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The Rookie - Season 8 - Episode 15: Survive the Streets
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00:177-Matter-15, we're code 6 at the 911 call location.
00:21Any further contact from the distressed individual?
00:23Negative. Do you want me to start additional units?
00:25No, give us a minute to scope it out first.
00:28You ready?
00:28Do I have a choice?
00:30That's a spirit.
00:39LAPD, we've received a distressed call from this location.
00:42We are making entry.
00:52Do you feel that?
00:54Feel what?
00:55Something evil's in here.
00:57It sure smells like it.
01:07I can't die.
01:09It's inside of me.
01:11It won't let me die.
01:13It won't let me die.
01:15Elise, show yourself.
01:20It can't die.
01:21It's inside of me.
01:22It won't let me die.
01:23Don't touch that, all right?
01:24Just call this in.
01:25Call it in.
01:26I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim.
01:29So I usually sit right next to camera to keep the eyeline tight?
01:31Then I'll just sit on the other side.
01:33No, because then you'll split his look.
01:35Oh, hey, hi.
01:37Thanks again for sitting down with me.
01:38Us?
01:39What?
01:40Oh, right, us.
01:42Why are you filming?
01:42Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership.
01:45Abigail was very excited.
01:46It's not a partnership.
01:47It's totally a partnership.
01:48The judge was very clear.
01:49The judge?
01:50My name is Abigail Tierney.
01:52I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
01:55All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
01:57I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage in my last documentary without gaining
02:02the proper permissions.
02:03Translation.
02:04He stole my intellectual property.
02:06I sued, and the judge gave him a choice.
02:08Pay me 200,000 damages or give me equal partnership in his next project.
02:12He never said equal, but you know what?
02:14Never mind.
02:15Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell.
02:17Seat.
02:20Perhaps the most shocking case of murder and mayhem we've ever seen.
02:24Would you say that's a fair assessment?
02:25Um.
02:27No, no.
02:27Stay back.
02:28Stay back.
02:28Stay back.
02:29You don't understand.
02:29Okay, relax here, okay?
02:30We're trying to help you.
02:31Who stabbed you?
02:32I stabbed myself.
02:35It's inside of me.
02:36I've tried everything else.
02:37I can't kill it.
02:39I can't die.
02:40See?
02:41No, don't pull that.
02:42No, don't pull it out.
02:42Oh, God.
02:46Oh, he died instantly.
02:48I mean, the wound was fatal.
02:50You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive.
02:53But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding.
02:58Once he pulled it out...
02:59It was Blood Fountain City.
03:01Not exactly, but...
03:02As shocking as that was, it was far from the most shocking thing you found.
03:05Oh, we should get him to say that to set up the opening credits?
03:08That's not...
03:09We don't put words in people's mouths.
03:10It's a documentary.
03:14Yeah, it was, uh...
03:16Straight up crazy.
03:18We don't think...
03:19There's a body in there?
03:21Oh!
03:22And they have finally found it.
03:24Ah!
03:26Please don't kill us.
03:27We will join your cult.
03:28Yeah.
03:29Oh, God.
03:30You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor?
03:33Yes.
03:33I got there before the ambulance.
03:36Not that there was any aid they could have rendered.
03:38Is there a reason you didn't want us to interview you with Tim?
03:41What?
03:42No.
03:43We're just...
03:43I'm just shaking it up.
03:45Let's stay focused.
03:47Were you the first to recognize the victim?
03:49Uh, sort of.
03:51I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until we ran his prints that we got a name.
03:55Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
03:58He had been with the department for 30 years and was a little bit of a legend.
04:01Mostly because he made a series of training videos from the mid-90s till his retirement in 2015.
04:08Which, by modern standards, are a little cringe.
04:12Hey, everybody.
04:13Rich Rowley here with another installment of...
04:18Now, today, we're going to be talking about proper cuffing technique.
04:23Excuse me, officer?
04:24I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
04:27Would you mind cuffing me in front?
04:30Pretty lady like you.
