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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:12I had a big win at the casino earlier.
00:14Faulty great!
00:15Oh, Al.
00:16I was wondering if you'd have a drink for me.
00:19I think I was raped last night.
00:21I used to put something in my drink.
00:22If he did do something, why would he drive you to a police station?
00:24Stop saying if!
00:27Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation
00:29has been closed down.
00:30It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:32So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:36He was taking me home for a fiver.
00:38I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:40The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:43If he did assault you,
00:44then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:47His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:51They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:53Just tell them not known at present.
00:56Because quite some time has passed,
00:58the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
01:03So how many times you've been out with this guy, then?
01:06Four?
01:06So pretty serious.
01:07Yeah, I like him.
01:10I have been informed, Layla,
01:11that the Crown Prosecution Service
01:13has declined to proceed with any charges.
01:16If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions,
01:19I can arrange for somebody to hand them over to you.
01:21You're going to need to hang on to them
01:22because one day you're going to need them as evidence
01:23when you realise you were wrong about me.
01:27I'd like to report a rape.
01:29He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:40Over there.
01:41He's a wee fat one.
01:42You see Mummy?
01:45Mummy, yeah.
01:46Who's that?
01:47Mummy!
01:48Hello, sweetheart.
01:49Look at that balloon.
01:51Hey, do you want her?
01:54Can I say hello to your baby brother?
01:57This is Lenny.
01:58Hello, Lenny.
01:59Can I touch him?
02:00Of course you can touch him again.
02:02Good boy.
02:06Oh, big grunts.
02:09How's it feel, Daddy?
02:12I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty.
02:16He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks lovely.
02:29You don't think...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:10No, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you.
03:15You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:30So, how broad-minded are you, then?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say...
03:50Give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand.
03:54Would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, yeah, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:13That's my husband.
04:15Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24He's really wasting my fucking time tonight!
04:28My team has now taken over this investigation.
04:32And the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to five.
04:36After further searches of our database revealed
04:39another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
04:44So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning.
04:48With the object of making the women of London aware
04:51that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there
04:55driving a black cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00From what you've just told me,
05:02he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
05:04So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question.
05:24Why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about other girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:04No, no, no, no, no, no.
06:05You stay down there.
06:06You stay down there.
06:09What do you do?
06:12Stop holding.
06:38A key information is that we believe
06:41there is a black cab driver out there tricking women passengers
06:45into drinking a glass of champagne which he has drugged
06:48and then sexually assaulting those women.
06:52Now typically he tells them he's had a win at a casino
06:55or on the lottery
06:56and that he wants them to celebrate with him.
06:59Then he offers them the champagne.
07:02Now we have linked five cases so far
07:05but we believe there are more
07:07which is why we're asking anyone
07:09who recognises this method or any method similar to this
07:12to come forward and help us identify this man.
07:16You won't believe what he said to me this time.
07:18What's he done now?
07:19I thought he was joking right?
07:20But he says if I bought you a ring would you move in with me?
07:23And I'm like what type of ring?
07:25And then he says a friendship ring.
07:28What?
07:28Exactly.
07:29I said you can get lost mate.
07:30A friendship ring.
07:32Do you want me to be your house mate?
07:34Can I get veggie sausage please?
07:35He's taking the piss isn't he?
07:37Just the one?
07:38Yeah.
07:39Thanks.
07:40Rachel.
07:41What's up?
07:44I need the supervisor.
07:47A nurse?
07:49Works at a haven centre.
07:51She said she saw the sun today.
07:53And in July of last year they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story.
07:57Driver said he'd one big at a casino.
07:59Offered a champagne that she was convinced was corrupt.
08:01Well that's it.
08:02That's enough.
08:02Six victims.
08:04Yeah but the important bit is the cab was caught on CCTV at a university halls of residence.
08:10We've got a name and address for the driver.
08:12John.
08:13Derek.
08:14Warboys.
08:15Lives in Rotherhithe.
