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Crimewatch Roadshow - Season 23 - Episode 04: Killer on the Loose
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00:27Good morning and thank you for joining us.
00:29And a very warm welcome to Steph McGovern back again.
00:33Thank you very much, Rav. It is lovely to be here.
00:36We've got a jam-packed show for you today as well,
00:38so do stay watching if you have any information about our appeals.
00:43Get in touch as your calls really do make a difference.
00:46Coming up, a smash and grab in a Bristol jewellery shop.
00:50You know the people taking a five-finger discount.
00:55We have an appeal from the family of Armand Shakur.
00:58The 16-year-old was killed back in 2018,
01:01but his family still need to know what happened.
01:06We're still baffled, you know, why did this happen?
01:09Who did it? Why would they want to do it?
01:12What could a 16-year-old have done, which was so bad, to be shot in the face?
01:18We will also be hearing how a grisly discovery made by an urban explorer
01:23led to a full-scale murder investigation in Scotland.
01:28I've seen many dead bodies in my career, but never one in this condition.
01:35We didn't know who the person was, and we didn't know if the person had been murdered.
01:42And we're talking about the creepy rise in covert filming of women on nights out.
01:47Now, they have no idea they're being recorded,
01:50and yet paid-up subscribers are able to watch them online.
01:54Some of those clips have been viewed literally millions of times.
01:58As ever, the officers and our team are here in our studio in the heart of Cardiff,
02:02ready to take your calls, and there are plenty of ways you can get in touch.
02:06Yes, there are. You can scan the QR code below using your phone's camera
02:10and then follow the link, or you can call us on 08000 468 999.
02:16You can text us on 63399, start with the word CRIME,
02:21leave a space, and then write your text, or email us, cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:28And those details will be on your screen throughout the programme, just down by the clock.
02:32Now, let's start with a really positive update on the murder of 35-year-old Jennifer Keeley
02:39that we featured several times before on Crimewatch.
02:43Now, we spoke to her mum back in 2021.
02:47I raised a perfect child. She was sweet, loving, giving, ambitious.
02:55She was a nice girl, very nice girl, very pretty.
02:59She was a very good kid.
03:01That's why it's so hard to take this in, that she's no longer with us.
03:06You know, that's the hard part.
03:10Gosh, you can see the pin etched on her face there.
03:13Well, in January 2005, her body was discovered near the seafront in Hollywell in Eastbourne.
03:19Jennifer, who lived on the streets at the time, had an injury to the back of her head,
03:24had been stabbed, and her body had been set on fire.
03:28It really was a gruesome attack, which police believed had been sexually motivated.
03:33At the time, some DNA had been recovered from a cigarette butt that was found at the scene.
03:37It contained a full DNA profile of a man, which matched a sample found on Jennifer's body.
03:43But unfortunately, it didn't throw up any matches on the national databases at the time.
03:48Then, in 2018, Sussex police had a major breakthrough using a familial DNA strategy.
03:54They identified a list of names, but it was in the thousands.
03:57So they then meticulously worked through each name,
04:01and in 2024, were able to whittle it down to a suspect called Keith Dowbeckin.
04:07Now, he also used the alias Keith Black and Keith Broadbent.
04:11He was originally from the north-west of England,
04:13but police were able to confirm that he had stayed in Eastbourne several times
04:18and that he associated with members of the homeless community.
04:21They also discovered that Dowbeckin had actually been arrested by police in Norfolk
04:26in connection to two separate rape offences.
04:30That was in Great Yarmouth in 2003 and 2004.
04:33So this was just a short time before Jennifer's murder.
04:37At the time, his DNA was taken, but because he was eliminated as a suspect,
04:42it wasn't stored on the database.
04:44But now police are certain that he was responsible for killing Jennifer Keeley.
04:50However, he died in 2014 at the age of 60, having never faced justice for this awful crime.
04:56Now, Jennifer's family issued a tribute to her, saying,
05:00Our mum was more than her struggles.
05:03She was a gentle, funny and creative soul.
05:06After 20 years, my family and I are grateful for the resolution of her case
05:11and for the hard work of those who never gave up.
05:14I hope her story encourages compassion for those experiencing homelessness
05:19and the stigma surrounding mental health.
05:23A heartfelt tribute there.
05:25And now we have another one for our first appeal.
05:28This is from the family of 16-year-old Aman Shakur,
05:31who went out one night and simply never came home again.
05:35As you can imagine, this film has some strong images.
05:40Your mind is just numb.
05:42You can't actually believe something like this could ever happen to your child.
05:53In April 2018, schoolboy Aman Shakur was living at home with his family in Walthamstow.
06:04He was a regular young 16-year-old.
06:08He was finding himself.
06:09He was finding his personality, what it was all about, what he wanted to do.
06:13He used to love going out with his friends.
06:16And he just came across as a lovely boy.
06:26On the evening of 2nd of April 2018,
06:30Aman received a phone call from one of his friends,
06:34asking him to come out.
06:36Aman said,
06:37look, I'm tired now.
06:39But his friend insisted.
06:46Aman cycled to Walthamstow Leisure Centre.
06:51We know that he had at least three friends present,
06:54but there are other people close by that he may know or may not have been aware of,
06:59but there was a slightly larger group.
07:01Just before 10 p.m., a white Hyundai pulled up near the group.
07:09Two people have got out of that car.
07:12One has a large machete.
07:17And one has a shotgun.
07:30A man was shot, once in the arm and once in the face.
07:34Then the attackers turned their attention to the rest of the group.
