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00:04Start the clock.
00:40Thank you so much.
00:46How are you doing?
00:48All right.
00:49Wow.
00:51So much excitement.
00:55Oh, I love you too.
00:57Thank you so much.
00:58Listen.
01:00I know.
01:05I appreciate it.
01:13Well, did I have a heart attack or something?
01:17I'm fine, but I appreciate it.
01:19And I know why you're happy.
01:20Congress finally has passed a funding bill for the Homeland Security Department, which means the TSA, the people who keep
01:26us safe from shampoo.
01:27So that's finally over after 11 weeks.
01:32And all the big airports have already been upgraded from complete shit show to giant pain in the ball.
01:37So that's, uh, but, of course, the big story.
01:46Another week where political violence has reared its ugly head again.
01:51We are officially now, I'm sure you saw what happened at the Correspondent Center, in the age of Gen Z
01:56assassins.
01:58Did you see this one?
01:59Before he did it, he took a selfie.
02:03No, I'm not making that up.
02:06His manifesto had jokes.
02:08Jokes.
02:08And it was on recycled paper.
02:10I mean, this is, we're in a very different era.
02:14Well, uh, but, you know, so we know who this guy is now.
02:18At the time, it happened, nobody knew.
02:20No one knew, because I just knew a guy.
02:22He had a shotgun.
02:23He had a .38.
02:24He had hunting knives.
02:25Either it was a far-left activist heading out to kill or a right-winger heading out to dinner.
02:30I mean, uh, but, I am not surprised that it didn't work, that it failed, because, trust me, from a
02:41comic, no one ever kills at the Correspondent's Dinner.
02:44Uh, I've been there.
02:51Yeah, and, of course, the good news is that no one at the banquet was hurt, uh, really.
02:56As soon as it started, uh, everyone went under the table, where a lot of the Trump administration was anyway.
03:03I kid, uh, oh.
03:09I kid the Trump people.
03:11They like a little nip of the sauce every once in a while.
03:15But, you know, when you saw pictures of this guy and you heard about him, engineer at Caltech, it was
03:19like, it's a little disturbing.
03:21You know, he seemed like such a nice, normal guy, the last person you would ever expect to be trying
03:26to kill the president until he was activated by James Comey's seashells.
03:35Have you heard about this?
03:38Yes?
03:40Very serious stuff.
03:43The Justice Department is trying to put former head of the FBI, James Comey, in jail for posting seashells.
03:51Why?
03:51Because the seashells spelled out 86-47.
03:58He's the Manchurian beachcomber.
04:02That's...
04:0486, you get it?
04:0586, get rid of 47.
04:08Ah!
04:09Yeah, they're going a little crazy there in Washington.
04:12But it was a big, oh, big week for, uh, kings.
04:15Are you fans of kings?
04:17A weird week for kings.
04:18Because King Charles of England was here, spoke to a congress, got a standing ovation from the people who were,
04:24used to be at the No Kings rallies.
04:26So, uh, and...
04:29And then...
04:32And then, the rest of the time here, he hung out with Trump.
04:35These two, when they're, when they're on a play date, they are having...
04:40No, they just vibe.
04:41They just, you know, same age, they kind of dig each other, and they get it, the little thing.
04:45And, you know, they're cousins.
04:47They're 15th room of cousins.
04:48They share an ancestor, the Duke of Orange.
04:52Uh...
04:54Uh...
04:54Uh...
04:56Uh...
04:56No, it's funny...
04:58It is funny, because King Charles is officially a king, but he doesn't act or can't act.
05:04You know, England is a parliamentary system, they act like a king.
05:07And Trump...
05:09Trump this week put his face on a coin.
05:12You know, like Julius Caesar used to do.
05:15His face on a coin.
05:16And it's like a regular coin, except it just doesn't make sense.
05:22Oh, I kid.
05:25Uh...
05:25Oh, yeah, over at the war.
05:28Remember the war?
05:29You remember the war.
05:31Uh, no changes.
05:32The staring contest continues.
05:34Uh, this is getting uncomfortably like a relationship fight.
05:39And we're at the not-spin...
05:41We're not speaking, we're arguing over who broke up with who phase.
05:46Fuck that, I fucked that up.
05:49It wasn't going to be that big anyway.
05:51I'm telling you, you didn't miss a lot.
05:54But, uh...
05:58But, uh, at least good news out here.
06:00You know why?
06:01Hollywood?
06:02Hello.
06:02The box office?
06:04Back again, baby.
06:05Devil Wears Prada opens today.
06:07They think that's going to make a fortune.
06:09Project Hail Mary was a big hit at the...
06:11People are going to the movies again?
06:14Yeah, man.
06:17Oh, and Michael.
06:18The Michael Jackson movie.
06:19Huge.
06:20Oh, you saw it?
06:21Yeah.
06:22Yeah, especially among the younger generation.
06:25Michael's really good at luring kids.
06:28No, the movie.
06:30I...
06:32Uh...
06:34And also big news here from California, the billionaire's tax.
06:39You know what this is?
06:40They've been talking about it for a long time, a one-time tax, if you have a billion dollars.
06:44And now, just this week, we got the news of enough signatures for it to be on the ballot
06:48in November to send a powerful message.
06:50California doesn't belong to the rich.
06:52It belongs to the millions of faceless, anonymous people who are running for governor.
06:56All right.
06:57We've got a great show.
06:59We have the governor.
07:00We have Jillian Tett and Brett Stevens.
07:02But also the Democratic governor of the state, host of the This Is Gavin Newsom podcast,
07:08an author of Young Men in a Hurry, a memoir of discovery.
07:10Our governor, Gavin Newsom.
07:17Good to be home, huh?
07:18Good to be home.
07:24Okay.
07:25So?
07:26All right.
07:27So, you heard what I ended there with, the billionaire tax.
07:30Yeah.
07:31And I know you are against the billionaire tax.
07:33So this is interesting to people who don't live here and follow it.
07:36They would think, oh, Gavin Newsom, far lefty.
07:38He's going to be for the billionaire tax.
07:41But you're not.
07:42Well, I think billionaires do need to be taxed more, but just not at the state level.
07:46Capital moves.
07:47And the challenge with this particular tax is it doesn't include firefighters and teachers.
07:52They're left out of the tax.
07:54It's one time.
07:55And we've already seen dozens and dozens of people leave the state.
07:58But my state of mind is crystal clear.
08:01At a federal level, the imbalance between the rich and the poor has got to be addressed.
08:05And the issue of ultra-wealthy, folks like Buffett, folks like Bezos, folks like Bloomberg, paying one to two percent
08:13tax.
08:14You pay, Bill, a hell of a lot more.
08:16I talked about it last week.
08:18They tax the shit out of us.
08:20Yeah.
08:20The regular rich.
08:21Yeah.
08:23No one stands up for the regular rich.
08:25No one stands up.
08:27And two with the point.
08:29So for the ultra-wealthy, we've got to deal with a stepped-up basis.
08:32We've got to deal with the fact that we're not taxing capital gains at income tax or ordinary income.
08:36We've got to address the fact they're borrowing against tax about their capital gains.
08:40And they're passing on these massive trusts without any taxation to the next generation.
08:45All of that needs to happen.
08:46But this particular tax is not the answer.
08:49Okay.
08:49But we're not here to talk about politics.
08:51You're...
08:52You...
08:54You're...
08:55You're...
08:55I'm...
08:57I'm...
08:58That's...
09:00What do you want to talk about, Bill?
09:01Your book.
09:02Oh, that's it.
09:03You're...
09:03A politician with a book.
09:05You forgot what you're doing.
09:06I forgot this is a book tour.
09:07You're on a book tour.
09:08I'm on a book tour.
09:09A young man in a hurry.
09:10Exactly.
