15reproduce.
00:38:16So, anyway, I mean, there's a whole bunch of – and who's going to want to go for 10,000
00:38:20years to some other star system?
00:38:22You wouldn't even know if there'd be a world when you came back.
00:38:25I mean, people just in general wouldn't do that as a whole.
00:38:28So, I'm just saying that the odds of there being space aliens that come from other planets and collude with
00:38:33governments is zero.
00:38:35Absolutely zero.
00:38:36Now, the other thing, last thing I'll say is that either they want to be seen or they don't want
00:38:42to be seen, right?
00:38:43Those are really the only two possibilities.
00:38:46Now, if they have such astounding technology, then they would have the technology to not be seen.
00:38:53Like, you wouldn't have the technology to travel, you know, a dozen light years or 50 light years or whatever
00:38:58it is because it's unlikely that intelligent life would arise in the closest star system.
00:39:03It could happen, but it's unlikely.
00:39:05So, they would have the most astounding technology, and it's a little confusing because if they want to be seen,
00:39:13then they would just land in front of TV cameras and interact with everyone and so on, right, which they're
00:39:19not doing.
00:39:19So, you know, the idea is that they don't want to be seen.
00:39:22Well, if they don't want to be seen, then how come, you know, 100,000 people around the world claim
00:39:27to have seen them and almost all of those people are in the United States?
00:39:31By the way, like, why would they only focus on the United States?
00:39:33If you've seen those maps of UFO sightings, it's almost all in the United States.
00:39:40So, if they want to be seen, they're doing a bad job.
00:39:44It would be very easy for them to be seen.
00:39:46And if they don't want to be seen, they're also doing a bad job because people are able to see
00:39:51them.
00:39:51And the last thing that I'll say, because I got kind of into UFOs when I was in the 70s.
00:39:56I know that sounds like, you know, great-grandfather's age, back in the dawn of human existence, you know, when
00:40:02the Stanley Kubrick apes were throwing things around.
00:40:05But sort of back in the day, there was this belief that there were, you know, potentially these space aliens
00:40:10and spaceships and all of that spacecraft floating around.
00:40:13Kind of came out with Close Encounters with a movie from back then.
00:40:19And I remember thinking at the time, man, you know, the only way this question is going to be answered
00:40:23is if everyone somehow ends up with high-definition cameras on them at all times.
00:40:28And lo and behold, you know, for the last 10, 15, you know, depending on how you count it, let's
00:40:34say 15 years, just about everyone on the planet, well, a lot of people on the planet, you know, billions
00:40:40of people on the planet have high-definition cameras in their pockets.
00:40:45And I know that there's some blurry footage and there's some shaky cam stuff here and there, but if they
00:40:53end up being seen even against their will, then the problem is, of course, why aren't 1,000 people all
00:41:02videoing, which they all would?
00:41:04I mean, people video their frickin' food, they would certainly video space aliens rocketing by, then why don't we have
00:41:12an example of, you know, 10, 100, 1,000 cell phone footage, which we could then use to reconstruct in
00:41:21perfect 3D and, you know, AI would not be really an issue with that because there would be so many
00:41:26different angles and you could really check the light reflections and all of that.
00:41:29So why is it that we don't have that kind of stuff?
00:41:32That would be kind of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, even though there are billions of people with high-definition
00:41:38cameras who, you know, can, if you've ever seen a woman whip out a camera for an appropriate selfie, it's
00:41:44like watching Doc Holliday in a fast draw competition in the Wild West, which, you know, they got their selfie
00:41:50up and all that recording goes.
00:41:52So I think it is not true, and, you know, I'm not saying I know for sure, I mean, but
00:41:58to me it's in the kind of, well, yeah, I guess anything's possible, but on the base of things, given
00:42:03that you can't travel between stars, given that they're not going to collude with human governments, given that they didn't
00:42:10arise in our solar system, and all the other issues, I don't think it's true, I'm just making my case.
00:42:17Obviously, you know, everybody has to come to their own decisions, but that would have been my thoughts.
00:42:21Okay, well, I would say, okay, thank you for laying both those things out.
00:42:25Why aren't they coming here, and why are they colluded with the craziest people?
00:42:28But I think in this case, that's a totally, that would be the institutional, like, orthodox take.
00:42:37Like, that's the traditional take.
00:42:40Okay, so don't start off with an insult.
00:42:43Bro, have I insulted you?
00:42:45Oh, sorry, I'm sorry.
00:42:48Institutional, orthodox, normie, NPC, blah, blah, blah, come on, I mean.
00:42:51Yeah, you basically just gave me a new digress-tized episode.
00:42:54No, no, no, no, no, don't start off with an insult.
00:42:57That's not reasonable, I've not insulted anything to do with you.
00:42:59I've been very respectful, haven't I?
00:43:01So why are you calling them a boring, institutional, blah, blah, blah, right?
00:43:04I mean, just deal with the arguments, just deal with the arguments, rather than insulting them,
00:43:10because that's bad faith debating, right?
00:43:12Yep.
00:43:14Sorry.
00:43:17Yeah, I think in this case, so why aren't they coming from other star systems?
00:43:23Well, maybe a little bit of magic is actually the orthodox take.
00:43:29Like, it's the logical thing to assume, because if, okay, let's say we had science for 500 years, look where
00:43:35it's gotten us.
00:43:36Just take us, you know, and move it along 1,000, 3,000 years, and find out where we'll be.
00:43:42That's magic.
00:43:43And that is, like, built into the function of science.
00:43:47Science is a type of religion that we discover to make magic, like, kind of come down to Earth or
00:43:52something.
00:43:52Um, so, uh, we have this magic built in, and it's, you know, Carl Jung says all of reality was
00:44:00once fantasy, which I think is interesting.
00:44:02Um, in this case, and, uh, okay.
00:44:07Okay, so for the next part, you said, why are they colluding with, um, uh, the craziest people, and why
00:44:13would they respect our laws, and why would they, uh, abduct certain people, and then not abduct others, and then,
00:44:20uh, be here, but, like, in a fleeting kind of failed way, like they're hinting at us or something.