07:38A friend of his has been attacked very violently with a machete.
07:44After this very brutal and very quick attack,
07:47they have then fled the scene.
07:56The gunman was captured fleeing on CCTV.
08:04The white Hyundai was later found burnt out.
08:10I had a feeling inside me that something wasn't right.
08:13Without telling anybody, I picked up my car keys
08:16and I just got into the car and just started driving.
08:20And when I got to the bottom of Abba Road,
08:24the area was cordoned off with blue tape.
08:27My nephew happened to be there at the time.
08:29And then he told me, he said,
08:31Aman's being shot.
08:34He said, I'm not going to be there at the time.
08:35Obviously, I just sort of froze in shock
08:37because I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
08:42One minute, he's at home having his meal
08:45and then next minute he gets called out and this happens.
08:50Just beyond comprehension.
08:53Overnight, surgeons fought to save Aman's life.
08:59We had a feeling
09:01that it wasn't good.
09:03However, you know, you kind of, you live in hope.
09:08On the following day,
09:12I remember it was 2.30 in the afternoon.
09:15The surgeons told us
09:17that it was too late, basically,
09:21that nothing could be done.
09:22That was one of the most hardest things
09:25that I've ever lived through.
09:30We couldn't believe this was happening to us.
09:32You know, I was just hoping it's a bad dream
09:34and we're just going to wake up
09:35and it will all be over.
09:39At 2.30, Aman's life support was turned off.
09:45Aman was a very strong boy.
09:47From 2.30 to 5.45pm that afternoon,
09:57he managed to survive on his own.
10:01It was 5.45pm that day
10:06when he passed away.
10:12Your life changes permanently.
10:19With a 16-year-old schoolboy dead,
10:22police are bewildered
10:24as to what may have been the motive
10:26for this apparently senseless crime.
10:29Aman happened to be talking to people
10:31or associating with people on that evening
10:34who may have been the target.
10:36And so the pure motive
10:38has never really been established.
10:42We're still baffled, you know,
10:44why did this happen?
10:45Who did it?
10:45Why would they want to do it?
10:48What could a 16-year-old have done,
10:51which was so bad,
10:53to be shot in the face?
10:59You've actually taken it upon yourself
11:02to take someone's life,
11:05given a lifetime of grief and misery
11:08to a family who you don't even know.
11:12Almost eight years on from the murder,
11:15Aman's killer remains at large.
11:18I believe that there are people who are present
11:21who know who have committed this murder
11:22and we really need them to come forward
11:25and tell us what they know
11:26so that we're able to progress this
11:28for Aman's family.
11:33The one thing which would give us
11:36a little bit of peace in our hearts
11:39would be some form of justice.
11:42One day, I'm confident that justice will prevail.
11:49I'm now with Detective Superintendent Kelly Allen
11:51from the Met Police,
11:52who you saw from the film there.
11:54Kelly, this is such an incredibly sad case
11:57and we can see the pain on the family.
11:59How are they doing now?
12:00I know you and your team have been dealing with them.
12:02Yeah, they are still devastated.
12:04They're as devastated as they were
12:05nearly eight years ago.
12:06They are absolutely determined, though,
12:08to get justice for Aman, as are we.
12:11Yeah, I hope we can do exactly that today
12:13and help towards it.
12:14Tell us a little bit about Aman there,
12:16that young 16-year-old.
12:17Yeah, so he had his whole life ahead of him.
12:1916-year-old, quite quiet.
12:21He liked to spend time with his family,
12:23his friends, his games console.
12:25You know, just a regular kid
12:27who had his future ahead of him.
12:30Yeah, just a typical 16-year-old.
12:32Tell us the events that we know
12:34that happened that night then.
12:35Let's recap what occurred.
12:37Yeah, so he was at home
12:37with his family in Walthamstow.
12:39He was having some food,
12:41playing on his games console.
12:42And we know that one of his friends
12:44has asked him to come out
12:45and he has reluctantly agreed.
12:47He didn't really want to go.
12:48It was quite late.
12:49This was happening between
12:50sort of nine and half past nine.
12:52But unfortunately,
12:53he did agree to go and meet his friend.
12:56And he leaves his house on his bike
12:58and goes to Walthamstow Leisure Centre,
13:00which is in Mark House Road.
13:02He's there with his friends,
13:03small group of people.
13:05And a car approaches,
13:07three people in the car,
13:09two people get out.
13:10And there is a violent attack
13:11in which he's shot twice.
13:13And his friend is violently attacked
13:16with a large machete
13:17before the suspects make off very quickly.
13:20Absolutely horrific.
13:22And what do you know
13:23about what happened after the attack?
13:26Yeah, so they very quickly flee the scene
13:28in a white Hyundai
13:29and they go down Mark House Road.
13:32That vehicle is,
13:33as you can see here,
13:34is travelling down.
13:36So we managed to find that vehicle
13:38in Durban Road,
13:39where it was burnt out.
13:41OK, now the footage,
13:42it's not the clearest,
13:43which is often the case,
13:44as you as detectives have to deal with.
13:46But you've managed to get enough information
13:48to see what type of vehicle
13:49that would have been.
13:50And here we can see it here.
13:51So what's this?
13:52Yeah, so it's a white Hyundai iX35.
13:56This was stolen a couple of days
13:57before the murder.
13:58So we're really trying to understand
14:00what their vehicle was before.
14:01And also we know that it was burnt out
14:03in Durban Road.
14:04So who saw that
14:05if they could come forward?
14:07Could be crucial information.