09:11Gee, you're on a...
09:12This is about the book.
09:13We're not talking about politics.
09:14It's just about the book.
09:15Yes, sir.
09:16How is the book affecting your campaign for president?
09:20No.
09:22Well, then.
09:22No, it's a...
09:23I know.
09:24It's a cliché.
09:25I will say this.
09:26I don't know why everybody running for president, not that you are, wink, wink, has to write a book.
09:31But this one is different.
09:32It is not your typical book that a politician writes.
09:35It's better.
09:35First of all, it's not sentimental.
09:38No.
09:39And it's really your voice.
09:40Yes.
09:41You know, it's...
09:42What?
09:43No, I appreciate it.
09:44Keep going.
09:44No, it is.
09:45It is.
09:46I'm enjoying this.
09:47It is.
09:47I mean, and, you know, it's honest in the sense that, you know, you didn't have the easy time a
09:53lot of people think.
09:54Yeah.
09:55You had what I would call a normal fucked up family.
10:00Every family's a little messed up, right?
10:02And that was yours.
10:03Yeah, teenage mom, divorced family, a mom that worked two, three jobs all her life, and a father that was
10:08distant, years and years, trying to connect with him.
10:11And finally, I was able to do it.
10:12And he was there for the day I got elected governor and passed away shortly thereafter.
10:16And so it's a story that's very familiar with a lot of folks.
10:19And it's a story that's really a love letter to single moms, my rock star mom that just did everything
10:25and sacrificed for me.
10:26So, but Bill, I appreciate what you're saying.
10:29This is not a book, you know, this is not some triumphant BS book.
10:34I mean, I tried to scrutinize my life.
10:36I wasn't trying to sanitize anything.
10:38And I went back all my mistakes.
10:39If you don't like me, you should buy this in bulk.
10:42Because there's all kinds of issues there that can exploit.
10:45But it's an honest portrayal of this young man in a hurry.
10:48You put a mask on, and my face started growing into it.
10:51And I was becoming someone that I didn't want to be.
10:53And a big part of, you know, why I wrote it was just let go.
10:58And just, you know, just start to be myself, warts and all, and love me or hate me.
11:01Well, they will pick out things like that in the campaign and use them against you.
11:05I know, I'm just saying.
11:07What campaign are you keep referring to?
11:13Unbelievable.
11:13You're right.
11:14Unbelievable, Bill.
11:16Really, really.
11:17I meant your book tour.
11:22No, but I mean, as this, well, you are officially the frontrunner.
11:27I mean, they do polling, and you are the frontrunner of the Democratic Party.
11:29Okay, that's just a fact.
11:34I mean, as the heat gets heatier, you, you, it must worry you.
11:42I mean, what you saw this weekend in Washington, with, with, not just coming after you, obviously,
11:47when you, when you run for office, the horrible things people write and people say,
11:51and there is nothing off limits to take you down.
11:54No.
11:54And you've already been there, but it's, it only gets worse the closer you get to the prize.
11:58That's right.
11:59What did you think when you saw that this weekend?
12:02Well, evil.
12:02I mean, you know, you've got to condemn it.
12:03You've got to call it out.
12:05And so I don't like the rhetoric on either side.
12:07We all have to be held to a higher level of accountability.
12:10So, you know, that's easy to condemn.
12:12But there's also an asymmetry here.
12:14You have the president of the United States that sets the tone and tenor for this country.
12:17And that's not a partisan statement.
12:18That's an institutional statement.
12:20Right.
12:20He's the president.
12:21And you just made the point.
12:22What did he do the day after?
12:23He talked about, you know, a beach photo and an indictment of, of one of his enemies.
12:27He talked about his ballroom, his Kremlin ballroom.
12:30He's not doing anything to try to unite this country in any way, shape or form.
12:35And, you know, for me, that's, to me, that's the biggest reflection of this moment is how, just the sewer
12:45that we're now living in because of Donald Trump.
12:49And he's allowed all of us to feel free to shove again.
12:52And I think, you know, if nothing else, forget that.
12:55But you, but many people would say that you are imitating him.
12:58You, among all the people who may or may not be running, you are the one who kind of imitates
13:05his style with the trolling.
13:06With.
13:07You're suing Fox now, I understand.
13:09Yeah.
13:09That's, that's right out of the.
13:10Well, we're going into discovery.
13:11Fox better look to settle right now or apologize for defamation.
13:15Okay, but that sounds exactly like what he does.
13:17But different point.
13:17Suing media.
13:18Different point.
13:19Well, then don't defame.
13:20Don't lie.
13:20And, you know, Fox is a propaganda.
13:22Okay, again, but that does sound like him.
13:23Well, here's the point.
13:24I'm trying to put a mirror up to Donald Trump.
13:26Yeah.
13:26And I think it's important.
13:27With the sense of humor as well.
13:30The deviation of normalcy is off the chart.
13:32This is a guy cosplaying as the Pope, embarrassing up as Jesus.
13:35You know, this guy putting his face on Mount Rushmore, doing an all cap.
13:39None of this is normal.
13:40And you may recall when I first started doing this, the folks on Fox said,
13:44Oh, this is so unbecoming of the governor of California.
13:47He should wash out his mouth with soap and water.
13:50With no situational awareness that their dear leader has been doing this for years and years and years.
13:56He's a man-child.
13:57And so I think it's important to call that out.
14:00Yeah.
14:00The dignity of the president of the United States.
14:05But again, we're not trying to dehumanize.
14:09We're just trying to reflect that reality and express the absurdity of all of this.
14:14And look, the absurdity, it's every day.
14:17It's a corruption story, the Trump administration.
14:20You referenced it obliquely in the opening monologue.
14:23But let's get serious.
14:24He's got eight or nine countries.
14:26He's done major golf course or development deals.
14:29It's meme coins and stable coins.
14:31It's crypto.
14:32It's World Liberty Financial.
14:34It's getting, you know, a piece of the peace.
14:36I mean, this peace board is about getting a peace for Whitcoff and for Kushner.
14:40You see Donald Trump Jr. in the drone companies, in the mineral companies.
14:44You're seeing the kind of corruption that's not, you know, it's not $60 Bibles.
14:48It's not sneakers.
14:49It's not $100,000 watches.
14:51It's the greatest grift we've ever seen in our lifetime.
14:54And that also needs to be called out.
14:57We can't allow any of this to be normalized.
15:00So our social media is part of that.
15:03And that's why, you know, we've got to continue to be accountable.
15:06Okay, well, that's all true.
15:08And it's going to be a great part of your platform.
15:13The other side, what they're going to say, though, is,
15:15but have you seen the stats from California?
15:18Good.
15:18What?
15:19Well, that people...
15:20For the largest economy, let's go.
15:22Well, are they going to say good about gas prices?
15:24Are they going to say good about how high the rents are?
15:27So many people...
15:28I mean, there's a whole litany.
15:30I mean, the train, Gavin.
15:31Okay, the train.
15:32You've got to get rid of the train.
15:33The train?
15:34I say this as a friend.
15:35You've got to let that train go.
15:36Let the train go.
15:38It's up to $231 billion.
15:40No, it's not.
15:40It's not.
15:41It's not.
15:41We're doing $119 million segment.
15:43We've got it back on track.
15:44It goes back three administrations.
15:46I inherited a mess.
15:48We put it back on track.
15:49All the environmental work is behind us.
15:50We're actually laying the track.
15:52All the legal litigation,
15:53all the land issues are all behind us.
15:55We're actually making this project work.
15:58And so that's a fact.
16:00Now, on the issue of California...
16:01Well, it's been a long time coming.
16:03Of course it has.
16:04And you can't make up for the past.
16:05I can only make up for my segment,
16:08literally and figuratively,
16:10as governor over the last seven years.