04:33What's the worst that could happen?
04:38You're welcome.
04:40Ha!
04:40Oh!
04:42Rich was a trip.
04:44The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:47Then, as the years went on, he became a little, uh, crazy.
04:52Crazy how?
04:53He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:55He, uh, had a real thing for cults and cabals.
04:59To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:02But Rich took it to the next level.
05:04And his training videos got more and more intense because of it.
05:07We finally got around to updating the videos this last year,
05:09but that caused quite a controversy with some of the older officers.
05:13They said we were being insensitive.
05:15Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:18Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a
05:23way to keep his memory alive.
05:24Uh, I'm sorry.
05:25I thought Rich died six months ago.
05:27Yeah, he did.
05:28I'm talking about the first time.
05:31Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer, Richard Rowley, after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:38Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Raleigh's wife, who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:45after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:50Anytime someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:54Why is that?
05:55It's just an ideal place to cover up crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:59The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
06:03And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:05By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor.
06:08It was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips,
06:12his on-again, off-again girlfriend who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:20Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:22Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
06:24He never did.
06:25He was a strong swimmer.
06:27He must have hit his head when he fell.
06:30Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:31I'm scared of dark water.
06:33Dark water?
06:34Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:37Just blackness with God knows what lurking below.
06:41You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:43That's quite a bit of money.
06:45How dare you?
06:47I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:51We don't know that for sure yet.
06:53They haven't found his body.
06:55Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:59Go to hell.
07:01This interview is over.
07:02Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:05As we said, we couldn't rule anything out.
07:07But there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
07:10Until he turned up dead again.
07:12Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:15Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:17I checked.
07:18You're right, but profiting off of that death, collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance,
07:23that's fraud.
07:24Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:28You could be facing some serious charges.
07:31So, tell us.
07:32Why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:36After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse, and his paranoia, he was always a little intense.
07:46But it started to get scary.
07:48He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:52It started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:56What was he so afraid of?
07:57He said there was this group, like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
08:05He'd been onto them for years.
08:07But he said that they found out about him.
08:09That he was in danger because of it.
08:11It was too much for me.
08:13So I broke up with him.
08:14And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep and asked me to help him fake his death.
08:22In return for his pension.
08:24I needed the money.
08:25So, we got married, and we did the deed.
08:28And I never saw him again.
08:30So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage?
08:34Um, we'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
08:38You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
08:40Yeah, seems manipulative.
08:42All good storytelling is, so.
08:43Just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:46Uh, so once I arrived and we secured the crime scene,
08:50we cleared the rest of the house and then we moved on to the garage.
08:57Oh.
08:58Oh.
08:59You don't think there's...
09:00That there's a body in there?
09:01I absolutely do.
09:03Okay, are we gonna open it?
09:04Because I don't want to open it.
09:07What do you think?
09:08I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
09:11Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been underground for a few years.
09:14If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
09:18Unless...
09:18Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:26Oh, okay.
09:27Got it.
09:28Yeah.
09:28Oh.
09:30Oh, God.
09:36The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford,
09:41who was the victim of an unsolved homicide back in 2020.
09:44How was he killed?
09:46Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:48Just like Rich.
09:50Wait.
09:51Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:53Did I just solve the case?
09:54Uh, no.
09:55We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:58He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
10:01Medical records say he was so weak that, uh, he could barely get out of bed.
10:04Or that's what he wanted you to think.
10:06Moving on.
10:07Digging up a body is no easy task.
10:09Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:10Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:16And in some ways, it was.
10:18But then we found the tattoo.
10:20At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:24A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:28But when we looked back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:33That's actually kind of sick.
10:34I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:36I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
10:39Like, uh...
10:39To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
10:43What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:45Well, something about it was familiar to both of us, but we couldn't place it.
10:50So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:56I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
11:01So I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:04Sometimes citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:09That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:15While most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication,
11:18every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:23Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:26When's the last time you saw her?
11:27Last night at the bar. Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:31You always want to take a report like this one? Seriously.
11:35So Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:40What did you think that meant?
