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00:00She tried to run somebody over with her car, and the guy defended himself when that happened.
00:04Next question.
00:05The Orwellian aftermath of a deadly ICE shooting.
00:10The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
00:13It was their final, most important directive.
00:17Tonight, the Trump administration's attempt to control the narrative and the investigation in Minnesota.
00:22Then, Senator Richard Blumenthal on the push to reform DHS and ICE.
00:26Senator Adam Schiff on the Senate vote to check Trump's war powers in Venezuela.
00:31And Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries on today's breakthrough vote to restore the health care subsidies that Donald Trump cut.
00:38An All In starts right now.
00:45Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes.
00:48Renee Good was not a domestic terrorist.
00:50In fact, no one acting in good faith actually believes that.
00:53No matter what some of our Trump officials say at press conferences.
00:58And while there may be an argument to be had about her vehicle moving in the general direction of the
01:01officer who shot and killed her and what that officer felt in that moment.
01:05An officer identified today as Jonathan Ross.
01:07What no one can say in any kind of good faith is to make the argument that killing her was
01:15necessary or that this 37-year-old mother of three who had just dropped her child off at school driving
01:21her Honda Pilot with a glove compartment full of stuffed animals was deliberately trying to run over anyone.
01:29The people desperately trying to get you to believe that are lying.
01:32They know it's wrong, too.
01:34They're trying to gaslight the American public into not believing their own eyes in a desperate attempt to run cover
01:39for the terrible decisions they made to make this tragic incident possible.
01:44They're the people that ordered all this.
01:46People like this man currently serving as vice president.
01:51This was an attack on federal law enforcement.
01:54This was an attack on law and order.
01:56This was an attack on the American people.
01:58Many people in this room have been lying about this attack.
02:01She was trying to ram this guy with his with her car.
02:06He shot back.
02:07He defended himself.
02:09What I am certain of is that she violated the law.
02:11What I am certain of is that that officer had every reason to think that he was under very serious
02:16threat for injury or in fact his life.
02:19What I am certain of is that she accelerated in a way where she ran into the guy.
02:25Tonight, an editorial in the National Catholic Reporter newspaper wrote the quote,
02:28the vice president's comments justifying the death of Renee Good are a moral stain on the collective witness of our
02:34Catholic faith.
02:35A moral stain.
02:37Because, of course, we know all that's a lie.
02:40We have multiple videos of the agent shooting Renee Good.
02:43You can see for yourself that the allegation she was attempting some sort of ramming attack against an officer is
02:49just obviously and plainly untrue.
02:52And J.D. Vance knows it, of course.
02:54Here's one video moments before the shooting where you can see the agent, Jonathan Ross, circle around the car to
03:02position himself next to Good.
03:04Good. Just seconds after that is when the other man approached the car trying to get her to leave.
03:10And you can see Good backing up the vehicle.
03:13And crucially, right before she is shot, you can see her wheels are turned to the right.
03:21The officer who shoots her is to the left, which means, as we all know, as we can all see
03:27as we look at it,
03:28she was neither ramming the officer with her car or trying to ram the officer with her car,
03:34and she certainly did not run the officer over.
03:37Those are all lies, obviously.
03:41And it is this moment, with the wheels turned to the right to get away to avoid the officer,
03:47with the officer to her left out of the way of the car,
03:50It is at this moment, the first shot is fired from this angle, inches away from the woman's face.
03:59And at that moment, you can see, plain as day on your television screen right here,
04:03that Ross is not in the car's path.
04:08Moments later, he is now perpendicular to the car.
04:11Do you see him in profile there?
04:13Do you see his arms extended?
04:15Do you see the profile of his face?
04:17Is that a man who's in front of the car?
04:20And again, this was a frenetic situation.
04:24I do not know what was going through Mr. Ross's mind at the time.
04:28Even if he did perceive himself to be danger at first, and all this is happening quickly,
04:32and we're looking at frame by frame.
04:34Even if he believed himself to be in danger at first, in that moment there,
04:39his arms extended into the window of the mother of three, who's 37 years old.
04:45That is clearly no longer the case.
04:47Now that he is next to her vehicle, when he is firing two more shots through the open window,
04:53directly into Renee Gold's face.
04:58And it is difficult to believe the administration's argument that these final two shots were in
05:03self-defense, the ones you see there captured on your screen, when you see the armed man
05:08shooting in profile into the window from that position.