08:48What's all this about mate?
08:50John Warboys.
08:53Yeah?
08:53I'm a police officer.
08:55Can you come down and open the door please?
09:00Now what?
09:02I've been out working all night.
09:03What do you want?
09:04Come down and open the door.
09:16What is it?
09:18I'm Derek.
09:19Warboys.
09:19I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008.
09:24You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention my question,
09:28something which you later rely on in court.
09:35We're on the way back to Sutton Liquidim now.
09:37House is being searched.
09:39Why didn't she flag Dave?
09:41The girl then has told us about.
09:43Yeah.
09:44Right.
09:44I, um, I checked that out.
09:47Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime.
09:49So there's no criminal intelligence report in the system.
09:52What?
09:53It was only logged as a crime related incident.
09:55But that's against protocol.
09:57The starting point is that she should be believed.
10:03No part of this.
10:12No part of this.
10:15I'm off target.
10:17Not underì´ˆ.
10:17You're off target.
10:17No part of this.
10:19No part of this.
10:19I need you to get to know.
10:19And I can't control my Info.
10:20And I can believe.
10:20No part of this.
10:20It's not under your favorite fire chapter.
10:20You're off target?
10:20No part of this.
10:22The player has to go.
10:23No part of this.
10:28No part of this.
10:45a suspect was arrested earlier today so we are now asking any women who think they may have been
10:51attacked by this man to please come forward they may well feel that something has happened to
10:58them we might not be certain what but it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior to
11:05get in touch with us as a matter of urgency do i admit making a mistake getting into the back
11:11with
11:11her could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at me
11:20and what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared
11:24more vulnerable i would say that they will be supported that they will be listened to
11:32and that they will be believed
11:38i'd go coast me over phuket every time every time i mean both in thailand but hannah said she sold
11:44three holidays in coast me in the last fortnight what do you think of coast me yeah it's all right
11:50i'm going there next year defo love coast me me oh she's wounding me up though hannah can you order
11:58some more a4 can you get a coconut scented candle can you go out and get me a coffee at
12:02almond milk not
12:03dairy i've actually got a question to ask you hannah what's your man's bloody slave dial uh i'm sorry
12:08i think i've forgotten something you what um can you just just tell hannah i won't i won't be a
12:13minute
12:34they didn't even warn me it's him isn't it yeah yeah
12:43it is it is him it's exactly what he did to me
12:49why am i finding out about it from a newspaper oh what the fuck what the fuck am i supposed
12:55to do
13:01frankie i'm just feeding the baby are you watching the news
13:04what just turn the news on now icv one second
13:13typically he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery
13:17then he offers them a drink of champagne which he has drugged most of the women who have so far
13:24come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after drinking the champagne
13:31they uh said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver
13:34mate that's exactly how you said it happened
13:37they wouldn't listen to me
13:39i thought i was going mad
13:41i know you've got to call him sarah
13:44no
13:45i can't go through that again
13:51please just think about it
13:54i haven't even told dad what happened
13:57i was told by a friend about the story in the sun newspaper today and when i read it i
14:03knew straight
14:03away that this man had done something similar to me
14:09yes it was in july of last year
14:12i was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers
14:16didn't think a black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair
14:19that that is what was said to me
14:23look what i want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
14:28me last year
14:29can you at least tell me that please
14:32i don't need a name
14:39okay thank you very much i've got to go now
14:46it's the same man
14:51a long time ago
14:53five years ago before i met you
14:59i was raped
15:04but nobody believed me
15:06the police didn't believe me
15:09not even connor believed me
15:14the man who did it he's done it to other women too and he's just been arrested
15:23um he's so sorry i don't need to cuddle
15:29they've put it behind me
15:30and that's where it's gonna stay
15:33they've asked people to come forward but i've not gone to
15:39you have to go to the police
15:41sir
15:42it's enough
15:43that i know after all these years i was right