11:43I don't know.
11:44I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:46In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:50Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:56Anyways, it got me thinking. What if Rich put messages in other videos?
12:01What kind of messages?
12:03I'm not totally sure yet. I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:07Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:08And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:11The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos, I can't be sure that I'm not
12:16missing a vital piece of information.
12:17So what happened to the missing videos?
12:19So when the training topics and the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols,
12:24the department has to make new ones. And the obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized and
12:29archived for historical record. But Rich is, we're just gone.
12:35Gone and then destroyed?
12:36Like a cover-up?
12:37No one's saying that. Most likely it was a human error.
12:41You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:44I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies
12:48left. Bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:54What's the good news?
12:55Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased
13:01the studio's old hard drives.
13:03Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:07Same. I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:10Is that a fact?
13:11Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:13So you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:17Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy. I was building the company from the ground up.
13:21We had to be smart about how we were spending our money. We bought a huge amount of equipment
13:25secondhand. Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:28Wait, wait, you bought secondhand wigs?
13:31Give him a little shake before we put him on.
13:33That's awesome. Do you still have that wig connect? Because I'd love a referral my guy is.
13:38Back on track. Uh, the hard drives you bought contain police training videos. Did you happen
13:43to watch any of them?
13:43Of course. Rich Rowley, right? We were obsessed with those videos. We probably watched them like
13:49a dozen times. I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
13:54That's great.
13:55Vic can do the best impression.
13:56Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:59I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months
14:04ago. Sorry, I couldn't be more help. You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:11Yeah, probably not.
14:12Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:17Yes, sometimes on an edible. Mostly sober.
14:19I have an idea.
14:21Okay, so then you'd be like, don't forget to check the closet or you'll die. So, I don't know.
14:24I think it's a little bit more like, like, if you forget to check the closet,
14:27Freddie, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrud.
14:30Okay, I think there's less foot stuff. I feel like he's like,
14:34and then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend who's been hiding in the hallway closet
14:37will chainsaw your face when you get home because you forgot to clear the room.
14:42Clear the room!
14:42Clear the room!
14:43Check the room!
14:44I think he was so close to pulling out a gun.
14:45I'm rich.
14:46What are you guys doing?
14:47That's a great question.
14:48They're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:51Oh, the Rich Rowley ones! Those are so funny.
14:54I actually stole one of the hard drives so I could watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:57A little self-care, you know, trying to relax a little more.
15:01It's not working.
15:02Can we have it?
15:02If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
15:04No, I think this is actually working great.
15:07Okay.
15:07You can keep this up.
15:08We're riffing.
15:09Clearing the room!
15:10Help us.
15:10Okay, I finally finished watching all of the rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:15Um, take lesson 277.
15:21My Azaleas!
15:22A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:28You're kidding.
15:29No.
15:29And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:34star drawn on it.
15:36I'm lost.
15:36Right, so I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or
15:42Stella.
15:42And there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest.
15:47In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:52But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:55Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy.
15:59A series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown.
16:03If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:06He was a cop for 30 years.
16:08Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:14So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:18But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:20Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:23But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:27What do you mean in?
16:28One had a penny in her stomach.
16:30Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:33Stella Brown lucked out.
16:34Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:36And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:42Why?
16:43Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:46Okay.
16:46Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:48Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:52Gross.
16:53So, at this point, was your theory...
16:55I actually have no idea what the theory would have been.
16:57Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
17:00Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:05Okay.
17:07I may have finally found it.
17:10I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:13I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:15See that?
17:23I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:27Oh my god.
17:35Oh my god.
17:37No, no, no, no!
