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00:00Today, have you seen this man, Zachariah Lieberd?
00:05Police urgently want to locate him after the fatal stabbing of a 19-year-old in Birmingham.
00:11And we've got a heartbreaking appeal about an arson attack that stole the lives of two best friends.
00:19We're desperate for answers. We're desperate for closure.
00:22We need to grieve as a mum and we've not yet grieved properly.
00:26Stay watching for Crimewatch Live.
00:30He's been jamming the switchboard both here and at the instant.
00:33To remind you, this was the induction and reno-block campaign and the handgun debate.
00:41Hello and welcome to Crimewatch.
00:4412 people rang and giving the same offers fantastic results.
00:56Welcome to Monday's show. This is our third week of live programmes where we've been showing you appeals police really
01:03need your help to solve.
01:04So do stay watching because you might hold that one piece of information they need.
01:08Today, we've got an update on an appeal we ran last year about Ewan Corbett, a wanted face who'd gone
01:14on the run.
01:14Well, we've got the exclusive story of how his brags on social media about travelling the world helped police catch
01:20him.
01:22Corbett was an extremely dangerous man.
01:24He was on the run, living the lavish lifestyle, taunting the police.
01:29We were dealing with a very, very dangerous individual.
01:33We're also talking about the rising crime of cyber flashing and what to do if that happens to you.
01:40And we'll be in the studio with retired police dog Baloo and winner of the Crufts Hero Dog Award.
01:46Injured in the line of duty, she's now offering solace to officers on the front line.
01:52Talking at the front line, behind the scenes in our Cardiff headquarters, we are ready to take your calls.
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02:09Or email us, cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:13And details are going to stay on the screen all throughout the show.
02:18Now for our first appeal this morning, we're off to Manchester.
02:21In 2005, a deadly arson attack broke the hearts of two families.
02:26Do you know who started the fire?
02:32Rona was our younger sister.
02:36She was such a happy-goal, lucky kid.
02:40She wanted to work with children with their complex needs
02:44because she felt she had a gift with children.
02:47She took all the kids under her wing.
02:51She learnt me how to roller skate, how to ride my bike.
02:56By the time I had trouble with kids on the street, it'd be Rona or Rona.
02:59She'd be the whole thing, yeah.
03:02She was the best.
03:03She was.
03:06Don't cry, Rona.
03:07I'm so sorry.
03:09She was.
03:10She was.
03:10She was beautiful.
03:12Rona had a best friend call Vicky, who she'd met at school when they were 15 years old.
03:18Vicky was one of nine.
03:21She always helped, you know, with the children.
03:24Mum, I'll do that.
03:25Mum, can I do that?
03:28She would always make a serious situation become funny with things she'd say, you know.
03:35She was always laughing.
03:37Always laughing.
03:38Always joking.
03:45When Vicky came out to our house, you always heard them before you saw them
03:48and they would always be laughing.
03:50Yeah.
03:50Definitely.
03:51They just got on really, really well.
03:53They were the best of friends, weren't they?
03:55Always.
03:55They loved each other.
03:56Yeah.
03:57They were always together.
04:06On Monday the 9th of May 2005, Vicky and Rona were at a friend's house on King Street
04:13in Higher Broughton, Salford.
04:16There was four or five of them there.
04:20They all seemed to be having a good time apart from some squabbles.
04:25Some left about half one and then the remainder left between 2 and 3am in the morning.
04:33Leaving Vicky and Rona alone in the house.
04:36And then they went to bed upstairs.
05:00I'm sorry.
05:02No, I'm sorry.
05:03I'm sorry.
05:05No, I'm sorry.
05:07No, I'm sorry.