15:47that that man did drug me
15:50he did attack me
15:53beyond that
15:55i don't want to waste any more of my life on him
16:11okay
16:12let's start with the allegations
16:14of you touching female passengers
16:16in your cab
16:17in a sexual way
16:19how do you respond to this
16:20no comment
16:21mr warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight
16:24as is his right
16:25but he has prepared a statement
16:27which he is prepared to read out to you now
16:31okay john
16:32let's hear what you have to say
16:49i am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me
16:54i have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab
16:58and i have also never administered any form of drug to a passenger
17:02also whilst in my cab
17:09i am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me
17:13and offended that anyone would think that i
17:16as a respected black cab driver
17:18would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner
17:21thank you
17:26i'm completely innocent
17:29okay john
17:31you will be detained for further questioning
17:33and we're also going to need some swabs
17:35and a dna sample from you
17:53it's been white hot all day
17:55how many link cases
17:5743
17:5943
18:0043
18:00positively linked
18:01same description
18:02same modus operandi
18:04and that number
18:05is only going to rise when the line's open again tomorrow
18:0643
18:07yeah
18:08i mean 43
18:12what is happening here
18:39what is happening here
18:42is that what is happening here
18:42i mean
18:42i have to go
18:42oh
18:43and i mean
18:43what is happening here
18:48I just want to get it all straight in my head before I call them.
18:52A cup of tea?
18:54Yeah, please. Thank you.
18:56Come here, you...
19:02I called him a lovely man.
19:06He gave me a cigarette and I said he was a lovely man.
19:14It can't be that I fucking said that to him.
19:18You're doing the right thing.
19:25Come on.
19:29Why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man?
19:35Very sorry about that.
19:37Why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV?
19:40The answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint.
19:46It seems they only recorded it as a crime-related incident and not as a crime.
19:53So your details and the details of the complaint were never properly in the system.
19:59Right.
20:02Right.
20:05Because, you know, they...
20:08They didn't really believe anything that I said.
20:10I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation.
20:12Good.
20:13Because it appears that mistakes were clearly made.
20:18To be told effectively that I was lying was devastating.
20:25Do you understand that?
20:29Absolutely devastating.
20:32And I've had to live with that for the last five years.
20:38My parents were devastated when I left uni.
20:43But I've never told them, or my brothers, what happened to me.
20:49Because we're not that kind of family.
20:50So when the police, the only people that I thought would support me,
20:58turn their backs on me, that left me totally alone.
21:01Well, if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case, perhaps,
21:04there might have been a different outcome.
21:06But unfortunately, that is...
21:07Wait, wait, sorry.
21:09Um...
21:09Did you...
21:11Did you just say that the CPS did not review my case?
21:16No.
21:20I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence
21:26and decided not to proceed,
21:28which is why they closed the investigation in the first place.
21:35No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
21:40The decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it.
21:48They lied to me.
21:50I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your Achieving Best Evidence video
21:55or any of the items of clothing you told us about.
21:59What?
22:00None of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been
22:02in the evidence store.
22:11I reckon they got rid of all my evidence when he was arrested
22:14because they knew it would make them look bad.
22:16I don't know if that's the case.
22:19I've only hoped that it isn't.
22:20Now, I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs
22:24such as Rhypnol and didn't find any.
22:25No, no, no.
22:26But they told me that they found nothing.
22:27Like I was...
22:28Like I was...
22:29Lying?
22:30Like I was lying about being drugged.
22:32The test showed diphenhydramine, which is the active ingredient in nitil,
22:36was found in your urine.
22:38Okay, so if they'd have just...
22:41asked me, I could have told them
22:43that I've never knowingly taken that drug in my life.
22:47There were drugs in my bloodstream.
22:49Yes, citalopram, codeine, morphine.
22:53Hang on.
22:54I've never taken citalopram, whatever it is, my bloody life.
22:58So, a prescription, antidepressant.
23:01Antidepressant.
23:01Never taken an antidepressant.