17:41for a guy pretending to be dead breaking into a secure military facility doesn't seem like
17:46the best idea no he wasn't just breaking into any military facility it was area 67
17:52what does that mean that's where the government keeps the aliens
18:03so rich broke into a secret government base on the hunt for a massive conspiracy then stabbed
18:08himself in the chest i mean at that point it's obvious what happened is it come on remember
18:12what rich said right before he died i can't die it's inside i mean it won't let me die yeah
18:19i'm not
18:19following rich was exposed to an alien parasite it was inside him were you familiar with area 67
18:27i'd heard of it yeah there's this am radio station i used to listen to back in foxburg kept me
18:34awake
18:34when i was working late the host was obsessed with uofos val's velvet bunker that's the one
18:40yeah i he was a little bit out there but uh always entertaining area 51 is theater do you believe
18:48do you really believe the most secretive military installation in the world would let itself become
18:55a tourist attraction no no no no area 51 is the distraction area 67 is the real deal
19:03you know why california has all those earthquakes it's not san andreas fault my friends
19:08it's the sonic resonance from area 67's underground testing chambers did you believe in his theories
19:15no no uh like i said just entertainment let's hear from a caller hi name's john long time listener
19:22fourth time caller hey john from foxburg welcome back what have you got for us tonight i swear to god
19:27i just saw a ufo john is such a common name i'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life
19:37you are yeah it's a big universe anything could be out there i don't know people who claim to have
19:43seen aliens tend to be a little off you're friends with the corpse right well yeah we were more than
19:48friends but fair enough okay legally is it necrophilia if she only did over the clothes stuff
19:53that's a great question oh i definitely believe in fact i've been abducted by aliens really multiple
20:02times apparently i'm a fascinating subject i remember the last time smitty was abducted turns out
20:10he partied too hard in vegas and woke up in wisconsin missing time one of the hallmarks of alien
20:16abductions and binge drinking point is the government had little gray men in their secret
20:23labs for decades what are they doing with them they're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting
20:29hosts and taking over their bodies you just never know who might be one of them
20:35some people in the station believed rich dabbed himself to kill an alien parasite
20:40but i wouldn't say that was a dominant theory it wasn't long before we figured out rich
20:46believed something darker and it was connected to the seven murders then why did rich break into
20:51the army base yes i remember the incident rich rowley cut through a fence he trespassed on government
20:58property he was promptly apprehended and sent on his way do you have any idea what rich was looking for
21:03uh as it turns out he was looking for me but not because of any alleged aliens so why did
21:11he come
21:13uh this part is uh is a little bit embarrassing um before i found my calling in the military i
21:20thought
21:21that i wanted to be an actor and uh i was in a few dtv movies what's dtv you're so
21:27young
21:28uh direct to video they made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s you make
21:34them as cheaply as possible and then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art to
21:38rent them a guy can't have a side gig totally how did you get into acting some director scouted me
21:45when i pulled him over he said i had a bitchin bod well he wasn't wrong but i gave it
21:52up because the
21:52people of this city needed a savior yeah you are the model of public service right anyway rich became
22:01interested in this terrible b movie uh that i was in i played a monk it was called 300 days
22:08of hell
22:13terrible b movie that's what he called it 300 days of hell is the scariest film of the 1990s
22:18really the ring scream blair witch project which one of us executive produced a horror movie
22:23trust me t-h-d-o-h is true nightmare fuel it's not that scary she made me watch at
22:30the beginning
22:30of our relationship when he was still trying to impress me you want to watch it again tonight
22:37i would totally i do have plans though
22:43yeah i'm not watching that crap even if it is for a case i i see enough horror on the
22:48job that being
22:48said 300 days of hell was our first real window into the rabbit hole that rich had gone down a
22:54rabbit hole filled with demons or rather a demon so rich believed a demon had killed all those people
23:01no the killers were definitely human killers plural yeah there was different trace dna on all the
23:06bodies all from different subjects and none of them were in the system meaning the murders were
23:11committed by a group of people with shared beliefs a murder cult the cult believed a demon named
