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German Development Minister Reem Alabali Radovan says Berlin plans to strengthen its support for health systems. It can't fully plug the gap the US withdrawal from the WHO has left in African countries, but it can boost its economic cooperation, she told DW at the World Health Summit in Kenya.

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00:01What brought you to Nairobi and what are you expecting for your visit here?
00:05Kenya is an important partner country for development cooperation.
00:10We have a long-standing relationship which we want to strengthen,
00:15especially the economic cooperation.
00:18Kenya is the biggest economy in East Africa
00:22and we see a lot of potential when it comes to German investment,
00:27especially when it comes to healthcare
00:29and also Kenya is a strategic partner for us when it comes to multilateralism.
00:36So there is a lot of common interest and this is why it was important to me,
00:41even though we are in a difficult time also in the region,
00:45to come here and strengthen our relationship.
00:48You've already said that there are many crises around the world,
00:51not just in the region, but in Iran, Ukraine, Gaza.
00:55So how important is Germany's relationship to Africa at the moment?
01:01Of course, we are also as German government dealing with the crises going on right now
01:07and as a development minister, for me it's important to show our partners in the regions
01:14that we are a reliable partner and that even though we are facing all these crises,
01:20we put a lot of focus also on our partnerships, especially when it comes to African countries.
01:27We are also, of course, looking at the implications of, for example, the war in Iran,
01:33the blockade of the street on Hormuz for the region, which there is a huge implication.
01:39And this is why I'm also here to talk about that.
01:42You came here partly to meet leaders, to meet health experts as well.
01:47Now the global health landscape is changing a lot because the US pulled out of WHO,
01:52they've also cut a lot of aid.
01:55Germany has also cut aid, but are you hoping to fill part of that gap
01:59and are you taking a stronger role in international institutions?
02:01The cuts from the US government, especially in the global health sector, are very painful.
02:09And we can see them looking at multilateral funds like Gavi and the instrument for vaccines
02:19and the Global Fund, which is combating malaria and HIV and tuberculosis.
02:25And we cannot fill the gap alone.
02:29But at the same time, I said we did a reform.
02:33I did a strategic reform on German development cooperation.
02:37And looking at what the United States are doing, I said we will put a big focus on global health.
02:45Even though we cannot fill in the gap, we will not pull out of global health.
02:51And this is why I'm also here, the World Health Summit, the regional conference of the World Health Summit is
02:58in Nairobi.
02:59And I think we want to strengthen also the German-African partnership when it comes to economy in the health
03:09sector.
03:10And we are seeing, especially in Kenya, we are already seeing very good steps of German pharma companies like Merck,
03:19for example,
03:20who are working here together in producing vaccines or producing medicines with Kenyan companies,
03:27universal for combating special diseases.
03:32So we are seeing important steps taking place and we want to strengthen that in the future.
03:38And talking specifically about Kenya, you've already met President Ruto.
03:42What do you hope for the general relationship between Kenya and Germany in terms of development?
03:48And you also spoke about the focus on economic cooperation.
03:52So maybe you can talk about that.
03:54As I said, Kenya is the biggest economy in East Africa.
03:58And we are also shifting our partnership more to economic cooperation, which is based on win-win, which is based
04:08on common interest.
04:09I spoke to President Ruto about that.
04:12We want to see where we have common interests in German companies coming here and providing also good jobs.
04:20This is very important to us.
04:23So it's not only about economic cooperation in general, but it's about also creating good, decent jobs,
04:30about providing vocational training, which is going very well in Kenya.
04:35And there is some hurdles.
04:37We want to tackle them, especially when it comes to reaching rural areas of Kenya.
04:43And we want to work together on that.
04:45We will have a German-Kenyan business dialogue in June in Berlin.
04:50And I'm looking forward to strengthening that relationship.
04:53We have 120 German companies in Kenya, and I think it can be way more.
04:58Part of the critique of development aid or development cooperation has always been that it is ineffective,
05:06that the countries are basically standing still, stagnating.
05:09Do you think this new strategy of more economic cooperation will help address this?
05:14First of all, let me say that, especially in Kenya, we can see that development cooperation works, and it worked.
05:21We see an increase in life expectancy.
05:26We see a decrease of child death at birth.
05:30We see a high literacy.
05:31It is at 80%.
05:3393% of energy in Kenya is from renewables.
05:39We invested in that, especially as German development cooperation, as a ministry.
05:44So we are seeing very, very good outcomes.
05:47Of course, there is way more to tackle.
05:49And I think now, as Kenya is becoming also a middle-income country, and it's becoming more of that in
05:58the future,
05:59we need to shift more towards economic cooperation.
06:03But, of course, we're still working on development, especially when it comes to the youth,
06:09when it comes to energy, climate, issues of health.
06:13We are still invested there.
06:15We are still a reliable partner.
06:16But we're looking more for an approach which sees common interest and win-win for both sides.
06:23Looking at Kenya in particular, and looking at the growth you've just mentioned,
06:28or the steps that have been taken that you've just mentioned,
06:31do you have examples of, or do you have an example of a project of work that has worked over
06:39the past few years?
06:40I will look at examples today in Nairobi, especially when it comes to vocational training.
06:48So we have schools, they provide vocational training for young Kenyans who can learn and work here in Kenya.
06:58They can get good qualifications for work in Kenya, but they can also learn German.
07:06And with their qualifications, they could potentially come to Germany.
07:10So I think especially in that field of migration, when it comes to young Kenyans who want to come and
07:18work in Germany,
07:19we are seeing good approaches there, and we also want to strengthen that in the future.
07:24So let's take a look at it, it's for sure.
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