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Seth and Sean discuss the Astros losing to the Dodgers again, Lance McCullers having an issue with his finger, and Carlos Correa being out for the rest of the season.
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00:00I gotta start paying attention. Sorry, I lost a fingernail right before the show.
00:04But I'll try to see if I can make it through.
00:07I'm gonna give you one good hour, Sean, and then see if somebody else can come in and adequately replace
00:12me.
00:12Give me one good hour, then try to get through another hour, and just completely poop the bed,
00:18and then leave it for me to pitch the next four innings and get shellacked.
00:23Sean, I don't remember which of the three runners who scored on wild pitches it was,
00:29but when Lance, I mean, to his credit, this was after he was having his issues with his fingernail.
00:36For those of you who didn't see, part of his fingernail fell off.
00:39Makes it really hard to throw his signature curveball, or at least a one-time signature curveball.
00:44And there's a wild pitch. Cesar Salazar is not the guy who's gonna rein it in.
00:48And one of the three runs it would eventually score is coming home, and Lance is barreling towards home plate.
00:55He threw his body.
00:56He dives to get the ball. The runner is safe. And it was a heroic effort, but that was, I
01:04think that was the first of the three runs he allowed on wild pitches.
01:06It was the second.
01:07It was the second.
01:08Oh, I just, yeah. And he said, like, to his credit, he stays out there. He knows the situation they're
01:16in. This is what bothers me the most. The mountain visit.
01:20Yeah.
01:21They come out, and the trainer and a spotter are out there talking to Lance. Lance is trying like hell
01:25not to show exactly what the issue is. He's, you know, he's got his hand down. He's talking into his
01:32glove. He's clearly, you know, like, try not to, try not to, like, let the opponent know exactly what's wrong.
01:38Yep.
01:38A spotter is staring at McCuller's hand the entire time. You know the person, you ever have to be talking
01:47to somebody in conversation, and they think they're giving you a sly wink?
01:50Oh, yeah.
01:51But it's not a wink at all. Like, they think they're winking at you so nobody else can see.
01:55Right.
01:56And you're like, you're totally, stop giving me furtive glances. No. Everybody can see what you're doing here and making
02:02me look like a jerk.
02:03A spotter is the guy who's your, he's your buddy who's standing over your shoulder at the poker table, and
02:08he just gives your cards away. He's like, oh, pocket aces. Oh, oh. Not too bad.
02:14I mean, at the end of the day, everybody probably knew it was a blister, or it was something. They
02:18knew it was something to do with his hand.
02:19Well, you could tell on the broadcast.
02:20He had stared at it a couple times.
02:22Yeah, yeah. The broadcast caught him staring at his hand, so all he needed was a TV in the dugout
02:26or the clubhouse or somebody to get in touch with them in the opposing clubhouse.
02:31Not like you need some sort of cheat code to hit Lance McCullers these days.
02:34Right.
02:35He's got to, he had a 70 ERA before the broken fingernail.
02:40But that, boy, and there's a couple, there's a couple things with that.
02:43One, it's the next in just this, it's like the second wave now, Seth, of COVID here.
02:48We had the first wave of injuries.
02:50We had like a week off.
02:51There was like a week where they had no injuries.
02:53It was amazing.
02:54And now, Yiner Diaz, Carlos Correa, out for the year.
02:57We'll talk about that in a second.
02:58In case you don't know, Carlos Correa, out for the year.
03:02And then Lance yesterday, and he said afterwards, in fact, let's play Lance here real quick, and then we'll go
03:08on from there.
03:08But Lance, it sounds like he may miss some time here.
03:11Here's Lance explaining what happened yesterday.
03:13My nail, part of, portion of my right pointer for your nail popped off when I was throwing curveball to
03:18Freeland, there to start the third.
03:22And it's just not an excuse, just as a matter of fact.
03:25And so, it was tough for me after that.
03:28And I was trying to get through the third.
03:29Probably didn't have anything after that.
03:31But just trying to get through the third.
03:33So, you know, try to give whoever was going to come in a clean inning.
03:37And, you know, I had a chance to keep it close.
03:39Just, you know, didn't do it with Pajos.
03:42Mostly curveball.
03:43Couldn't really throw the rest of the inning.
03:44But pretty much everything.