23:17malifus had been possessing people all across the city jumping from host to host and it was up to them
23:23the legend of malifus is centuries old the first mention we see of him is 1433's lesser grimoire of
23:40solomon by slovenian inquisitor terentius bruma a reference text of demons and their attributes
23:47gnarly right he's also known as the deceiver the infestor and demon of 300 days why once summoned
23:56to earth malifus won't rest until he finds a human host after possession begins he incubates 300 days
24:04what happens after 300 days he reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable
24:11uh-oh um if malifus was summoned to earth how would one stop him bruma suggests killing the host
24:20might slow malifus down forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host a process that also
24:27can be slowed by the use of copper it was the pennies the pennies it all came back to the
24:34pennies
24:34before 1984 u.s pennies were 95 copper so the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon
24:41but
24:41what about the 1930 part are you familiar with numerology some ancient peoples and taylor swift
24:49believed there was a mystical connection between letters and numbers using the chaldean method the
24:57name malifus becomes a digit 1930 so you're saying we had a theory whoever killed those people believed
25:04the victims were possessed by malifus they had to reach malifus's host before he reached his true
25:11form a 1930 penny was the perfect tool yeah rich's talk of it's inside me it won't let me die
25:17he thought
25:18he was infested by this demon too and that's why he killed himself wait i thought rich didn't believe
25:24in malifus isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult yes but i mean years of obsession and
25:28paranoia
25:29can do a number on a person's psyche i mean it seems as though in the end rich could no
25:33longer
25:33distinguish fantasy from reality and you got this theory from rich's files well i mean we actually
25:38got it from lopez and they say watching old horror movies isn't a good use of time
25:44i never said that
25:53are we safe brother is malifus banished his sigil is drawn the right is spoken we have sealed his last
26:03human vessel with copper
26:12heaven forgive us indeed for hell will not midnight the 300th day our task was done none too soon
26:53yeah that was me
26:57do you guys want a glass oh you got anything stronger
27:02fine i'll just take the glass okay i'll just i'll have nothing actually no fun for me
27:08yeah that was my first big movie role well my only one really rich was so excited when i told
27:17him my book
27:18did he helped me run lines did rich buy into the malifus mythology no weirdly given all the conspiracies
27:25that rich believed in he was a total atheist but i wouldn't have blamed him after everything that
27:31happened on that shoot like what
27:35before production wrapped the dp was paralyzed driving to set a stunt person had his leg amputated
27:42there were divorces bankruptcies careers ended one of the actors even died in his hotel room people say the
27:50production was cursed what about you what do you believe i believe the real curse was the director
27:58he was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set
28:01cuts cuts
28:03arthur arthur arthur your strangulation it has to be real i want to feel the life draining from him
28:12and you you you cannot move from your position not even an inch guys this ritual is extremely specific
28:21okay let's go again okay i thought i was choking you pretty well i'm sorry okay i'm gonna choke you
28:27a little harder ready douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff i guess he had grown up in some
28:32sort of commune and this was all based on stories he was told growing up okay but what i heard
28:38is that
28:38they accidentally summoned malifus for real the director found some ancient tome and inserted the
28:44incantation and rituals verbatim oh i love that and that's what got me thinking about the penny
28:50killings we found the first victim just a little under 300 days after the summoning ritual was
28:55filmed we knew rich was aware of the malifus legends it was only natural to link them so rich
29:00thought that penny victims were killed by people trying to stop malifus was he able to identify any
29:05of these killers we know he tried hi hey how are you jared hello um it's a it's a pleasure
29:14to meet you
29:15gentlemen pleasure to meet you too why don't you tell us about yourselves yeah we uh co-starred on a
29:21tv
29:22show together for 15 seasons uh called supernatural yeah we played sam and dean winchester brothers that
29:30uh you know tracked and fought supernatural beings like k-pop demon hunters no no not like that
29:38i mean you look kind of like that okay can you tell us about your encounter with rich rally yeah
29:44yeah yeah yeah rich rally he came to a fan event we did last year um at monster con yeah
29:52you know