00:44:25Um, I think we're probably, uh, if you've ever seen the telepathy tapes, which is a podcast that came out,
00:44:33and Joe Rogan talked about it a lot, Jesse Michaels had the, uh, um, the telepathy tapes producer, um, Kate
00:44:41something, no, Kai Dickens, uh, she's the, she made telepathy tapes, and it's about children who are telepathic, uh, nonverbal
00:44:48autistic children specifically have, have the, have this possibility, they're more likely to have this telepathic thing,
00:44:54but they communicate perfectly, they have a perfect 100% conscious connection with their mother, it's a 10-part series
00:45:00on YouTube, it was the number one podcast in the world, I think, beating Joe Rogan for a couple months,
00:45:05this was, like, groundbreaking, shocking information, um, and then, you know, all the stuff about Stargate programs, like, it's there,
00:45:12so, what I'm saying is, here's the point, the Stargate program, um, you know, remote viewing, um, uh, it, if
00:45:23we are not able to,
00:45:24see them, we're probably not worth interacting, um, because, hang on, hang on, hang on, sorry, I mean, telepathy is,
00:45:33is bullshit, and I'm sorry, I'm just sorry to tell you, and we know telepathy is bullshit, because it is
00:45:39the transfer of information without any intermediate movement of matter or energy, and so, telepathy is bullshit, and the other
00:45:48thing, too, is that, if human beings had the ability to read minds,
00:45:52that would be so positively selected for an evolution, that it would immediately, like, within a generation or two, would
00:45:58have driven out all other forms of communication, because you can imagine an army that can, uh, can, can talk
00:46:03telepathy, uh, telepathically to each other, or hunters that could
00:46:06be telepathic with each other, so, telepathy absolutely violates all the known laws of physics, and we know it's not
00:46:13true, because it would have
00:46:14been the dominant form of human communication
00:46:17well, again, the moment that it evolved
00:46:20yes, and I don't, I'm not insulting you
00:46:22don't take it as an insult, disclaimer, red alert, this is not an insult, but
00:46:26that would be the traditional orthodox
00:46:28take, that's, um,
00:46:30yeah, but you don't, you don't just get to wave off
00:46:32arguments by calling them traditional and orthodox
00:46:34no, no, no, I'm not done, I'm not done, I'm not done
00:46:36okay, so that would be the truth
00:46:37you can't start, again, you're not listening, you can't start with insults, and then go from there, because it's called
00:46:46poisoning the well, right, so it's saying, well, you're wrong, and, and you're closed-minded, and you're traditional, and you're
00:46:54orthodox, and, and it's all just these insults, right, and it tells me that you don't believe your own arguments,
00:46:59because if you believed your own arguments, you wouldn't need to insult me, now, I did say telepathy was bullshit,
00:47:04I didn't say you were an idiot, I was saying telepathy is bullshit, and I gave you sort of
00:47:07what are the reasons for it, and this, you know, from, there was a guy, um, who had a million
00:47:12dollar prize, the amazing Randy had a million dollar prize for decades, nobody was able to claim it, with any
00:47:18kind of telepathy, so it's, it's not true, it's, it's, it's fun, it's a fun idea, it's an interesting and
00:47:24cool idea, and we have very deep instincts for understanding people, you know, if you've ever had bad dreams about
00:47:29someone who turns out to be a bad person, when you didn't think they were a bad person, we have
00:47:32very deep instincts for these kinds of things, but we cannot
00:47:35exchange thoughts without any intermediate movement of matter and energy, that would be instantaneous
00:47:42transfer of consciousness, with no matter and energy transfer, that's not
00:47:47something that, that, that is real, or can happen according to all the known laws of physics, and the last
00:47:53thing I'll say is, we can't just say that in the future,
00:47:56physics will be the opposite of physics, like all physics builds upon
00:48:00direct sense experience, direct sense data, we can't say that
00:48:03in the future, down the road, the exact opposite of physics will be
00:48:07physics, that, that makes no sense, because we also know that
00:48:11physics has to be absolutely stable, and the properties
00:48:16of matter and energy have to be absolutely stable, because if they weren't, life could
00:48:19never have evolved, over the last four billion years, so the
00:48:23absolute stability of matter and energy is the foundation of physics, and you can't
00:48:28just say, well, in the future, we'll be able to violate
00:48:30those at will, that's just not
00:48:32how these things work, sorry, go ahead
00:48:35Yeah, again, sorry, I didn't mean about the
00:48:38orthodoxy, I was just saying that
00:48:39you would say telepathy would be selected
00:48:42for by evolution, where
00:48:44where we don't even know
00:48:45if that's exactly where it came from, or
00:48:47if we were, like, genetically tweaked, but, you know,
00:48:49I'll get, I'll give it to you, 100%,
00:48:52telepathy could be bullshit,
00:48:54except for the fact
00:48:55that, um, uh, they did have that
00:48:58Stargate program, and that certainly was not
00:49:01the, um, whole iceberg, I would say it was
00:49:05maybe the top little portion of the iceberg,
00:49:08maybe the tip of the iceberg, um, because
00:49:12they used it to remote view Russian remote viewers,
00:49:17and they were having, like, this psychic war, apparently,
00:49:21um, I'm sorry, and, and who, is the government
00:49:23telling you this?
00:49:26Um, no, I just
00:49:27picked it up from podcasts, like, you know,
00:49:28No, no, but they have to have gotten their information from somewhere,
00:49:31right? They didn't just make it up, at least I hope
00:49:33not. Yeah. So they got this stuff
00:49:35from the government? It was a government
00:49:37program to do this remote viewing stuff with the Russians,
00:49:39is that right? Yes, yes,
00:49:41the front-facing Stargate
00:49:43one, yeah, that's a public note. Okay, so
00:49:45the government has told
00:49:46people that they have an army of
00:49:49psychic warriors battling the Russians.
00:49:51Uh, not, not the
00:49:53government saying psychic warriors,
00:49:55the psychic warriors part, I picked that up from
00:49:57podcasts, but the,
00:49:59No, no, but the podcasts get their information
00:50:01from somewhere, right? So there was a
00:50:03secret government program, according to the government,
00:50:05there was a secret government program
00:50:06of psychic warriors battling the Russians.
00:50:09Yeah.
00:50:10Probably from whistleblowers, um,
00:50:13from the government, but not officially. What the government
00:50:15officially said is that the
00:50:16Stargate program was a real
00:50:18thing, and they taught their CIA
00:50:20officers how to prevent alien
00:50:22abduction. It's called halotropic breathing. It's like a
00:50:24thing you do that will prevent, like,
00:50:27aliens coming to, also, you
00:50:28can say, you can say, Jesus, protect
00:50:30me, and that's the alien song.
00:50:32You know that people in power and
00:50:34authority are pathological liars.
00:50:37Mm-hmm.
00:50:38Right? You've got the witch
00:50:39doctor who says, oh, give me
00:50:4110,000 bucks a month, and I'll do
00:50:42a rain dance for you, and make sure you get good
00:50:45rain for your crops. We
00:50:47have, uh, people who are religious
00:50:48authorities who claim
00:50:50that there are all of these kinds of
00:50:52miracles, and
00:50:53so on, and, you know,
00:50:55every leader tells their people,
00:50:56uh, God is on our side, you're the
00:50:58best, everyone else is bad. I mean,
00:51:00the people in power are
00:51:01pathological liars. And we know,
00:51:03of course, that the CIA was
00:51:05on a staggered basis releasing
00:51:07information about the JFK
00:51:09assassination in order
00:51:10to waste people's time, and to
00:51:12get all of these people stampeding
00:51:14into this, uh, field
00:51:16where nothing was really
00:51:18going to change, and
00:51:19and they manipulate the public
00:51:20by releasing, uh, information
00:51:23in a strategic way
00:51:24to waste people's time, and to
00:51:26take people's energy away from,
00:51:28you know, actual change in the
00:51:29world, to keep running like
00:51:30off a cliff, uh, in pursuit of
00:51:32things that can never be proven.