14:08Now, there's another piece of CCTV
14:09that you provided us here.
14:11Just talk us through
14:12what we can see here.
14:13This is just really shocking footage.
14:15It shows the suspect
14:16who was shot and killed a man
14:17running down the street
14:19with a loaded shotgun.
14:21Yeah, we can actually see it in his hands.
14:24Clearly a firearm there.
14:26And this is literally after the incident.
14:28Now, it's not the clearest image.
14:30Again, it's often what you have to work with.
14:32But is there any description
14:33you could give of the person here?
14:35So the three people really are involved.
14:37All very dark clothing.
14:38One with white trainers.
14:40It's more who knows these people
14:42that are responsible
14:43rather than trying to identify them
14:45from the footage.
14:46Yeah, such an awful attack there.
14:49And just seeing the fact
14:49he's got that shotgun
14:50or some sort of firearm
14:52certainly in his hands as well.
14:53Now, there is a reward
14:55that has been put up.
14:57A substantial one at that
14:58for information that leads to the arrest
15:00and conviction of the killer or killers.
15:02Tell us about that.
15:03Yeah, so Oman's family
15:04have come together
15:06and managed to obtain £50,000
15:08for the successful arrest
15:10and prosecution
15:11of those responsible for his murder.
15:13And they are absolutely determined
15:15to get justice for Oman
15:16and as are the Met Police.
15:18If we just need new information,
15:20we need people to come forward
15:21and give us new lines of inquiry
15:23so that we can progress it
15:24and get them that justice.
15:25You say there it's a massive amount of money
15:27that the family themselves have put up
15:29but you as the police,
15:30you want answers for this.
15:31I mean, Kelly, on a personal level,
15:33you've moved jobs
15:34and you still wanted to come here
15:36and do this appeal
15:36because you're passionate
15:37about getting answers for them.
15:38Yeah, I think we want to solve every murder
15:40and this family have been waiting
15:42for eight years,
15:43eight years too long for the answers
15:45and we really need this appeal
15:47with the reward
15:48to get us those new lines of inquiries
15:50so that the team can progress
15:52this murder investigation.
15:53And if anyone is really scared
15:55about giving you the information,
15:56there's even things that the Met
15:57could do to help with that.
15:59Yeah, absolutely.
15:59And I fully understand
16:00why people might be scared.
16:01This is a shooting
16:02but there are absolutely special measures
16:05that we can give people
16:06to protect them if they come forward
16:08but also they can give
16:09that information anonymously.
16:10We just need those leads
16:12to progress it for his family.
16:14Kelly, thank you.
16:15And if you know anything
16:15that could help solve this murder,
16:17the number to call is 08000 468 999.
16:20Other ways to get in touch
16:21are on your screen below.
16:24Well, now we've got an urgent appeal
16:26from Irvon and Somerset Police
16:28about a smash and grab theft.
16:30Now, this happened
16:30on the 19th of December
16:32at 12.55 in the afternoon.
16:35So, three men made their way
16:37into a jewellery studio
16:38on East Street
16:39in the Bedminster area of Bristol.
16:41We've got some footage
16:42to show you of the CCTV
16:43of what happened.
16:45So, you can see here
16:46the lads going in there.
16:47One man stayed on the door
16:49acting as a lookout
16:51whilst two other men
16:52entered a shop
16:53and used a hammer
16:54to break open
16:55one of the display cabinets
16:57where they were then
16:58went on to steal
16:59multiple items of jewellery.
17:02Now, a staff member,
17:02as you can see,
17:03does attempt to challenge them
17:04then backs off
17:06when he sees
17:07one of the suspects
17:08holding a hammer.
17:09The person on the lookout
17:11actually pushes
17:12one of the thieves
17:13back into the shop
17:14to steal even more jewellery
17:16and police are particularly keen
17:18to identify this man
17:20who was part of the group.
17:22So, you can see there
17:23he's described
17:23as a white male
17:25estimated to be
17:26around five foot six.
17:27He's wearing this
17:28distinctive hooded jacket
17:29and just to point out
17:31we haven't blurred his face.
17:33That's actually
17:33a face covering
17:35that he's wearing there.
17:37Now, police are also
17:38looking for the items
17:39that were stolen.
17:40You can see some of them here.
17:41There's various
17:42bespoke pieces
17:43including some
17:44very distinctive
17:45necklaces, pendants
17:47and bracelets.
17:49Now, you can see
17:50the full array
17:50of jewellery
17:51on our website
17:52so have a good look
17:53at them.
17:54Now, this happened
17:55in the run-up to Christmas
17:57and so it wiped out
17:58a lot of this
17:59small business' stock
18:00which they estimate
18:02had a value
18:03of just over
18:04four and a half grand.
18:05I mean, that is a big hit
18:06for a small business
18:07to take.
18:08So, do you recognise
18:09this man
18:09or have you seen
18:10any of those items
18:12of jewellery for sale?
18:14Get in touch
18:14if you know it.
18:15Anything that could help.
18:16Our contact details
18:17are on your screen now.
18:20Now, our next film
18:21takes us to Scotland
18:22where the sad discovery
18:24of some unidentified remains
18:26send detectives
18:27on the hunt
18:28for a killer.
18:32I've seen many dead bodies
18:35in my career
18:35but never one
18:37in this condition.
18:40The person
18:41who'd driven
18:41that vehicle
18:42had been the person
18:43that had taken
18:44the body to the unit.
18:47Having to release him
18:48knowing that this
18:49was our man
18:50it was a very
18:51frustrating day.
19:0127th of September
19:022020.