05:14Quite a few moments after he shoots Renee Good, ultimately killing her,
05:19we see the officer in question, Mr. Ross, follow after her vehicle,
05:23which has now crashed into another car in a utility pole.
05:26The agent walks over to her, seemingly unimpeded, which sure as heck contradicts the claim by
05:32the president of the United States that Good ran over Ross with her car, and that, and I quote him
05:37here, it is hard to believe he is still alive. Is that true? Is it hard to believe he's still
05:42alive?
05:43After he reached his arms into the car and fired off two shots at the woman's face?
05:50The investigation of this incident has been taken over by the Trump Department of Justice.
05:55State officials are exploring options to continue their own investigation independently from the
05:59FBI, but they have been forced out. State officials had not ruled out charging the agent with a crime,
06:04and again, I don't want to prejudge this. As I said before, it's a frenetic, kinetic situation,
06:10but he has not been charged. We don't know where he is. The Trump DOJ appears obviously
06:16unlikely to do so. Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz quoted George Orwell's 1984 when lambasting
06:23the Trump administration for trying to convince the American public not to believe what we can
06:28all clearly see on the tape. People in positions of power have already passed judgment from the
06:38president to the vice president to Kristi Noem have stood and told you things that are verified
06:45verifiably false, verifiably inaccurate. They have determined the character of a 37-year-old
06:53mom that they didn't even know don't know. The party told you to reject the evidence of your
06:58eyes and ears. It was their final, most important directive. It certainly feels like that in this moment.
07:07Renegade was an American citizen, one who did not know what jurisdiction these immigration agents who
07:14were aggressively approaching her car had over her. She didn't even know if these arm-masked agents were
07:19who they purported to be as they tried to force her out of her own vehicle. They told her to
07:23move her
07:24car at first, and when she tried to move the car, she was killed at point-blank range.
07:30It was a shocking act of violence. Your right to be shocked by it. And you can hear the panic
07:37and the shock and the trauma and the voices of bystanders when one witness identifying himself
07:43as a physician is blocked by armed men for simply going to check Rene Good's pulse.
07:51Can I go check a poll? No. Back up. Now. I'm a physician. I don't care. Hey, listen. You
07:57understand. We got EMS coming. I get it. Just give us a second. We have medics on scene. We have
08:04our own medics. Where are they? In point of fact, as far as the reporting and eyewitness accounts
08:10are concerned, they weren't on the scene. It took 10 to 15 minutes to get them there.
08:15One of the men who heard the shooting, a guy who self-described conservative, acknowledged that
08:19what he saw from Trump's agents was not appropriate behavior. Around 8.30 this morning,
08:27I was just getting up and I heard a bunch of commotion and whistling outside. And then I heard
08:33bang, bang, bang, three shots. I'm pretty right-leaning, but seeing this, this is not what you need
08:40to do. This is not how to do it. It's not how we're supposed to do things around here in
08:44America.
08:46Immediately after the shooting, people were already in the streets.
08:48They were protesting their occupation by Trump's agents. And keep in mind the context here for
08:56what you saw last night, what we're seeing tonight, they were quite literally putting
08:59their lives on the line. They had just watched a nonviolent protester be killed, and yet people
09:06came out. We saw thousands and thousands of people in the streets last night. There were
09:11more today all across the country, not just in Minneapolis. Americans refusing to back down
09:16or to give up peaceful resistance in the face of intimidation and deadly force.
09:23And tonight we're following another story. This one out of Portland, Oregon. The details right now
09:27are maddeningly scarce. But what we seem to know is that the local police confirmed that two people
09:34this afternoon were shot by federal agents in that city. DHS says this was a targeted vehicle stopped by
09:41agents from Customs and Border Protection. They have also claimed the driver was believed to be a member
09:46of the Venezuelan gang. The driver and the passenger were taken to the hospital, but their current
09:51condition is currently unknown. And we're going to keep looking at that for you tonight.
09:55Minnesota Representative Aisha Gomez represents District 62A, where that shooting took place yesterday.
10:01Michelle Norris is a Minnesota native, senior contributing editor for MSNOW.
10:04And they joined me now. State Representative Gomez, let me just start with you about
10:10what things are like in the place that you represent today, a day after the shooting.
