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Knicks sweep Sixers: Celtics fans, does this make you feel better or worse about the 1st round exit? Mego: "That wasn't even a competitive series." Wiggy: "I think the Celtics would have done better"
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Do you agree with Wiggy?
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00:00A question for the room.
00:02Does the Knicks sweep of the Sixers make you feel better or feel worse about your Celtics and round one
00:11of the playoffs?
00:12I'll start because I'm going to keep it 100.
00:14It's got to make you feel worse.
00:16It's got to make you feel worse.
00:18That wasn't even a competitive series between the Sixers and Knicks.
00:21And they took you to game seven and they owned the last three games.
00:24I looked at this series and it was an absolute ass-whipping by the Knicks.
00:30I think the Celtics would have done better, personally, if they were playing the Sixers.
00:35Obviously, we'll never know.
00:36Like all love?
00:37But how?
00:38Because I think that when you start to look up and look at the matchup, and I don't know.
00:43I just think that the Celtics have more offensive talent.
00:46Now, granted.
00:48Come on.
00:49Come on.
00:49That wasn't even competitive.
00:51And the thing about the Sixers, their best shooting came, at least from three-point land, for those guys came
00:58in the Celtics series.
01:00So, I think they gassed out on that.
01:02Where the Celtics are a team, granted, they had a horrible three-point shooting against the 76ers in round one.
01:11I just don't think they consistently would be that bad because that's not who they are.
01:15You know who that was an awful series for?
01:17Joe Mazzula.
01:19The way the Knicks approached the Sixers and totally removed their biggest strengths.
01:24And you sit back, and obviously the players, the reason Celtics lose, it's not, you know, whatever.
01:29But that was an indictment, I thought, on Mazzula.
01:32I mean, I just kept going back to Mazzula in the Twitch stream where he's talking about his favorite season.
01:38And I'm watching the team that they lost to get absolutely boat raced by a Knicks team.
01:44The Celtics are also more talented then.
01:47God, it just was awful.
01:48That is the worst outcome that could have happened if you're a Celtics fan.
01:51You know what I think?
01:52Like, when I look at the top-end talent, I agree the Celtics are more talented in the fact that
01:57when you start to look.
01:59Look, and I would say the combo that you have is more talented than what I believe the Knicks have
02:06and what the Sixers have.
02:07Is there a sport in which the top-end talent is more important than the NBA?
02:11Well, but no, but I think if you look at these series and you, I mean, look at yesterday's game,
02:16for example, it was McBride.
02:17I mean, the kid couldn't – he was in a heat check from three-point land, and then obviously the
02:23rest of the team kind of followed suit.
02:25But when you start to look at the top-end talent that you have and then the rest of their
02:31talent versus your talent, that's where I don't think they're not –
02:35your Celtics are not as talented than those other two teams.
02:38If your top-end talent likes each other and wants to – really wants to keep playing with each other,
02:45yeah, maybe.
02:46But, I mean, if you would just look at it and you would just based on – just on paper,
02:52you know, if Tatum's healthy and Jalen Brown's healthy,
02:55I think that most people would take Jalen Brown over Embiid, Maxie, take him over – yeah, maybe I might
03:05have some people that would take Jalen Brunson,
03:07but I think that's pretty close.
03:08But I think Tatum would be clear-cut taking over more than anybody else.
03:13I agree with that. I think Tatum, when healthy, best player on the floor across all those teams.
03:19Right.
03:20But I also think it's interesting, like, I kept thinking in the wake of the way that that series ended,
03:25going back to what Brad Stevens said in his press conference basically saying, like, you know,
03:31in the regular season we were 3-11 against these ultra-competitive, like, playoff teams.
03:39And the regular season did not show us enough to feel like there was any, like, real success from what
03:46we had
03:47because of what happened in the playoffs.
03:48And, like, the further away from – we get from those comments from Brad Stevens,
03:52the more I think that he's poised to try to make, like, a kind of a dramatic change.
03:57Okay.
03:57Because he did sound so frustrated in that press conference.
04:01And dramatic means one of the Jays is not here next season?
04:06Is that how dramatic it is in your mind?
04:08Well, I wouldn't go necessarily as far as that.
04:11Right.
04:11But I think maybe a year ago you could look at – hey, I'm not saying it's not going to
04:16happen,
04:16but a year ago when you're coming out of the Tatum injury, you're saying somebody like,
04:21hey, Derek White, like, he's part of the core, right?
04:23No.
04:23Like, or Peyton Pritchard, like, he's got the best contract in the NBA.
04:29And now I wonder if they're at a point where they're looking at it and going, like,
04:31we really got to reconfigure stuff around.
04:33And that's what I think that could be like when you think of, like, major changes.
04:37It might not be that you're moving on from the two Jays,
04:40but it might be that you're doing what you did, you know, a couple years ago to win the championship
04:45where you're bringing in a guy that has a similar status to a poor Zingas or Drew Holiday.