16:12But look, you talk about California.
16:14We're the envy of the world.
16:16Since I've been governor,
16:17no other developed nation
16:18has outperformed our economy.
16:21No other state has outperformed
16:22the economy of state of California.
16:24Do you think people feel that on the...
16:25They may not feel that
16:26in every way, shape, or form,
16:27but we dominate in every key industry.
16:30We dominate in manufacturing,
16:31agriculture, hunting jobs,
16:33forestry jobs,
16:33more scientists,
16:34more Nobel laureates,
16:35more researchers,
16:36more...
16:37The higher system of higher education,
16:39the finest in the world,
16:40more venture capital.
16:41You talk about the future,
16:42you're talking about California
16:44and AI and quantum,
16:46on fusion, on space.
16:48California is dominant.
16:50We also have seen
16:51the last three years population growth.
16:53We've got to update our talking points.
16:55We've seen a 9% decline
16:56in unsheltered homelessness.
16:58We've got to update our talking points.
16:59We've seen a 60% increase
17:01in permits for housing.
17:03We've got to update talking points.
17:05I'm very proud of the state of California.
17:08What are you?
17:16When I see this...
17:17Oh, God.
17:18Here we go.
17:19I see a front run.
17:21I see this thing with the hand.
17:23Unbelievable.
17:24Look at that, Bill.
17:25Look at that.
17:27So, there's a governor race going on here now.
17:30Any favorites for who's...
17:32I'm trying to avoid it.
17:34I mean, the only thing I'm focused on
17:36is making sure that Democrats
17:38don't get locked out.
17:39It's an open primary,
17:40just two Republicans running,
17:41lots of Democrats running,
17:43Democrats diluting top two.
17:45So, let's make sure
17:46there's a Republican
17:47and a Democrat in the runoff.
17:48Okay.
17:49I want to read a statement.
17:52I read...
17:53Remember Barney Frank?
17:55He's ailing.
17:56I wanted to say,
17:57if you're watching,
17:58we love you.
17:59I always say he's my favorite congressman.
18:01Yeah.
18:02He was my favorite congressman.
18:04A legend.
18:05He said,
18:06Democrats have embraced an agenda
18:08that goes beyond
18:09what's politically acceptable.
18:11What do you think he means by that?
18:12I don't know.
18:13I think maybe talking about
18:14some of the things
18:15you've talked about for years
18:16and things that I've brought up
18:18as well as around
18:19being more culturally normal,
18:21which comes across
18:22for some very negatively.
18:24What does that mean?
18:25Which I understand.
18:25I just...
18:26Words matter.
18:27The way we talk about things matter.
18:28Getting stuck in identity politics.
18:31And policies, too, right?
18:31In some of the policies.
18:32Not all.
18:33Is there anything you're going to say
18:34California was too far left on?
18:36Because I feel like if you don't,
18:38I think a lot of the country
18:39is not going to listen.
18:41Yeah, look, I mean,
18:41I think there's a lot of things that,
18:43you know, I've said this in the past,
18:44things I could have done better,
18:45more.
18:46I look back at COVID.
18:47We just put out a detail,
18:48over a thousand pages,
18:49what we did right and wrong during COVID
18:51as it relates to the issues of outdoor
18:53and beaches being shut down,
18:55schools being shut down for too long.
18:57But we also made the point
18:58we had a lower death rate
18:59than any other large state,
19:00that our economy recovered
19:01faster than any other large state.
19:03And we had one of the fastest
19:04vaccine rollouts in the country.
19:06So there's good and bad
19:07on the issue of housing
19:09and homelessness,
19:09what we could have done
19:10more aggressively sooner.
19:11But on social issues,
19:13where I think you tend
19:14to be leaning in towards,
19:16you know, I've also,
19:17I've made my point of view
19:19known as it relates to issues
19:20of sports and transports,
19:22which I just think is,
19:23it's not being transphobic
19:24to be common sense.
19:26But I get how people
19:27are sensitive to that
19:28because that's been weaponized
19:30and people have been talked down to
19:32and the community's been abused
19:33by those that want to take advantage
19:35of this politically.
19:36So there's a sensitivity
19:37in all that.
19:38But look,
19:39if we're in identity space,
19:41if we're fighting
19:41the last culture war,
19:42we're toast.
19:43And perhaps that's what
19:44Barney's referring to
19:45and that's what you've been preaching
19:47and practicing,
19:48I think, appropriately
19:49for a long, long time.
19:50Well, you know,
19:51I certainly practice
19:57on my podcast,
19:59which I'd like you to do,
20:00Club Random,
20:01where I practice something
20:02that is legal.
20:02And by the way,
20:04who legalized that?
20:05You did.
20:05I just want to go on record.
20:07I just want to go on record.
20:09Good luck with the book.
20:11And whatever else
20:12you may be doing.
20:13Whatever else we are.
20:15Governor Gavin Newsom.
20:17Thank you, Paul.
20:18All right.
20:19Let's get our panel.
20:26Okay.
20:27He is a Pulitzer Prize-winning
20:28opinion columnist
20:29for The New York Times.
20:30Brett Stevens is over here.
20:34A bearded Brett Stevens.
20:36And she's the head
20:37of King's College, Cambridge,
20:38and a columnist
20:39for The Financial Times,
20:40Gillian Tett.
20:41Hey, good to see you.
20:44Okay.
20:46Well, let's get the ugly news
20:47about the political violence
20:49out of the way first
20:50because we have to talk about it.
20:51I'm just going to vomit
20:53my take on it
20:54and then you can argue.
20:55I would just like to say
20:57if you're one of these people,
20:58and there's many in this country
20:59who watched that
21:00and was disappointed
21:01the president wasn't killed.
21:04See?
21:04They're laughing at that.
21:06You're not a good person.
21:08Or a smart person.
21:09But definitely not a good person.
21:11I was reading this
21:12in your paper,
21:13an interview with
21:14Governor Pritzer of Illinois,
21:16and they asked him,
21:17like,
21:18what does the next president
21:19have to be?
21:19And he said,
21:20good,
21:21decent,
21:21and kind,
21:22which who can disagree with that?
21:24And certainly Trump
21:24has often not been good,
21:26decent,
21:26or kind.
21:27Right.
21:28But he's not Hitler.
21:29You can't say
21:30that you are
21:33fighting for democracy
21:34or a believer in democracy
21:36and at the same time
21:37excuse political violence
21:38as a mechanism
21:39for political change.
21:41It's one or the other.
21:42And that's the essence
21:43of our system,
21:45that it gives us
21:46the opportunity
21:46to change things
21:48through the will
21:49of the people
21:50and not through
21:51the barrel of a gun.
21:53And people who don't get that
21:54don't understand
21:56the basis of the system
21:58they are supposedly championing.
22:00And an awful...
22:00That's right.
22:05If you look at opinion polls,
22:07it's scary
22:08how much
22:09a proportion of Gen Z
22:11are now saying
22:11that they support
22:13some form of political violence
22:14to express, you know,
22:16their opposition.
22:16And that's got to change.
22:18I mean, that is simply not,
22:19as Brett says,
22:20the way to build a democracy.
22:21And it took King Charles
22:23to come over to America
22:24to essentially give a lecture
22:26about democracy.
22:30Well...
22:30OK.
22:31And it's probably...
22:32It was probably about
22:33the only lecture about democracy
22:34that President Trump,
22:36a.k.a. King Trump,
22:37would actually listen to.
22:39I mean...
22:40You British really
22:41don't want to let go
22:42of that democracy.
22:42I am both American...
22:43You really, really don't.
22:45I'm actually both...
22:45I swing both ways.
22:46I'm American and British.
22:48OK.
22:48So pass the accent.