05:15in the early hours of the 10th of may a fire had ripped through the terrace house as vicky and
05:22rona
05:22slept around 4am that morning the fire services were alerted by neighbors they'd heard the bangs
05:28and they'd seen the fire spreading the fire ravaged through the house very quickly firefighters
05:35arrived just three minutes after receiving the 999 call and fought to rescue the inseparable teenagers
05:43from the first floor bedroom tragically rona and vicky died at the scene they were both just 19 years old
05:57vicky's mom couldn't deal with it jacqueline just couldn't hold a conversation about it
06:04because she would just start crying she was so upset that was quite traumatic really
06:17me dad was running through the house screaming it's our baby it's our baby she's gone
06:22and she's gone and then he ran up the stairs screaming she's she's gone and then him and
06:28mum cuddling each other on the bed and then all the sister looked up and stared crying
06:35the worst day of my life absolutely worst day i think that's when i saw my dad die that day
06:41part of
06:42them died
06:50police the fire service and forensic scientists work together to examine the scene to establish the
06:57cause of the fire there were two seats of fire there's no doubt that this was arson with intent
07:06to kill this was a murder inquiry we believe between about half three in the morning and 20 to 4
07:14somebody has gone into the house through the unsecured front door and set fire in two places
07:20in the foam-filled armchair and a foam-filled sofa both in the ground floor rooms of the house
07:28and because the door was left open and there was an open staircase that fueled the flames
07:35and the heat was so intense it probably got up to about a thousand degrees celsius
07:39and completely destroyed the ground floor of the house
07:45vicky and rona didn't stand a chance
07:55we lost a bit of everybody that day
07:58like i said she was the youngest girl in the family she was like the baby girl
08:05sadly rona's parents passed away never knowing who had killed their daughter
08:13vicky's mom and her dad they don't seem to be able to
08:20move on from it it's still hard it's very painful for them both
08:28nobody can fill that void where vicky used to be
08:3420 years on and despite extensive work detectives are still looking for rona and vicky's murderer
08:43we really need to get justice for vicky and rona and their families
08:49i'm convinced that someone in the circle of friends or the local community knows who did this
08:53allegiances will have changed and someone needs to look at the conscience and come forward and give us
08:58the name of the person or persons who set fire to that house and killed rona and vicky
09:07we still don't have any answers none at all
09:13there's not a day that goes by where we're not thinking about rona and so we're not there no
09:18something and we're desperate for answers we're desperate for closure
09:22we need to grieve as a mama we've not yet grieved for a player
09:28we just need peace in our life now
09:33and martin bottomly joins us from greater manchester police thanks for coming in martin two young lives
09:39lost in this tragic incident what do you think led up to that fire that night
09:45well vicky and rona were socializing with friends at the house on king street during the evening and
09:51there'd been some alcohol consumed and later on in the evening an argument broke out between one of
09:56the friends and one of the victims but over the course of the the nights early hours of the morning
10:02the friends left and about 2am vicky and rona went upstairs to bed and to sleep
10:08so how do you think the fire actually started well someone has entered the house through the
10:14insecure front door they've gone into the the ground floor living room set fire to various items of
10:21furniture and within say 10 minutes the temperature would have been about a thousand degrees the windows
10:26blew out that alerted the neighbors who then called the emergency services we can see some of the images
10:33actually of of that property as you say the windows blown out absolute destruction and devastation
10:40inside and those two young girls were upstairs asleep at the time they would have been trapped
10:46yeah they were trapped upstairs and because the door was open slightly the open staircase acted
10:51like a chimney and the smoke and flames rapidly flew upstairs so because the two young women were
11:00upstairs how do you how do you think the offender actually got in you mentioned it was possibly an
11:04insecure door yeah the house was in need of some repair and the front door was slightly open but
11:09somebody would have known that and they got in through the front door and set fire to the house
11:13and it was devastating it really is so today's appeal it's it's many years on who are you appealing
11:20to i'm appealing to somebody who would have known at the time who did it and why and perhaps they
11:25didn't
11:25come forward at the time but you know allegiances change and they need to search the con their
11:30conscience and come forward and tell us who did this do the right thing and if anyone needs another