10:17Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for talking about Renee tonight and highlighting,
10:24you know, the continuing injustice that this administration is visiting on our community. And
10:31I'm especially just thinking about Renee's family, as I heard the vice president tell lies about her.
10:40You know, this is an absolutely heartbreaking situation. This is so tragic. And it comes
10:47after five weeks of occupation by unaccountable secret police is the only way that I can think about
10:54them. They're there. You know, their faces are covered. There's no way to identify them.
10:59They are incredibly poorly trained. I've interacted with them many times at this point because they've
11:05been all over my district for five weeks. I mean, these are not professionally trained law
11:10enforcement officers. And you can see that in the callousness with which they murdered one of our
11:20residents, one of our neighbors. So, you know, there is so much heartbreak and pain in our community
11:27right now, of course. But there is also, as you mentioned, you know, when I arrived on the scene,
11:37Bovino was there, a little man with his big, strong guys around him. And what he did after leaving the
11:45scene of his people murdering an innocent woman is that he went to a local high school and deployed
11:54chemical munitions at dismissal time at a local high school. Our schools have now been canceled
12:01yesterday or today and tomorrow because of this action. So that's what he went and did. But what
12:07did my neighbors do? What did my constituents do? You talked about it. We continued to go out and to
12:13protect our community because that is what is what we are called to do in this time. We have an
12:21out of
12:21control authoritarian administration on the march. They don't care about the rule of law. They do not
12:28care about the truth and they do not care about human life. And so, you know, we are mourning. We
12:36are
12:37heartbroken, but we are not deterred by this, by the lawlessness and the recklessness of this
12:44administration. We know that those of us who believe in justice have to stand up in times like
12:50this. It is what we're called to do. Michelle, you've been in Minnesota. I know you're there from
12:56you're from there. You've been talking to people today. What have you heard from people as they
13:02try to get their heads around what happened yesterday and what their own government has been
13:06saying about the woman that that our government killed? You know, I want to give you a little
13:12bit of context about where I am. I'm at 34th and Portland, which is just around the corner
13:17from where Miss Good was killed, from where she lost her life. And behind me, you can see all the
13:22wood pallets. The community built a barricade there to create a safe space, a sanctuary is what
13:30they're calling it, for people to come if they want to process their feelings. And it's raining here
13:35right now. It's raining quite hard. And it's turning to ice. So it's treacherous out here.
13:39But people are still coming out here. There was a protest a few blocks away at Lake and Chicago,
13:44and people are showing up. People are angry. They're hurt. And you talked about the final
13:53directive. They feel like this is a directive for them, many of them, to get back out on the streets,
13:58to push back against this, to demand questions. This is a tragedy that is wrapped up in an irony
14:05that is bundled up in all kinds of atrocities. The tragedy, of course, is that Renee Good lost her
14:10life. The irony is that it happened just a few blocks away from where George Floyd was killed.
14:14In both of these cases, videos that made all the difference. So you can see what actually happened,
14:19because you remember when George Floyd was killed, they first described that as a medical incident.
14:25And later, when we saw the video, you saw what actually happened. And the atrocity,
14:29the bundle of atrocities, is that she lost her life, is that a doctor tried to get to her,
14:34and they wouldn't allow him. That when the ambulances came, they couldn't even get to the
14:38body. They had to park a block away. And they carried her away by her limbs, because they weren't
14:44allowed to get close to her, because the ice trucks would not move. I spoke to a pastor who was
14:51part of
14:51the group that put together a large press conference today, where hundreds of clerics
14:56from all over the city came and had a press conference just behind me. And many people,
15:01he thought he could never get involved in something like this. They came in from the suburbs. They came
15:06in from rural Minnesota. They drove great distances because they wanted to be a part of this.
15:10Many of them who don't normally get involved in politics, many of them who represent very
15:15conservative constituencies who look at what's happening here and see this as a moment, as a
15:21line in the sand, which is not just about what happened here at 34th and Portland, but what kind
15:25of country they want to live in, what kind of state they're going to live in, and what they are
15:29willing
15:29to accept. And it is ironic that this happened on January 7th, because January 6th is a date that we
15:35all remember, J6. We will now remember January 7th as well as something that is a very important date
15:41in determining what kind of America the people in Minnesota and beyond are willing to accept.
