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00:05From 30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York, it's Late Night with Seth Meyers.
00:12Tonight, Gillian Murphy.
00:14From the Pride, director and writer Maggie Gyllenhaal.
00:18An all-new Closer Look.
00:25And now, Seth Meyers.
00:28Good evening, everybody.
00:29I'm Seth Meyers.
00:30This is Late Night.
00:31We hope you're doing well.
00:32And now, if you don't mind, we're going to get to the news.
00:34President Trump said last week that he needs to be personally involved in selecting Iran's
00:39next leader.
00:40Okay, but this seems like a weird time to reboot The Apprentice.
00:46Iranian state media reported yesterday that the second-oldest son of the deceased Ayatollah
00:51Ali Khamenei has been chosen as the next supreme leader, starting a dangerous precedent
00:57of second-oldest sons taking over.
01:02President Trump said yesterday he will stop signing bills into law until Congress passes
01:08voter ID legislation.
01:10Hey, don't threaten us with a good time.
01:13I swear to God, I might even resign.
01:15Oh.
01:18In a post over the weekend on Truth Social, President Trump criticized British Prime Minister
01:23Keir Starmer for failing to immediately provide military assistance to U.S. operations in Iran
01:28and referred to the U.K. as, quote, our once great ally.
01:32Great.
01:32So we're what?
01:33About a week away from Republicans calling these freedom muffins?
01:41During the Shield of the Americas Summit over the weekend, President Trump told Latin American
01:46leaders, quote,
01:47I'm not learning your damn language.
01:49Oh, no one thought you were.
01:53No one imagines you at the kitchen table with headphones on, diligently going through your
01:58Duolingo lessons.
02:00The little owl, we hate the little owl, don't we?
02:04It's very judgmental, the owl.
02:07We're looking into replacing the owl.
02:11With a mole.
02:13They don't see your mistakes.
02:17After Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke Spanish over the weekend, at a summit with Latin
02:23American leaders, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said, quote,
02:26I only speak American, which must have made it very confusing for bartenders.
02:32Give me another shot of Joe Curve.
02:40I mean, Joe Curve is a rad thing to call it.
02:46During the Shield of America Summit over the weekend, President Trump praised Deputy White
02:51House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller and added, quote,
02:53I don't have to tell you anything about Stephen everyone knows.
02:56I mean, we all see it.
02:58How could you not see it?
03:04President Trump's Mar-a-Lago club hosted a fundraiser over the weekend for a dog rescue.
03:10Well, first he fires her, and now this.
03:18He rescued them from her.
03:21Right, she was about to make a coat.
03:26The Italian team in the World Baseball Classic has gained attention online because they have an espresso
03:31machine in their dugout, which explains why one of their players bunted a triple.
03:38And finally, in honor, Daylight Savings Time Krispy Kreme offered customers a dozen free original glazed donuts,
03:45because why just lose an hour when you can also lose a couple of years?
03:50That was a monologue!
03:52We are off and running.
03:54We've got a great show for you tonight.
03:56He's a fantastic actor.
03:58You know, from Oppenheimer, Batman Begins, Dunkirk, he's back as Thomas Shelby,
04:03and Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, and select theaters now and on Netflix,
04:07March 20th, Killian Murphy's back on the show!
04:11And she is a multi-talented director, writer, and actress.
04:17You know from The Lost Daughter and The Dark Knight, as well as The Deuce and The Honorable Woman,
04:22her new film, The Bride, is in theaters and IMAX now.
04:26Maggie Gyllenhaal is also back on the show before we get to all that.
04:33Oil prices are surging amid what experts are calling the worst energy crisis since the 1970s,
04:39thanks to Donald Trump's reckless and illegal war in Iran.
04:41For more on this, it's time for A Closer Look.
04:48Donald Trump has repeatedly insisted that he knows the key to bringing down inflation for everything,
04:53and it all comes down to energy.
04:56We're going to bring down your energy costs, and with that, everything's going to follow.
04:59I will cut your energy prices in half within 12 months.
05:03That's going to bring everything down.
05:04I will cut your energy prices by 50, 50 percent, 50 percent.
05:09Prices are going to come down, then everything else is going to start coming down, too.
05:13We're going to cut your energy prices, and that's going to be the beginning,
05:16and we're going to bring your cost of groceries, foods, everything.
05:20We're going to all come down.
05:21Within 12 months, all of your energy bills, your car, your air conditioning, your heating,
05:27everything, will be 50 percent, 5-0.
05:30As goes gasoline and oil and gas, so goes the rest of other products.
05:36When you cut the cost of energy, you really cut, you just cut the cost of energy.
05:41Everything follows, look, you're in an industry, a business, whatever you want to call it,
05:45a profession in many cases.
05:48Everything follows energy.
05:49I mean, I'm just impressed you have the energy to come up with so many synonyms for business.
05:55Did Melania finally get you that thesaurus you've been asking for?
05:58Mel, you're not going to believe how many different words they have for business.
06:03Industry, profession, trade, this is, oh, that's a good, venture.
06:08Enterprise, pursuit, this thing is awesome.
06:11Great, good.
06:15Also, I can't believe I have to explain this, but that's not how it works.
06:18We sell energy to the global market and prices for foods we import are similarly set at the global market.
06:25Drilling for oil in Texas isn't going to change the price of a banana from Guatemala,
06:30unless, of course, when you're drilling for oil, you strike bananas.
06:33That changes everything.