11:36reason to come forward there's a financial reward a substantial one at that that's up on offer for
11:40this yes greater manchester police are offering 50 000 reward for information leading to the arrest
11:45and conviction of those responsible for this tragic incident martin thank you well if you do have
11:51any information at all that you believe can help this truly tragic case please do get in touch
11:59still to come this morning how a police dog who lost her leg in the line of duty
12:04became an award-winning therapy dog
12:11but first we have an urgent appeal from west midlands police about the murder
12:15of teenager chris okora who was killed just a few weeks ago in acocks green birmingham
12:20and with dci phil paul from the homicide unit now thanks so much for for coming in today
12:25what more can you tell us about this appeal phil well our major crime unit have launched a murder
12:30investigation following the fatal stabbing of a 19 year old male named chris okora
12:36we were called on the 13th of january to a multiple multiple occupancy house on warwick road in the
12:50paramedic service attended with us and sadly at 2pm chris was pronounced deceased at the scene
12:55just awful to hear this has been a fast-moving investigation for you and the team hasn't it phil
13:02it has uh we've taken a number of statements from people that witnessed what took place
13:06at the scene and we've been able to identify a 22 year old male zachariah lybird who we who is
13:13now
13:13wanted in quite in connection with questioning uh with chris's murder how would you describe this this
13:19male so uh lybird is described as uh approximately 180 centimeters tall he's of a slim build and he's
13:27got uh distinctive long uh dreadlocks or afro hair we've got some cctv that we can take a look at
13:34just talk us through what we're seeing here in this footage so significantly in the moments before chris
13:40was uh sadly murdered we've got footage of lybird on warwick road uh very close to the location of
13:47where chris sadly died and we can just see that we'll just confirm the location as you mentioned
13:52warwick road there is is on the map you believe the two men knew each other is that right yes
13:57we believe
13:57there is a connection uh prior to the offense taking place between chris and lybird um we've got a number
14:04of hypotheses that we're working through at the moment we're keeping our uh an open mind around what
14:09the circumstances and the motive are for the offense and working diligently through a number
14:13of lines of inquiry what do you know about lybird's movements since the murder so we know that lybird
14:20has been missing since the uh the day of the offense on the 13th of january uh the last sighting
14:26of
14:26lybird was on the 16th of january at st pancras train station in london where we know that he uh
14:33boarded
14:33a euro start at amsterdam and you can see in the footage here that lybird is casually walking along
14:41the uh train station platform even laughing which is quite callous considering the level of violence
14:47that he used against chris just three days prior to this offense absolutely i mean it really it's
14:51quite shocking to see really isn't it it's so cool calm and collected this has been something that
14:57understandably has absolutely devastated chris's family in fact they've paid tribute to him saying
15:04chris was only 19 years old he had his whole life ahead of him he didn't get the chance to
15:09truly
15:10explore the world and discover himself we as a community need to stand up as one and help save
15:16our young people's lives a real powerful message there how are the family coping phil well we've
15:22obviously got specialist officers supporting them but the the family are absolutely and
15:27understandably completely devastated by chris's murder um they are uh absolutely beside themselves
15:33and it's made far worse by the fact that chris hasn't been wrapped up in a life of crime prior
15:39to
15:39this offense taking place so the impact has been far worse on them for that basis for viewers that are
15:45watching this morning how can they help what are you appealing for so i'm appealing directly to anybody
15:50that knows the whereabouts of lybird to get in touch with us i'm also appealing to members of the
15:55public that may have been in the warwick road or alton boulevard area of acock screen on the 13th of
16:00january who may have dash cam footage cctv footage or ring doorbell footage that we haven't already took
16:06possession of the area is a very busy area with a heavy footfall and lots of cars passing through the
16:12area so i'm optimistic that there will be more footage out there that we can capture absolutely fingers
16:16crossed and finally there is a crime stoppers reward isn't there in connection to this case
16:21yes the independent charity crime stoppers have put a 10 000 pound reward for information leading
16:27to the arrest of lybird now that is unusual because normally we only get um rewards where it leads to
16:35the successful conviction of a person but unusually in this case it is for information leading to his
16:40arrest i do believe that members of his family may be supporting him to remain at large and i would