15:47Representative Gomez, I want to ask you about the whistle that you have on your neck
15:53and why you're wearing it and what its significance is, because I've watched at this point probably
16:01hundreds of hours of video of folks around ICE, and I've heard those whistles in Los Angeles,
16:07in Chicago, in Portland, in Minneapolis, in Memphis, and beyond. What is the significance of that
16:13whistle? A whistle is a way for us to communicate to our neighbors that ICE agents are in the area,
16:23and that there are potentially people here to abduct them. And, you know, these agents of Trump's
16:32agents try to operate in secrecy. They cannot stand the light of day. And so when you bring attention
16:41to them, when you make noise around them, they tend to scatter. And so this is one of the tools
16:46that we
16:46use, just a simple tool, a simple whistle, to try to keep our communities safe. And, you know, we know
16:54that we have to protect one another. And, you know, as I said, our community has been organizing for
17:02months, preparing for this. And we, in the last five weeks, have come together over and over and over
17:08again. And that's what Renee was doing when she was murdered. We've come together to chase these people
17:17out of our communities, to tell them that they are not welcome in Minneapolis and in Minnesota,
17:23and that we take care of ourselves. We take care of each other in our communities. That's who we are.
17:30You know, and that's like, that's the ethic that we bring to our work and the ethic that we bring
17:34every day to one another. And so I'm happy to wear a whistle. I wear it everywhere. Everybody should
17:40have a whistle. Because, you know, the thing is that if these thugs have not come to your town,
17:45you might be next on their list. And what, you know, what happened to Renee, we all, you just,
17:53you just dissected the video for us. She didn't do anything that anybody wouldn't have done in her
18:01situation. She didn't do anything, obviously, that justified what happened to her. But, you know,
18:09this could, Renee could be any of us. And this could, this happened today in Portland,
18:13where people were shot. This could happen in any community. And so we need to organize.
18:20Minnesota Representative Aisha Gomez and Michelle Norris, who has been doing great work for us
18:23there on the ground. Thank you both. Really appreciate it.
18:28We're going to talk to Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries, who will join me next.
18:35We're, of course, keeping an eye on developments in Minneapolis and in Portland, Oregon tonight.
18:40We also have news coming out of Washington, D.C., where a few hours ago, Congress voted improbably,
18:45I would have said, just a month or two ago, voted to extend those Obamacare subsidies that Republicans
18:52and Donald Trump allowed to expire last month, skyrocketing the health insurance costs for tens of
18:57millions of Americans, costs they're now seeing and paying today. In fact, that was the whole reason
19:02the government shut down late last year. And just a short time ago, 17 Republicans voted with every
19:08single Democrat in the caucus to restore those subsidies for three years, something Trump and
19:12Republican leadership fought tooth and nail to prevent. The passage was met with cheers from
19:17Democrats on the House floor, marking a pretty big win for the American people. Joining me now is
19:23House Democratic Leader Congressman Hakeem Jeffries of New York. Congressman, let's start on that vote,
19:29and I want to ask you about the situation that's developing in Minneapolis and Portland as well.
19:33But first of all, how did it come to pass that a three-year extension of these subsidies passes
19:39the House the first week back with a Republican majority?
19:43Well, it was a big victory for the American people, every single House Democrat holding firm,
19:48making clear that we needed to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits to prevent tens of millions of
19:54Americans from experiencing dramatically increased health insurance costs that would have prevented
19:59them, of course, from being able to go see a doctor when they need one. We're talking about health
20:04insurance increases that, in some instances, amount to $1,000 or $2,000 per month. Unacceptable.
20:11That's for working-class Americans, middle-class Americans, and everyday Americans.
20:14And for months, we've raised the stakes on this issue and have been clear that we'll find a
20:22bipartisan path forward on any issue when it relates to addressing the affordability crisis,
20:27but we were not going to go along to get along in terms of gutting the health care of the
20:32American
20:32people. And public sentiment, as Abraham Lincoln once said, is everything. With it, nothing can fail.
20:39Without it, nothing can succeed. And we were able to work with the people across the country who rose
20:47up and made clear this is something that Congress needed to get done. And in partnership with 17
20:54House Republicans who joined us, we made progress where people thought it was otherwise impossible.