06:35And I can just say it's such a bummer that drillers only ever strike oil.
06:39Imagine how fun it would be for just thousands of bananas to start gushing out of the earth.
06:45Daniel Day-Lewis could do his first broad comedy, There Will Be Bananas.
06:51Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a banana man.
06:58Did we do that whole tangent just so I could do my Daniel Plainville, Plainview impression?
07:05We did.
07:06Am I regretting that choice now?
07:07I am.
07:09I eat your banana.
07:14I break it up.
07:16The point is, that was the central thesis of Trump's campaign.
07:20Bring down energy prices and prices for everything else will fall.
07:22And through the first year of his presidency, even as prices for almost everything else rose,
07:28there was one price he kept bragging slash lying about.
07:32Gasoline is less than $2 in many places, a gallon, which nobody expected to see, but I did.
07:38We had yesterday three states where oil was at $1.99 a gallon.
07:45We have people now getting gasoline for $1.99, $1.96, $1.95, $1.92 yesterday, somebody.
07:54I was at a beautiful place called Iowa two weeks ago.
07:57$1.85 a gallon for gasoline.
08:01When I visited the great state of Iowa just a few weeks ago, I even saw $1.85 a gallon
08:09for gasoline.
08:10Where did you see gas at $1.85 on Turner Classic Movies?
08:17I just love that thing where he's like, $1.97, $1.92.
08:21And, like, we're all impressed he can keep coming up with numbers under $2.
08:26$1.93.
08:29Also, even if this is real, you know we live everywhere, right?
08:33Not all of us can fill up at Crazy Dave's Discount Gasoline in Cedar Rapids or whatever the you saw.
08:41Also, you saw it.
08:42You want us to believe you were at the pump yourself, filling up the presidential motorcade.
08:46There's nothing quite like filling up a tank of gas as you road trip across this great nation.
08:51It clears your head.
08:52It clears your head.
08:53I remember on a long drive coming up with the lines to my now-famous poem.
08:58Nothing bad can happen.
08:59It can only good happen.
09:03Also, I'm sorry.
09:06I'm sorry to say once again, Trump's claims about gas prices were wrong.
09:11He spoke of some states hitting $1.99 for gas.
09:15The lowest state average today is closer to $2.40.
09:18About 100 stations out of about 150,000 stations are below $2.
09:23Only 100 stations out of 150,000 were below $2 a gallon.
09:27And of those 100, 98 of them were run by an old man in a tank top who tells teenagers,
09:32I'll fill up your tank, but I wouldn't go up to Murder Lake if I were you.
09:38The point is, this was the entire purpose of the Trump presidency, the main thing he got
09:42elected on, the main thing he promised to fix, the main thing he bragged about, energy
09:46prices.
09:47When they go down, it fixes everything, and that's why everything is so awesome right
09:52now.
09:52This has been a closer...
09:54What?
09:54It's not awesome right now?
09:57All right, well then, roll the clip.
09:59As the escalating conflict disrupts critical oil channels, the cost of oil topping $100 a
10:05barrel for the first time in almost four years, with a gallon of gas now up nearly 50 cents
10:11in a week, on average, across the U.S.
10:14Markets are tumbling right now, and the oil is surging.
10:17Price of oil, this is now the biggest oil disruption in history.
10:21Bad news if you drive a car or heat your home, but good news if you've been stockpiling
10:26barrels of crude oil at home like I have.
10:30Oh, oh, what's that, wife and children who've been telling me I'm crazy for keeping barrels
10:35of oil in our New York City apartment?
10:37You're awfully quiet, all of a sudden.
10:41Maybe we're about to find out daddy was right about hoarding pogs, too.
10:46So Trump's once again betraying the centerpiece of his campaign, bringing down prices.
10:50But don't worry, he's got a strategy.
10:52Just pretend it's not happening.
10:54Dana, I understand you just got off the phone with President Trump.
10:58What did you hear from him?
10:59I asked about rising gas prices, and he said, that's all right.
11:03It'll be short term.
11:06It'll go way down very quickly.
11:08And I said, well, they're pretty high now.
11:10And he said, no, they're not.
11:11They're up a little bit, not much.
11:13You can lie about many things in American life, but one thing you can't lie about is gas
11:16prices.
11:17You know why?
11:17Because they're on giant signs on the side of the road.
11:20Everyone sees it.
11:21It's like how I only know the phone number, 1-877-CARS-4-KIDS, you know?
11:27If I ever get arrested and they give me one phone call, I'm going to have to call them.
11:30Hi, yeah, I don't have a car to give you, but can you guys call Lorne?
11:40That was Seth.
11:41He just had cars for kids call me.
11:48And honestly, we should do giant signs for the rest of our politics.
11:51There should be huge signs across the country that say felony counts or number of times the
11:55president has fallen asleep on live TV.
11:58Trump's relearning the same lesson Joe Biden learned.
12:01You can't convince people the economy is awesome if they think it sucks.
12:04No one's going to magically change their mind just because Trump tells them he saw avocados
12:08five for a dollar at a farm stand in Shreveport.
12:11So the argument is, don't believe your eyes.
12:13Prices aren't going up.
12:15But his allies in the GOP are taking a different tack.
12:17They admit the war is costing us, but say it's worth it.
12:20A billion dollars a day.
12:22Oil prices up 27% in a week.
12:25You've got the president wanting a $1.5 trillion defense budget in 27.
12:29The idea that the Pentagon is about to come to you for $50 billion on these strikes to Iran.