22:49When you mention Gen Z,
22:50I also think that
22:51it's a function
22:52of an educational system
22:54that for way too long
22:56thought that censoriousness
22:58was a mechanism
23:00for social change.
23:02That telling people
23:03to shut up,
23:04that their views
23:04were wrong,
23:06that you could
23:07shout down speakers,
23:08that you could
23:08disinvite people
23:09from your campus.
23:11You didn't have to
23:12listen to the other side.
23:13You could go
23:14and occupy a college campus
23:16because you believed
23:17in, say,
23:18you know,
23:18Palestinian rights.
23:22And you wanted
23:24to champion
23:25globalizing the Intifada.
23:26Eventually,
23:27that has consequences.
23:28I mean,
23:28there's a reason
23:29why you're seeing
23:30this kind of sense
23:32of permission
23:33among younger people
23:35for violent behavior.
23:37Because if you think
23:37globalizing the Intifada
23:38is like a cool slogan
23:40to chant,
23:40at some point,
23:42whether it's the Intifada
23:43or some other
23:43trendy political cause,
23:45someone in that group
23:46is going to believe
23:47it's true
23:48and they're going
23:48to act on it.
23:49And it's not just
23:50university, sir.
23:54I mean,
23:55a lot of this
23:55is actually TikTok,
23:57YouTube,
23:57all the kind of
23:58social media
23:59that presents
24:00these very simple
24:00one-dimensional solutions.
24:02And assume that
24:03you can basically
24:04treat life
24:05like a video game.
24:06And if you don't like it,
24:07go bang, bang,
24:08and it's over.
24:08But some of the rhetoric
24:10is not just from TikTok.
24:11I get why that's a sewer.
24:13But this is mainstream.
24:15I mean,
24:15it's funny because
24:16I remember when
24:17the shoe was
24:18on the other foot
24:19and the liberals
24:20used to always say,
24:21and they were right
24:22to say it,
24:22that a lot of this
24:23very violent rhetoric
24:24that we hear on the left,
24:26it inspires
24:27the borderline personality
24:29to then do something.
24:30And they were right.
24:31I never thought
24:32they were wrong.
24:33But the shoe's
24:34on the other foot now.
24:35I mean,
24:36it's on both feet.
24:36But you've got to
24:37own this kind of rhetoric.
24:39And, you know,
24:39if you call Trump,
24:41this is why I was against
24:41this he's Hitler bullshit.
24:43I mean,
24:44if you really believe
24:45that he is
24:46a Hitler-McPedophile,
24:48then you kind of
24:49have to kill him.
24:51That's the mentality
24:52they have.
24:53Well, both sides,
24:54you've got extremists
24:55on both sides.
24:55And the tragedy
24:56of most Americans,
24:57the majority of Americans
24:59actually are pretty centrist
25:00and don't like
25:01either extremes.
25:02But the political system
25:03is pulling us
25:04both ways right now.
25:05I think it's true.
25:06And I don't think
25:07that anyone
25:07who supports Trump
25:10and is horrified
25:11by the violence
25:12that they saw
25:13at the correspondence dinner
25:15or the two previous
25:16assassination attempts,
25:17they all have to take
25:19a big step back
25:21and ask themselves
25:22how are they
25:23supporting a president
25:24whose tweets
25:26or social media posts
25:28whose rhetoric
25:30is consistently trying
25:32to delegitimize
25:33his political opponents.
25:35Trump did it
25:35not with one
25:36Democratic president,
25:38President Obama
25:39calling into question
25:40his birth certificate,
25:41but with President Biden
25:42as well.
25:43And I just would like
25:45to ask people
25:45on the right,
25:46imagine if this had happened
25:47two or three years ago
25:49when President Biden
25:49was in office
25:50and the killer
25:51was some guy
25:52or the would-be assassin
25:53was some guy
25:53with a manifesto
25:54saying that Biden
25:55stole the election
25:56of 2020.
25:58Where would he have
25:58gotten that rhetoric?
25:59So there needs to be
26:00a deep, you know,
26:02chill in terms of
26:03the way in which
26:05we speak about
26:07our political opponents.
26:08But here's the thing, Brett.
26:09I mean, you know...
26:11APPLAUSE
26:13So I'm trained
26:14as a cultural anthropologist
26:15and anthropologists
26:16pointed out
26:17that a lot of what...
26:18That's your first mistake.
26:18My first mistake, apparently.
26:19Yeah.
26:20But there's a lot
26:22of the rhetoric
26:23and stylistic,
26:24you know,
26:25performative approach
26:26that Trump has borrowed
26:27from the wrestling ring
26:29if you look at how
26:30he's actually presenting
26:31himself politically.
26:32And an awful lot of it
26:33is about calling
26:34each other names
26:34and stage managing
26:36this fake conflict
26:37like it's a game.
26:39And so in a wrestling ring,
26:41it's fine.
26:41You can shout violence
26:42against each other,
26:43but then you take it
26:43to real life.
26:44Today we are talking
26:45about assassination,
26:47actually putting
26:48someone to death.
26:49What I'm saying here
26:50is that there is
26:51a problem with...
26:52Of course,
26:53whatever you just said
26:54about Trump is true
26:55and everything he tweets
26:57out and everything.
26:59There is a little bit
27:00of a difference
27:00between that
27:01and people who think
27:03we're in a mess
27:04in this country.
27:04The way out of this mess
27:06is he dies.
27:08That's what a lot
27:09of people think.
27:10And I'm just telling you,
27:12I don't think
27:12you're a good person there.
27:13I wouldn't want to be
27:14that person
27:15who thinks that way.
27:16Also, it's just not smart.
27:18You think that's going
27:19to solve the problem?
27:20He would be a martyr,
27:22first of all.
27:23They tried...
27:24J.D. Vance
27:24would be president.
27:25Well, yeah.
27:26I mean,
27:27MAGA's not going to die.
27:28They'd probably get...
27:29We tried impeaching.
27:30That didn't work.
27:31We tried going
27:32to the courts.
27:33That didn't work.
27:33The only way
27:34this actually works,
27:36it's happening.
27:37His popularity
27:38is at the lowest level
27:40it is,
27:41even among his core
27:42supporters,
27:42are falling off.
27:43The only way
27:44this ends
27:45is at the ballot box,
27:47like in training day,
27:49when Denzel goes
27:50to the neighborhood
27:51and they've all
27:51turned on him.
27:52And he's like,
27:53I'm King Kong up in here.
27:55And they're like,
27:55no, you're not anymore.
27:57That is the only way
27:59it actually ends.
28:00One brief additional point,
28:02which is that the left,
28:03including the hard left,
28:04has to learn
28:05how to speak about Trump
28:07without immediately
28:08equating him to Hitler.
28:09I just said that.
28:10Yes.
28:11You can be bad
28:12and not Hitler.
28:12He stole your line.
28:13You can be bad
28:14and not Hitler.
28:15You can be wrong,
28:16you can be a worrying president.
28:19At the same time,
28:21well, now I'm repeating you,
28:22the best way to do it
28:23is to argue your case.
28:25Yeah.
28:26Once you start with Hitler,
28:27it's like,
28:27any time you do,
28:28we've seen it
28:29in many places
28:30in the world
28:30where they make someone
28:31into,
28:32whether it's Rwanda
28:33or, you know,
28:34the Hutus saying
28:35the Tutsi were vermin
28:36or the Hutus.
28:37Somebody was vermin,
28:38I remember.
28:39The Tutsi was vermin.
28:40Whatever it was.
28:41And then the next,
28:42whenever you dehumanize
28:43someone to that degree,
28:44people are going to go,
28:44oh, I'm doing the,
28:45I'm a hero.
28:46This guy wasn't crazy,
28:48crazy.