00:51:33So, uh, governments are very good
00:51:35at lying, and manipulating, and
00:51:37controlling people. They've been
00:51:39doing it for, you know, authority
00:51:40has been doing it for hundreds
00:51:41of thousands of years, and
00:51:43they're very well-tuned into
00:51:44this kind of stuff. So, any
00:51:46information that comes from the
00:51:47government that goes counter to
00:51:48reason and evidence, I'm not
00:51:50sure why you would believe it,
00:51:51but I certainly wouldn't.
00:51:54Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:56Didn't answer how the rest of
00:51:57your life is going. Love and
00:51:58work.
00:52:00Right. Right.
00:52:01Because I want to make a case
00:52:02after this, but I want to get
00:52:05some information first.
00:52:07Yes. My life is hard, and
00:52:09that's why I like aliens. It's
00:52:10my escape. Are you happy? Is
00:52:11that what you came for?
00:52:16So, you don't want to answer
00:52:17that, right?
00:52:18Oh, yeah, sure. Uh, yeah, you
00:52:21know, it's tough. I live in, um,
00:52:23well, let's say, someplace that
00:52:25communism is about to start,
00:52:27okay? And it's bad here.
00:52:29Well, it's tough to narrow that
00:52:30down.
00:52:31Yeah, exactly. What's going on?
00:52:34Where do I even go? Like, where
00:52:35can I even escape to? I don't
00:52:36know. But, yeah, uh, the job
00:52:37situation is, like, tough.
00:52:39Food is extremely expensive.
00:52:42Everyone has, like, um, you
00:52:44know, white collar.
00:52:44I don't know where they, I
00:52:45don't know what the laughter is
00:52:46coming from. I mean, you're
00:52:47talking about some pretty
00:52:49negative situations, right?
00:52:51I guess so. The only time I've
00:52:52ever heard negative information
00:52:54that has come packaged to me is,
00:52:56like, through, like, humorous
00:52:58sitcoms. Maybe it's, like, maybe
00:52:59I'm damaged somewhere. I'm
00:53:01sorry. I'll knock that off.
00:53:02Um, okay.
00:53:05Uh, what's your dating history
00:53:08like?
00:53:10Um, sparse.
00:53:12When did you last have a
00:53:13girlfriend?
00:53:14Uh, last summer.
00:53:16For how long?
00:53:18Like, four or five months.
00:53:20The whole summer.
00:53:21All right. And how many
00:53:23girlfriends have you had?
00:53:24Uh, like, 12 or upwards of
00:53:3012, yeah.
00:53:31And what's the longest
00:53:32relationship?
00:53:34Two years.
00:53:35Or a year and a half.
00:53:37Okay.
00:53:37And are you currently
00:53:39employed?
00:53:40Yes. I'm a concrete
00:53:42restoration man.
00:53:45Okay. And do you have job,
00:53:49job and career prospects that
00:53:51could lead you towards
00:53:52supporting a family?
00:53:53No. No.
00:53:55And do you want to get
00:53:56married and have kids?
00:53:58Uh, not particularly.
00:54:00Why do you think?
00:54:01That's not the default
00:54:02setting for humanity, right?
00:54:04Why do you think you don't?
00:54:05Um, probably some, like,
00:54:10generational-long
00:54:13anti-natalism campaign
00:54:15that's been thrown upon me.
00:54:17Um, well, I mean, if you
00:54:20can, if you can, if you can
00:54:22cut through all of the
00:54:23propaganda about UFOs to get
00:54:25to the truth, then you can
00:54:26certainly cut through the
00:54:27anti-natalist stuff, right?
00:54:29Yeah.
00:54:31Yeah.
00:54:32I mean, you can't, you can't
00:54:33believe in space aliens, but
00:54:34not believe in the future of
00:54:36human reproduction for
00:54:37yourself, right?
00:54:38Yeah.
00:54:39Yeah.
00:54:39It, well, it is interesting
00:54:42because the aliens that we do
00:54:45see, Michael Masters says
00:54:47that, um, and this is why the
00:54:48alien thing is so interesting
00:54:49to me because, you know, it's
00:54:51just like how you said at the
00:54:52beginning, I guess it does kind
00:54:53of reflect, you know, what I'm
00:54:55interested in.
00:54:56Um, but the, the, the aliens do
00:54:59all seem to be, you know, lacking
00:55:01pigmentation.
00:55:02They have all the exaggerated
00:55:03features that, um, that humans
00:55:05have to apes, like the
00:55:07domestication process still
00:55:09continues from like, uh, um,
00:55:12uh, from where we are.
00:55:14So our heads continue to get
00:55:15bigger, arms, longer, fingers
00:55:16longer, skinnier and weaker.
00:55:19And they, there's all these
00:55:20stories about, um, the deals
00:55:23made with that, uh, president
00:55:25Eisenhower.
00:55:26Um, the, are you going to do
00:55:29that thing again where you tell
00:55:30me what, ask me what the
00:55:31question was again?
00:55:32Am I doing that thing again?
00:55:34Well, what was my question?
00:55:36Uh, fuck, I forget.
00:55:39Do you spend a lot of time on
00:55:41social media?
00:55:42Uh, no, uh, Twitter, I guess
00:55:45a little bit.
00:55:45Well, that's social media.
00:55:48Yeah.
00:55:48Cause I mean, this is sort of a,
00:55:50I hate to be annoying, older
00:55:51guy, this kind of a young person
00:55:52thing where y'all tend to receive
00:55:55information or a conversation as
00:55:58a chance to go off on tangents
00:55:59rather than actually have a
00:56:00conversation and answer
00:56:01questions.
00:56:02But I don't want to nag you about
00:56:03that.
00:56:04Okay.
00:56:04Let me, let me ask you this as a
00:56:05final question and listen, I
00:56:06really appreciate the
00:56:07conversation.
00:56:07It's, it's, it's really
00:56:08interesting to, to look into
00:56:09this world and I appreciate you
00:56:10bringing it to my attention and
00:56:12the attention of the listeners.
00:56:14Now, if someone were to come up
00:56:15to me and say, Steph, what are
00:56:17the downsides to philosophy?
00:56:20And it's funny, you don't know
00:56:21my history with Joe Rogan.