19:06An enthusiast
19:07was exploring
19:08a derelict industrial unit
19:10near Edinburgh Airport
19:13when he made
19:15a gruesome discovery.
19:17The initial 999 call
19:19which kicked off
19:20this case
19:20came from
19:21an urban explorer
19:22who was
19:24exploring
19:25the abandoned units.
19:28They'd found
19:29what they were
19:30describing
19:30as a human skeleton.
19:35I obviously
19:36had to go in
19:36to the scene itself
19:37and see
19:38what we were
19:39dealing with
19:39and I have to say
19:40I was quite shocked.
19:43I've seen
19:44many dead bodies
19:45in my career
19:46but
19:47never one
19:48in this condition.
19:52It appeared to me
19:53to be
19:53a deceased
19:54human
19:55who was
19:56skeletonised
19:57with evidence
19:57of what appeared
19:58to be mummified
19:59skin on
20:00certain parts
20:01of the body.
20:04I couldn't tell
20:05whether it was
20:05a man
20:06or a woman
20:06and I couldn't tell
20:07what age
20:08the person was
20:09and to my
20:11untrained eye
20:12it looked like
20:13it had been
20:13in that position
20:14and in that place
20:15for many years.
20:20We didn't know
20:21who the person was
20:22and we didn't know
20:23if the person
20:24had been murdered
20:25or if this was
20:26a natural death.
20:30Every square inch
20:31around the site
20:32of the body
20:32had to be photographed
20:34and recorded
20:35before it was moved.
20:37The examination
20:38of this scene
20:39was really pretty complex
20:40and it took
20:41pretty much
20:42a full month.
20:44There was no need
20:44to get the body out
20:45quickly to risk
20:46destroying evidence.
20:47We didn't know
20:48if it was a homicide
20:49but we treated it
20:50as if it was
20:50a homicide
20:51from the outset
20:52to make sure
20:53that we gave it
20:54a gold standard
20:54forensic approach.
20:57Before the body
20:59was removed
20:59on the 1st of October
21:00detectives called
21:02on the help
21:02of forensic soil scientist
21:04Lorna Dawson.
21:06There was an area
21:07of dark mulch
21:09staining
21:10which she was
21:11quite interested in
21:12and when she
21:14analysed them
21:14told us that
21:15the body
21:16had most probably
21:17been moved
21:18into the cupboard
21:19sometime after death.
21:25This threw up
21:26more questions.
21:28Why had the body
21:29been moved there
21:29and how long
21:31had it been there?
21:33The police
21:34were considering
21:35that the body
21:36had likely been there
21:37about 10 years.
21:39All the chemistry
21:40that we were analysing
21:42was really pointing
21:43to a much shorter
21:45time period
21:46than that.
21:46Certainly less
21:47than a year.
21:51we were able
21:51to look at
21:52the samples
21:53that were found
21:54under the body
21:56I could see
21:57these little mites
21:58crawling about
21:59in the sample.
22:00So a colleague
22:01of mine
22:01could then
22:02take those samples
22:03and from the
22:04biology of that
22:06mite
22:06work out even
22:07closer
22:08how long
22:09that body
22:09had been there
22:10and they could
22:11identify that
22:12that body
22:13had been there
22:13for a period
22:13of 9 months
22:15maximum.
22:18So what that
22:19information did
22:20was allow
22:22Police Scotland
22:22to then look
22:24at people
22:25that had perhaps
22:26gone missing
22:26very recently.
22:30Their evidence
22:31was really,
22:32really crucial
22:32in allowing us
22:34to kind of
22:35focus the timeline
22:36roughly autumn,
22:37winter of 2019
22:38in an effort
22:39to identify
22:39who the person
22:40was.
22:42The post-mortem
22:44examination
22:44couldn't confirm
22:45a cause of death
22:46due to the
22:47decomposition
22:49but it established
22:50the body
22:51recovered
22:51was male.
22:53Investigators
22:54then sent
22:54scans and images
22:55of the man
22:56to an expert
22:57who created
22:58a likeness.
23:01Police have
23:02released a facial
23:02reconstruction
23:03of a man
23:04whose remains
23:04were found
23:05in Fife
23:06two months ago.
23:06Today the detective
23:08leading the inquiry
23:09unveiled this image.
23:10It's been created
23:11by specialists
23:12at Liverpool
23:12John Moores University.
23:14I'm confident
23:15that it's close enough
23:16to the likeness
23:18of this man
23:18that if somebody
23:19knew him
23:19and they saw
23:20this image
23:21then they would
23:21be able to
23:22recognise him.
23:24Within hours
23:25of that going
23:26live in the news
23:28we had a phone call
23:29into the incident room
23:30who suggested
23:31that the male
23:32resembled
23:33Ian Coots.
23:39And when familial
23:40DNA tests
23:41were conducted
23:42detectives
23:43were able to
23:44confirm
23:44he was the victim.
23:47Ian Coots
23:48lived in a
23:49flat in
23:50King Lassie
23:51in just a short
23:52distance from
23:53where his body
23:54was found.
24:00That was a huge
24:01moment in the inquiry
24:02we now knew
24:03who the victim
24:05was
24:05and we could
24:06start to
24:07really look
24:08into his life.
24:09The victimology
24:10as we call it
24:11is an old saying
24:13in the police
24:14that if you can
24:14find out
24:15how somebody
24:15lived
24:15you'll find out
24:17how they died.
24:21Ian Coots
24:22was 61 years old
24:24and he was
24:24an army veteran.
24:26He was
24:27quite vulnerable.