12:37How are you going to answer?
12:40Best money ever spent.
12:41That's the best money I ever spent.
12:44It's the same thing I said to my meemaw when she yelled at me for getting lip fillers.
12:48I don't care what you think.
12:52I need to look my best when I audition for the community theater production of Wicked.
12:58I, too, can't sing, you old barnacle.
13:03I'll tell you what's not defying gravity.
13:06You're big old saggy bosoms.
13:11I'm so sorry, Fox News.
13:12I've got to stop taking these Zooms at home.
13:16These guys are learning the cost of their reckless intervention in real time.
13:20For example, here's how Graham started out on Sunday morning.
13:22We're going to blow the hell out of these people.
13:25All right, and then later that day, after oil futures began to skyrocket,
13:29Graham changed his tune.
13:30He tweeted,
13:34Oh, so now that they're blowing up the oil refineries,
13:41you want them to be a little more careful.
13:43This is like when those mobsters hired the Joker to kill Batman,
13:45but then they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
13:47we didn't think you were going to burn the money, too.
13:50I think this Joker might be a little crazier than we thought.
13:56Trump lied about ending foreign wars,
13:58and he lied about breaking down prices,
14:00and now those two lies are coming together
14:02in his reckless and illegal war with Iran.
14:04Prices are surging, markets are tanking,
14:07but Trump isn't worried because he won't bear the cost.
14:09The rest of us will.
14:11For us, bad can happen.
14:13But for him...
14:14It can only good happen.
14:15This has been A Closer Look.
14:21We'll be right back with Cillian Murphy, everybody.
14:29For more of Seth's Closer Looks,
14:30be sure to subscribe to Late Night on YouTube.
14:42Our first guest tonight is an Academy Award-winning actor,
14:45and producer you know from films such as
14:47Oppenheimer, 28 Days Later, Batman Begins,
14:50Inception, and Dunkirk.
14:51He returns as Tommy Shelby
14:52in the highly anticipated film Peaky Blinders,
14:55The Immortal Man, which is in select theaters now
14:57and available on Netflix on March 20th.
14:59Let's take a look.
15:01Holy
15:03Everybody stay calm.
15:05Anyone thinking of pulling a weapon?
15:06Do not pull a weapon.
15:08Because this man, ladies and gentlemen,
15:11is Tommy Shelby.
15:18Who the f**k is Tommy Shelby?
15:26Perhaps someone should explain to him
15:28who I am.
15:29I don't give a f**k who you are.
15:34Hey, hey, hey, hey.
15:35You and me, we're going to dance.
15:39Now, put that f**king music back on.
15:48Please welcome back to the show,
15:50Cillian Murphy, everybody!
16:05It was very nice to end that clip
16:08before we saw how Tommy Shelby decided
16:10to deal with that gentleman.
16:11Yes.
16:12You'll have to find out.
16:14Probably the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
16:16I imagine so.
16:17Yeah, knowing Tommy.
16:18Knowing Tommy, yeah.
16:20This is a role, you did six seasons
16:22of this incredible character
16:23with your creator, Stephen Knight.
16:25And I'm wondering, like, is that,
16:27do people still yell out Tommy to you?
16:29Is that a character they associate with you?
16:31Yeah, I mean, it's probably the one
16:33I get yelled at most.
16:34It is the one I get yelled at most.
16:36Yeah.
16:36Do they yell, is there anything
16:37they yell at you more often than anything else?
16:40No f**king fighting.
16:41Yeah.
16:41No f**king, yeah.
16:42It's a lot of, I'm just going to the shop
16:44to buy milk or, you know, whatever,
16:45and I get a lot of that.
16:47And someone will just scream,
16:47no f**king fighting at.
16:48No f**king fight, yeah.
16:50For people who don't know your work,
16:52it must be very jarring.
16:55They're like, this poor man's trying to buy milk.
16:57He didn't even look close to fighting anyone.
16:59There's no context.
17:01Yeah.
17:02Does anybody ever yell out, like,
17:03hey, Oppenheimer?
17:04Do they ever?
17:07Not so much.
17:08Yeah.
17:09It's weird, because, like,
17:09Tommy just seems like a guy you want to yell at,
17:11whereas, like, Oppenheimer, you're like,
17:13you know what, he seems a guy,
17:14he's got a lot on his mind.
17:15It would be a longer conversation.
17:18Right, yeah.
17:19He doesn't seem like a guy you just, like,
17:20high-five and let him go about his day.
17:21Not a high-fiver, no.
17:23Did, you know,
17:24I know one of the trepidation about a show
17:26that, you know, ended so well after six seasons,
17:28and, like, to return to it,
17:31it requires the work to be up to the same,
17:33you know, standard.
17:34Yeah.
17:36How much did you guys think about that?
17:37How hard did you work to make sure that it fit in?
17:40A lot.
17:40An awful lot, to be honest with you.
17:41I mean, like, it was 36 hours of telly.
17:44I'm really, really proud of what we achieved.
17:46I loved the ending of season six.
17:48It was quite ambiguous and quite open-ended.
17:50We were going to do season seven,
17:51and then COVID happened,
17:52so we pivoted to the movie,
17:54and we worked an awful lot on developing the story,
17:57and, like, it was really about figuring out
17:59what was it that made Peaky tick
18:01and what made Tommy tick,
18:02and it's family, right?