21:01Just quickly to follow up on this. So where does this, I mean, is this DOA in the Senate? Is
21:06there
21:06the possibility of this actually happening in the Senate? What's your understanding of what happens
21:10now? It's definitively not dead on arrival in the Senate. Leader Schumer and every single Senate
21:17Democrat supports our legislation, a clean three-year straightforward extension of the Affordable
21:23Care Act tax credits. In fact, in December, a majority of senators, every single Senate Democrat
21:31and four Senate Republicans supported this legislation, meaning there's a majority that
21:36exists in the Senate right now. And we're demanding that John Thune bring it to a vote next week. No
21:43more procedural games, no more obstacles that are erected when we know that a majority of the senators
21:51support legislation, which is supported by the overwhelming majority of the American people.
21:57You are obviously in the minority in the House, but it's a very narrow minority right now. If I'm not
22:02mistaken, I believe Marjorie Taylor Greene's departure, outright departure from Congress,
22:07the sad and premature passing of a Republican member of Congress at the age of 65, and another
22:14member who I believe is incapacitated in the hospital right now, means that it's an operational
22:20one vote majority, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
22:23That's right. We're basically looking at 217 Republicans and 213 Democrats. At the end of the
22:31month, we think we'll be at 218 Republicans and 214 Democrats. I think what was missed from the very
22:38beginning of this Congress, Chris, was the fact that though it was a very disappointing election in
22:432024, and there are a lot of lessons to be learned, many of which we've already applied, which is why
22:49we
22:49decisively won victories across the country, including in Virginia and New Jersey and California in
22:55November of 2025. But I think that we overperformed the national political environment, and the House
23:04was already very narrow. Republicans to start the Congress only had a three-seat majority, which is
23:09why they're trying to gerrymander maps all across the country. By the way, we're pushing back against
23:14them aggressively, stopping them from implementing their scheme. And so this is the smallest majority
23:20at this point that any party has had since the Great Depression. And we're going to continue to
23:27stay on the case. We're going to continue to push back against Donald Trump and his extremism that's
23:32being unleashed on the American people, as we've horrifically seen in Minnesota. And we're going to
23:37fight to lower the high cost of living, fix our broken health care system, and address the corruption
23:42that is happening from this administration in real time.
23:46In the wake of the fatal shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis, lots of responses from members of
23:52your caucus. Local elected representatives, one of the things I've seen from members of the Democratic
23:57Caucus are calls to impeach Kristi Noem, not just for her stewardship of the department, but specifically
24:03the fact that she went out to the country and essentially lied, slandered a woman who had just been
24:08killed, a mother of three. There are efforts to impeach Kristi Noem. Are you open to those efforts?
24:13Do you support impeachment of Kristi Noem?
24:15Yeah, we haven't ruled anything in or anything out in terms of the proper way to bring about
24:20accountability. But what I can say, and we'll have a conversation amongst some caucus members on this
24:25tomorrow. I don't want to get out ahead of it. And then we'll reconvene early next week. But what's
24:30clear to me is Kristi Noem is deeply unqualified, deeply unserious, and deeply dangerous. She's a complete and
24:36total disgrace. She should never have been confirmed by the Senate in terms of holding
24:41this position. She lied to the American people, as she's been doing repeatedly, but in this instance,
24:49slandered a 37-year-old American citizen whose life was taken without justification by an ICE agent who
25:00showed depraved indifference to human life. That agent should be criminally investigated to the
25:07full extent of the law. And simultaneously in Congress, we need to decisively respond, and we
25:13will. And that'll be led, of course, by Robert Garcia, who leads our efforts on the Oversight Committee,
25:21Benny Thompson, who leads our efforts on the Homeland Security Committee, and Jamie Raskin,
25:26who leads our efforts on judiciary. Final question for you. This is something that Senator Chris Murphy
25:32said. Democrats cannot vote for a DHS budget that doesn't restrain the growing lawlessness
25:39of this agency. Do you agree with that? I agree that we need congressional restraint to limit or
25:49address decisively the lawlessness that the Department of Homeland Security has unleashed on the American
25:55people. And we should explore every opportunity in terms of getting to that place. That's legislative,
26:01and that's dealing with some of the bills that are going to be before us over the next couple of
26:05weeks. Look, we've made clear, Chris, that we don't go along to get along as House Democrats. That's why
26:11we delivered this big victory for the American people. And Senate Democrats also delivered a big
26:15victory for the American people in terms of the authorization to use military force resolution
26:22passing. And we just have to continue to stay on the case on all of these things in order to
26:28begin
26:29the process of decisively ending this national nightmare in the United States.