03:46Just like my, you know.
03:47But it's not, like I said, it's not an excuse.
03:48Just kind of down a pitch and, you know, tough.
03:52I was just trying to make it through when they came out and said, hey, let me just try to
03:55make it through this inning.
03:55When Josh came out, I said, hey, you know, I can try to make good pitches.
03:58Try to get out of this inning clean.
04:00But, you know, didn't happen.
04:03Sometimes it's these baseball guys, man.
04:05Like, I just wanted to hand whoever was coming in next a clean inning.
04:08I didn't want him to have to come in with guys on base.
04:10Like, okay, so let's leave the guy with no finger out there to pitch to these guys.
04:14So that so-and-so doesn't have to go through the stress of having guys on base.
04:18Jason Alexander, you're handing it to.
04:20It's not like you're handing it to Josh Hader in the middle of the eighth inning or something like that.
04:24I want to be sure that when Jason Alexander comes in, the game is already lost.
04:28That's what it was.
04:29Ultimately, I want to.
04:30Oh, Sean, I don't think I even sent it to you because I know you hate these depressing, like, this
04:35is the first time since type of stats.
04:37I do hate them, but I like that we bring them up on the show.
04:41So give them to me.
04:41You're a glutton.
04:42I'm a glutton.
04:43Yeah.
04:44I'm a glutton.
04:44Give it to me.
04:45Well, I have to, you know what, I foolishly decided to update my phone before.
04:50Oh, wow.
04:51Boy, that was dumb.
04:52Yeah.
04:52Remember the last time I updated my phone.
04:54I'm a stupid head.
04:56We'll find it.
04:56We'll find it later.
04:57You know what?
04:57Well, it was basically one of those things.
04:59They allowed eight more.
05:00I think I remember it.
05:01Okay.
05:01You can fact check me on this later.
05:02Listeners can.
05:03Yep.
05:03I want to say they've allowed more than eight runs 14 times so far this season.
05:08Yep.
05:09All of last season, which was not a particularly awesome season.
05:13It was not.
05:13They allowed it 15 times in the entire season.
05:15That's a correct stat by you.
05:16I saw the same thing.
05:17That is 100% correct.
05:19Take that, iPhone.
05:20I don't need you as much as I thought I did.
05:22Technology, screw you.
05:24Why would we do that when we have Seth's brain, right?
05:28Yeah.
05:28Why would we do that?
05:31Yeah.
05:31I mean, it's.
05:32That's a crazy stat.
05:34Think about that.
05:35Let's be honest.
05:35They're losing that game whether Lance gets shelled with a broken finger or not.
05:38Yes.
05:39Yeah.
05:40Fingernail.
05:40Well, he had already.
05:41Broken finger is more dramatic.
05:42It is.
05:43He had already wild pitched a guy home before the fingernail popped off.
05:46You know, like he was.
05:47It's not like he was doing great things.
05:49Yeah.
05:49I wasn't clear on that, though.
05:51Do we know that for sure?
05:52Was that.
05:53Yeah.
05:53Yeah.
05:53Yeah.
05:53He wild pitched a guy home in the first inning and then the nail.
05:56Well, I know.
05:56But do we know that the finger wasn't an issue already at that point?
05:59Well, we don't.
06:00I'm going.
06:00I'm just.
06:01I'm using the I'm using him calling a spot out and starting to look at his hand as the
06:05benchmark.
06:05Yeah.
06:05Maybe it did.
06:06I have no idea.
06:08But that's.
06:09Think about that stat.
06:10They gave up eight or more runs 15 times all of last year.
06:15They are.
06:16They're one game away from matching that total before Mother's Day.
06:20Like, if they do it against the Reds Friday or Saturday, they'll have matched that same
06:25total by Mother's Day.
06:27This team.
06:28This pitching staff is so bad.
06:30This is the year for sure that you got to step off that.
06:34Hey, we're never.
06:36We're.
06:37Unless.
06:37Unless they make a huge run like they did a couple of years ago in June and July, obviously.
06:42But you get to.
06:44I mean, it's just so weird if you think about this organization and where in 2017, the frustration
06:50was that they didn't make a big move at the trade deadline.
06:53And they ended up making a big move at the second trade deadline and getting Justin Verlander.
06:59That's kind of.