18:03It was, that was the whole,
18:04the main thematic kind of drive of the show,
18:07so, therefore, we figured out, like,
18:09it had to be, like, family had to be
18:11the overriding kind of theme in this.
18:13I always, one of the things I love so much about the show
18:15is each season, like, I felt like two or three,
18:17like, heavy-hitter actors would come in
18:19and sort of join for a season,
18:21and you've pulled that off as well with this film.
18:23There are, like, new people who were not part,
18:25and they join, and it's fantastic.
18:27Yeah, we've had amazing actors over the years,
18:29you know, Sam Neill, Adrian Brody, Tom Hart,
18:32like, incredible, incredible actors,
18:34and I think, I always think if you write great parts,
18:38you get great actors.
18:39Yeah.
18:39So, we have Rebecca Ferguson,
18:41we have Barry Keoghan, Tim Roth.
18:44It's really good.
18:44Barry Keoghan plays your son,
18:46and can you explain real quick
18:49how you went about asking him if he would play your son?
18:52So, oh, gosh, he tells this anecdote
18:54way better than I do.
18:55So, okay, so it was Father's Day.
18:58We know each other since Dunkirk,
19:00so he was, like, only a kid then,
19:02and so he texted me on Father's Day.
19:06I had forgotten it was Father's Day,
19:07or nobody had let me know it was Father's Day.
19:09I didn't get any.
19:10Wait, we should, this is a good time to say,
19:12like, you actually have children.
19:14Yeah.
19:15It was very much should have been on them to tell you.
19:18You would think.
19:19Yeah.
19:20Yeah, and I didn't get any, anyway.
19:22He, Barry texted me.
19:24Yeah.
19:25Very kindly and very nicely,
19:26and he said, you know,
19:28hey, Kill, how are you doing?
19:29And then I said, I'll just say it to him now.
19:32So I texted him back and said,
19:33how do you want to play my son in Peaky Blinders?
19:35Yeah.
19:36And there was a sort of,
19:37you know when you can see people are typing?
19:41And then he said, yeah, he was into it.
19:44That's great.
19:45Have you since told your sons
19:46that if they had said Happy Father's Day to you,
19:50they would have been in Peaky Blinders?
19:53You're like, it went to the first person
19:55who said something to their dads.
19:56Yeah, I'm using that one.
19:59That's really fantastic.
20:00Also, you, as I'm thinking back to Dunkirk,
20:03you were very unkind to Barry's character in Dunkirk.
20:06Okay.
20:08That was by accident.
20:10Okay. Oh, that's right.
20:10If you haven't seen the film, it was,
20:12it was, I killed him by accident.
20:15Yeah.
20:16I mean, of course,
20:16that's exactly what you would say.
20:18Yeah.
20:19It was a terrible accident.
20:21It was a terrible accident.
20:22A wonderful film, a terrible accident.
20:25Yes, yeah.
20:26Another, you know, it's interesting,
20:27because there's certainly parallels to Peaky Blinders.
20:3020 years later, Bone Temple,
20:32fantastic film that comes out this year.
20:34And just an incredible moment at the end of the film
20:37where we see your character from 28 days later.
20:41And, you know, very similar, right?
20:42Like, you make this incredible work,
20:43and to decide to make more of it,
20:45it has to rise to the level of what came before.
20:49And, you know, that was a movie I love so much,
20:51and so it was very exciting to see you in it.
20:53How did it come about?
20:54Like, when they reached out for that,
20:55was it a similar thing?
20:56Did you, had you texted
20:58Happy Father's Day to someone, and then they...
20:59No.
21:01No, that's one of the few films,
21:02I think, that I've revisited over my career,
21:05because it was a huge film for me,
21:06because it was the first film that really broke through.
21:09And, you know, Danny Boyle directed it,
21:11and he was a huge director for me growing up.
21:13He had his posters on my wall, you know, as a kid.
21:16And then I'd always,
21:18I did text them occasionally, saying,
21:19are we, like,
21:20is there any chance we'd ever, you know,
21:22make another one?
21:23Because, again, that was left quite open-ended.
21:25And then Alex Garland, who was the writer,
21:27came up with this setup for the next,
21:30kind of, like, 28 years later.
21:33And that movie you mentioned was directed by Nia DaCosta.
21:37Danny did the movie before.
21:38Right.
21:39So, yeah, I think they're brilliant films,
21:41so hopefully you get to make a third.
21:42Yeah.
21:43It was very nice.
21:44And, again, it's, you know,
21:46sometimes sequels come out one year after the other,
21:48after the other.
21:48And when there's a nice bit of a breathing room between them,
21:51I think it makes it very special.
21:52Well, 28 years, yeah.
21:55That's about the right amount.
21:57I like 28 years between it.
21:59I've got a lot more to ask you.
22:01We'll stick around.
22:01Be right back with more Killian.
22:02All right.
22:21We're back with Killian Murphy.
22:22I didn't tell you this last time you were here,
22:24but I remember when I saw 28 Days Later,
22:27I saw you on screen.
22:28I'm like, I feel like I've seen that guy before.
22:29Oh.
22:30And I had been at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival
22:32as a young comedian in 1997,
22:34and I saw this little play called Disco Pigs.
22:37No way.
22:38And I know later you were,
22:40there was a film version of it.
22:41Yeah.
22:41But I saw you on stage.
22:43You must have been a very,
22:44I mean, I was very young,
22:45and you're younger than me,
22:46so you must have been a child.
22:49So, 97, I was 21, yeah.