00:56:22I was on his show three times
00:56:24and the third time he totally
00:56:26cucked out, bitched out and
00:56:27backstabbed me with an ambush.
00:56:29So, you know, I'm not a, I'm not
00:56:30a fan.
00:56:31Yeah.
00:56:31He was a total bitch about
00:56:32things.
00:56:33But anyway, that's fine.
00:56:34It's a, you wouldn't know that
00:56:35there's no reason.
00:56:35And it's long ago now, it
00:56:37doesn't matter now.
00:56:40But if somebody were to say to
00:56:41me, what are the downsides of
00:56:43philosophy?
00:56:44I would, I won't do this whole
00:56:46speech now because, you know,
00:56:47you want to make it into your
00:56:48forties without still listening to
00:56:49me, but at least in one, in one
00:56:52go.
00:56:53But I would say, you know, that
00:56:54the downsides of philosophy is you
00:56:57spread virtue, you spread truth, you
00:56:59spread reason, you spread evidence, and
00:57:01you come full into collision with
00:57:03people who make their money from
00:57:04lying and propaganda, and they hate
00:57:07your guts and will try to destroy
00:57:08you.
00:57:09And there's been a lot of that over
00:57:10the course of sort of the 40 plus
00:57:12years I've been involved in
00:57:13philosophy.
00:57:14So I would say, you know, there's
00:57:16some upsides.
00:57:17I mean, great upsides.
00:57:18I have a wonderful marriage.
00:57:19I have a great relationship with
00:57:21family and friends, and I certainly
00:57:23have no doubt about the meaning and
00:57:25value of what it is that I'm doing
00:57:26in the world.
00:57:26So there's lots of really good, juicy,
00:57:28positive plus, plus, plus, but
00:57:31there's some downsides as well.
00:57:34Now, you find UFOs fun and
00:57:37interesting, fascinating, I would say,
00:57:38a thousand hours plus and all of
00:57:40that.
00:57:41Now, what are the downsides of
00:57:44believing in this?
00:57:45What are the negatives?
00:57:49Oh, well, I can tell you something.
00:57:52People just don't want to talk to you
00:57:54anymore.
00:57:56Yeah, because it's so important to
00:57:58you, and it's not important to them
00:57:59at all.
00:58:00Like, they don't even see why it
00:58:01would be interesting to you.
00:58:02And I'm like, it's kind of like
00:58:04the, it's one of the questions.
00:58:06Like, it's got to be up there with
00:58:07the top two or three of the top
00:58:09ultimate questions, you know?
00:58:12You mean, is there life in the
00:58:13universe other than human?
00:58:15Right.
00:58:16And what happens if you don't?
00:58:17Well, there absolutely is.
00:58:20Listen, space aliens absolutely
00:58:22exist.
00:58:23100 billion stars in 100 billion
00:58:25galaxies, there's no way we're the
00:58:27only life.
00:58:28There's absolutely no chance we are
00:58:31the only life whatsoever.
00:58:33But to me, it's kind of like in the
00:58:35dark ages, you know, when they only
00:58:37had little boats and all of that.
00:58:38And it's like, could there be other
00:58:40continents with other life?
00:58:42Well, sure.
00:58:42But we can't get there.
00:58:44Because we got little rowboats and
00:58:46shit, right?
00:58:46We can't row across the Atlantic or
00:58:48the Pacific.
00:58:48Like, we can't get there until the
00:58:5016th century vessels, the Santa
00:58:53Maria and so on.
00:58:54Until the bigger vessels came along,
00:58:55there was just, and also you
00:58:56needed to, actually needed to
00:58:58invent the math that allowed people
00:58:59to have insurance, because you had
00:59:01to have insurance for these
00:59:01vessels.
00:59:02So, or, you know, I don't know
00:59:04exactly when you would go back.
00:59:06You could go back to, like, I don't
00:59:07know, prehistoric times.
00:59:10You could go back to Neolithic times,
00:59:11or, you know, you could be some
00:59:14Neanderthal or whatever, right?
00:59:17And are there other continents with
00:59:19other life forms?
00:59:20Well, yeah, but we can't get there.
00:59:21We can theorize, but we can't get
00:59:22there.
00:59:23And the same is true with other
00:59:25star systems.
00:59:26We can theorize.
00:59:27We know for sure.
00:59:28I mean, just mathematically, there's
00:59:30zero chance.
00:59:31We can see other MCAS-class planets
00:59:33through our telescopes.
00:59:35We know that there are other planets
00:59:36out there in the solar system, out
00:59:38there in the universe, that are in
00:59:39the Goldilocks zone.
00:59:40And maybe they're a little bigger
00:59:41than Earth and, you know, whatever
00:59:43it is, right?
00:59:43But we know that there are planets
00:59:45big enough to hang on to an
00:59:46atmosphere, that they're in the
00:59:47Goldilocks zone.
00:59:48We can detect traces, I think, of
00:59:50ammonia and water.
00:59:51I don't think that they've got quite
00:59:52the carbon signatures that they
00:59:54would like, obviously, like to find
00:59:55for life.
00:59:56But there's no question whatsoever
01:00:00that even if it was one in a
01:00:03million, there are billions of other
01:00:06life forms out there in the
01:00:07universe.
01:00:08So you and I, I'm sure, are on the
01:00:10same page as far as that goes.
01:00:12Have they come here and kind of
01:00:14half-appeared and not appeared and
01:00:16only appeared to governments and
01:00:17only worked with governments and
01:00:18only colluded with governments, but
01:00:20there's no evidence, even though
01:00:21people have all of these cell phone
01:00:23videos and even though it's
01:00:25physically impossible to get here?
01:00:27Well, that I don't believe.
01:00:28I don't accept.
01:00:29So the downside, people don't want
01:00:31to talk to you.
01:00:31What else?
01:00:33Um, it takes, uh, it distracts you
01:00:36from your, uh, earthly life, like
01:00:40with the things that you could be
01:00:41doing to better yourself, like
01:00:43getting fits or, uh, trying to
01:00:46become more useful to people to, in
01:00:48order to make more money or, um,
01:00:54And the answer is beyond your
01:00:56capacity to penetrate.
01:00:57You can't figure out the truth.
01:01:00Yeah.
01:01:00Yeah.
01:01:01And that's why, that's why I asked
01:01:02earlier, and I say this with great
01:01:04sympathy and, and no disrespect at
01:01:05all, but yeah, that's why I asked
01:01:08earlier, what would be a standard of
01:01:09disprove?
01:01:09You cannot, you cannot prove or
01:01:13disprove this.
01:01:13You have to rely on what other
01:01:16people say.
01:01:17And I personally, I really, really
01:01:20like to stay away from things I
01:01:21have to believe or not believe
01:01:23based upon what other people say.
01:01:25Other people are crazy.
01:01:27Other people hallucinate.
01:01:28Other people have psychotic
01:01:29episodes.