26:33We will be talking to some senators about precisely that War Powers resolution, which did get Republican
26:37votes today and did pass on a day when Donald Trump's Republicans lost a bunch of votes, both in the
26:43House and the Senate. It was a really interesting day beneath the awful tragedy that's been unfolding in
26:48Minneapolis. House Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffries. Thank you very much. Thank you.
26:52Still to come, the vote in the Senate that had Donald Trump absolutely fuming on social media.
26:57Senator Adam Schiff on the vote to rein in Trump's War Powers. Next.
27:05Well, Donald Trump is making a graduate basically dictator of the hemisphere in the world.
27:10Already in the first four days of Congress being back in session, the degrading of his political
27:14capital is everywhere evident. It's the big untold story of the new year so far we were just discussing
27:19with Congressman Jeffries. The House passed an extension of the Affordable Care Act subsidies,
27:24the big fight of the shutdown, right? Even though Donald Trump and Speaker Johnson didn't want it.
27:30Also today, remarkably, five Republicans joined Democrats to pass a resolution to check Donald Trump's
27:37war powers in Venezuela. Joining me now is a co-sponsor of that war powers resolution,
27:42Senator Adam Schiff, Democrat of California. Senator, it's good to have you. Tell me, what was
27:47the vote on today? Well, the vote was essentially to end any further use of force in Venezuela
27:55without an explicit authorization by Congress. So this will bring to the Senate floor next week a
28:01fulsome debate on Venezuela, something we haven't had. Most of the discussions on Venezuela have been
28:07behind closed doors. Each of the Senate committees has refused to bring up a resolution or a hearing
28:14or oversight on the subject. Now we will be able to compel that debate and vote. And having five
28:20Republicans join all the Democrats in the Senate in wanting to essentially put the brakes on
28:27ownership of Venezuela, on running Venezuela for their foreseeable future, I think that was a very
28:33significant vote. And the president of the United States also thought it was a very significant vote
28:38and lashed out immediately, as you pointed out. Yeah, let me read that. He said Republicans should
28:44be ashamed of the senators that just voted with Democrats in attempting to take away our powers
28:49to fight and defend the United States of America. Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Rand Paul,
28:53Josh Hawley, and Todd Young should never be elected to office again. This vote greatly hampers
28:59American self-defense national security, impeding the president's authority as commander in chief. In
29:02any event, despite their stupidity, the War Powers Act is unconstitutional, totally violating articles
29:07due to the Constitution, yada, yada, yada. Why do you think he reacted that way?
29:15Well, look, this is a significant number of Republicans in the Senate disagreeing with his use of force
29:21in Venezuela and threatening to put some constraint on the president's use of the war power,
29:29the irrigation to himself of the decision to commit American military forces in circumstances where we are
29:36not the subject of an attack, we are not the subject of an imminent invasion, and where it has become
29:41clear that what began ostensibly as some campaign against drug-running boats really wasn't about drug-running
29:48at all. If that wasn't obvious from his pardon of the former drug-running president of Honduras,
29:53it is clear now, as he has, you know, continually emphasized, this is about oil. This is about
30:00Venezuela's oil. This is about controlling their oil. And if the administration wants to come to
30:06Congress to make the case that we should put our service members at risk over access to a foreign
30:13country's oil deposits, then let them make that case and seek congressional authorization,
30:19I don't think they're going to get it from Congress. So this, I think, is a very important
30:24signal administration. The president knows that he can veto this bill if it were to get through the
30:28House. But it is important, I think, to the president to know that he has the solid backing of his
30:34party,
30:34and we're seeing some real cracks in that backing when it comes to another regime change,
30:40nation-building exercise over oil. There was an interview the New York Times conducted
30:47with the president in which they asked a bunch of stuff. But in that wide-ranging interview in New
30:52York Times, they asked if there were any limits on his global powers. Mr. Trump said, yeah, there is
30:56one thing, my own morality, my own mind, it's the only thing that can stop me. What do you think
31:02of that?
31:04Well, it's very interesting that he would put it that way. There are real constraints,
31:10not only to his mortality, but his morality, as you mentioned. But that is not a sufficient
31:16constraint, frankly. We need the Congress to exercise its role. After all, this is a president,
31:21among other things, who campaigned on America first, not engaging in more endless wars, paying
31:26attention to the home front. And while we have these crises over health care, as reflected in that
31:32vote in the House of Representatives today, rising costs of groceries, rising costs of housing,
31:38I think the American people on both sides of the aisle want the president focused on what he
31:43promised to do. That was address the cost of living, not engage in more endless warfare over oil.