29:52most people show up and they just want uh the autograph for a photo uh but rich was
29:58sort of a different beast altogether yeah yeah he was he was super fixated on this one particular
30:05episode where we fought a demon malifus yeah uh that one anyway he seemed to think we
30:12like knew more about it than we were saying more about what demon hunting he kept like asking these
30:20super pointed questions like like he was uh testing us or something did you have an answer no
30:27no i mean we didn't we didn't come up with these stories you know we just did what the writers
30:31wrote
30:31it's called acting there's no actual demon hunters in real life exactly uh that's not exactly true
30:39there is at least one and it actually connected to the movie we heard the director brought a priest
30:46named father simon mccabe to bless the set every day before filming well it was either that or the
30:51whole crew was going to walk does that name mean anything to you
30:56about 15 years ago lopez and i had just finished our rookie years we responded to a call it a
31:01house
31:02of a priest doing an exorcism with a 16 year old girl had been going on for three days
31:10help her please
31:14help her please
31:21get away from her
31:24father forgive me
31:35did you feel like you'd seen the devil the only thing in that room that belonged in hell was
31:39father simon he kept saying he had to the whole way to the station i'm sorry i had to i'm
31:45sorry i
31:46had to because he believed she was possessed she had a brain tumor that's what they found after the
31:51autopsy she needed a doctor not an exorcism and he wasn't a man of god he was a killer the
31:57courts
31:57agreed so father simon was convicted of first-degree murder when we processed him we found a penny in his
32:03pocket nothing else just a penny didn't mean anything at the time but after rich connected
32:07those seven murders it seemed likely he was involved involved like he killed them no simon was
32:13already in prison when five of the murders took place and his dna didn't match any that was found
32:18on the corpses but he could have been part of whatever group rich was so afraid of which means
32:23he knew more than he had told us so we had to go back officers i remember you you you
32:31were the ones
32:31who tried to stop the ritual i just wish we would have gotten here sooner becca scott might still be
32:35alive oh she was long gone before you arrived demon saw to that malifus do not say its name in
32:44my
32:44presence boy are you afraid we might accidentally summon it you may scorn me and my beliefs but i
32:51have fought this evil i know enough to fear its power what's more evil than murdering a child
32:57i took no pleasure in the act i'm grateful i had the courage to do what was necessary courage tell
33:03us
33:03about the penny that was in your pocket in the movie 300 days of hell malifus is sealed inside his
33:09host with copper before he can be killed banished not killed what's the difference the demon is a
33:17parasite it needs a host once you kill the body that inhabits it find a new one becca scott was
33:24just
33:24a single battle in a larger war if you're in here who's doing the fighting now the knights of avila
33:33los angeles has a long history of spiritualism esoteric religions that go back over 100 years
33:39so think alistair crowley jack parsons l ron hubbard he freaking loves this stuff i do anyway a lot of
33:47these groups started out as fraternal orders similar to the freemasons where people would gather and and
33:53share well yeah yes and and some women and they would share new ideas explore philosophies they also
34:01liked partying doing drugs and performing weird sex rituals sign me up for the intellectual exchanging
34:10of ideas obviously so the nice of avila is one of these groups it was like a lot of the
34:15similar
34:15organizations at the time it fell apart when the founder died it hasn't been active in 60 years
34:20then what was father simon talking about based on tim and lopez's conversation with father simon we
34:26began to believe that the group or at least the name had been revived sometime in the late 90s to
34:33the early 2000s and rebranded as some kind of demon hunting cult so rich was actually right there was
34:41a murderous cabal after him it seemed that way and we were getting close to discovering who their ring
34:50leader was i found him found who doug roberts i want to throw a live training for man oh you
34:56mean
34:56the director of the sad little demon porn where i was going through some old industry trades from
35:00around the time th doh was slated to come out one of the articles mentioned that roberts was a client
35:05of stewart winecliffe at the golden talent agency the guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years i doubt they
35:10still rep him not actively no but i called their offices and i bribed or like i talked one of
35:16the
35:16assistants into giving me the address where his residual checks are sent it's downtown let's go