07:00Things were pretty good after that.
07:01And then they got addicted to bold moves and never counting themselves out.
07:06And it worked out.
07:07But, man, this is.
07:10You are at the bottom of the barrel.
07:13The pipeline needs to be restocked.
07:15Yeah.
07:16And as much as you want to cling on to hope, you know, tooth and nail every single year,
07:23it's time.
07:23It's time to start thinking about selling some stuff off.
07:26I think it is.
07:27You just, you got to, you got to close the book on, on the era definitively.
07:32Yep.
07:33I know we know it's all.
07:34People are already referring to the golden era in the past tense.
07:36Yes.
07:37If they, if they make a resurgence, it's going to be a new, a new era.
07:40But, man, it's ugly.
07:42It's ugly out there.
07:42Yeah, it is.
07:43And it's a minor league team just like it was last year.
07:45Yeah.
07:45You're out there watching guys that, guys, I shouldn't know the name of or face of,
07:50except that now this is two straight years we're seeing those guys on the major league
07:53diamond.
07:54Yeah, the only, the only variable, not variable, but like the, the, the one thing that is, if
08:02you're looking to rebuild, if you're looking to tear it down, if you just think this team
08:05is flat out not good, and they're not good, but here's the issue is that the division's
08:10not good.
08:10Yeah.
08:11The division is keeping them alive right now.
08:13And my fear would be if you're somebody who wants to tear it down, and I'm leaning
08:17that way right now.
08:18I'm not all the way in on it yet.
08:19I need to see a little bit more play out, but it's certainly trending in that direction.
08:22But I think if you are one of those people, like Ocho is a loyal listener who texts in
08:26every day, boy, he's ready to just blow the whole thing up.
08:29And I think there's definitely an argument for that, as you just pointed out, Seth.
08:32But if this team's still within four games in June, because the division sucks, Jim Crane's
08:40not going to tear it down.
08:41He's going to think that they can win the division.
08:43He's more likely, he's way more likely to fire Joe Espada as a like the fire under the
08:48team move than he is to go start trading pieces off.
08:51Yeah.
08:52Way more likely.
08:53Which is the first step in the process.
08:53I suppose that's what we've got to start thinking about is, all right, let's think of stages
08:57of the process.
08:58For an owner that, to his credit, just never wants to give up, always wants to fight, but
09:03you've got to temper that somehow.
09:05It's that, okay, the first step in the process would be, is there something we can do to shake
09:09things up before the trade deadline, when there's still time to figure out exactly what
09:15is this team capable of?
09:16And I say this with all due acknowledgement of the fact that there's only so much Espada
09:22or any manager can do when half your roster is on the IL.
09:26Yep.
09:27And I just, it's really hard to fault the manager for the fact that very few of your
09:34pitchers have looked like competent major league pitchers.
09:36Yeah, if Espada gets fired, it kind of falls in the Brad Mills, Beau Porter category, which
09:42is, all right, well, this guy, he's just, he's not set up for success this year.
09:46The combination of a strangely built roster and just this slew of injuries, like, you know,
09:53none of that's, excuse me.
09:55And the fact that the pitchers who remain can't put the ball over the plate, like, none of those
10:00things are Joe Espada's fault.
10:01But, yeah, you're right.
10:03That's, you're right.
10:03That's probably step one.
10:05And then, and then you just got to see how it plays out after that.
10:08It's just, it's, it's very depressing.
10:09And we haven't gotten to Carlos Correa yet.
10:11And that's very depressing.
10:13Um, we're, I'm going to play Carlos's whole media availability because, you know, it was
10:18only about a minute and a half long.
10:19We'd end up playing most of the cuts anyways.
10:21So here was Carlos.
10:22If you missed it yesterday, um, he popped a tendon swinging a bat in the batting cage,
10:27uh, before Tuesday's game and, uh, it's in his left ankle.
10:33So this is important to note.
10:34This is not the ankle that had the Giants and the Mets canceling their contracts.
10:39They agreed to with him in free agency.
10:41This is the other ankle.
10:43So it just popped with him swinging the bat and he is now going to be out.
10:48Well, we'll let Carlos tell you how long he's going to be out for.
10:50Carlos, what's your prognosis?