22:51Yeah.
22:51Yeah.
22:51And, you know, that was an incredibly formidable time
22:56for me on stage at that festival.
22:58That show kind of, was that your first gig?
23:01That was my first ever professional gig, yeah.
23:05And we took it all around.
23:07It was myself and Eileen Walsh.
23:08She played Runt.
23:10I was big.
23:10She was Runt.
23:11Enda Walsh wrote that play,
23:12and it kind of changed everything for me
23:14in my whole career.
23:16And we did that in the Traverse Theater,
23:18if you remember, in Edinburgh.
23:20And that was like a kind of magical time.
23:22The play went on at 11 o'clock at night,
23:24so we would do the play from 11 till 12,
23:26then go out like having the crack all night long,
23:29and then sleep all day long.
23:32Yeah.
23:32And then...
23:33Being part of any show at Edinburgh
23:35is really special.
23:36I think anyone who's been to the festival knows it,
23:38but like being part of a show that's like working
23:40and has a little bit of buzz about it,
23:42like it's weird,
23:43like almost nothing in my career ever since
23:46has been like it.
23:47It's insane.
23:48It's like the energy in that city at that time,
23:51and meeting other artists,
23:52meeting other actors,
23:53meeting other, you know,
23:54theater makers and comedians,
23:55and it was an amazing time.
23:58It was very cool.
23:59You had a music background first, right?
24:02Before acting,
24:02you were in a band with your brother?
24:03Yeah, I mean, that's really...
24:05Like, that's what I wanted to do.
24:07Yeah.
24:07I wanted to be in a band,
24:08and it didn't work out.
24:10We played with my brother,
24:11and he's all pals of mine, and...
24:14Old or younger, your brother?
24:15He's two years younger.
24:16Okay, gotcha.
24:17So did you talk him into joining a band,
24:19or was it both you just wanted to do it?
24:21Well, he became a very,
24:23very good keyboard player,
24:25so he became extremely useful to me.
24:26Yeah.
24:26So then I...
24:28That's a key to younger brothers everywhere.
24:30It's like, learn a skill.
24:32Yeah, learn a skill.
24:34And then I put him in the band,
24:36and he's an extraordinary musician
24:38still to this day.
24:39And so, yeah,
24:41then we got very serious.
24:43We were very serious about it.
24:44You know, it didn't quite work out.
24:45You have a radio show on BBC Radio 6.
24:48Yeah.
24:48Killian Murphy's limited edition.
24:49Yes.
24:50And this is very lo-fi as well.
24:53Where do you record your radio show?
24:54Oh, just in the basement of my house.
24:56Okay, great.
24:57And this is basically, you curate a playlist.
24:59Yeah, I have a...
25:01Do you remember in the old days,
25:02some of you might remember this,
25:03you would make mixtapes and cassettes.
25:05Yeah.
25:06Like, just, yeah.
25:08It was so much fun,
25:11and they were so, like,
25:13they were filled with so much meaning,
25:14and everyone would take such care
25:16to make the cassettes
25:17and write the names out on the back
25:19and, you know, name the cassettes.
25:21So it's kind of like
25:22sort of a digital version of that,
25:25and I do a little bit of
25:27waffling on in between,
25:28but it's just, like, little mixtapes.
25:31I want to applaud the amount of waffling
25:33because, one,
25:34I find your voice very calming,
25:36and I also like your music taste,
25:38so it works out really well.
25:39I would worry that I would want to talk,
25:41over-talk about how much I like each song.
25:43I feel like you've found a nice balance
25:45where, like, I can tell exactly
25:46how much each song means to you,
25:48but then you don't overstay your welcome.
25:49Is that something you've found right away?
25:51That's very kind.
25:52No, I think I just get a little embarrassed
25:54listening to myself.
25:55Yeah.
25:56You know, you sound...
25:57What are you talking about?
25:59I also like, you know,
26:01when songs go into, move into other songs.
26:03Yes.
26:03So that, again, the playlist thing,
26:05so one song would speak to another song
26:07would speak to another song,
26:08and so I adore making those shows.
26:10It gets trickier, I think,
26:12as you get older, to still discover new music.
26:14Do you feel like you're doing a good job
26:16at holding on to that?
26:17My kids do.
26:18Yeah.
26:19You know, they're 18 and 20,
26:21so they're extremely relevant
26:24and extremely keyed in,
26:27you know what I mean?
26:27Did you have a lot to do?
26:29Did you try to, like,
26:31sort of seed your musical DNA
26:32in their tastes when they were young?
26:34Yes.
26:35I mean, I feel like I brainwashed them
26:37in a really good way.
26:38Like, you know, like,
26:40driving them to school in the morning,
26:42they're stuck there for that length of time.
26:45Yeah.
26:45Just play the Beatles,
26:47play Led Zeppelin,
26:48play Nina Simone, just over and over.
26:49And they wouldn't sort of bully you out,
26:51because I, maybe my kids
26:52just don't like my music taste,
26:53but I couldn't make,
26:55I could not get them, for example,
26:57to listen to Led Zeppelin
26:58until there was a song in, like, Thor.
27:01And then they were like,
27:02oh, we like that song.
27:03I'm like, I've played you that song.
27:06And it turns out, like,
27:07I guess they want to hear it
27:07via Chris Hemsworth,
27:09like, not via me.
27:10It's hard to resist it, then, I think.
27:12Yeah.
27:12I just played it really, really loud.