01:01:30Other people have hallucinations.
01:01:31Other people have epileptic seizures
01:01:33that give them visions.
01:01:34Other people are professional liars
01:01:36who want to sell books or who want
01:01:38to sell magazines or who want to
01:01:40sell, I actually have like, I'm one
01:01:42of my, on my middle study upstairs, I
01:01:46have a big monitor and on the base
01:01:48of it is a UFO magazine underneath
01:01:49that someone gave me many years ago
01:01:51at, at, at some libertarian
01:01:52conference.
01:01:53And I, at least I can use it to make
01:01:54sure that my monitor doesn't scratch
01:01:57my desk or whatever, right?
01:01:58So it has some value, but I don't
01:02:01want to rely on people because people
01:02:04generally lie, uh, as a whole.
01:02:07And when there's self-motivation and
01:02:09money and prestige and status, and
01:02:11when people have set up their whole
01:02:12career to talk about this kind of
01:02:14stuff and they don't get hit with the
01:02:16hard questions and they have magic
01:02:17as their answer, it's not worth it to
01:02:20me.
01:02:21And, and my concern is that this is a
01:02:24form of mysticism.
01:02:25It's mysticism with a scientific
01:02:27veneer, but it is a form of mysticism
01:02:29that space aliens are just another kind
01:02:31of angels and devils.
01:02:33And the problem with mysticism is it
01:02:35isolates you.
01:02:36It means you're alone with your ideas
01:02:38or you can only be around other people
01:02:40who already agree with you, which is
01:02:42also kind of isolating because we need
01:02:43the resistance.
01:02:45We need chafing against our ideas and
01:02:46arguments in order to get closer to the
01:02:49truth, which is a very hard thing for the
01:02:50human mind to get a hold of.
01:02:51We were born out of fantasy.
01:02:53We were born out of delusion.
01:02:54We were born out of madness, really, and
01:02:57fighting our way to sanity, reason, evidence,
01:03:01which is we can only meet in reality.
01:03:03We can only connect in what is true and what
01:03:06is real, and a fantasy and mysticism and
01:03:09the unproven and the speculative that is
01:03:11accepted as true isolates you because you
01:03:13can only really connect with people who
01:03:15already agree with you, and that's not
01:03:18particularly healthy.
01:03:20Plus, if you ever do want to get married
01:03:22and have kids, and I hope you do because
01:03:24obviously you're a very thoughtful and
01:03:25intelligent young man, UFO land is a total
01:03:30sausage fest.
01:03:31Mind how many chips are around?
01:03:34Like, seriously, it's like some sterility
01:03:37mechanism, you know?
01:03:39You might as well join the logging union.
01:03:43Look for babes.
01:03:44All right, listen, I appreciate the call.
01:03:45I've got a lot of, I got a bunch of
01:03:46callers.
01:03:47I really do appreciate the call.
01:03:49And let us move on to, let's go to
01:03:54somebody new.
01:03:55Lorraine.
01:03:58Lorraine, if you want to tell, thank you
01:04:00for your patience.
01:04:00If you want to unmute, I'm all ears.
01:04:03I agree with you.
01:04:04I think we're all born after this, like,
01:04:08cauldron of fire.
01:04:12We are just on this earth.
01:04:14I'm a mother of three, by the way.
01:04:17And with this, it's...
01:04:23All right.
01:04:24Are we still with us?
01:04:24I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Steph, I've touched the phone with my ear.
01:04:30But I'm a mum of three, three boys.
01:04:34And I believe that that was my job on earth, to bring children for...
01:04:42That's my job.
01:04:44I'm sorry.
01:04:45I'm a little confused.
01:04:46Do you have...
01:04:47Your job is to bring children?
01:04:48Did I get that?
01:04:49Yeah, I'm a female.
01:04:52Yes, I got that.
01:04:53I brought three boys.
01:04:54Yes.
01:04:54I brought three boys into this ear.
01:04:57And that was my job.
01:04:59Even if I brought a female as well, that's my job.
01:05:04Plus, I'm a being as well.
01:05:09Okay, sorry.
01:05:10Do you have a question?
01:05:11Do you have a question or a comment?
01:05:12Because I'm not sure how to participate in this conversation as yet.
01:05:15Okay, Hannah, let me finish talking.
01:05:17I'm not sure how to participate in this conversation as yet.
01:05:20So if you could give me a question or a comment, I could participate in that.
01:05:23I would appreciate that.
01:05:24Yeah, my question is, what do you think of the Trump disclosure about UFO, the UFO nonsense?
01:05:36That's my thing, nonsense.
01:05:38Well, I don't know.
01:05:40I mean, I think that governments have taken a lot of credibility blows lately.
01:05:48And looking at the...
01:05:50We're all in the shadow of the Epstein files.
01:05:53And I think it's really hard to overestimate just what an impact that has had, particularly on the young.
01:05:59When I was younger, I thought government was, you know, bad or incompetent or, you know, they were kind of
01:06:04power hungry.
01:06:06Or maybe at the most I thought that, you know, that the people who have a lot of political power,
01:06:10maybe they're kind of evil, you know, like they go into debt, they lie to people, they propagandize, they start
01:06:16wars and lie.
01:06:17And it's like, okay, but to me, that's just sort of ordinary run-of-the-mill human evil writ large.
01:06:23You know, it's like evil plus, evil plus bad things.
01:06:28But with the Epstein stuff, there is a satanic undercurrent of predation and destruction, not for the sake of account.
01:06:38Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on.
01:06:41You've got to let me finish my thoughts.
01:06:42I'm sorry, guys.
01:06:43You asked me a question.
01:06:44Let me finish my thoughts.
01:06:45I'm sorry.
01:06:45Just don't blurt out.
01:06:47Don't blurt out.
01:06:49Yeah, it wasn't on Epstein.
01:06:53So, in the past, I thought, and I think a lot of people thought, because I've talked to a lot
01:06:57of people about politics over the years.
01:06:59In the past, I thought that people wanted power because they wanted money, they wanted security, they wanted to dominate
01:07:06people, and so on.
01:07:08But I think with the Epstein stuff, which I've been tracking for, I mean, 10 years plus now, I've done
01:07:15interviews with people in the past, like 2015, 2016, about this kind of stuff.
01:07:19So, with the Epstein files coming out, I think what people are understanding is that people, a lot of people
01:07:27want power for the sake of destroying souls, for the sake of assaulting innocent children in the worst conceivable ways,
01:07:40and ways which the normal human mind can't even comprehend, just how evil it all is.
01:07:45So, it's not just for money, and it's not just for power, and it's not just for dominance, and it's
01:07:50not just for control.
01:07:51These things would be in the normal realm of human desires, but gone really bad.
01:07:58Like, all human beings want to have a sense of power and control and authority and so on, and maybe
01:08:02even dominance or whatever.