10:52Uh, I need surgery on, uh, the tendon, my left ankle, um, which will require for me to
11:00miss the rest of the season.
11:01How, how tough is, is it to get that news?
11:04Uh, tough, really tough.
11:06You know, um, not what I was expecting.
11:09Um, but you know, now it's time to deal with it, face it head on and, and focus on the
11:14rehab.
11:14Carlos, what happened?
11:17It's, I was hitting the cage, normal day, feeling great.
11:20I went through my routine, took a swing and just fell a pop.
11:24It just completely snapped on me and then it fell to the ground and couldn't put weight on it.
11:29It was just when you landed and weight planted.
11:31Normal swing.
11:32It was a normal swing and it just, it just, it, I felt like a loud pop.
11:36I heard it and felt it.
11:38And right away I knew something was wrong.
11:40Do you know yet when you're going to have surgery?
11:42Not yet.
11:42We're going to wait for some other opinions and all that, you know, uh, go through what we
11:48all go through and when we have this type of injuries and just make sure that surgery
11:51is the right move or it's a complete tear.
11:54So most likely we'll be surgery at some point this week.
11:57What's, what's like the time to, six to eight months, uh, depending on how it recovers after.
12:05Um, so we'll see.
12:07All right.
12:07So there we go.
12:08That we want to get in.
12:09So he's, it's a six to eight month recovery, assuming everything goes as planned.
12:14Have you ever heard of a guy popping a tendon, just swinging a bat in the batter's mouth?
12:19Uh, I don't, the, I ran a search and I do it with no zero medical expertise.
12:23It said that, uh, the Achilles tendon was most likely for something like that to happen
12:28just from a sudden explosive movement, which makes sense.
12:30So it's kind of like what you hear about people tearing their Achilles or their patellar tens
12:34a lot of times, just relatively simple activities.
12:37Yeah.
12:37So I don't know if I've heard of that specifically, but it's not like it never happens.
12:41Tends to happen with injury prone guys who are in their thirties and, uh, maybe who've
12:45been asked to play shortstop more than they expected to because they were excited to come
12:51to Houston because partly they're going to be able to play third base and less taxing on
12:54the body that, uh, yeah, guys, they get into their, they get into their mid thirties and
12:58that's when the old, you got to worry about Achilles tendons and patellar tendons when
13:02guys get into their thirties and the tendons get a little bit more brittle, but I have
13:06zero clue what, which tendon it actually is.
13:07Yeah.
13:08I would think if it was the Achilles, they would have said it was the Achilles.
13:11Uh, who, yeah, this is the Astros, Sean.
13:12That's true.
13:13I'm surprised they didn't say it was his left temple.
13:15Yeah.
13:15It was, that is a great point.
13:19It is the Astros.
13:20Yeah.
13:20It's in the ankle area.
13:21So let's call it the, I don't know.
13:23It's in the neighborhood.
13:24I don't know.
13:25Yeah.
13:25People keep saying this.
13:26I've never heard of this before.
13:27I don't know.
13:29We hear about guys getting injured during batting practice or, or, you know, whatever all the
13:34time.
13:34Yeah.
13:34I just can't remember it.
13:35I just, I can't remember a guy just swinging a bat and then he's out for the year.
13:38It's not as weird as, it's not as weird as somebody stepping in a gopher hole or something
13:42on their ranch.
13:43Right.
13:43You know, it's just a, it's a classic sports injury.
13:46Yep.
13:46Here was Joe Espada on his conversation with Carlos Correa.
13:49My conversation with Carlos, you know, um, ask him, you know, he's going to be around.
13:53It's important for his presence to be felt in the clubhouse.
13:56You know, obviously he's, um, we're going to see when, you know, when he's going to have
14:00this surgery and where, you know, we don't have the exact date, but once that happens,
14:05have him around.
14:05His presence is important.
14:06His message is important.
14:07And, um, he's like having another coach.
14:10Um, so he's, you know, he's, he's going to, he said he's, he's all for it.
14:14So I'm not surprised by it.
14:15I thought two things when I heard Espada say that first, the first person I thought of
14:19Seth, when he said, well, he's going to be around, he's going to be, you know, he's
14:22going to be here as a sounding board, blah, blah, blah.
14:24The first thing I thought of was Fred Van Vliet.