16:46appeal to them to do the right thing this is a young man who's lost his life and the family
16:52are going
16:52through an absolutely terrible time so anybody that knows where he is i'd appeal to them to let us know
16:58that information yeah we need answers for chris's family don't we thank you so much for joining us in
17:02the studio phil so if you do have any information about lybird's whereabouts then please do get in touch
17:09all the ways you can do that are on the screen below now how i wanted man's posts on social
17:16media
17:16about his globe trotting adventures backfired making it easier for police to stay on his tail and catch him
17:25corbett was an extremely dangerous man involved in all types of criminality he was on the run living
17:32the lavish lifestyle taunting the police they were arranging for a shooting to take place as though it
17:47was nothing on the 2nd of may 2020 a car driving at speed in north york moore's national park
17:58flipped over and landed in a field
18:07when the emergency services arrived one of the passengers 21 year old shane finn was airlifted to
18:14hospital where sadly he passed away the family of shane were extremely upset and very distressed they'd lost
18:23their son shane was also a father as well
18:30the driver was 21 year old ewan corbett he and another passenger sustained minor injuries
18:38corbett was very shocked at the scene and when members of the public arrived corbett told them to
18:44tell them that he wasn't driving the vehicle and that there was another person at the scene who had run
18:52away although corbett denied he had been the driver forensics proved otherwise
18:59he was charged with death by dangerous driving and released on bail but on the 19th of december 2022
19:08the day he was due in court he didn't show up
19:13ewan corbett became a wanted fugitive when somebody goes on the run we contact other police forces in
19:21the uk where they have lived before and if we find that they have actually left the country then we
19:28can
19:28make inquiries with ferries airports etc to see if they've gone out of the country in that way
19:37but corbett broadcast exactly where he was he posted on his social media accounts that he was in thailand
19:46and that was just the start of his adventure he would regularly brag about his trips boasting of being
19:53unstoppable he even had the audacity to call the police he was asking why they were making visits to his
20:02family and to his associates he said something like i'm not telling you where i am and if you come
20:09looking for me things might get tough for you making bail threats to police officers we were dealing with
20:17a very very dangerous individual but they weren't the only police force looking for corbett detectives
20:25in cleveland were also hunting for him after they heard a disturbing conversation between him and a
20:32local criminal they had been surveilling this was a conversation for the most part between two friends
20:38it was catching up it was conversations around ewan's life on the run and how he was enjoying
20:43himself the kind of experiences that he'd been able to have
20:49and then quite jarringly really they were arranging for a shooting to take place on a street in
20:54middlesbrough yeah bro get them windows blown out for me please mate send your phone out brad
21:01what comes across is just how thorough where the request was for you and to make as though it was
21:07nothing it was just transactional and that really was quite shocking tracing the address ewan had given for
21:15the attack police then found some alarming evidence what cctv shows is that 1am on the 25th of july 2023
21:22a quad bike pulls up outside that address
21:27with two masked males one of whom gets off the quad bike and pulls out what appears to be a
21:33shortened
21:33shotgun he attempts to fire it into the property but has some sort of difficulty a blockage of perhaps
21:39of some sort and then before getting back onto the quad bike he does successfully fire around into
21:43the downstairs window it just is aimed to fire upstairs but it encounters a second issue and at this
21:52point he gets on the back of the quad bike and they flee
21:56fortunately and i think through luck more than anything else the family were unharmed
22:04having ordered a shooting at someone's home and killing a passenger of a car he was driving
22:10detectives joined forces to hunt down this dangerous criminal he may have been on the run but he wasn't
22:18hiding some of the posts that corbett put on certainly looked like he was taunting police
22:29saying you know come and find me you'll never find me um i'll always be on the run you'll never
22:35catch me
22:37one of the posts caused me some concern there was a picture of him holding a rifle and he was
22:46at a
22:46firing range saying this is in case any badges come near me he was living the life of a gap
22:57year student
22:57not a wanted fugitive posting pictures from thailand vietnam cambodia switzerland italy and spain
23:07police believed he had even made it to the euros i thought how has he got from thailand to spain
23:14he
23:15would not have been able to get there on his own passport because his his photograph had been well