01:08:03If you're in a sport, you want to win, you want to dominate the other player and so on.
01:08:07So, I always thought that, hang on, I always thought that political power was normal human desires rendered pathological by
01:08:17the addition of coercion of government power and lack of responsibility and lack of limits, right?
01:08:25You can type whatever you want into your own bank account, that kind of stuff.
01:08:27So, I thought it was greed.
01:08:30I mean, I don't know why you can't listen.
01:08:31Let me finish.
01:08:32I thought it was...
01:08:33No, I don't.
01:08:33I thought it was...
01:08:34I'll mute you.
01:08:35I'll just...
01:08:36I don't know.
01:08:36I don't know.
01:08:37I don't know.
01:08:38How do we do this?
01:08:38How do we do this?
01:08:39How do we do this?
01:08:40When I ask you to let me finish...
01:08:41When I ask you to let me finish my thoughts...
01:08:43When I ask you to let me finish my thoughts...
01:08:45And you don't...
01:08:46I never asked about Epstein.
01:08:48I don't even...
01:08:49I don't know.
01:08:49It's bizarre to me.
01:08:51Anyway, I will have to...
01:08:52I don't get it.
01:08:53I will have to remove her.
01:08:54Yeah, I don't know why it is that...
01:08:56Again, this is sort of back to how people have a conversation.
01:08:59She asked me a question.
01:09:00I'm trying to provide an answer.
01:09:01She keeps barking in my ear.
01:09:02So, sorry.
01:09:03Just don't do that.
01:09:04I mean, just as a whole.
01:09:05Unless I'm getting something egregiously wrong...
01:09:07Then, of course, you're welcome to interrupt me and set me straight.
01:09:10If I say two and two make five...
01:09:11Or if I misrepresent your position, absolutely interrupt me.
01:09:13I don't want to get things wrong.
01:09:15So, to finish my point...
01:09:18I think a lot of people, myself included...
01:09:20Thought that the corruption of power was taking...
01:09:24In a sense, relatively normal and healthy human desires...
01:09:27And then rendering them pathological or cancerous...
01:09:31Through the addition of near-infinite political power.
01:09:33And that is not the way that it is.
01:09:39And the Epstein Files, I think, has relieved that...
01:09:42Sorry, has revealed that to people as a whole.
01:09:45The Epstein Files have revealed that there's a class of predatory elites...
01:09:49That have power to...
01:09:53In order to destroy human beings.
01:09:56And not just through war, which is awful...
01:10:00But a different category from this sort of child assault of sexuality...
01:10:05Or whatever you want to call it.
01:10:07That there is a pimping over class.
01:10:11That there are...
01:10:12You know, what really could only be described as...
01:10:15As pathologically satanic evildoers.
01:10:18And that the purpose of political power...
01:10:20Is to destroy the souls of children.
01:10:24Not just to have power and security.
01:10:26And all of that sort of stuff.
01:10:28And so, because governments have taken a lot of hits lately...
01:10:33They are looking to put out a lot of distractions.
01:10:35And I think a lot of it has to do with that.
01:10:38If you wanted to give me your thoughts, I'd be happy to hear.
01:10:42Oh, hi, Stefan.
01:10:43Well, one area where I do disagree with you on...
01:10:46Would be telepathy.
01:10:47I would say it's definitely real.
01:10:49And there is an intermediary between people...
01:10:52Through telepathic abilities.
01:10:55And it is documented on a quantum level.
01:10:58They've done studies where they've taken a certain rodent...
01:11:02They've killed one of them...
01:11:04While the other one was in a submarine many miles away.
01:11:07And they detected a difference in heartbeat when that happened.
01:11:10And besides that study...
01:11:13The intermediary through which said information travels through is called God.
01:11:19And that's essentially the binding of all of our entire existence.
01:11:25Okay, so...
01:11:26People ask questions of God.
01:11:29God gets the answer and then gives them back to people.
01:11:33People are entirely made out of God.
01:11:37I mean, that's a proposition that is very interesting because I think that people are made out of human cells.
01:11:44Are you saying that human cells are...
01:11:45Well, I mean, on the lowest level, everything is made out of God.
01:11:48Yeah, I don't know what that means, philosophically speaking.
01:11:51That's just a made out...
01:11:53Maybe you could say anything about anything, right?
01:11:55So, what is it that you're trying to say from a philosophical standpoint, from an empirical standpoint?
01:12:00All right, so we live inside this being known as the Demiurge that imprisons all of humanity.
01:12:07So, the Demiurge, also known as the self-generated, time travels to create itself.
01:12:14So, it's also known as the self-willed.
01:12:17Okay, you're just trawling me at this point.
01:12:19No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:12:20Dude, dude, dude.
01:12:23All right?
01:12:24I mean, it's good trawling, don't get me wrong.
01:12:26I will admit that.
01:12:27Listen, I don't think we live inside the Demiurge.
01:12:30I think we live inside the Triple Urge.
01:12:32Because Demiurge is only two.
01:12:34Ah, really.
01:12:35Why not go for Nine Urge or Infinity Urge?
01:12:38That's much more urge.
01:12:39Because then we'd be falling into different universes and existence, and then we wouldn't coherently exist.
01:12:44Yeah, yeah, no, that's definitely bizarre.
01:12:49No, I appreciate that.
01:12:52Yeah, I know.
01:12:53Thanks, James.
01:12:53I recognize his voice from before.
01:12:56I think that's great.
01:12:58All right.
01:12:59I think Noah Hyde wants to come back.
01:13:01If you want to unmute yourself, give it another try.
01:13:05Come on, bring some reason.
01:13:07And for the people who wanted to know, listen, philosophy, let's say that you really disagree with the space alien
01:13:12caller, and you think that there's no space aliens, it's all crazy.
01:13:16Well, I mean, if you are someone like me who likes to reason with people and so on, then there's
01:13:24very few people that I won't reason with.
01:13:26But, you know, let's say, I'm not saying this is true, but let's say, well, he's just crazy, you can't
01:13:30reason with him.
01:13:31But that's like being a doctor and saying, well, this person is too unwell, I can't possibly treat them.
01:13:35It's like, well, it's just a different kind of doctoring, isn't it?
01:13:38And we have a good friend, Richard, I think is back.
01:13:41Are you going to bring me some sweet, sweet reason, or are we going to go in hot pursuit of
01:13:45telekinesis?
01:13:47Hey, Stefan.
01:13:49Hello.
01:13:50How are you doing tonight?
01:13:52I'm well, thanks.
01:13:52How are you doing?
01:13:53Yeah, I'm great, thanks.
01:13:54Yeah, thanks for asking.
01:13:56Yeah, for sure.
01:13:58Actually, I just want to make a comment on the podcast I listened to today, 41 and All Alone.