23:03Okay.
23:03Why didn't they tell me they found these things in my blood?
23:07Why didn't they tell me?
23:11To feel like you're not being believed.
23:14And then to find out they couldn't even be bothered to do their job properly.
23:22I can't explain to you how angry and brutalised and bewildered I feel.
23:41I would say that, um, based on just this conversation today,
23:46you might have grounds for a formal complaint.
23:49And if you like, I could give you the...
23:51the details of who to take that to.
23:55And who would that be?
23:57Yeah, it's a body called the IPCC.
24:01The Independent Police Complaints Commission.
24:05Yeah, I've heard about them.
24:08I work for a firm with solicitors.
24:12The IPCC, it's made up of ex-police officers, isn't it?
24:15Yeah.
24:17So the police market their own homework.
24:21I can tell you now they'll find that nobody did anything wrong.
25:12Layla Mahmood.
25:13Layla Mahmood.
25:39Carrie Simons.
25:43Sorry.
26:01Sarah Adams.
26:23Oh, God, yeah, that's him.
26:40I was, uh, talking to Mrs Purvis today at my art class.
26:45She said her daughters decided she wants to study law.
26:49She said she warned her.
26:51It's going to take many years of hard work,
26:53but the girl seems adamant.
26:57She doesn't even want to take a gap year.
27:00She's going to start in September.
27:04Admirable, don't you think?
27:12I'm going to go to the garden centre tomorrow if you want to come, Layla.
27:16Pick up a few pots for the garden.
27:19Fancy it?
27:22No, I can't.
27:24Sorry.
27:25I have to work on Saturdays.
27:29Oh.
27:30So how's things?
27:31Yeah, okay.
27:33Work?
27:34I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it.
27:36You still smoking?
27:38Er, no, I've quit.
27:41I mean, very occasionally.
27:43Mm.
27:44I'm still trying to stop.
27:46Why?
27:47I'm just concerned about your health.
27:48Well, it's fine, isn't it?
27:50Yeah, well, that's good.
27:51That's good.
27:52But I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry.
27:56I saw the news.
27:59And I've read the papers.
28:01I'm sorry for not believing you.
28:12Jack, go back into the kitchen and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
28:16Just go into the kitchen, just take whatever you want, but just eat it in there.
28:20Go on, Pete.
28:28Sarah, I'm sorry.
28:29I'm so sorry.
28:31I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
28:38It almost killed me.
28:44All these women who'd gone through what I went through,
28:48who would have been spared if...
28:52if they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't blame yourself.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did. I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:03Sorry.
29:09You know what? Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy, and we've got Lenny, and I...
29:20I thank God every day for you.
29:26But I should have been living with you.
29:31Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
29:36I should have been your wife.
29:39I love you.
29:40I love you.
29:43I love you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:56But thank you for your apology.
29:57Jackie.
29:59I accept it.
30:04Jack?
30:09Uh...
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:19See you later, M.D.
30:21See you later, M.D.
30:39See you later, M.D.
30:46We're going to proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
30:5014?
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but okay.
31:04We want you to be one of the 14.
31:07And give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me? But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drugged, will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
32:00I sit.