24:28He was liked
24:29in the village
24:30liked to drink
24:31and he liked
24:31to socialise
24:32with his friends
24:32but he didn't
24:33cause anybody
24:34any harm
24:35and he was
24:36really a man
24:36of routine
24:37and you know
24:38that routine
24:39had come to
24:40an abrupt end
24:41and it was
24:42actually quite sad
24:43that nobody
24:44really flagged it up
24:45that Ian
24:46had disappeared.
24:49Detectives
24:50discovered
24:50Ian Coots'
24:51council flat
24:52had been treated
24:52as abandoned
24:53new tenants
24:54had moved in
24:55and decorated
24:55so there was
24:56little hope
24:57of any
24:57forensic evidence
24:58but his neighbours
25:00provided valuable
25:01insight into
25:02Ian's life.
25:03And they were
25:04able to give us
25:05an account
25:05of his movements
25:07right up until
25:08September of 2019
25:09and there was
25:11an individual
25:12who was
25:13at Ian's house
25:15on a regular basis.
25:18A much younger male
25:20who was carrying
25:21out some
25:21sort of DIY
25:22and decorating work
25:25and once
25:26Ian went missing
25:28this individual
25:28appeared to be
25:29still attending
25:31at the house
25:32on a regular basis.
25:35This individual
25:36definitely had a
25:36story to tell
25:37in relation to
25:38Ian's disappearance.
25:43You can find out
25:44exactly who
25:45that decorator was
25:46and what part
25:47he played
25:47in Ian Coots'
25:48disappearance
25:48later on
25:50in the programme.
25:51Now you might
25:52have seen in the news
25:53about the two
25:53journalists who
25:54uncovered a group
25:55of men
25:56covertly filming
25:57women on
25:58nights out
25:58and then posting
25:59that footage
26:00for profit.
26:01Now it's not a
26:02crime but I mean
26:03it's really creepy
26:04and very questionable
26:05isn't it?
26:05To say the least.
26:07Well we're now
26:07with Shona Elliott
26:08who was part of
26:09that undercover
26:10investigation and
26:11Anna Rose
26:11who was actually
26:12filmed without
26:13her knowledge.
26:15Good morning to you
26:15both.
26:16Shona if I just
26:16start with you
26:17what spurred you
26:18on to be part of
26:19this investigation
26:20in the first place?
26:21So I started
26:22seeing nightlife
26:23walking tours
26:24posted online
26:25and these videos
26:26they claim to be
26:27documenting the
26:27nightlife in big
26:28party areas
26:29but what they're
26:30actually doing
26:31is filming women
26:32often in very
26:33vulnerable
26:34circumstances
26:34and what I
26:36noticed about
26:37this footage
26:37is that none of
26:38the women looked
26:39like they knew
26:39they were being
26:40filmed so it
26:41looked like it
26:41was being gathered
26:42covertly.
26:43So I started
26:44gathering every
26:44account I came
26:45across and quite
26:46quickly had 65
26:47accounts that were
26:48posting this footage
26:49footage and
26:50between them
26:50they had a
26:51viewership of
26:52more than
26:523 billion.
26:53Wow.
26:54Gosh that's
26:55loads isn't it
26:55and it's such a
26:56violation and
26:57we've got some
26:58of the footage
26:58haven't we to
26:59show that you
27:00collected because
27:01there's as you
27:02say loads of
27:02these videos and
27:03can you just tell
27:04us a bit about
27:04that why are
27:05there so many
27:06of these?
27:06So what our
27:07investigation found
27:08is it seems that
27:09it all comes back
27:10to money so most
27:11of the accounts
27:12I identified
27:12monetize their
27:13content in some
27:14way either through
27:15ad revenue or
27:16different subscription
27:17models.
27:17So one account
27:18we identified it
27:20offers the chance
27:20to pay £3 a
27:22month and then
27:22you get access
27:23to different and
27:24new content or
27:25you can do a
27:25one-off payment
27:26of £400 and
27:28actually choose the
27:29location that they
27:29film in.
27:31Now I've taken all
27:32of this information
27:33to the University
27:34of Surrey and
27:34experts there told
27:35me that people
27:38could be making
27:38hundreds and
27:39thousands of
27:40pounds by posting
27:41this footage.
27:41It's just a whole
27:43this.
27:44This is staggering
27:45hearing that people
27:47can make money
27:47from this sort
27:48of thing.
27:48And Anna Rose,
27:50you seem very
27:51uncomfortable when
27:51you were just
27:52hearing that,
27:53hearing what Shona
27:53was saying there
27:54and there's very
27:55good reason because
27:56you were actually
27:57filmed without you
27:59knowing that was
28:00posted online.
28:00Tell us what
28:01happened.
28:01Yeah, so my
28:03friend's partner
28:04actually spotted
28:04the first video
28:06and sent it to
28:07her and at first
28:08we were like,
28:09OK, what's going
28:10on here?
28:10Is it like a
28:10fashion page or
28:11something?
28:11And then we
28:12looked into it
28:13and we just see
28:14girls upon girls
28:15upon girls.
28:16And then the
28:17next thought that
28:18came was like,
28:18is it some sort
28:19of trafficking?
28:20Like, what is
28:21going on?
28:21Like, what is
28:21this?
28:22And it was you
28:23and your friends,
28:24wasn't it, that
28:24were all filmed
28:25here?
28:26I mean, how did
28:26you all feel
28:27about it?
28:28It was weird
28:29because you can't
28:30see anyone
28:31filming you because
28:32we weren't drunk,
28:33we were very
28:33sober.