23:22disseminated to all these foreign forces he was using false identity we now have the challenge in
23:31finding exactly where ewan is on the run at this moment in time and ultimately getting him back to
23:35the uk confident he was using false papers they turned to interpol border force and launched a media
23:44campaign to flush him out he's known to have connections in middlesbrough in north yorkshire and
23:52also in spain and portugal part of the challenge was the frequency of movement the propensity to
23:59change and mix up sim cards and mobile phones the social media posts certainly helped the investigation
24:05because it really did give us a correlation of the other evidence we had and what we knew or thought
24:11we
24:11knew about his movements we knew that the net was closing in on him and we just needed that one
24:20little piece of luck to catch him and eventually it came in february 2025 turkish police arrested corbett
24:32as he tried to cross the border into iran
24:37the border guard at the iran turkey border questioned him at the scene he had a polish passport he was
24:45unable to answer the questions in polish and that is the passport that he'd been using to travel around
24:52both the eu and in southeast asia after four years of trying to locate and bring corbett to justice
25:04i knew we had our man this time 100 it was him
25:12on the 29th of may 2025 corbett was deported back to the uk
25:18and taken to york crown court where he pleaded guilty corbett was sentenced to 11 years and two
25:25months imprisonment for death by dangerous driving he was also given an extra four years for the
25:31firearm offense in cleveland i thought wow 15 years and two months is in is an extremely long sentence
25:40my colleagues in cleveland you know they fought as hard as i did to try and find him and they
25:45were as
25:46overjoyed as i was that he was finally behind bars it's a relief more than anything because
25:52you've made a commitment to that family and and to the victim uh here in cleveland that
25:58you can't escape justice and and when you do
26:01these kind of things we're going to be relentless in our pursuit of you
26:08well about now we wish he hadn't posted all those pictures about that pretend gap
26:12you what was he thinking though it's not the wisest idea that is it probably thought he didn't get
26:16caught but he was caught well we are now talking to professor of law at durham university clare mcglynn
26:23and also jess davies who has had herself experienced a crime called cyber flashing good morning to you
26:30both claire if i can just start with yourself um can you just explain what actually is cyber flashing
26:38so this is where someone takes an image or a video of their genitals or someone else's and sends it
26:46with someone to someone without their consent now it can happen in lots of different ways on email on
26:52social media dating apps but it can also be done through bluetooth and airdrops so you can be on the
26:59bus or standing in the queue for coffee and someone sends you this image without your consent it's really
27:04shocking actually just to think that this can happen at any time any place and when you look
27:10at the figures 45 of women aged between 18 and 24 years old have received a sexualized image without
27:19their consent jess this is something that you've experienced yourself firsthand isn't it it is yeah
27:24i would even imagine the figures are higher than that you know and it is something i've experienced
27:28for more than 10 years now ever since i was kind of on the internet and all of them different
27:34kind of like social media platforms i've had someone email me my work email that they found
27:38and send me these images that that's your work email as well that they use it yeah and it adds
27:43to
27:43that kind of level of the fear and the threat of like well who are these people because so much
27:47of
27:47it can be anonymous right and that kind of you start to wonder well why have they found my email
27:51like
27:52why are they sending this to me who is it could i pass them in the street do they live
27:55by me do they
27:55know who i am so it all adds into this sense of making women feel scared online absolutely that's the
28:01thing
28:01isn't it it's not just a photo when you actually think of the the far-reaching consequences that
28:06it can have on your day-to-day how it makes you feel definitely and the way that this crime
28:12works
28:12right it's on your phone you get sent it on your laptop so for me it would be like checking
28:16my social
28:17media in the morning when you're still in bed this place that's going to be your safe space and you
28:20have
28:20these people invading it and sending you something without your consent and it can really change the way
28:25you view your own home and that safety element but the way you get to let operate not just online
28:30but
28:30offline as well claire what what do you believe actually drives this type of behavior there's
28:38lots of different reasons uh for some men it is about threatening and intimidating women so it's a
28:44power over them by being able to uh interfere with their daily lives in the way that jess describes