04:51You are completely making the rest of your starting five look so much different,
04:56and I think that could be something that we could see with Pritch potentially being gone.
05:00Everybody but the two Jays could basically be all new.
05:04Yeah, I think that's window dressing.
05:06But also, Greg, I remember last offseason when I ripped Chisholm, my new friend at Logan,
05:11that he arrived and gutted payroll.
05:13And it was like, overreacting.
05:15They're just, oh, who cares about Chris Stops?
05:18Who cares about these guys not being here?
05:20Now I'm being told that the reason the Celtics lost is because their bench sucked.
05:24Well, no, I would say, first of all, poor Zingas was not a bench player.
05:27No, he wasn't a bench player.
05:28Second of all—
05:29Even more reason why people should have been upset about it.
05:30I think the only—the guy who left who would have made a really big difference
05:34if you could have kept him would have been, like, a Cornette or a Horford
05:38just because you needed, like, a real—you needed another option at big.
05:43And we kind of knew that going into the season.
05:45Also, Nemeas Keita was very improved during the season.
05:48Right.
05:48But I don't think anybody looks at it and says, like, well, poor Zingas would have been
05:52the guy who changed this.
05:53No, because poor Zingas went to Atlanta, was hurt for a bunch of time.
05:56Then went to Golden State, was hurt for a bunch of time.
05:58Drew Holiday was hurt out in Portland.
06:01Al Horford, you know, he basically was, you know, holding down the bench in Golden State.
06:07So I agree.
06:08Maybe Horford could have been a guy that could have been—you would have had a little bit
06:12better center option than you did.
06:14Can you answer a question sitting here right now from somebody on the Subaru of New England
06:20text line, Wiggy, which is that if you believe the Celtics would have beaten this Knicks team
06:26and should have beaten this 76ers team because they are better, then it's all coaching.
06:32I didn't say they would have beat the Knicks.
06:33I said they would have gave—it would have been a better series.
06:37Did he not say that they would?
06:37No, I said it would have been a better series if the Celtics would have been—
06:41You're saying like they would have at least hung with the Knicks.
06:43Yeah, they would have got swept.
06:44The Sixers had one game where they looked kind of competitive.
06:47And that was game two.
06:48Yeah.
06:49Other than game two, they were absolutely getting destroyed.
06:51Yeah, the Sixers won as many games as the Celtics in the second round.
06:54Yeah, I don't—I'm not saying that the Celtics would have won that series,
06:57but I felt like the Celtics team would have been more competitive.
07:00They would have got swept off the court.
07:01I have to say, I kind of enjoyed the Knicks—I don't know who it was post-game,
07:05just mocking Sixer and Philly fans.
07:07That made my day yesterday, just seeing how pathetic the Sixer fans—
07:11Do you enjoy Knicks fans more?
07:13No, I just enjoy the Knicks player mocking the—
07:17Yeah, I actually have more respect for New York fans than I do Philly fans,
07:20if we're being honest.
07:21And we get there.
07:22This is Mike from Florida.
07:25Hello, Mike.
07:27Good morning, everyone.
07:28Happy Monday.
07:29Yes, to you too, Mike.
07:32So, first off, I want to start off by wishing Courtney a very happy Mother's Day
07:37for her first Mother's Day if she's listening.
07:41Meggo, I also want to say that as much as we miss Courtney,
07:45you're doing such a great job.
07:46It's going to be difficult when she comes back.
07:49We love her.
07:49We want her to come back.
07:50But you're doing a fantastic job, Meggo, so keep it up.
07:54Now, that being said, I don't want you to think that I'm coming at you a little bit
07:57on this one.
07:59But when it comes to the Celtics, this is why people say that you're basically on their payroll,
08:05because when you say something, like, Jason Tatum, in these series, healthy,
08:13is the best player on the court, no matter what team that they're playing against.
08:19Best player, I can't say that.
08:21Maybe you want to say he's the most talented, but consistently.
08:24He does not show up in comparison to some of these other players who,
08:29in your opinion, are not as good as he is.
08:34These guys, like Jalen Brunson, you know, or just name them off,
08:39they show up more consistently than he has in the entirety of his career.
08:45Now, obviously, he had a little boo-boo this last time.
08:48That's why he couldn't play Game 7.
08:49He should not have been courtside because it was a bad look.
08:52He should have been up in the box.
08:55That look on his face was the look of somebody who just was defeated.
09:01That's not a look that's good for the franchise.
09:03And the rest of the team could see that, you know, that they all felt that.
09:08And that probably led to their demise.
09:11So, when it comes to Jason Tatum, talented, you can say he is the most talented guy,
09:17but he is not the best player on the court when he's playing against some of these teams.
09:23So, if it were to be either of the Jays that were saying farewell to the city,
09:29you would want it to be Jason Tatum?