35:20uh hold on you just want to go doorstep the guy if that means go knock on a door while
35:24also filming
35:25then yes yeah i'm not in the business of gotcha journalism what about the business of making that
35:30paper the guap money guy come on the doc business is oversaturated these days we need footage that p.o
35:39.p's
35:39and what pops more than blindsiding a potential cult later come on what's the worst that could happen
35:47this is it okay um uh here here's your camera um i don't operate oh well
35:58now you do let's go what floor is it on eight but uh there's an elevator don't worry
36:14are you sure it's that way yep nope you know
36:20at the risk of being called a scaredy cat you do understand that this is inherently neither a wise
36:26nor safe activity you're asking a woman if she understands that it's inherently dangerous to go
36:31anywhere or do anything when you put it that way i sound like an ass
36:39maybe we should come back hey hello douglas roberts we're here to question you about murders
36:46and demons that should get his attention oh i am just an intern
36:58so clearly we're not deceased which means we saved you from certain deaths i'm not sure how
37:04certain it was oh it felt pretty certain to me please don't kill us we will join your cult is
37:09there
37:09a membership fee or a secret handshake i love the secret handshake ignore her she's not right in the
37:14head in fact she has short-term memory issues so if you let her go now she won't remember any
37:17of
37:17this just shut up no one's going anywhere i mean technically we're all going somewhere
37:26all right all right let him go get your hands up up against jeep now let's go
37:37oh my god yeah thanks for trying to save me even though i'm the one who put us in danger
37:43no problem i was about to do the same thing but you just uh beat me to it i can
37:49be noble too
37:50no doubt yeah i get very claustrophobic can i just point out how claustrophobic i get please
37:54so when did you and douglas meet in the movie he was you know so commanding and driven and everything
38:03i wasn't when did he start talking about killing the demon it was uh at least a year after that
38:09he would
38:09call me late at night and talk about the demon and how scared he was for the world and eventually
38:15it started to make sense and he told you that someone was possessed correct her name was cynthia
38:24um she cried when i tied her up and she kept saying that she was not a demon she begged
38:30me to believe her
38:35and at that point he was very deep in my head and then tonight you know all the lies he
38:41was spewing at
38:42the end it was like somebody turned on a light switch i could just see him for who he was
38:47so pathetic
38:52we'll need you to write up a detailed confession
38:59i would like to make a deal uh we have already located your co-conspirators you don't really
39:07have anything to offer you don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like
39:13i am all that stands between the world and damnation so all of the people that you had targeted they
39:21had to die for the greater good yes and my heart breaks for each of them but i will not
39:29let
39:29innocence fall to perdition okay have you had your fill of bs god yes okay me too so uh first
39:37victim
39:39cynthia green you dated for two years before she cheated on you marcus ford he worked as a teamster
39:45on your movie then later sued you for non-payment pamela jones wrote a scathing review of your movie
39:52really i i had no idea all seven victims were people who wronged you in some way you don't even
39:59believe in the demon you just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds to do your
40:04dirty work for
40:04you exactly i was the director i think you'll find i never laid a finger on any of the victims
40:14and
40:15i think you will find that manson died in prison all right uh anything else no i think we got
40:25everything okay that was a crazy one huh tell me about it and look thanks so much for all of
40:31your
40:31time and for saving our lives anything from my favorite documentarian actually the only documentarian
40:36i know not true i'm a documentarian too of course yes oh speaking of how did this whole uh working
40:43together thing go is this the start of a beautiful friendship i don't know i mean we have very
40:49different styles and instincts and well basically everything but i'd be open to another collaboration
40:57oh um it's just i uh i kind of signed an exclusive three film deal with hulu
41:04what yeah i um i sent them a sizzle reel of this project just the me parts
41:08and uh they freaked said i'm gonna be the new face of true crime their words wow i mean you'd
41:14probably
41:14be able to bring him along though right oh totally totally i gotta go but uh thanks again hello no
41:26i said
41:26toronto and then camp she'll probably call you
41:32and i have to go ahead and check out my name and i'll be able to do it
41:35so
41:36it's
41:36it's
41:37it's
41:37it's
42:00it's
42:09Damn it.
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