01:14:08Sorry, what was it?
01:14:0841 and what?
01:14:1041 and All Alone.
01:14:12Oh, yes, the interview, the call-in show.
01:14:14Yeah, sorry, guys.
01:14:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14:16And I just want to say, like, to the guy who called in, you know, a great shout-out to
01:14:23you for taking the courage to call in when you hit rock bottom.
01:14:29And I think, I just want to say to him, you know, you're not all alone, okay?
01:14:35You know, you actually have other people out there in the world who do care.
01:14:41Yeah, and you, you know, you, I, he uttered this kind of recognition late in the podcast in the last
01:14:49few minutes when he kind of said to you, like, oh, now, like, it's the first time I've felt like
01:14:57someone else cared for me.
01:14:59And, yeah, and I think, you know what, like, yeah, there are people out there on the planet that do
01:15:05care.
01:15:06I know there may be few and far between, but don't, don't give up, okay?
01:15:11This is a, this is a call-out to that guy.
01:15:13And, you know, don't, don't give up, okay?
01:15:17Because there are people out there who care, and don't give up.
01:15:23Go forward, you know, take a good look in the mirror.
01:15:27And take a look at yourself, and then say, look, you know what, you know, you can care for yourself.
01:15:33You don't have to rely on other people to care.
01:15:35That's the starting point.
01:15:37Start with the caring for yourself, and then you will reach other people who can care for you too.
01:15:42And then you, and more importantly, you will find people that you can care for in a real way, okay?
01:15:49So that my message, my message for him was just like, please, please do not give up.
01:15:56And we've all hit rock bottom, right?
01:15:59You know, you, you, you, you, you've spoken about you hitting, hitting rock bottom.
01:16:03I've hit rock bottom as well.
01:16:05And that's not the end.
01:16:07You know, we can, we can emerge out of that and find a better life.
01:16:13And, you know, please, please, please don't give up.
01:16:17Because there is better stuff out there for you, and you can find better people out there, and then you
01:16:24can have a better life.
01:16:27I think that's very nobly and beautifully put, and thank you for that message.
01:16:32You know, there's some cliches that have so much truth in them that they're worth meditating on.
01:16:36And then there's an old cliche, which is, if you want to have a friend, be a friend.
01:16:42Yeah.
01:16:42Those people that are out there in the world looking for things that can feed them, things that can make
01:16:48them feel better.
01:16:49Oh, I'm lonely, so I want someone to care for me.
01:16:52Oh, I'm sad, I want someone to cheer me up.
01:16:55And that's fine.
01:16:56That's fine.
01:16:57But what about the reciprocal responsibilities?
01:17:00There are sad people around you, maybe you can cheer them up.
01:17:03There are lonely people around you, maybe you can make them feel less lonely.
01:17:08So, if you go through life as a whole wanting to receive, then you end up receiving less and less
01:17:16and less,
01:17:16because that tends to be the personality of somebody who turns out to be a bit of a taker.
01:17:20Like, I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need.
01:17:23And I'm sure we've all been around unstable people who are kind of bottomless holes that can't be filled,
01:17:30like you're just constantly propping them up.
01:17:31This is a bit more true, I think, from men to women, that the woman is, you know, maybe highly
01:17:36anxious or depressed or whatever.
01:17:38And you, you can spend your whole life trying to prop someone up.
01:17:40And it's just like, if you've ever had a tent that keeps falling down in the middle of a windstorm,
01:17:44it's sort of that your whole life is never actually using the tent, just trying to get it to stay
01:17:48up.
01:17:48And it's the same thing with relationships sometimes.
01:17:51Sometimes, but so, so give and look for reciprocity.
01:17:55Some of, sometimes the best way to feed your emptiness is to fill up others.
01:17:59But at the same time, it's an Aristotelian mean.
01:18:02You don't want to be exploited by those others.
01:18:06So, it is very easy to go through life wanting other people to fix your problems.
01:18:11I would love it if the world had been more sane and rational when I came along.
01:18:17And I can wait for other people to do it, or I can do my very best to bring more
01:18:23reason and evidence to the world and hopefully leave it better thereby.
01:18:28And again, with this amazing technology that we have, which I literally drop my jaw in in gratitude and wonder
01:18:34every single day.
01:18:35I'm like, I can't believe that I get to carve my thoughts into the fabric of the universe from here
01:18:39to eternity with no gatekeepers.
01:18:41This is the most astounding development in the history of thought that has ever occurred.
01:18:46And I, to me, I talked about this like over 20 years ago in a show about the Gutenberg Press,
01:18:51that the internet was the new Gutenberg Press.
01:18:53Yeah.
01:18:53But much more instantaneous and much more widespread.
01:18:57And now with AI, you can get on-the-fly translations of podcasts into any language that you want sometimes.
01:19:05And you can, you know, I've got AIs that I've developed for donors and others.
01:19:10Peacefulparenting.com is one that's available for free where you can ask questions of peaceful parenting in any one of
01:19:1770 languages.
01:19:19Yeah.
01:19:19It's absolutely astounding, which means that the excuse, the excuses that people have for not being reasonable or rational have
01:19:27extraordinarily diminished.
01:19:28Right?
01:19:28Yeah, yeah.
01:19:29100%.
01:19:29Yeah.
01:19:30So, you know, we have this incredible technology.
01:19:32We have the capacity to set meetups up.
01:19:37Like, if you're interested in a topic, just be a leader.
01:19:39Set a meetup up.
01:19:41There's meetup.com.
01:19:42There's tons of other places.
01:19:43We used to use these for free domain meetups before things got too dangerous politically.
01:19:49But get things going, you know.
01:19:51Get communities going.
01:19:53Get to know your neighbors.
01:19:55Talk to people.
01:19:56Be a social glue that brings people together.
01:19:59Rather, don't wait for solutions to come to you.
01:20:03That is a depressed state that often arises out of neglected and abused child your life better.
01:20:09Nobody really cares about you just for you.
01:20:12That was your parents' job when you were a baby and a toddler.
01:20:14It is nobody's job when you're an adult.
01:20:17Go out and bring, you know, it's another cliche that's really be the change you want to see in the
01:20:21world.
01:20:22I want the world to be more rational.
01:20:23I will bring that to the world and try to build communities.
01:20:28Try to bring what you find lacking in your life to others, and you can have some beautiful stuff.
01:20:35And you also will have some negative stuff.
01:20:38Yeah.
01:20:38If you're out there providing resources, some people will try to exploit you.
01:20:41That's why I say don't go out into the world and try and make it better without a healthy access
01:20:47to your anger
01:20:47and the ability to express it because you're going to need that to protect yourself from exploiters.
01:20:51But don't be an exploiter either.
01:20:53Yeah, yeah.
01:20:53Nobody, you know, it's a funny thing, you know.