28:34So you're
28:35walking normally
28:36as you would and
28:37the next thing
28:37you see yourself
28:38online and you
28:39don't see anybody
28:40filming.
28:40It's so creepy.
28:41It's so, it's
28:43so disturbing.
28:44And all the
28:45comments as well,
28:46that's the other
28:46thing because people
28:47watching this and
28:48then giving their
28:49opinions and making
28:52the rudest, most
28:53nastiest comments.
28:54And a lot of
28:54these, it's
28:55majority men as
28:56well, are
28:57fathers and
28:58husbands.
28:58It's like, how
29:00would you feel if
29:01this was your
29:01daughter or your
29:03wife or your
29:03sister?
29:04It's just so,
29:06there's no words
29:07to put into how
29:09it makes you feel.
29:09I can only
29:11imagine, I can
29:12only imagine.
29:12And Shona, this
29:13isn't isolated, just
29:15hearing Anna
29:15Rose's story, you
29:16tracked down a
29:17number of women
29:19that this had
29:20happened to, didn't
29:21you?
29:21Yes, so I've
29:22identified more
29:23than 50 women who
29:24have been filmed and
29:25most of these women
29:26were filmed in
29:27Manchester, which
29:28seems to be a
29:28really popular place
29:29for people to
29:30come and film this
29:31type of content.
29:32Now, one woman I
29:33spoke to, she was
29:34just 18 when she
29:35was filmed and the
29:36video of her has
29:37more than 3
29:38million views.
29:41She described the
29:42experience to me and
29:43she said that she
29:44doesn't like going
29:44out in the city
29:45anymore because she
29:46just doesn't feel
29:46safe and she's
29:47worried that she's
29:48going to be filmed
29:48again.
29:49If there isn't
29:50enough going on to
29:51knock women's
29:52confidence, that
29:52doesn't help, does
29:53it?
29:53Yes, that's
29:54actually exactly
29:54what she said to
29:55me, that it had
29:56really knocked her
29:57confidence.
29:57Now, another woman
29:58that I spoke to only
30:00found out that she
30:01had been filmed and
30:02posted online when
30:03her younger brother
30:03sent her the
30:04footage.
30:05Now, the footage
30:06of her was quite
30:07explicit and she
30:08said it was
30:09humiliating to
30:10receive this from
30:11her brother.
30:11Yeah.
30:12Can we talk about
30:13the men doing
30:13this?
30:14How are they
30:14doing it?
30:15Because you
30:15managed to track
30:16some of them
30:16down, didn't
30:16you?
30:17And as you
30:17were saying,
30:19you don't see
30:20the cameras and
30:21things, do you?
30:21share?
30:22So, the men that
30:23are filming this
30:24content were
30:25really difficult to
30:26trace and this is
30:27because they post
30:28from anonymous
30:28accounts.
30:30But we knew that
30:31a really popular
30:32filming date for
30:33them was Halloween
30:33weekend in
30:34Manchester.
30:35So myself and my
30:36colleague Agby
30:37Smitten actually
30:38went undercover and
30:39that was just some
30:40of our footage
30:40there.
30:41And you can see
30:42these two men
30:43that were filming,
30:44two of the five men
30:45that we saw filming
30:46that night, are
30:47pretending to text
30:48on their phones,
30:49we think, and then
30:50the small handheld
30:50cameras are held
30:51just below.
30:52So you can sort of
30:53see the phone,
30:54yeah, but that's
30:55not what's doing
30:56all the recording
30:56here then.
30:57No, yeah.
30:57It's what's in the
30:58other hand, the
30:59small, really small
31:00device.
31:01Yes.
31:01And that's the
31:02camera.
31:02And it's always,
31:03it is the camera,
31:04it's always held
31:04down quite low and
31:05when you walk past
31:06it, it really looks
31:07quite similar to a
31:08vape, something that
31:09you see on a night
31:10out all the time.
31:11And I was out there
31:13looking for these
31:13cameras and even I
31:14was walking past and
31:15missing them, so
31:16they're a really
31:16difficult spot.
31:18Yeah, and
31:19I mean, you went
31:19on to confront
31:20some of these men
31:20as well, didn't
31:21you?
31:21Yes, we did, we
31:23contacted all the
31:25men that we saw
31:25filming and asked
31:27them questions about
31:27why they were doing
31:28this.
31:29Now, only two of
31:29them got back to
31:30us and both have
31:31denied any wrongdoing.
31:33Yeah, because it's
31:33important to point out
31:34again, it's not
31:34illegal, isn't it?
31:36It's not, it's
31:37sort of falls between
31:38the cracks in the
31:39law.
31:39I mean, there are
31:40talks about making
31:41it a specific
31:41offence, but at the
31:42time, it's not.
31:43But, Anna Rose, if
31:45you were to have an
31:47opportunity to speak
31:48to one of the
31:49people that was
31:49filming yourself or
31:50one of your friends
31:52secretly or covertly
31:53in this way, what
31:54would you say to
31:55them?
31:56I would say to
31:57them that there's
31:59so many ways this
32:00could have gone.
32:02they could have used
32:03their camera skills to
32:05film something so
32:07beautiful and make it
32:07so creative, whether
32:08film fashion or just
32:10the different kind of
32:11communities, but
32:11instead, they chose to
32:13use it to knock
32:14confidence, to
32:16incite just hatred
32:18towards innocent women
32:19who wanted to just go
32:21out, have fun, and
32:24just stop.