28:49Like, he wasn't hearing,
28:50you know,
28:51the dog wasn't talking
28:52to him and the moon.
28:53He just was like
28:54watching, you know,
28:55the...
28:56Social media.
28:56Yeah.
28:57Yeah.
28:57The more virtuous
28:58you think you are...
28:59And media media.
29:00And media media, yes.
29:01The more virtuous
29:01you think you are,
29:02the more you have permission
29:04to behave diabolically.
29:05But can I go back
29:06to what Brett was saying
29:07is that actually
29:07universities have a duty
29:09to teach their students,
29:11the kids,
29:12about civilized,
29:13intelligent,
29:14respectful debate,
29:15about listening
29:16to all sides
29:17of an argument,
29:18about separating out
29:19an idea from a person,
29:21and actually realizing
29:22you can have a furious row
29:24and then be friends
29:25with that person afterwards.
29:26Right.
29:26And that is beautiful.
29:28Okay, so...
29:32Another aspect of this
29:33I think that is new,
29:34which is that people now,
29:36when something like this
29:37happens,
29:38way more than they ever
29:39used to before,
29:40go right to the
29:41conspiracy stage.
29:42I mean,
29:42this was always something.
29:43But I never heard the term
29:45false flag operation
29:46until I think it was
29:47the Sandy Hook shooting.
29:49Now that's immediate.
29:50We go right to that.
29:51Okay, so anthropologists
29:53have looked at this
29:54a lot over the centuries,
29:55and whenever you have
29:56people losing trust
29:57in the system
29:58and or in a state
30:00of great anxiety,
30:01you get conspiracy theories
30:02flourishing.
30:03They're not new,
30:04but right now,
30:05we have those two conditions
30:06in America,
30:07which are stoking up
30:08endless conspiracy theories,
30:10and of course,
30:11social media
30:11and the digital world
30:12amplifies that.
30:13But can I blame
30:14the universities?
30:16Okay, I'm a target.
30:19I think this has something
30:20to do with the decline
30:21in critical thinking skills.
30:25You know,
30:25I remember watching...
30:26Okay, well,
30:26I want to come back
30:27a little bit.
30:28You know,
30:28I remember watching,
30:29I think,
30:30one of the...
30:30Armstrong or Aldrin,
30:31one of the people
30:33who landed on the moon
30:33talking about,
30:34you know,
30:35the conspiracy theory
30:36about that being staged,
30:37and they made the point
30:38400,000 people
30:39would have to be in
30:41on the secret
30:41and have to have kept
30:42the secret
30:43for decades.
30:45Exactly.
30:46Exactly.
30:51No, but I mean,
30:52that is where we are.
30:54We go right to,
30:55it was staged.
30:57Everything was staged.
30:58You know,
30:58they don't believe...
30:59They thought the assassination
31:00in Butler.
31:01I remember refuting
31:02lots of people
31:03who I thought
31:04were rather intelligent people,
31:05and I'm like,
31:06how could it be staged?
31:07They shot the guy...
31:08The guy behind him
31:09got the bullet.
31:10It's like we don't have
31:11the bullet.
31:12But now we have AI,
31:13so of course people think
31:14things are staged
31:14because it's becoming
31:15harder and harder
31:16to tell what's actually
31:16man-made
31:17and what's silica made.
31:19I mean,
31:19that's a problem.
31:20Yeah, but we also have
31:21people who don't know
31:23like the concept
31:24that if you have
31:26two explanations,
31:27the simpler one
31:28is probably the right one.
31:29Occam's razor,
31:30it's a thousand years ago.
31:31I'd like to push back
31:32on what Brett said
31:32about universities.
31:33I do agree with you.
31:34Universities are critical
31:35in this point.
31:36Overseeing King's College,
31:37we are fighting
31:38to have not just
31:39critical thinking developed
31:41to have proper debate
31:43between the students,
31:44and to also have them
31:45forced to talk
31:46about their ideas
31:47at length in front
31:48of a professor.
31:49And I was actually
31:50meeting with...
31:50All universities
31:51other than Cambridge
31:52and the University
31:52of Chicago are to blame.
31:54He was in Chicago.
31:56So I'll say one other
31:57thing, which is that
31:58I was chatting to
31:59a head of American
32:00University the other day
32:00who said,
32:01well, we're having
32:02to change our mission
32:03statement, are you?
32:04I said, well, actually,
32:06King's College was founded
32:06in 1441 by King Henry VI,
32:09who had his mission
32:10statement in pursuit
32:11of education, religion,
32:14learning, and research.
32:15Now, the religion part
32:16may be a bit
32:17controversial now,
32:17but that four-part
32:19mission statement
32:20from 1441 is basically
32:22what universities
32:22should be doing.
32:23Education, learning,
32:24and research.
32:26Okay.
32:26Well, we can get back
32:28to this, but I just
32:29want to say this thing
32:30about everything is staged.
32:32There is a magazine
32:33out now because people
32:34are so under this theory
32:36all the time
32:37that something is staged,
32:38and we got a hold of it.
32:39Would you like to see
32:40some of the articles
32:41and stage, where is my,
32:43there's my copy of,
32:44Stage Magazine.
32:45Everything, look at this,
32:46everything is, for example,
32:49some of the articles
32:49this week, we spoke
32:50to the crisis actor
32:51who's been playing
32:52your neighbor since 2017.
32:54That's.
32:59Exclusive photos,
33:00Will Smith and Chris Rock
33:02rehearsing the slap.
33:08Did Neil Armstrong's
33:10wife fake it?
33:16Was Gettysburg faked?
33:1851,000 witnesses
33:19conveniently killed.
33:26Where are they now?
33:27Our interview
33:27with Jeffrey Epstein.
33:29Jeffrey Epstein.
33:35Suspicious,
33:36we asked 12 scientists
33:37why the moon
33:38is visible at 2 p.m.,
33:40and all 12 hung up on us.
33:48The demons
33:49that attacked
33:49Tucker Carlson
33:51in his sleep
33:51break their silence.
33:58Brad and Angelina
33:59together again,
34:00new clues
34:00from the back
34:01of the $1 bill.
34:08Alex Jones,
34:09get rid of your
34:09soon-to-be
34:10worthless U.S. dollars
34:11by sending them to me.
34:17And you won't believe
34:19who writes your text messages
34:20and how they convince you.
34:21It's you.
34:25Okay, so...
34:27Oh, well,
34:28thank you very much.
34:30So you two
34:32seem absolutely
34:33head up
34:34to talk about
34:34this education stuff
34:36and higher education.
34:37Let's do it.
34:38The big story
34:38this week
34:38that I saw,
34:39Yale,
34:41that's here in America.
34:42That's also
34:44pretty old.
34:44I've heard of that.
34:45Yeah.
34:46What is that?
34:46Back to the 17th century?
34:48Harvard is 1636.
34:4918th century
34:50for Yale, yeah.
34:51Oh, okay.
34:52All right.
34:52What is Chicago?
34:53Oh, like late 19th century.
34:56Anyway,
34:57they wanted to study themselves
34:59why the trust
35:00in higher education
35:01was so in the toilet,
35:03which it is.
35:03Some of the things,
35:05tuition is too high,
35:06way too much bureaucracy,
35:08unfair admission standards.
35:09Certainly Asian people
35:11have sued about that,
35:12and I think one,
35:14great inflation,
35:15but mostly
35:15it is indoctrination,
35:17what we were just talking about.
35:19At Yale,
35:20it's 36 to one
35:22the number of Democrats
35:23to Republicans
35:24who work at that school.
35:2536 to one.
35:27Even if you're a Democrat,
35:28you shouldn't think
35:29that that's a good thing.
35:30It's not.
35:31It's never.
35:32That's why this state
35:32is fucked up in some ways.