27:14I think I just didn't listen to them.
27:16Well, that's right.
27:16Yeah.
27:16I guess if you turn it up so loud
27:17they can't hear it, yeah,
27:18that's a good way of going about it.
27:19You also have,
27:21you interact with your listeners,
27:23which is you answer questions,
27:26but you,
27:27it's a very nice way
27:28to sort of qualify the questions.
27:31You want reasonable questions.
27:32I only want reasonable questions.
27:34And is this something that,
27:35from the very beginning,
27:36did you ask for reasonable questions only?
27:38Did you know that
27:38if you didn't sort of make that a distinction,
27:40you would get dumb questions?
27:43Yes.
27:43Yeah.
27:44Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:45I think you have to, like,
27:47no, people are extremely respectful,
27:49and it's generally about music
27:52and about a little bit about,
27:55kind of, books or, you know,
27:56very little about, you know, acting work,
27:59which is lovely relief
28:00for just to take a little pause from that
28:02and to talk about stuff
28:03that you're really passionate about.
28:05Yeah.
28:05Do you ever, I mean,
28:06I think there's also something
28:08really vulnerable about putting together,
28:09like, I mean,
28:10mixed tapes especially,
28:11but, like, this is sort of
28:12this very public mixed tape.
28:14Yeah.
28:14And I feel like there's a tendency
28:16for people to sort of, like,
28:17shame you for your musical tastes
28:19and whatnot.
28:19Do you overthink it ever,
28:21or are you just like,
28:22I'm fully confident with what I like?
28:24Yeah, I overthink it.
28:25Like, everything,
28:26I overthink everything, probably.
28:27But, like, I think that music,
28:32like, I think it's impossible
28:34to be a music snob, right,
28:35if you listen to everything.
28:36Yeah.
28:37You know, I think the snobs
28:38are the people that just listen
28:39to one type of music or one record.
28:42If you listen to every genre
28:44and you're open to everything,
28:46then, you know,
28:48then you can only be curious.
28:49Curiosity is the thing you need for music.
28:52I also still like
28:53when a human being
28:54sort of curates a playlist,
28:56because I think one of the problems
28:57of, like, the algorithm
28:58and, like, AI, right,
28:59is they'll listen to, like,
29:01what I'm listening to
29:01and they'll be like,
29:02you should, like, this, this, and this,
29:03and it's always exactly the same
29:05as what I'm listening to.
29:05So, I highly recommend it.
29:08And I just want to,
29:09I think you have very good musical tastes
29:10and I like listening to you
29:11talk about your songs.
29:12That's very kind of you.
29:12And it's great to see you again.
29:13Thank you so much for being here.
29:15Congrats on the film.
29:16It was a pleasure.
29:17Gary Murphy, everyone.
29:18T.C. Blinders,
29:19the Immortal Man is in theaters now
29:20will be available on Netflix
29:21on March 20th.
29:22Stick around.
29:23We're going to be right back
29:23with Mally J. Lowe.
29:39Welcome back, everybody.
29:40Our next guest is an Academy Award-nominated
29:43director, writer, actress
29:44you know from films such as
29:46The Lost Daughter,
29:47The Dark Knight, Crazy Heart,
29:48and shows like The Deuce
29:49and The Honorable Woman.
29:50Her new film, The Bride,
29:52is in theaters at IMAX now.
29:53Let's take a look.
29:55I am a monster.
29:57Yeah.
30:01So am I.
30:03I don't want to let you go.
30:06I don't, I don't,
30:07I don't think that's my name anymore.
30:09Let's find a new one.
30:11Let's start over.
30:12Yeah, a new name.
30:13Yes.
30:14Yes.
30:15Yes!
30:17Yes!
30:22The Bride.
30:24Oh.
30:27I love it.
30:29Please welcome back to the show
30:31Maggie Gyllenhaal, everybody.
30:46Hi, welcome back.
30:47How are you?
30:48I'm good.
30:49Congratulations.
30:50This film is like nothing I've ever seen.
30:52It is so visually stunning.
30:54It's also so,
30:55it's written in a way,
30:56I mean, genuinely funny moments,
30:58genuinely terrifying moments,
31:00like violent moments.
31:01Like, when you set out to make it,
31:03did you,
31:04were you planning to make something
31:06that had just so many genres
31:08weaving together like this?
31:11I think I just was trying to
31:14express the things that were on my mind,
31:17you know?
31:18And I think, actually,
31:19I sort of have this feeling
31:20that we're,
31:21we're almost post-genre.
31:23Yeah, I think that's true.
31:25Like, think about like
31:25one battle after another.
31:26Yes.
31:26Such a great movie
31:27that I really admired.
31:28What genre is that?
31:29Right.
31:30And to me, I think,
31:31especially when there are
31:33people coming from
31:34very different experiences
31:35behind the camera
31:36now more than ever,
31:38maybe like one genre
31:39doesn't cut it.
31:40Well, I also think,
31:41you know, as human,
31:43when you live a human existence,
31:44like over the course
31:44of any given day,
31:45you're having drama
31:46in your life.
31:47Totally.
31:47You're having humor
31:48in your life.
31:48Totally.
31:48You know, you can,
31:49you can feel grief one moment
31:51and then laughing the next.
31:52And so I think sometimes
31:53when we allow them all to get,
31:54it feels like
31:55a more authentic experience.
31:56Yeah, and it's just like
31:57the language I speak in.
31:59Yeah.