14:27That was what everybody was saying about Fred Van Vliet.
14:28But you know what?
14:29Fred's one of those guys.
14:30He's not going to be away from the team.
14:31He's still going to be around, you know?
14:32So he'll, we'll still have his, his, you know, his steadying influence in the locker room.
14:38And I'm like, oh, you mean on that team where the chemistry became a disaster possibly?
14:42Yeah.
14:42We'll still have his, still have Fred Van Vliet around.
14:45Thank God.
14:45Yeah.
14:46Fred's probably like, okay, just everybody's just checking the, be sure I'm not being mentioned
14:50as one of the reasons for the supposedly bad body language or whatever.
14:53And the other thing that, well, the other, the other thing I thought of too, with, um,
14:58in listening to, uh, Espada talk about Correa and Correa being around the team, like great.
15:03He's going to be around a team that's on pace to win 62 games.
15:07Thank God Carlos is around to help.
15:09I don't know that there's anybody, dude, you could have Jesus Christ himself in that clubhouse
15:13and the ERA is still going to be six and a half for this team.
15:16Yeah.
15:16You know, like it's, it's, it's, it's just a bad, but cool.
15:19I feel that Carlos is going to be around and I think he will.
15:21And I think Carlos just loves baseball.
15:22I think he's one of those guys that wants to be around it.
15:25I feel terrible for him because he seemed to have kind of a new lease on life baseball
15:29wise coming back here.
15:31It gave him, put a little extra pep in his step.
15:33And the bottom line is he was having a pretty decent season.
15:35Not great, you know, but his, but, but elite defensively elite defense in his ability
15:41to pay play both short and third ended up being a big deal.
15:44Yeah.
15:45Well, and as it turns out, the, uh, the untenable infield glut that they had,
15:49not my words, that was Chandler Rome's word, the untenable infield glut before the season.
15:53Um, thank God they had it because once Jeremy Pena comes back, you've got a left side of
15:58the infield where both guys at least made the all-star team last year with Paredes and Jeremy
16:02Pena.
16:03So guys, uh, guys swinging the bat, usually it's always an oblique injury.
16:07If that's all they were doing was swinging the bat.
16:09Luis Rengifo, uh, tore his left biceps tendon while he was in the on-deck circle in 2023.
16:18Okay.
16:18That's the only recent instance I found of somebody just popping a tendon while swinging a bat.
16:22Just swinging a bat.
16:23Yeah.
16:23Yeah.
16:23No, I'm sure it's happened.
16:24I just, I just never heard of that.
16:25Plus, you know, and Carlos has these, this, this lower leg anomaly in his body.
16:31And who knows the, I don't know how that affects everything.
16:34Yep.
16:34So, well, I mean, gosh, uh, when it comes to just like, uh, glass now yesterday, just
16:39all of a sudden those, um, his low back issue pops right back up.
16:43Yep.
16:44Yeah.
16:44After, uh, not, that's not similar or anything, but, um, and there was a little bit of hope
16:48there, right?
16:49Right.
16:49The bullpen's coming.
16:50No, I, that's, is there, is there getting shellacked in the third inning?
16:53I'm like, great.
16:54You just got four.
16:55You got fed an opportunity by the baseball gods that glass and I was gone by the beginning of the
17:00second inning and you're going to, you know, you're going to lose 12 to two.
17:03Tell you what though, pretty good day for glass.
17:04Now I've got his 1000th strikeout fastest, uh, fastest, uh, to get 1000 strikeouts in
17:11major league baseball history or some kind of history.
17:13Yeah.
17:13I mean, he did it versus Jordan Alvarez, which is, uh, that's pretty cool.
17:17It's cool for you.
17:18I'm happy for him.
17:19You know, I'm happy for the Dodgers, uh, Southern California, the color blue, happy for
17:25all those people.
17:25Well, I couldn't be more magnanimous in this bleep show.
17:28Yeah.
17:29Yeah.
17:29Yeah.
17:30Glass now gets hurt all the time, man.
17:31He's never pitched 120 innings in a season.
17:33I don't know if you knew that.
17:34Like he's, he gets hurt all the time.
17:37Glass now does.
17:38It's crazy.
17:39And he's a huge, he's a Jays.
17:41No, Steve Carlton.
17:42That's for sure.
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