01:20:57When you just see people around, you know, you're on the subway or the bus or whatever,
01:21:02and you just see people, you know, they've got this moat around them.
01:21:05Some people, there's loneliness.
01:21:06You know that they've, especially when they're older, they're just kind of isolated.
01:21:09They've got nothing going on.
01:21:10And I had that sense when my daughter and my wife were away for a while, and I was alone
01:21:19in the place.
01:21:21And, of course, I know that there are people who care about me in the world, obviously, right?
01:21:25But I could really get that sense, man, you can just disappear from the world,
01:21:29like especially these days where you don't even have to go out to get food anymore.
01:21:33Like you could just disappear up your own ass in isolation and really wink out of existence and all of
01:21:39that.
01:21:39But we're designed to be social animals, so try and fight that urge.
01:21:42And, you know, that old saying that one of the best ways to cure depression is to force yourself to
01:21:47go out of the house
01:21:47at every conceivable opportunity and talk to people and, you know, go and try and start communities.
01:21:53If you care about paintings, then go start a watercolor painting community.
01:21:57If you care about books, go get a book club going.
01:22:00If you care about train spotting, don't go do it alone.
01:22:03Find something you're train spotting with and just try and get that kind of connection.
01:22:06And it's really hard to have a bad life when you're surrounded by good people, but it takes effort.
01:22:12And it also takes you and me and others being good people to create all of that.
01:22:17So I think it's a great message to remind people of.
01:22:20Yeah, yeah, 100%.
01:22:21And, you know, the point you made during that podcast was like, you know, we are social beings, social creatures,
01:22:28right?
01:22:28And that's a beauty.
01:22:30Like, I see that as a beautiful thing.
01:22:34And now with all the, like you just said, you know, this interconnectedness, you know, there's so much more opportunity
01:22:42for us to seek out other like-minded people.
01:22:45You know, even if we're not in the same exact location or proximity, yeah, we can nevertheless.
01:22:51You know, I'm talking to you right now, and you've made such a profound difference in my life.
01:22:56And I'm only a recent, you know, like a recent listener over the last six, seven months.
01:23:01But, you know, the conversations we've had and the help that you provided by listening and enabling me to reach
01:23:09out, and it's been profound.
01:23:11And I just want to say out to everybody out there, like, reach out and don't give up.
01:23:17And there are other like-minded people out there, and it's easy now.
01:23:22It's not like back in the day when, you know, you had pen pals or, you know, this kind of
01:23:28stuff.
01:23:28Like, no, it's right out there.
01:23:32And please, for anyone out there who's feeling this, you know, isolation or they're lost in aloneness, no, that's not
01:23:40the case.
01:23:40There are other people out there who can care for you, you can care for, and you can find like
01:23:45-mindedness, and, yeah, you can find it, right?
01:23:49And just, you know, like, get up and, you know, go outside and reach out, and you'll find that.
01:23:56You'll find that.
01:23:58And have important conversations.
01:24:00You know, there was a study that came out that people who attend church regularly tend to be happier.
01:24:04Now, it's always tough to tease out cause and effect.
01:24:07Maybe people who are happier tend to go to church more, right?
01:24:10I mean, so it's always hard to tease out cause and effect.
01:24:12But what I will say is that one of the things that is important about church is that you're talking
01:24:18about something other than immediate material or romantic or sexual or business or financial problems.
01:24:27You're talking about, you know, meaning and virtue and goodness and a larger view of your life than the everyday.
01:24:35It is really important in your life to zoom out rather than deal with the inevitable hop goblins of the
01:24:42everyday.
01:24:42Oh, my water boiler is leaking.
01:24:45Oh, and my car needs new brakes.
01:24:47Oh, and, you know, my back is hurting today.
01:24:50And, you know, you could just have this endless little conveyor belt of tiny gremlins that snatch up every higher
01:24:55thought you could possibly have.
01:24:56And it's important to zoom out in life and to really make sure that you're seeing a larger picture, a
01:25:04deeper picture, a more virtuous and valued picture.
01:25:08And religion provides that, but it's not only religion that can provide that.
01:25:11Have important conversations.
01:25:12When was the last time you asked a friend what he thought the meaning of his life was or the
01:25:17meaning of life as a whole, the purpose of life?
01:25:19Or have you ever talked to a friend of yours about his biggest moral battle, his biggest moral triumph, maybe
01:25:27his biggest moral failing, right?
01:25:28I mean, talk about things that matter.
01:25:30Talk about things that are important.
01:25:32Talk about things that are meaningful.
01:25:33Because that's where the true humanity is and that's where we can really connect with others.
01:25:38Yeah, and, you know, from my experience, it's like if you do ask those kind of questions to somebody, the
01:25:46shock of surprise on their face and delight is incredible, you know?
01:25:51Because they say, oh, wow, you know, like you're interested in what I think?
01:25:56And I go, yeah.
01:25:57And they kind of go, wow, you know?
01:25:59And it opens up such opportunity and the joy that comes as a result of that is, you know, incalculable,
01:26:09right?
01:26:09You can't get to know anyone if you don't know their deepest thoughts.
01:26:12And we all have deepest thoughts and our deepest thoughts tend to be isolating unless we're sharing them with others.
01:26:17And to tie sort of the beginning and the end of the show together, remember it's very important to have
01:26:22a social life, especially when you're out in the world.
01:26:24If you're walking alone, particularly in farmer's fields, if you're alone, you are far more likely to be abducted by
01:26:33space aliens.
01:26:33We don't want that for these listeners because if they take you off planet, if they take you off planet,
01:26:40you cannot get to freedomain.com slash donate, which is where you need to get to to help keep the
01:26:46show free and accessible and commercial free and all of that.
01:26:50Yeah, freedomain.com slash donate, so avoid abductions, have a good community.
01:26:57They never take people from the middle of church, and they never take people from the middle of a philosophical
01:27:01meetup.
01:27:02It's super important.
01:27:03Yeah, yeah, 100%.
01:27:04I mean, that's so beautiful.
01:27:06It's almost like it goes without saying, but it was worth saying.
01:27:09All right, everyone.
01:27:10Well, thank you, Richard.
01:27:11I appreciate the conversation tonight, and thank you, everyone.
01:27:15If you meet people with unusual ideas or ideas that you really disagree with, be curious, and you're not likely
01:27:22to change people's minds right away, but sometimes you plant a seed, and it grows over time and so on.
01:27:28But be positive, be pleasant, be helpful with your thoughts, and I really do appreciate everyone's support.
01:27:35Freedomain.com slash donate to help out, and we will talk to you Sunday morning for our philosophy show.
01:27:40Hey, maybe I'll do video.
01:27:41All right.
01:27:41All the best, everyone.
01:27:42Have a great night.
01:27:43Bye-bye.
01:27:44Bye.
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