31:59You know, I mean,
32:00it's just like,
32:01and I think to just be hemmed
32:03into one genre,
32:04at least for me,
32:05would be a shame.
32:06So your first,
32:07your directorial debut
32:08was The Lost Daughter
32:09in 2021.
32:10You also wrote that script,
32:11directed it.
32:12An incredible film.
32:13It felt grounded,
32:14like, in a way
32:15that this wasn't,
32:16because, you know,
32:18this is, again,
32:19like something
32:20I've never seen before.
32:21Do you feel like
32:21you had to make,
32:22did you have to direct
32:23a film like The Lost Daughter
32:24first before you were willing
32:25to take this sort of
32:27incredible swing of this one?
32:29It's so funny.
32:30Everyone keeps calling this,
32:31like, a big, wild swing,
32:33and it's just what's happening
32:35in my mind.
32:36Right.
32:37So maybe that's where
32:38just, like, your mind...
32:40I mean, people are like,
32:41it's radical,
32:42it's so wild,
32:43and it's like starting
32:44all these conversations online,
32:45and I'm like,
32:47it's just me.
32:50It's just what, like,
32:51Oh, no.
32:51So now are you like,
32:52oh, no.
32:55I'm like,
32:56I don't know.
32:58Honestly, I'm like,
33:00just come to the movies
33:01and see the movie.
33:02Well, it's a,
33:03I mean, it's a movie.
33:04Like, in the way that, like,
33:06I think it's really special
33:07when, you know, again,
33:09I feel like we get
33:10fewer and fewer movies,
33:11which can only be described
33:12as like,
33:13and it is grand.
33:14Maybe that's better
33:15than a big swing.
33:16There is a grandness to it
33:18that I really appreciate.
33:19There is a grandness to it,
33:20and I also really appreciate that.
33:23I mean, let's say
33:23The Lost Daughter,
33:24which was a tiny movie,
33:26itty-bitty movie,
33:27and ultimately came out
33:29on Netflix,
33:29and they were incredible with it.
33:31They just got it
33:32all over the world.
33:34This is a movie
33:35made for a movie theater.
33:37I mean, this is a movie,
33:38I was thinking about this,
33:39actually.
33:40I was thinking about
33:40Trainspotting.
33:41When I went to go see
33:42Trainspotting,
33:42and I was 17 or something,
33:44I went all by myself,
33:46and I was a different person
33:48when I walked out of that theater,
33:50and I went by myself,
33:51and I sat with strangers
33:53in a movie theater,
33:53and I think,
33:55God, everyone in my life
33:56is kind of talking about
33:58how movies are dead,
33:59and movies are over,
34:00and like, you know,
34:00streaming is taking over,
34:02and I think,
34:02if you love movies,
34:04go see them.
34:05Yeah.
34:07Cool.
34:07And if you,
34:10there are some movies,
34:13like The Lost Daughter,
34:13to be honest,
34:14could have been watched
34:15on your computer.
34:16That's okay.
34:17This movie is like
34:19a roller coaster.
34:20This movie is like,
34:21you put your seatbelt on,
34:23you're sitting next to
34:23either a stranger
34:24or someone you went with,
34:25and you're like,
34:25you don't get off
34:26until it's over,
34:27and then it feels like
34:28going to, like, a concert.
34:30It's fun.
34:31You mentioned that,
34:31because I, by the way,
34:32I had the exact same,
34:33Trainspotting is one
34:34of those movies I remember.
34:35I know, the theater,
34:36I saw it in Chicago,
34:37I remember where it was.
34:38But, like, you also lose
34:39that feeling of, like,
34:40when you see a movie
34:41in a movie theater,
34:42you have to, like,
34:43you have to decompress
34:44when you walk out.
34:45Like, one of the things
34:45about seeing it
34:46on your computer
34:47is then, you know,
34:48the minute a movie ends,
34:49you can, like,
34:49go straight to your email,
34:50and there's not that time
34:51in between
34:52where you kind of
34:53think about it.
34:54That's true,
34:55and also, I think,
34:56my movie, as you said,
34:59you know, is,
35:00it's new.
35:01Yeah.
35:02It's different.
35:02It's in a different language.
35:03You have to kind of
35:05learn the language of it,
35:06and it's,
35:07I think it's nice
35:08to have to go somewhere
35:09to do that.
35:10Like, a friend of mine
35:10told me that they went
35:12to see my film
35:12on the weekend,
35:13and then they were,
35:14and it's kind of a,
35:15like, an older couple,
35:17and that they went to sushi,
35:18and they met a friend,
35:20and, you know,
35:20they made, like,
35:20a night of it,
35:21which I do think
35:23that's what movies
35:23were supposed to be.
35:24Yeah.
35:25You know?
35:26You talk about
35:27how you have to learn
35:28the new language.
35:30You did also get
35:31to not fall back on,
35:33but have the,
35:34I don't know,
35:34the benefit of working
35:35with people you've
35:36worked with before.
35:37You know,
35:38you directed Jesse before.
35:39You've worked with
35:40Christian Bale before.
35:42Your brother Jake's in it.
35:43Your husband Peter's in it.
35:44Is it nice?
35:45Do you love being able
35:46to go to work with people
35:47that you're close with
35:49like that?
35:49I mean,
35:50I find one of my favorite
35:53things about directing,
35:55which I learned
35:55on The Last Daughter
35:56and absolutely took
35:57with me onto this one
35:58is that each actor
36:01needs to be spoken to
36:03and interacted with
36:04in a different way.