32:26I can see it's really
32:27wearing on you as
32:28well, isn't it?
32:29Like, you're so
32:30frustrated by this.
32:31Because I'm sure they
32:32have wives, they have
32:33daughters, they have
32:34sisters, and if one of
32:35them were to be on one
32:37of these pages, I'm
32:38pretty sure they
32:39wouldn't like it, so
32:40why would you do it to
32:40other people's
32:41daughters?
32:41Yeah, really well
32:42said.
32:43Thank you both so
32:43much.
32:44Yeah, thank you for
32:44coming in and sharing
32:45your experiences for us
32:46as well, and let's hope
32:47this stops others from
32:48doing it.
32:49Let's hope so.
32:51Now, back to our film
32:53with Police Scotland.
32:54After identifying the
32:55remains of veteran
32:56Ian Coutts, detectives
32:57are determined to find
32:59his killer.
33:04Police had been told
33:05about a young man who'd
33:07been seen at Ian's
33:08house before he'd
33:09disappeared, but also
33:10after.
33:12The individual that
33:13the neighbours had
33:15seen was a local man,
33:17and his name was
33:18David Barnes.
33:22And when we started to
33:24build up a picture of
33:25David Barnes' life,
33:31around about the time
33:32Ian went missing, he'd
33:33actually received a
33:35significant back payment
33:36in relation to benefits.
33:38And we could see that
33:39David Barnes had set up
33:41an online transaction
33:42service in Ian Coutts'
33:44name, and this was set
33:46up after Ian Coutts had
33:48last been seen alive.
33:51So that was a real
33:53pivotal moment in the
33:54investigation.
33:57Analysis of Ian Coutts'
33:59phone data also revealed
34:00further suspicious
34:01activity.
34:03There was some activity
34:05on his phone after he was
34:06last seen alive.
34:08That included a text to
34:10Ian's sister, Audrey.
34:12And in that text message, he
34:14asked her for a lend of some
34:16money.
34:17And with the telecoms data, we
34:20were able to say that both
34:21David Barnes and Ian Coutts'
34:22handsets were in the same local
34:25area at the time.
34:28Investigators also suspected
34:30Barnes pretended to be Ian Coutts'
34:32in a call made to the Department of
34:34Work and Pensions.
34:35Barnes, which stated that Ian was
34:38living in a caravan in England and
34:41that he'd found work and no longer
34:42needed his benefits.
34:46With evidence mounting against
34:48David Barnes, on the 12th of January
34:522021, he was arrested and warrants were
34:55issued for a search of his property
34:56and car.
34:58And he was brought to the police
35:00station and interviewed.
35:02Unfortunately, he elected to say no
35:04comment to everything.
35:06And it was agreed at this stage, he
35:09should be released pending further
35:10investigations.
35:14Having to release him, knowing we were
35:16confident that this was our man, it
35:18was a very frustrating day.
35:23Investigators had to present a
35:24watertight case to ensure a
35:26conviction and began a painstaking
35:28sift of rubbish that had been
35:30bagged up as evidence from the
35:31unit where Ian Coutts' body was
35:33recovered.
35:35And we were looking for anything at
35:37all.
35:37We didn't know what we might find,
35:39but just any evidence that might
35:42link somebody to that area.
35:44The meticulous search paid off,
35:47finally answering how Ian Coutts'
35:49body had ended up in the unit.
35:51We found a piece of paper which had
35:54partial name, a body of the
35:56bank account number on it, and we
35:58were able to link that piece of
35:59paper to Ian Coutts' upstairs
36:01neighbour.
36:03When we contacted him about that, he
36:05told us that he would have put that
36:06piece of paper into his black
36:08wheelie bin that went missing.
36:15The upstairs neighbour saw David Barnes
36:17pulling that wheelie bin, which
36:19appeared to be really very heavy,
36:21pulling it into the back of a silver
36:23Volkswagen Golf.
36:27Thankfully, the witnesses had taken a
36:29photograph of this golf, and you could
36:32see David Barnes inside.
36:36This witness challenged David, said,
36:38why have you taken my bin?
36:40And David said to him, don't worry,
36:42just use Ian's.
36:45In all likelihood, Ian probably was in the bin
36:48at that time.
36:53Detectives then turned to soil samples
36:55recovered from Barnes's car, which was
36:58examined by Lorna Dawson and her team.
37:00We identified, by looking under the
37:03microscope, these tiny little flakes of
37:06red paint.
37:09So the chemist analysed it and found that
37:12the red paint that was found in the soil
37:15was similar to that of the red paint that
37:18was on the floor at that unit.
37:25The person who'd stood and driven that
37:27vehicle had been the person that had taken
37:31Mr. Coutts' body to the unit.
37:45On the 15th of December 2021, almost a year
37:50after he was first arrested, Barnes was
37:52arrested again.
37:56He was found guilty at trial and in
37:59December 2023, he was sentenced.
38:03A man who murdered an army veteran and
38:05dumped his body in a disused building in
38:07Fife has been told he will spend at least
38:0923 years in jail.
38:11David Barnes killed Ian Coutts in
38:132019 before taking his body to the
38:16industrial unit near Glenorthus.
38:22To help the investigators narrow that time
38:25window down, I think we can all feel very
38:28proud that that has helped bring justice for
38:31the family of Ian Coutts.
38:33And that will remain with me.
38:37It was really a proud moment, certainly for me
38:40personally, but for the wider team.
38:43Equally, the family of Ian Coutts, who were present in
38:46court each day means a lot to them, and that his
38:48killer was going to spend a lot of time in prison.