32:12okay so we've heard from the cps the plan is about 14 of the women are going to speak in
32:18court
32:20but they won't be asking you to testify
32:26why well the thing is you you didn't pick him out in the id parade
32:33it's been a long time and he looked really different with me that night
32:37because so much evidence from your case has been lost fucking destroyed in my opinion
32:45it's about not giving the defense and opening sarah
32:52that's hard because i wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me
33:00i wanted to have my moment in court
33:04i wanted to look him in the eye and say yeah i'm sending you to prison because that's where you
33:07belong
33:11i know i'm sorry sarah sometimes in these these big cases it's it's easy to overwhelm
33:18the jury so the strategy is to to stick to the offenses where we've been able to collect
33:24the most comprehensive evidence
33:28i'm 14 is that enough
33:30well the cps are confident that this will give the trial judge enough ammunition to put him away for a
33:36long long time
33:43mr war boys freely admits a good deal of the circumstances surrounding these events
33:50for instance he has always actively sought to engage female passengers in conversation in his taxi cab
33:59banter banter as he calls it and he sometimes did this by telling them
34:05falsely that he had won money that night through gambling and by showing them a bag filled with cash
34:12but he says this was simply a conversation starter and his objective was not sexual it was simply
34:19a very female company it was an icebreaker in that respect
34:24he is adamant that any sexual contact between him and any woman in his taxi was consensual
34:33that it was non-penetrative and that it was initiated by those women
34:44no i don't remember feeling scared that night
34:47you didn't feel threatened by mr war boys
34:49no i actually thought he came across as sort of pathetic
34:53not some sort of predatory monster just a normal taxi driver engaging in some banter with you
35:01i actually think that harmless demeanor is what makes him so dangerous
35:06precisely because he puts you off guard as he hands over his drinks from the front
35:10he's like a professional con man
35:14it's clear would you agree that your daughter had been drinking that night
35:18a few drinks correct
35:21so i put it to you that it's reasonable to assume that she was intoxicated
35:26i've never seen her intoxicated she rarely drinks alcohol she was in distress
35:33she was insensible she was like a rag doll
35:37there was something else in her system she was vomiting continuously
35:43you don't get like she was that night just from a few drinks
35:57i swear by allah that the evidence i shall give shall be the truth
36:00the whole truth and nothing but the truth
36:09two large glasses of red wine
36:14yes and you drank those and then you go to the toilet and you are sick
36:21yes i i sometimes get nauseous when i'm on my period
36:26but that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening and you went back to your
36:31friends and carried on as normal in your statement you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade
36:40yes and did your drinking stop there or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told
36:46us about
36:48not that i remember
36:49shortly after you got into his taxi mr warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly
36:56maybe champagne
36:57and you drank that too
37:03yes
37:05why
37:06because he
37:07forced me to
37:10he wouldn't take no for an answer
37:12oh but he's driving he's in the front of the cab
37:14yes but he just he
37:16he kept persisting and persisting and persisting
37:19but he can't actually force you to drink it can he
37:21well he forced me to take the pill
37:22we'll come to that in a minute my question to you is why you felt you had to drink that
37:27champagne when you were not obliged to
37:33because
37:35he
37:37he wouldn't take no for an answer
37:39or is the reality that he was being a very chatty and personable taxi driver engaging in some banter with
37:45you
37:46who'd offered you a drink and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily
37:52no
37:54you say you remember him getting into the back of the cab with pills in his hand and that he
38:01forced one into your mouth
38:02right
38:03yes
38:04and what are you doing to resist
38:09well i'm
38:12i'm trying to
38:14move him away from me
38:16so you were perfectly able to struggle and resist
38:19yeah
38:20but you don't mention struggling and resisting in your police statement
38:27well
38:28if it's not there
38:30it's not there but i was
38:32i was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne
38:36and after the pill went down your mind
38:38is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter
38:43yes
38:45so we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness
38:52yes that's right
38:53well i suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol before you got in mr warboy's
38:59taxi
38:59and that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat
39:03do you disagree with me
39:04yes
39:05and you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off
39:09or did or didn't have a lot to drink or pretty much anything else that night
39:12because you were so intoxicated
39:29leila
39:30i just want to thank you for giving evidence
39:32i don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty
39:35i thought you held up really well in there
39:38did you
39:39yeah
39:40yeah it was tough
39:43leila can i get you anything a cup of tea