28:51some others are doing it with a kind of disregard frankly they'll send out a hundred messages and
28:57just hope that one or two women respond without caring about the the impact they have on others
29:03we also got to think about you know groups of young teenage boys sometimes they're doing it because
29:08they're pressured to you know it's about gaining the kudos in in that group so in that sense again it's
29:14got
29:14little regard for the women but they're trying to do it as a kind of bonding exercise
29:19and what can be done to to stop it we just heard it can often be anonymous so it must
29:24be quite tricky
29:25what can be done well it is now a crime so if uh you can report it to the police
29:31if this happens to
29:32you now you're right that often it's anonymous so sometimes it can be difficult to trace those
29:37individuals but that's not impossible if we've got some commitment and drive to to follow through on this
29:43uh the platforms could be doing more uh to to try and uh prevent these images being shared in the
29:49first place but ultimately yes we've got to try and change our kind of culture and attitude so that
29:54people just don't think it's acceptable to send these kind of images well you talk about changing
29:59culture and attitude as you say claire that that is pivotal really so important because as it stands at
30:06the moment when you discuss this kind of topic it still feels just that there is a lot of victim
30:11blaming victim shaming around it doesn't it absolutely i mean every single time i speak
30:16about this i'll get people saying well why did you open that message why did you open the email i've
30:21never experienced that what have you done to try and get that oh you have social media so this is
30:25just what happens online and it's this victim blaming and normalizing of these behaviors that it
30:30just brushes it off but you know i always say if we were seeing these kind of behaviors out on
30:34the street
30:35every street corner you see someone was there exposing themselves we would talk about it like an epidemic
30:40you know we'd have women being too scared to go outside or parents telling their children to stay
30:44in but because it's online it's kind of downplayed it's not so serious but of course you know these
30:49people that are doing it they're real people you know they do exist on the offline world as well and
30:53for me it's that sense of well if they think that behavior is okay we need to start worrying about
30:57well what happens when that isn't enough for them is there a correlation between something more
31:01serious in the future exactly i mean claire you were just nodding your head there that's a really
31:05interesting point isn't it what comes next after this initial behavior which is indeed worrying
31:12you know what what could happen after that well we do know that some of the the most violent uh
31:20men
31:21have cyber flashed and exposed themselves in the past so we know that it can be a pattern of offending
31:27for some very uh serious and violent offenders but the thing is for for each and every woman we don't
31:33know which of the people who are sending us these images is going to be that exceptionally violent
31:39person so every single time we get sent the image we feel the fear and the threat of what is
31:45going to
31:45happen next what will they do next and sometimes it's even who is that person you know you can be
31:51on the
31:51bus or the or the tube and you don't know who it is who sent you the image are they
31:56going to follow
31:57you and what's going to happen next so yes it can be a pattern of offending but for individual women
32:02every single one is the threat yeah it really is and and claire finally would you advise that that
32:09people still report these things it is now a crime would you would that be your suggestion
32:14so it very much depends on each individual not everyone wants to go to the police and report this
32:20as a crime but if you choose to yes do it is a crime and we must make sure the
32:25police are taking
32:26this far more seriously and there are a large number of convictions now for this offense and
32:32a younger a younger girl particularly a teenager i definitely want her to be talking to a trusted
32:37adult and speaking to the school to make sure that this is being dealt with properly in a school as
32:42well and you can report it to the platforms block those people but report it so that maybe action can
32:48get taken against them yeah fantastic advice thank you really good advice thank you claire and thank
32:53you jess for sharing now our regular viewers will know we do cover some of the worst crimes in the
32:59country but we also want to shine a light don't we on the amazing people fighting to make our
33:04communities just that little bit better and there are thousands of them out there there are so many
33:09here's another example of one of those channeling their energy into making things a little bit
33:14happier my name's joel i run an organization called paradigm project and i'm also a researcher and i look
33:24at issues around school exclusion i do a lot of work in primary schools and secondary schools