36:05You know,
36:06some actors,
36:07you can give them
36:07seven notes
36:08that just occurred to you
36:09and they'll love them.
36:10And, like,
36:10Dakota Johnson,
36:11I think,
36:11is like that.
36:12And she'll just stick,
36:13whatever sticks, sticks.
36:14Yeah.
36:14If I tried that
36:15with Annette Bening,
36:16she would be like,
36:17walk away.
36:19But I learned that
36:20really quickly
36:21and I took the note.
36:23Do you,
36:23did you,
36:24it's interesting
36:25because obviously
36:25you had been directed
36:27for the entirety
36:28of your career,
36:28but I guess that's
36:29something you have
36:30to actually be
36:30on the other side
36:31of to realize
36:31that, like,
36:32oh, there's,
36:32everybody needs
36:33their notes
36:34in a different way.
36:34Well, no,
36:35I mean,
36:35honestly,
36:35I do think
36:36that having been
36:38directed for my
36:39entire career
36:41massively impacted
36:42how I deal
36:43with actors.
36:43I think,
36:44um,
36:45I know
36:46as an actress
36:47that being seen,
36:49being given space
36:50to express myself,
36:52the reason I came
36:53to take this job,
36:54what I want to say,
36:56and really,
36:57to be just completely
36:58honest,
36:58being loved
37:00makes all the difference.
37:02And so,
37:02I love them.
37:05I really do.
37:07I also know
37:09you were someone
37:10who loves New York City
37:11and you shot this film,
37:13did you,
37:13almost every borough,
37:15correct?
37:15Yeah,
37:16I think we did
37:16hit every borough.
37:17You hit every borough.
37:18There's a great moment
37:18in Washington Square Park
37:20and I live near there
37:22and I'm always,
37:23it's funny
37:23because every now and then
37:24obviously people film
37:24in Washington Square Park
37:25all the time
37:26and even though
37:26I'm in show business,
37:28every time I see,
37:29like,
37:29you know,
37:29a film crew truck,
37:30I'm like,
37:30oh my God,
37:31they're shooting a movie.
37:31Like,
37:31I get so excited.
37:32I know,
37:33I know.
37:34My husband always jokes,
37:35anytime he sees
37:36a film truck,
37:37you know,
37:38in New York City,
37:39he says,
37:39why aren't I in that?
37:42Did you?
37:43But it must have been,
37:44you know,
37:44somebody who's from New York.
37:46It must be crazy
37:46to have, like,
37:47Washington Square Park
37:48to yourself.
37:49It was amazing
37:49and it wasn't just,
37:50like,
37:50Washington Square Park.
37:51Like,
37:52it was, like,
37:52night time,
37:54major crane,
37:55beautiful,
37:56beautiful,
37:56like,
37:57filming of this
37:57iconic place
37:58that's meant so much
37:59to me as a New Yorker.
38:01Yeah.
38:02That was very special.
38:04That was very special
38:05and,
38:06you know,
38:07you get to see
38:08Frankenstein
38:09in Washington Square Park.
38:10Yeah,
38:11Frankenstein in the park.
38:12I guess it must have been
38:13when you were shooting
38:14the film
38:14because I was walking
38:15through Washington Square Park
38:17with my sons one morning.
38:19We were going to school
38:19and Jessie was coming
38:20the other way
38:20and she'd been on the show
38:22one time.
38:22I don't know her,
38:23but just, you know.
38:24Was she dressed as the bride?
38:24She was not.
38:25Okay.
38:26But she, like,
38:27like, you know,
38:28Jessie feels like
38:29she's, like,
38:30visiting this world.
38:31You know what I mean?
38:32She's, like,
38:33in a wonderful way.
38:34Like, there's something,
38:34like, I don't know,
38:35like, ethereal about it.
38:36And yet,
38:38so human.
38:38Yes.
38:39Jessie Buckley
38:40can play a monster
38:42and you can feel like
38:44that might be me.
38:46I've got a little monster, too.
38:49She, uh,
38:50it was the best moment
38:51because she walked by
38:51and saw me
38:52and recognized me
38:53and then the boys
38:53and she just went, like,
38:54ah!
38:56And then just walked by
38:57and my kids were, like,
38:58who was that?
38:59She made a giant impact
39:01in a very brief amount of time.
39:03She makes a giant impact
39:04that way.
39:04It has been pointed out,
39:06I think, very accurately
39:08that Frankenstein and the Bride
39:09will be due to
39:10an incredible amount
39:11of wardrobe and makeup.
39:12Like, just the vision
39:13of what they look like
39:15is so stunning.
39:16This, I feel like,
39:17is going to be a real
39:18Halloween go-to
39:19for people this year.
39:20But you don't have to
39:21wait for Halloween.
39:24See?
39:28This is one of those
39:29big swings
39:30that the rest of us
39:31aren't willing to do.
39:32Like, we're like,
39:33we'll do it, Maggie,
39:34but just please let us
39:35wait till Halloween.
39:36Where's the black lipstick?
39:37Yeah, it's a good look.
39:39Congratulations.
39:40It is really something to see
39:41and let me echo the sentiment
39:43that seeing it on a big screen
39:44is the way to go.
39:45Thank you so much
39:46for being here.
39:46It's always a pleasure
39:47to see you.
39:49And everyone,
39:49The Bride is in theaters
39:51and I'm Max Now.
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