35:34It's because there's nobody
35:35checking one side,
35:36and they just do not like
35:38the idea that teachers now
35:39or the professors,
35:40whatever,
35:42see it as more a job
35:44of enforcing
35:45a political opinion
35:46than just instructing people.
35:48They see themselves
35:49as some sort of red guard,
35:50I think, a lot of them,
35:52certainly the ones
35:52you hear about,
35:53and they seem to want
35:54to just point the kids
35:57in a direction
35:57instead of just telling
35:59the kids what happened,
36:01what the facts are,
36:02and let the kids
36:03make up their own mind.
36:04Is that not accurate?
36:05Well, I haven't been at Yale,
36:07so I won't speak for Yale.
36:08I will give them
36:08some credit.
36:09Well, in general,
36:10all these elite schools.
36:11Well, yeah,
36:12I would disagree
36:13that the teachers
36:13necessarily do that.
36:14I think issues
36:15around legacy admissions,
36:16high fees,
36:17and really screwed up.
36:18You think teachers
36:19don't do that here in America?
36:20I think they do
36:21to some degree
36:21in some context.
36:22However,
36:22it's not just about that.
36:24It's also about
36:24the legacy admissions,
36:25the high fees,
36:27the completely screwed up system
36:28for handing out grades,
36:29et cetera, et cetera.
36:30It's just a bundle of things.
36:31Kudos to Yale
36:32for having looked at themselves
36:34and having issued this report,
36:35because, frankly,
36:36I can't imagine
36:37the White House
36:38doing anything like that
36:38anytime soon.
36:39Can you imagine
36:40the White House
36:41issuing a report of themselves?
36:42And, of course,
36:42they had to overreact
36:43to the situation.
36:44Like many things
36:45that the White House does,
36:46they identify something
36:47that really is a problem.
36:49Sometimes the town
36:50doesn't need cleaning up,
36:51and then they clean it up
36:51in the wrong way.
36:52They cut off medical funding.
36:54What the fuck
36:54does that have to do with this?
36:55Absolutely.
36:56Well, Brett has got
36:56a great column on this.
36:58Look, I mean,
36:59I think it's a little bit
36:59different with the White House.
37:01I mean, administrations
37:02are supposed to be partisan,
37:04but the point of a campus
37:05is to have an opportunity
37:07to engage with points of view
37:09that are radically different
37:10from your own.
37:11Like, I don't necessarily think
37:12that Yale needs
37:14an even balance
37:15of Democrats and Republicans,
37:17but the danger you have
37:18is that at elite institutions,
37:20you are getting echo chambers,
37:22and echo chambers are deadly
37:23for productive, critical thinking.
37:26And what has to happen
37:28isn't for schools like Yale
37:30to set up little conservative islands
37:32or institutes
37:33or have a token faculty member.
37:35What they need to do
37:37is to make sure
37:37that in every department,
37:39the people who are in the faculty
37:41are skeptics, contrarians,
37:43non-conformists, gadflies.
37:45That was there when I was at university
37:48over 30 years ago,
37:49again, at Chicago.
37:51It has to be there
37:52at every major American university.
37:54Otherwise, we are graduating
37:56young people
37:57who think that they are
37:58much smarter
37:59and much better critical thinkers
38:01than they are,
38:01and there's nothing worse
38:02than people who think
38:03they're smarter
38:04or brighter than they really are.
38:06Well, we kind of agree.
38:10For the benefit of any students watching,
38:14we can stage manage
38:14a kind of Socratic debate,
38:16if you want.
38:16I can disagree with you,
38:17but we kind of agree on this,
38:18unfortunately.
38:19Okay.
38:19So, I'm glad we can end that there
38:22because there's a bigger story
38:23that we have to get to,
38:24which is the Voting Rights Act,
38:25which is the big story this week
38:27because the Supreme Court ruled on...
38:29It's so funny.
38:30It was only one week ago
38:31we were talking about gerrymandering
38:33because the state of Virginia
38:34decided to,
38:35and again,
38:36Trump started this with Texas.
38:38Let's gerrymander Texas,
38:39then Virginia,
38:41then California,
38:42we responded,
38:44now we're gerrymandering California,
38:45and Virginia went all in on it.
38:48Now the Supreme Court's involved
38:50and the Voting Rights Act is involved,
38:52and now it seems like,
38:54you know,
38:54I said last week,
38:55race to the bottom.
38:56That race took one week.
38:57We're already at the absolute bottom.
38:59If you don't know
39:00what the Voting Rights Act is from 1965,
39:0320 years ago,
39:04when they voted to re-up it,
39:05it was completely uncontroversial.
39:0798 to zero in the Senate.
39:10And let's be honest,
39:11the Voting Rights Act itself
39:13is gerrymandering.
39:14We've always had gerrymandering.
39:15No computer ever drew a district.
39:18Humans always did it.
39:19And what they were doing
39:20with the Voting Rights Act
39:21was saying,
39:22we're going to draw some districts
39:23where black folks can't lose,
39:26as it should be,
39:27because otherwise,
39:28you could draw the map
39:29in such a way
39:30which is what they're doing now.
39:32Louisiana is a third black.
39:33You could draw it
39:34so that all those people,
39:35oh, we're not stopping anyone
39:36from voting.
39:37They're voting.
39:38They just won't get
39:39a representative in Congress
39:40because we're going to draw
39:41the map in such a way
39:42that everywhere they vote,
39:43they only get 40% of the vote.
39:45Assuming that they vote
39:46for the Democratic Party,
39:47but that's a fair assumption.
39:49If you're simultaneously saying,
39:51this is so critical,
39:51if you're simultaneously saying
39:53the way to deal
39:54with a president you don't like
39:55is go to the polling booth,
39:57not with a gun,
39:58then you have to fight
39:59with every section in your body
40:01to ensure that the voting system
40:03is credible and trusted.
40:06And right now...
40:08APPLAUSE
40:11You don't know why Gen Z
40:13is going to violence.
40:14It's because people don't trust
40:15the voting system.
40:16And that's tragic.
40:17I mean, I think there are
40:18two issues at stake.
40:19One is the question
40:20of the gerrymander,
40:22and I think the biggest mistake
40:23was made,
40:24not last week,
40:25but it was made
40:26seven years ago
40:27with a Supreme Court case
40:29called Russo v. Common Cause,
40:31which basically said
40:32that courts could not intervene
40:33to prevent
40:36outrageously gerrymandered districts.
40:37And gerrymandering basically means
40:39that the politician
40:40gets to choose his voters
40:41rather than the voter
40:42getting to choose
40:43their politicians.
40:44What we're talking about here
40:46is a question
40:46of racial gerrymandering.
40:47In 1965,
40:49racial gerrymandering
40:50for the sake of ensuring
40:51black representation
40:53in southern states.
40:54And in 1965,
40:56that was without question
40:58the right thing to do.
40:59It was without question
41:00the right thing to do
41:01in 1985
41:02and perhaps in 2005.
41:04But that had to end
41:06at some point.
41:07And one of the points
41:07that you often make
41:08on this show, Bill,
41:09is that there has been
41:10a lot of racial progress
41:12in this country.
41:14And so at some point,
41:15that principle
41:16that we were going to have
41:18to create
41:19special districts
41:20for the sake of ensuring
41:23minority representation,
41:24at some point,
41:25that was going to have to end.
41:27I think the question was,
41:28is 2026 the year
41:29in which to end it?
41:30And maybe the answer is,
41:32after we've had
41:33a black president,
41:34after blacks have been so,
41:36have had so much success
41:39and achievement
41:39in American life
41:40on their own merit,
41:42isn't it time
41:42to finally end this?
41:44And in that sense,
41:44I think the court
41:45made the right call.
41:46Oh, you do?