33:31i actually served a custodial sentence and it was during that time that i became acutely aware of
33:39the privileges that i had i was able to see some of the things that i had or had experienced
33:46that
33:46was very different to the people around me i did a mentoring qualification in prison and started
33:52working in the education department mentoring basic maths and english there is an over representation
33:58in prison of people that have been excluded permanently excluded from education school
34:04exclusion can lead to those harmful trajectories which can end up in criminal justice involvement
34:13one of the most profound experiences for me after leaving prison was briefly working in a trauma unit
34:20in a hospital working directly with the victims of knife crime and the amount of young people that
34:26were coming through really is what made me feel like something needs to be done to stop them from
34:31getting here in the first place and that's what really led to me founding paradigm project because
34:35i wanted to create a paradigm shift in the way that we tackle complex youth issues
34:41the focus of today is obviously moving from primary to secondary school you guys are going to get to
34:48learn from the children and also they're going to get to learn from you guys so today is about you
34:52it's about hearing from you there's no right or wrong answers paradigm project started its focus working
34:58on early educational transitions right from early years into primary school so we can pick up some of
35:05those issues and and actually support families and children and schools in producing healthier children
35:12throughout that journey we're going to run an activity harley called friendship suit and this is a really fun
35:21exercise that we do um to explore what are the ingredients of a successful friendship or a healthy
35:29friendship okay one handful of happiness two spoons of trust five hours of respect one spoon of curiosity
35:38we've spoken about um what makes a good friend and to not be in a bad group of your friends
35:46we had a lot of
35:47fun looking at things like good communication fun laughter a shoulder to cry on there's also things
35:55that you'd have in friendships such as being yourself and being able to speak to each other openly and
36:00opinionated without being judged it's very useful to do this all together because most children don't
36:06like having like deep conversations with their parents so the fact that we've got to do it in
36:12like a good way that's showing our collaboration was really good the ultimate goal of the work that
36:20we're doing through paradigm project is to work in a more preventative way so that we can increase the
36:28life opportunities of children that might otherwise be classified as disadvantaged we want to empower schools
36:35and services to be able to engage with their students this work is about being positively disruptive in
36:43the education space doing things differently to what they've been done previously this is about
36:48building systems that don't wait for crisis before they respond
36:54it really is fantastic work that joel's doing there it just puts a smile on your face doesn't it
36:59now a recent survey from the dogs trust revealed that 95 percent of people agree that having a dog
37:05is good for their mental health and our next guests demonstrate this beautifully with former met dog
37:11handler mandy chapman and her retired police dog baloo who was injured in the line of duty it's such
37:17a pleasure to have you with us this morning thank you so much for coming in we've got to talk
37:22more
37:22about beautiful balloon i mean she's so calm this morning but as we just mentioned there she lost her
37:28front leg didn't she it what what happened how did she become injured well blue is a general purpose
37:33police dog with essex police um and unfortunately in october 2018 she tracked her some suspects but
37:39was then hit by the car so everybody sees the visible disability but the more serious injury was the
37:45pelvis was smashed so that's all been rebuilt with metal metal rods into both back legs to give her
37:50strength we we thought we were going to lose her i mean we can see her here bless her so
37:54is this what mid
37:55didn't amidst mid operation absolutely yeah she'd had the work on the uh pelvis to replace uh a lot
38:01of the bones with metal and the following day um immediately took away the front right leg because
38:06that had just not had any oxygen was too badly damaged oh she's missing her front leg as you can
38:12see there but still a very very happy dog how did you guys come to to work together mandy well
38:18i'm a
38:19retired met police dog handler i work for german shepherds and when i retired obviously at a very young age
38:23i um started volunteering with essex police saw her working she was phenomenal and when she was
38:28injured i offered the handler that i would give her a nice quiet retirement which hasn't worked out
38:32i am pa and chauffeur um but yes what i wanted to do when i took her on was to
38:38go and meet the our
38:39heroes in headsets in the control room and other officers and staff that heard the call she wasn't