39:45no thanks i'd just like to go home
39:47i'm debbie from the police press office
39:50i just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity and providing us with some media interviews
39:55what
39:56we just thought if someone could stand up
39:58someone articulate like yourself
40:00and talk about what had happened to you
40:02this might encourage more women to come forward
40:04no no i can't i can't do that i'm sorry
40:08no you've got the wrong person
40:10sorry
40:26hi i'm sorry i'm sarah
40:29do i know you i've been through exactly what you've been through have you got time for a coffee
40:36i wanted to punch that barrister in his stupid face
40:42like why is it okay for him to make out i'm a liar he's going through every tiny thing in
40:49your statement in my new detail just trying to find some little thing to pick away at
40:52why is that still happening i was raging too just watch it what what is the point of this
40:57farce he's fucking guilty you know i've been looking into bringing a complaint against the
41:02police for the way they treated us and with me there was so much stuff they missed out in the
41:07first few weeks it was just ridiculous yeah but it's their own disciplinary people isn't it
41:13what's the point i'm not talking about going through the ipcc i want to make some proper noise
41:19i'm looking into suing them suing yeah there's a lawyer i've been put in touch with
41:27who might be prepared to take it on she's called harriet wistrich she's got great reputation
41:34but i can't do it by myself i had a quick chat with her and she said it'd be a
41:38much stronger case if
41:39there was someone else who had been through the same thing so you're asking do i want to sue the
41:46police with you well yeah you don't have to make a decision yes what yes let's see the bastards oh
42:19you developed and perfected a web of deceit
42:25that was sufficient to ensnare young intelligent and sensible women who had enjoyed a night out
42:32and whose only mistake as it turned out was to get into your cab late at night
42:39there is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm through the
42:45commission of further offenses i therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment
42:52for public protection with a minimum custodial term of eight years
43:14i wouldn't worry about the eight years as i understand it the judge had to give a number
43:20but a parole board still has to decide if it's safe to release him when i can't see that happening
43:25eight years did spook me a bit yeah he's not getting out anyway carrie thanks for agreeing to
43:32do some interviews i think if someone like yourself someone so articulate can stand up then it will
43:38encourage more women to come forward i'm nervous but if it gives others a voice it seems like the
43:43right thing to do thanks again yeah i'll start to get some things set up okay okay thanks carrie
43:50what have you got to do well just some interviews about what happened to me they need someone to
43:54wave their anonymity and be a focal point my goodness do you think that's a good idea you're so young
44:00do
44:00you want this hanging over you what they said it's important that more people come forward
44:09i'm just sick of us all being on the back foot mom
44:16could he really get out that soon because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me
44:20me too well theoretically yes after eight years he could apply for parole but um
44:27in order to do that he'd first have to admit to what he's done
44:30and his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent right so not just a psycho a
44:37fake psycho so his position is 105 women have all just made it all up it's up to 105 now
44:43well i was
44:45told the actual number might be nearer 500 is that correct that's what the police said
44:51so what do you think harriet there's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered
44:56needlessly because the police didn't do their job properly they shouldn't be allowed to get
45:00away with what they've done well neither of you qualifies for legal aid so you're asking me
45:06to take this on on a no win no fee basis afraid we are yeah okay firstly the problem is
45:15you can't sue the police for negligence why not the law states that if they could be sued they
45:20wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly because they'd always be looking over the shoulder
45:22waiting for the next writ it's just how the law is i'm afraid
45:28but my advice would be to pursue this under the human rights act and argue that the police's
45:33actions or inactions or inactions infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading
45:41treatment well that exactly describes what happened to us yes the only problem is is that it's never been
45:48done before and um in your case sarah there is a statute of limitations issue you must take an action
45:56within one year and it's been five years since the police investigated your case and in your case
46:01later they could argue that however ineffective their initial investigation was they did ultimately
46:06arrest the correct man should we close the door on the way out then but the first thing i would
46:12do
46:12is i would contact the police and declare our intentions now they will jump up and down tell
46:18us we don't have a legal leg to stand on and that we're out of time but they will have
46:21to disclose to
46:22us statements and other evidence and i'm betting that will throw up some pretty interesting stuff
46:47so
46:49so
46:51so
47:01you
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