31:49Final question for you. Reuters reporting today that there are discussions in the White House
31:53about acquiring Greenland through the following method, paying each of Greenland's 60,000 Danish
32:00citizens and residents, some lump sum money. The reporting from Reuters is that the money is between
32:06$10,000 per Danish citizen to $100,000. Do you think it would be a good idea, as Americans are
32:14struggling
32:14with the cost of living and health care and everything else, for the Treasury to dump $100,000
32:21per Dane on the denizens of Greenland? No, I don't think it's a good idea. It certainly doesn't
32:29sound like part of any America first agenda, I can imagine. There are a lot of Americans that would
32:34like to have that kind of money. And what's more, this is really spitting in the face of a NATO
32:39ally.
32:40Should we somehow try to bribe or extort Greenland into some common cause with the United States,
32:48or let alone use military force? It means really the incredible degradation of NATO,
32:55if not the disintegration of NATO. So there's a lot at stake here in this fixation the president
33:00has with Greenland. But no, that money should go to Americans. I don't think we want to be
33:05subsidizing Greenlanders to satiate the president and his fixation with Greenland.
33:11Senator Adam Schiff, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
33:14Thank you. We'll be right back.
33:19If you thought the awful tragedy yesterday would do anything to change the approach the Department
33:23of Homeland Security is taking in Minnesota, you would be wrong. Shortly after an ICE agent shot
33:29and killed 37-year-old Renee Gold in her car, masked armed border patrol agents led by the so-called
33:36head of CBP, a man named Craig Bovino, entered the grounds of Roosevelt High School in Minneapolis
33:42during dismissal time. They began tackling people, handcuffed two staff members and fired pepper spray
33:50at bystanders, according to Minnesota Public Radio. Some of these bystanders captured real-time
33:56disturbing video.
34:06Oh!
34:06Oh!
34:13Oh!
34:16Damn!
34:17That was a grenade!
34:21Guys, guys.
34:23Nobody's taking ISIS.
34:24They literally just killed someone.
34:27Don't antagonize them. They literally just killed someone.
34:31After that raid, Minneapolis schools canceled classes for the rest of the week because nobody wants their kids to be
34:36a target.
34:36Of course, that leaves the parents of Minneapolis having to arrange child care for an entire school district.
34:43One Roosevelt high school official spoke anonymously to NPR about how ICE conducted himself at that school.
34:49They don't care. They're just animals. I've never seen people behave like this.
34:54Senator Richard Bloom, false Democrat from Connecticut.
34:56He's been investigating the use of force by ICE officers since last August, and he joins me now.
35:01It's good to have you here. Thank you.
35:03The Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which you're on, did an investigation.
35:08It released a report in December on the use of force and the kind of reckless dragnet that ICE has
35:17undertaken, NCBP.
35:19You say that the Trump administration is seeking to build a nationwide paramilitary force with vast resources that lawlessly detains
35:25citizens based on its own whims,
35:27an effort which is a number of unfortunate and obvious historical parallels.
35:31How do you think what we've seen in Minneapolis in the last 24, 48 hours fits in with that?
35:36What happened in Minneapolis was preventable and predictable based on what we found in our report interviewing 22 victims of
35:45this kind of escalating indefensible violence,
35:48which involves U.S. citizens being detained, being dragged from cars, being injured and denied medical care, being denied access
35:58to relatives,
35:59is an example of the lawlessness and recklessness we're seeing on the part of ICE.
36:04And what we're seeing now, which you just showed in that video, smacks of a cover-up.
36:10If the top officials of our government were really interested in the truth, they wouldn't be prejudging the investigation.
36:19They would support an independent objective investigation, which is what I've called for, with state and local police.
36:27Do you think that jurisdictionally, your former attorney general for the state of Connecticut,
36:31jurisdictionally that local police, local law enforcement, state or local have jurisdiction here, should be able to investigate this?
36:39Of course they do.
36:41And in fact, as a former federal prosecutor, as well as a state attorney general,
36:47federal FBI and other law enforcement should be welcoming local and state police.