38:44expected to survive it is incredible she has survived and that started off the visits we have been
38:49everywhere since then and what we notice is how people you know really feel better officers and
38:55staff know i've been in the police a long time they can talk to me we've helped uh people including
39:00children get over incidents where they may have been bitten by a dog or afraid of dogs she just has
39:05that way so exactly how does it work then or does it does it change depending on the type of
39:11you know
39:11organization or area that you're going to is it is it a case of actually just sitting there and spending
39:17time with people it is um i mean we obviously primary role is supporting police officers and
39:22staff and other agencies with well-being but we also visit care homes and we visit schools cub scouts
39:29we've even been a kindergarten with three-year-olds and they just adored her yeah what what kind of
39:33impact would you say that people spending time with baloo and yourself can can have what do you see
39:40just the way she can she can look at somebody or pick somebody out in the classroom or
39:44in a care home or even on a busy relief of officers um she would there be no outward sign
39:49but she will make a beeline for them the poor goes up and the eyes and um she just really
39:54knows who
39:55needs that extra attention a bit of affection and they know they can talk to me yes and i remember
40:01when we were talking earlier mandy you saying actually you wish you know you would have been
40:04able to have this kind of thing during your time oh i do i was a police officer who served
40:09for over
40:0930 years front line we see the worst things yeah um and we carry that with us we've lost too
40:14many
40:14officers and staff to suicide and having mental health issues that some force them to leave the
40:19force or carry that weight with them and we just are able and we've had feedback from people very
40:25quietly that we've really helped them and that that's just fantastic to think your dog's doing that
40:30and how happy she is doing it yeah well you can tell i mean she always had this temperament just
40:34so
40:34chilled uh she's a lively police dog but she's absolutely amazing to say with older people we
40:40visit send schools and they absolutely love her and she just loves fast yeah well she loves live
40:45telly as well she is just kicking back having a lovely time we've got to mention the award that
40:50baloo won was this last year slashes she is the hero dog 2025 at crafts and she was awarded by
40:57kennel club the extraordinary life of a working dog she's a show-off um but the wonderful thing
41:02about that is the winner um obviously we had over 120 000 votes by the weekend did you we visit
41:08a lot
41:08of schools and a lot of forces a lot of fans then but uh the best thing is you win
41:12five thousand pounds
41:13which i donated to the essex retired police dog fund who kindly voluntarily look after our retired police
41:19dogs in essex that's fantastic that will help a lot of other dogs that quietly retire so just paying
41:24it back i mean you know what so just to see this relationship mandy between you and baloo it must
41:31feel very special she's amazing it's an honor and a privilege to share her i love it and while she's
41:36enjoying it we'll keep going yeah absolutely well it's been it's been a privilege to have you in the
41:41studio she's put smiles on so many people's faces behind the scenes as well here today so thank you so
41:47much for taking the time thanks baloo grab well done baloo and michelle and baloo are totally having
41:56a cuddle right now i can guarantee you now though it is time for the first of this week's wanted
42:00faces
42:04first have you seen chris bailey here sometimes he uses the name paul burkton he's been recalled to
42:10prison where he was serving a sentence for reckless driving he's 42 has connections to maidstone in kent
42:16and may be recognized due to a number of scars on his hands and legs next we've got hamza fade
42:23he
42:23was sentenced for robbery and has now been recalled to prison for breaching the conditions of his
42:28license he's 31 has connections to hull and also london and last for this morning do you recognize
42:34this guy this is 26 year old jacob smith he was jailed for three years and six months for handling
42:39stolen goods and later released but he has failed to stick to his conditions and has been recalled back
42:45to prison police say he has links to carlisle in cumbria and also morcombe and blackpool in lancashire
42:52so if you know the whereabouts of any of those men please do call us on 08000 468 999 and
42:59i'm afraid
43:00we've run out of time for today but remember you can watch the whole series so far on iplayer it's
43:05all
43:06there and do check out our sister series which is crime watch court that's there also yes it's very
43:10good tomorrow it's a nail-biting rescue mission for police as they race to save a woman from drowning
43:17in a car
43:26it's terrifying it's so scary isn't it well that's on tomorrow uh lots more as well 10 45 same time
43:32bye for now see you
43:33you
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