09:32He dropped off.
09:33He was thinking about the face that Jason Tatum had on the bench and that that was the reason that
09:38they lost Game 7.
09:39Right.
09:39If he had been hidden, if he was hiding on the ninth floor, it would be a different case.
09:44Oh, then they would be criticized.
09:46But you could just tell he doesn't know nothing about basketball.
09:48Like, did you not watch anything?
09:50I think there's a little more evidence of that.
09:53When you do something that only six players have done in NBA history,
09:58and then say the dude doesn't show up in the playoffs?
10:01And wait, you say this all the time.
10:03Let's lead the playoffs, the entirety of the playoffs in points and assists.
10:07Is that what it is?
10:08Points, assists, and rebounds for your team.
10:10I mean, there was five other guys to do it, and all five of them won.
10:13And the names, LeBron Jokic, Hakeem Olajuwon, Larry Joe, and Tim Duncan.
10:19And for you to say, oh, he doesn't show up in big games.
10:23I mean, there are some big games where he hasn't had his best games in, where he hasn't shown up.
10:28I'd agree with that.
10:29But when he steps on the court, he basically puts the team, for the most part, he carries the team,
10:36and he does what he needs to do.
10:38He's been the best player on a team that has underachieved three or four years.
10:41Yeah, and nobody's disputing that.
10:43So if that's LeBron, he's getting destroyed.
10:46But, I mean, he's saying that he brought up Jalen Brunson.
10:50Jalen Brunson hasn't even sniffed an NBA championship.
10:52That's a bad point.
10:53I'm also, like, I think he was conflating a little bit what I said.
10:58Just to defend myself, I didn't say Jason Tatum versus everybody.
11:03I said Jason Tatum versus Vijay Edgecombe, Tyrese Maxey, Joel Embiid, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson.
11:12Like, yeah, I'm taking...
11:14Paul George.
11:15Pick who you want.
11:16He would have been the best player.
11:18I'm taking Tatum.
11:19Yeah, obviously when he's healthy.
11:20But I would even say Jalen Brown, who was healthy, if you would...
11:25Most people would take him over everybody, except maybe you'd have a conversation where
11:29some people might take Jalen Brunson over.
11:31A 508 texter on the Subaru of New England text line says,
11:35Jason Tatum always shows up.
11:37It's just sometimes in street clothes.
11:39So, that's not true either.
11:41The style's been good, though.
11:43Yeah, the fit is definitely dripping.
11:45But if you look at Tatum, Tatum has never been a guy who sits out.
11:49He doesn't do the load management thing.
11:51He's not a guy that has...
11:53Other than Game 7 of the Miami Heat series, where he rolled his ankle at the beginning of
11:58the game, the guy doesn't miss many playoff games.
12:01So, that's like, there's another caller, or excuse me, a texter, whoever, who don't know
12:06what they're talking about.
12:07Because he don't miss many games.
12:10And when he does miss, like Michael said, his drip is fire.
12:14So, if you are going to miss, at least...
12:15That is exactly how I said it.
12:18All right.
12:19Well, Michael said at the start of the show that she believes Brad Stevens is going to
12:26do something significant.
12:28What was the word you used?
12:29Got to.
12:30Did you use significant?
12:31Dramatic.
12:32I like it.
12:33Dramatic.
12:34Because I think Brad knows that, like, this is a team at this point that should be championship
12:40contenders.
12:42And if you just watch the way that things went in this playoffs, and he's talking about,
12:47well, he's talking about how many teams were tanking for the lottery.
12:50I'm going to get a little bit to the lottery in my lead because for some of those tankers,
12:54it went about as poorly as it could.
12:57So, there's a little silver lining there for the Celtics.
13:00But, you know, I agree with that.
13:01I think he's going to do...
13:03It's got to be a big splash.
13:04Because I think this year, he probably looked at it like, all right, we're tearing a lot
13:08of things down.
13:09We're shipping off a lot of this payroll.
13:11We don't have high expectations.
13:13And then, ultimately, they have a tremendous share.
13:15He now has to be looking at it and going, okay.
13:18And you think...
13:20Both of you think Missoula's...
13:21He's safe, all set.
13:22Yeah, I think Missoula's fine.
13:23Why?
13:24Because I think Missoula has showed he's going to be coach of the year.
13:28He's shown what he can do with the team.
13:29He's shown that he can get superstars to kind of put their egos to the side and do what's
13:35best for the team.
13:36Can he get them to stop shooting threes when they aren't going in and take the ball inside?
13:41Well, that's going to be on Stevens to build a team that you won't be so reliant on the
13:45three-pointer.
13:46That'll be Brad's job.
13:47That's Brad's fault.
13:48Well, I think part of it is when you build a team that's reliant on that and you have
13:53no inside presence.
13:55Okay.
13:55Presence.
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