41:47You think they made
41:48the right call?
41:49In this case, yes.
41:50I think it's going to,
41:51I think this is,
41:51they're going to look back
41:52and think this is like,
41:53I mean, we've heard
41:54a lot of talk about
41:55a civil war.
41:56This is like a step
41:57toward that
41:58because I saw the map,
42:00the picture of the map
42:01of what it's going
42:02to look like.
42:03There's going to be
42:04no black congresspeople
42:06from the South.
42:07You think you can,
42:08you can cut off
42:09the part of the country
42:10that has the most
42:12African Americans in it,
42:13and that map
42:14is like completely red.
42:16Maybe there's a few,
42:17maybe just the central Atlanta
42:18or someplace like that
42:20where it's going to,
42:21and you think people
42:22are just going to take
42:23that line down.
42:24If that's the result,
42:24I will absolutely eat crow.
42:27That's wrong, okay?
42:28What I think you're going to have,
42:29what you think you're
42:30actually going to have
42:31is you're going to have
42:32black representation,
42:33but a lot more of it
42:34is going to be Republican.
42:35But Britt,
42:35we're facing a situation
42:36right now where public trust
42:38in democracy,
42:38in Congress,
42:39in voting is collapsing.
42:41Why would you do it now?
42:43How is this going to rebuild trust
42:45in any way, shape, or form
42:46in the system?
42:47Well, I mean,
42:47public trust is collapsing
42:48on both sides.
42:50So why make it worse?
42:51And I don't,
42:52well, I don't think
42:52it's making it worse
42:53because I think that
42:54the basis of our system
42:55is not to have
42:56racial gerrymanders
42:58of any form
42:58for whites or blacks
43:00to have an actual principle
43:03of racial and color neutrality.
43:06I think that's
43:06the American standard.
43:08Now, in 1965,
43:09it was a very,
43:11very different period.
43:11We were just emerging
43:12from Jim Crow
43:14and decades of segregation.
43:17I don't think
43:17we're in 1965.
43:19We're definitely not.
43:19We're definitely not,
43:20but we're not living
43:21in the future either.
43:22Yeah, and basically
43:23what's happening is...
43:26We are in the future.
43:29You're having
43:29every single political tribe,
43:31each political tribe now,
43:32racing to become
43:33more tribal, not less.
43:34You're talking
43:35in the one hand
43:35about combating echo chambers.
43:37You're creating echo chambers
43:38all over the place
43:39by doubling down
43:40on the concentration
43:42in terms of political sorting.
43:43So what do you think
43:44the Democrats should do
43:45about it?
43:45Anything?
43:46I think given that
43:47they're now faced
43:48with a situation
43:48where the Republicans
43:49have gone ahead already,
43:50they have to respond.
43:51Otherwise, it's going to be
43:52a case of, you know,
43:52being sitting ducks.
43:53And the problem
43:54with Democrats so often
43:55is that they end up
43:56looking like the Boy Scouts
43:57against the Mafia.
43:59You know?
43:59I mean, what I...
44:00You're talking about
44:01two different things.
44:02I actually agree with you
44:03that once...
44:03Actually.
44:07Agreement actually
44:08to quote a movie.
44:12There's one issue
44:13which is the Supreme Court's decision
44:14which has to do
44:15with the Voting Rights Act
44:17of 1965 racial gerrymanders.
44:19The second question is
44:20did Democrats have to respond
44:22with their gerrymanders
44:23once Texas
44:24and other Republican states did?
44:26And I think in that case
44:27the answer is sadly yes.
44:30It's a race to the bottom
44:31but Democrats couldn't sort of announce
44:35unilateral disarmament
44:36for the sake of a principle
44:37which was going to leave them...
44:38which was going to leave them
44:39objectively weaker in Congress.
44:41Well, I mean,
44:42I do foresee a situation
44:43where, I mean, if...
44:46Okay.
44:48That's a part of the greed
44:49that you're actually over there.
44:50Yeah.
44:51On the right, obviously.
44:53I mean, when you combine this
44:55with the attempts to, you know,
44:59stop voter fraud
45:01which, you know,
45:02they've studied many times
45:03and in-person voter fraud
45:04almost never happens.
45:06It doesn't really affect any elections
45:08but they're trying to do that.
45:10And, yes, I mean,
45:11there are lax voting situations
45:13in some places
45:14where you really don't have to show
45:15a lot of ID to vote
45:17but it doesn't seem to really affect the outcome.
45:19But that is what the Republic of Detroit...
45:21When you combine that
45:22with some of the states here
45:23are going to rush to do this
45:25before the election...
45:26I mean, this midterm election
45:27was an election which
45:29the Democrats,
45:30because of Trump's unpopularity
45:32because of the war
45:33and the inflation
45:33and the rest of it,
45:34ICE, DOGE,
45:35things that even his people didn't like,
45:38Democrats were going to walk away
45:40with this one.
45:41That may not happen now.
45:42And people know that.
45:44You think the violence is bad now?
45:46Wait till people know
45:47that the election
45:48that was absolutely supposed
45:49to be in the bag
45:50is not in the bag
45:51because they changed the rules
45:53and they fucked with the game.
45:54I agree.
46:01And people keep saying,
46:02you know,
46:03the danger of civil war
46:03and that kind of stuff.
46:04We don't have a civil war,
46:05thank God,
46:06on the streets.
46:07There is civil war
46:08in cyberspace already.
46:09Or effectively,
46:10civil war in cyberspace.
46:12It's a cold civil war.
46:13Yeah, exactly.
46:14It's a cold civil war.
46:15Yeah.
46:15Well, we hope
46:16we don't turn hot.
46:18Absolutely.
46:18All right.
46:19Thank you very much.
46:20Time for New Rules, everybody.
46:22New Rules.
46:27All right.
46:29New Rule,
46:30let's not ignore
46:30the one obvious upside
46:32to the shooting
46:32at the correspondents' dinner.
46:34Stephen Miller
46:35getting to know
46:35what it feels like
46:36to be whisked away
46:37by federal agents.
46:44New Rule,
46:45the Australian woman
46:46who was on a family road trip,
46:48stopped to use an outhouse,
46:50fell in,
46:51and got trapped
46:52waist-deep in shit
46:53for three hours,
46:55has to look on the bright side.
46:58You could have been
46:59back in the car
46:59with the kids.
47:09New Rule,
47:09not that we should
47:10condemn any college
47:12for what one of its graduates does,
47:14but since Cole Thomas Allen
47:15went to Caltech,
47:17yeah, fuck it.
47:18Caltech must be dropped
47:20in the college rankings.
47:22You gave this guy
47:23a degree
47:23in mechanical engineering,
47:25and the best idea
47:26he could come up with
47:27to get past security
47:29was run fast.
47:38He's less Carlos the Jackal
47:40and more Forrest the Gump.
47:48New Rule,
47:49now that all these ships
47:50are stuck off
47:51the coast of Iran,
47:52someone must make
47:53a hookup app
47:54called Hormuz.
48:03Because for those sailors
48:04stuck at sea,
48:05shipping isn't the only thing
48:06that's backed up.
48:13Uh, New Rule,
48:14everyone has to stop saying,
48:16you know,
48:16pot is a lot stronger
48:17than it used to be,
48:18like it's a bad thing.
48:25I mean,
48:27what other product
48:28do people complain about
48:29when it gets better?
48:32And you know why
48:33it was weaker
48:34when we were young?
48:35I do,
48:36because I was a pot dealer.
48:43Yeah.
48:44It's because there was
48:45no hydroponics then,
48:47no indoor grow rooms,
48:49no CO2 enrichment,
48:50genetic breeding,
48:51or precision irrigation systems.
48:53And also,
48:54I put oregano in it.