38:53Wow, what a result there.
38:55Now, earlier we talked about the men secretly
38:58filming women on nights out.
38:59And I'm not saying our next item is the answer to
39:02that problem, but it is about kickboxing.
39:04We've got some brilliant kickboxers here with us,
39:07because our next guests have started an initiative.
39:10Well, as you can see, packs a punch.
39:12James Inge is an instructor who's been working with
39:15Sergeant Chloe Spencer from the Leeds South
39:17Neighbourhood Police Team.
39:19Thank you for coming in.
39:20I already feel exhausted just next to them.
39:22But James, this is an initiative you're doing with
39:25the police, and it's not just about self-defence, is it?
39:27Give us a flavour of what it's about.
39:29No, it's all about creating a community for all women,
39:33you know, to help empower them, give them more
39:35confidence, but to create, like, a safe space as well.
39:38And during our classes, we have Chloe Spencer here
39:41who actually comes in and works within the classes
39:44with us, and she's there basically if they want
39:48to talk at any point.
39:49So, yeah, that's our initiative.
39:51Really good idea.
39:52So, Chloe, tell us about your side of this.
39:55So, you're from the Neighbourhood Police Team.
39:56Tell us about that and then how you got involved in it.
39:58Yes, so James contacted myself about another initiative
40:01he's working on, and we sat down together,
40:03and we just came up with this really good idea.
40:05You know, it's not about utilising women with the skills
40:08to protect themselves, it's about creating that safe space
40:11and boost confidence.
40:12It also highlights the importance of the police working
40:16with community partners such as James, you know,
40:19to create those safe spaces for everyone.
40:21Yeah, and it's an important point, because I was chatting
40:22to the girls earlier about that confidence boost to this,
40:25because this is more than just a class you might do
40:27in a leisure centre, James.
40:28Yeah, it is, by far.
40:30So, what we're trying to create is something
40:33that's so diverse, it's everywhere.
40:36We're trying to create something where it engulfs Leeds
40:41and where I'm from, and then people from, like, Scotland
40:44will pick up on it, and people from Wales,
40:47and, like, everywhere, and it will become
40:49such a big thing eventually.
40:50We really want to try and change things for, like, safety
40:55for women and things like that, and just create something
40:57that's outstanding.
40:58Can you show us some moves, then?
41:00I mean, I'm probably not dressed for this,
41:02but we'll have a go anyway.
41:03What's the kind of key one that I should know?
41:05So, the first thing that you should always remember
41:06is with any movement that you do,
41:08you should do what's called a chamber.
41:09So, a lot of people, when they kick,
41:11they'll bring their legs out like this,
41:12and they'll kick, but there's no power to that.
41:14So, when you kick, you want to come up,
41:16and then you want a chamber, and that gives you the power.
41:19Introduce your hips as well, so you can get that full kick.
41:22Do you know what?
41:22That's a good kick.
41:23Is it?
41:23It's a very good kick.
41:24Oh, very good.
41:24This might be my Irish dancer that's done this.
41:26But, it's hard for me not to pull a gurney face, though,
41:29which is not attractive.
41:31Chloe, tell me about the impact that this has had as well,
41:33because, you know, we mentioned the reaction,
41:35but also really good for the community, I bet.
41:37Yeah, absolutely.
41:38And like we said, when I go to the classes,
41:40we all just have a laugh and have fun,
41:42and that's what it's about.
41:43It's about people enjoying themselves,
41:45and I'm there so people can chat to me about anything,
41:48and it just breaks down those barriers.
41:50Do you know, I bet it helps in terms of your relationship
41:52for the police, for the community, too.
41:54Yeah, absolutely.
41:56And like I've already touched on,
41:57it's really important for the police
41:59to work with those community partners
42:01to integrate within the community.
42:03Can you do it, then?
42:05I'm practising.
42:06Go on, give us a move.
42:07Yeah, go on.
42:08Well, like you said, use your chambers and legs up,
42:11and then, pooh!
42:13It's all about the sound effects.
42:15Yeah, I bet it is.
42:15Which you're very good at.
42:16And what is it about kickboxing in particular
42:19that kind of builds up confidence and things, James?
42:22So, it's about turning up.
42:25When you actually turn up to these classes,
42:27that's your first point of confidence.
42:29It's actually coming there and then doing it.
42:31Once you're there, you actually realise
42:33that the confidence is natural.
42:35It's in everybody.
42:37Yeah.
42:37You just don't realise it's there until you get in,
42:39and you see that every day,
42:41not just in my kids' classes,
42:42but also within the ladies.
42:46Like, you just see the confidence flow.
42:48So, it's really made a difference.
42:49So good to have you explaining it.
42:50And thank you very much.
42:51You can relax now.
42:52We'd better get them a drink.
42:55Feel a lot safer over here.
42:57That's all we have time for today.
42:58Remember, you can watch all the series so far
42:59on iPlayer tomorrow.
43:01More Appeals, another exclusive interview.
43:03This time with a detective
43:04who caught 15-year-old Eliane Andam's killer
43:07after she was stabbed at a bus stop
43:09over an argument about a teddy bear.
43:12I have never dealt with cases
43:14with that level of emotion.
43:16Almost Croydon stopped for 24, 48 hours.
43:20The community were absolutely devastated
43:23by what happened to Eliane.
43:26Wow, such a powerful film.
43:27We will see you tomorrow, but for now, goodbye.
43:56I've got to see you tomorrow.
43:57Go to Eliane Andam.
43:58Go to Eliane Andam.
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