36:53They have resources, expertise, they know the community, they have trust in the community.
36:58They were on the scene first, local police, to secure the crime scene and collect evidence.
37:06So what is happening here in real time definitely smacks of a cover-up
37:13and I think will just further undermine the credibility of whatever investigation is done.
37:18And the kinds of errors, legal errors, that are being articulated by top officials,
37:26like this issue of no jurisdiction or the vice president saying there's absolute immunity,
37:31which is absolutely wrong, I think really betrays what they are supposed to be doing.
37:39We have seen DHS, whether CBP, ICE, HSI or others, conduct themselves in a way that seems,
37:45for lack of a better phrase, kind of post-constitutional.
37:49And I think the conviction they have is that the constitutional protections that American citizens enjoy
37:56are not enjoyed by people who are not American citizens and certainly not enjoyed by people here outside of authorized
38:02status.
38:03Of course, it's a fuzzy area in terms of what the Supreme Court says about that.
38:08But even today, the vice president said they were going door-to-door.
38:11And I thought to myself, well, you can't go door-to-door in America.
38:15That's like, I mean, that was true back in, you know, we fought a revolution in some ways in 1776
38:21over this.
38:22What has to be done to bring this entire agency that's only been around for 24 years, 23 years,
38:30back onto constitutional footing?
38:32Well, Congress does have the power of the purse.
38:36And the vote today on the War Powers Resolution indicates to me that maybe, maybe,
38:43and you and I have discussed it before, Republicans are growing a backbone.
38:47But more importantly, we need to elevate and highlight what's actually happening.
38:51That's why the investigation that I am conducting as ranking member of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations,
38:57I think is important because it documents with additional videos.
39:02The one that you just showed is only the latest example that I think will be powerful with the American
39:09people.
39:10One of the issues here, too, is a credibility issue.
39:14I did not read the statement the Department of Homeland Security put out today about the shooting in Portland.
39:19And again, we're waiting for details because it included a set of allegations about the individuals who were shot
39:24that, frankly, I just don't think I could responsibly share.
39:29And I say that, you know, because I just don't, I just have seen too many times them say things,
39:35particularly in the aftermath of an incident, that have proven to be false.
39:39Is that an overreaction on my part?
39:42Or in your investigation, have you found this same crazy gap between what they say after an incident
39:49and what turns out to be true?
39:51There is that gap.
39:53And it is wider now than ever before.
39:56And it's part of their MO.
39:58In almost every one of these 22 separate instances that we documented,
40:03we found that the reaction of ICE was, in fact, to try to discourage people from doing videos.
40:10In fact, they attacked them physically.
40:12They denied that anything wrong was done.
40:16They alleged there were injuries to the ICE agents.
40:20It is a pattern.
40:22Or were assaulted, right?
40:24Exactly.
40:26Senator Chris Murphy, I've been reading this tweet where he said it's crazy for us to vote to fund DHS.
40:32Unless we get some restraints.
40:34There's also news today that he will propose a sweeping reforms, including requiring a warrant for arrest,
40:40banning masks during enforcement operations, requiring Border Patrol to remain at the border
40:44after an ICE officer killed a woman in Minneapolis this week.
40:47Are you open to those ideas from your fellow Connecticut deputy?
40:50I am not only open to them, but I would support many of them.
40:54For example, masked agents unidentified on their uniforms in unmarked cars.
41:01And think of how that 37-year-old mom of three children reacted to that collection of ICE agents
41:11coming to the door of her car.
41:14That kind of intimidation and the need for legal restraint ought to be part of our exercise of appropriation of
41:21power.
41:22As I indicated before, we have the power of the purse.
41:24Yep.
41:25Senator Richard Blumenthal, thank you for joining us here.
41:31Before we go tonight, I want you to see this video from just before tip-off at the Minnesota Timberwolves
41:36basketball game,
41:37which was just a short time ago.
41:40We're saddened by the tragedy that occurred yesterday in our Minneapolis community and the loss of Renee and Nicole Goode.
41:49Our thoughts are with her family and everyone affected,
41:52and our hearts are with our community as we hope for healing and unity during this challenging time.
41:58Please join us in a moment of silence.
42:14Hometown basketball team showing more grace than the occupants of the White House.
42:19That's all in on this Thursday night.
42:21The briefing with Jen Psaki starts right now.
42:23He starts right now.
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