49:05And finally,
49:06new rule,
49:06stop making me know stuff
49:08I don't want to know.
49:11Did you know
49:11that the human brain
49:12actually has
49:13an actual finite
49:14storage capacity?
49:16It's estimated to be
49:17about 2.5 million gigabytes.
49:19Impressive,
49:20but not infinite.
49:22That's why sometimes
49:23you just got to say,
49:24disc full.
49:33stop shoving things
49:35down my brain.
49:36A couple of weeks ago
49:38on our overtime segment,
49:39one of my guests
49:40used the term
49:41the Overton window,
49:43which up until a year ago,
49:45I had heard only once
49:46every never.
49:48But lately,
49:49I hear it everywhere.
49:51The Overton window.
49:52The Overton window.
49:53The Overton window.
49:54The Overton window.
49:55Overton window.
49:56The Overton window.
49:57The Overton window.
49:57The Overton window.
49:59The Overton window.
50:00The Overton window.
50:05Sorry,
50:05but I just
50:06couldn't hold
50:07my tongue
50:08anymore.
50:09Well,
50:10the Overton window
50:10has opened up,
50:12you know,
50:13about...
50:13I don't know
50:14what that is,
50:14and I don't want
50:15to know what that is.
50:17Don't tell me.
50:20Yeah.
50:23Yeah.
50:23I wasn't kidding.
50:25This isn't a bit.
50:25I really don't know
50:27what the Overton window is,
50:28and I really don't
50:30want to know.
50:31So don't tell me.
50:38It may be the only thing
50:40that's still on my bucket list.
50:41I want to die
50:42not knowing
50:43what the Overton window is.
50:48Now,
50:50maybe it's awesome,
50:51but it just seems like
50:52the kind of pedantic
50:53bullshit that triggers me.
50:54So if you try to...
50:55So if you try to tell me
50:57on the street,
50:57I'll keep walking.
51:00Try to tell me
51:01on a plane,
51:01I'll jump out
51:02a real window.
51:04If you start
51:05to explain it to me,
51:06I'll stop you.
51:07If you write it,
51:07I won't read it.
51:13I didn't order it.
51:17And I don't think
51:19I need it
51:20because I'm a strong believer
51:21in the academic theory
51:23of...
51:24I kind of get it.
51:33Yeah.
51:34I kind of get it.
51:37the Overton window.
51:39It's something bad
51:40we don't want
51:40to pass through
51:41and Trump...
51:42Trump is just
51:43making it worse
51:44and I'm sure he is,
51:45but that's enough for me.
51:46I don't need to chase
51:47every one of your
51:48manufactured buzzwords
51:49down the rabbit hole.
51:52A couple of...
51:59A couple of years ago,
52:01Joe Rogan
52:02and his guest,
52:03some guy...
52:08took me to task
52:10for not knowing
52:10what WEF
52:12or MKUltra was.
52:14He doesn't even know
52:15what the WEF is all.
52:17He didn't even know
52:18what MKUltra was.
52:21Okay.
52:22All right.
52:22Guys,
52:23WEF is World Economic Forum
52:25where the billionaires
52:25meet every year in Davos.
52:27Yes, I do know that.
52:28I just don't call it
52:29the WEF.
52:31If I hear Joe Rogan
52:32say WEF,
52:33I just assume
52:34it's some form
52:35of professional
52:36wrestling organization.
52:45And MKUltra,
52:46okay,
52:46the old CIA program
52:48where they experimented
52:49with LSD.
52:50Yes, I've read about it.
52:50I just don't use
52:51the decoder ring.
52:53No.
52:56No.
52:56No.
52:57No.
52:58No.
52:59No.
53:00Last week
53:00when the news
53:01was all about
53:02the Supreme Court,
53:03suddenly everywhere,
53:04everywhere I looked
53:05or read,
53:06someone was talking
53:07about the shadow docket.
53:09Shadow docket.
53:11The shadow docket.
53:11Shadow docket.
53:13The shadow docket.
53:14The shadow docket.
53:15Shadow docket.
53:21Yeah,
53:22the shadow docket.
53:23I kind of get it.
53:25Some kind of fuckery
53:26Trump's trying to pull
53:27and I'm sure he is.
53:29But the court
53:30is kind of stopping him.
53:32A little bit.
53:33Okay.
53:35Here's another one
53:36I can't get away from.
53:37Looks maxing.
53:40I kind of get it.
53:41Some new fucked up shit
53:43the kids are doing,
53:44but come on,
53:46it'll go away soon
53:47when they die.
53:48I don't...
53:54I don't feel like
53:55I need to know everything.
53:56I'm sure if I was
53:57a better citizen,
53:58I would research
53:59all these things.
54:00MKUltra
54:01and cognitive offloading
54:02and astroturfing
54:04and shitification
54:05and the shelling point.
54:07And I will,
54:07I promise,
54:08I'll bone up
54:09on all of them.
54:10But not the fucking
54:12Overton window.
54:23A man has to make
54:25a stand somewhere.
54:26I know enough.
54:27I know it's something
54:28liberal pundits care
54:29very deeply about,
54:30as do I,
54:31as do I,
54:32absolutely very deeply,
54:33whatever it is.
54:35Because I am with you
54:36on this because I get it.
54:37I mean, I kind of get it.
54:40I know it's got to stop
54:41or start.
54:42Whatever it is,
54:43you cannot make me
54:44learn the actual meaning.
54:45I will not learn it
54:46on the panel.
54:47I will not learn it
54:48wearing flannel.
54:51I will not learn it
54:52in a tree.
54:53I will not learn it
54:54from ChatGPT.
54:56I will not learn it
54:57on a yacht.
54:57I will not learn it
54:58smoking pot.
54:59I will not learn it
55:00from a cow.
55:01I will not learn it
55:02on MS Now.
55:03I will not learn it
55:04from social media.
55:05I will not learn it
55:06from Wikipedia.
55:07I will not learn it
55:08from a nerd.
55:10I will not learn
55:11your new dumb word.
55:23Look, I wish I had unlimited storage, but I don't.
55:27I also will not learn the word heuristic.
55:32I hear it a lot lately.
55:33Heuristic sounds important.
55:35Fuck you.
55:42All I know is whoever uses it is going to lose the election.
55:48Platform decay, if it involves my dentist, yes, I'll learn it.
55:51Otherwise, no.
55:53Groyper, I think I get it.
55:55A neo-Nazi with bad skin?
55:58If it's not exactly that, it's very close.
56:00I'm just tired of my mind being cluttered with things I didn't ask for.
56:05This is what I call mind rape.
56:11Things forced into my head without my consent.
56:14I know all five Kardashian sisters' names.
56:19And I know the names of all six of the characters on Friends, and yet I've never seen one minute
56:25of either show.
56:27I did not consent to that.
56:31I even know that Ross was a paleontologist.
56:36And the fact that I know that, I consider that violence.
56:45I know things about the Kardashian sisters I shouldn't, like the names of all their kids and which NBA team
56:53their fathers played for.
56:57I know Kim had several children with a Nazi.
57:01I know her ex-boyfriend has a big penis.
57:06People used to read books.
57:08Now they watch a YouTube of a raccoon opening a can of soda.
57:11What did we think was going to happen?
57:20Among the words that should never have been allowed to get inside my brain are Scott and Dizik.
57:31I don't want to know who Bill Belichick's girlfriend is.
57:34I really don't.
57:35I hope I never get Alzheimer's, but if I do, at least I'll forget who Justin Baldoni ever was.
57:42All right.
57:42Thank you very much.
57:43I want to thank Brett Stevens, Dillian Tett, and Governor Gavin Newsom.
57:47From Random Drops every Monday on YouTube or listen on wherever you get your podcasts.
57:52Now go watch Overtime on YouTube.
57:54Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
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