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The First 48 - Season 28 - Episode 03: Broken Youth
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00:01This program documents actual homicide investigations.
00:05Criminal charges are often dropped or reduced,
00:07and all suspects shown are presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
00:21Simon, why didn't you sign up?
00:22Our boy just got shot.
00:25Are you with them?
00:26Yes, I'm with them.
00:27Who's with them?
00:28I don't know. I don't know. Just bring someone here, please.
00:34911, do you need police?
00:36I need all of them. There's a young boy who's been shot.
00:39The help is already on the way.
00:41Did you see anything?
00:43I did. I saw the boy who did it.
00:45They ran away.
00:48First responders arrive in an apartment complex
00:51and find a young man lying under a gazebo, shot multiple times.
00:56Is he going to be 10-7?
00:58I don't know.
01:00EMTs rush the victim to the hospital.
01:03But on the way, he dies.
01:06Can you all see what happened?
01:08I saw two boys running that direction.
01:11They were planning for the cops.
01:13He ran into that building right there.
01:15We need all four quarters covered right now.
01:18Frank 314 to all units responding.
01:20Lock this unit down.
01:21Two, go. Three, go. Four, go.
01:23Let's go.
01:24Patrol locks down the building and searches its unit.
01:27I got your back.
01:31Don't squeeze.
01:32Don't squeeze.
01:33If anyone's injured, make yourself know.
01:35I'm just trying to clear it.
01:36Make sure how he's in there.
01:37I'm just trying to clear it.
01:39Make sure how he's in there.
01:43But the suspects are nowhere to be found.
01:48Please don't let this be real.
02:01For homicide detectives, their chance of solving a murder is cut in half if they don't get a lead within
02:08the first 48 hours.
02:18Lacey and I are heading to southeast Tulsa in reference to a homicide that just went out.
02:25The preliminary reports that I'm hearing is that this guy got shot in the chest.
02:31Detective Jason White will lead the investigation, Tulsa's third homicide of the day.
02:36Lacey and I were up here helping on another homicide.
02:39What's going on out here?
02:41Yeah, three homicides in less than 24 hours.
02:43It's a homicide explosion in the city of Tulsa.
02:48Man, there's a lot of cops out here.
02:51I hope I have a lot of witnesses.
02:53Hopefully that's one right there.
02:54All right, let's do this.
02:55Let's do this.
03:03Hey, where's the scene?
03:04How are you?
03:05All right.
03:19What's happening?
03:21The victim is Fedro F-E-D-R-O, last name Givens.
03:28Eighteen-year-old Fedro Givens Jr. was born in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and raised in Tulsa.
03:34The youngest of 15 siblings, he was visiting his sister who lived in the complex.
03:40A recent graduate of Union High School, Fedro had just enrolled in classes to become a truck driver.
03:48What we had is the victim sitting here with three females.
03:51One of them was his girlfriend.
03:53Okay.
03:54Two males walk up.
03:56They walk right up to where the victim's at, probably just like right around in here.
04:01They engage in a conversation that probably doesn't last for more than 10 seconds.
04:06And according to the witnesses, the suspect pulls out a pistol and shoots him.
04:13It looks like three shots.
04:15Fedro was shot three times in the chest.
04:19Got one round right here, round right there, round right there.
04:25CSI finds three 9mm casings.
04:29Some witnesses thought that they saw the suspects potentially go into one of the buildings that they have locked down.
04:35They clearly run successfully.
04:40When we got here, there was probably 30 or 40 people out here.
04:44Family and friends.
04:45So somebody had obviously notified them.
04:47We have three eyewitnesses that watch us.
04:49Yeah.
04:50Yeah.
04:51Just take them down.
04:52The three friends who witnessed Fedro's murder will be taken to homicide for questioning.
04:57We need a video from that complex.
04:59I think Lieutenant Watkins is obviously.
05:01Okay.
05:03Lieutenant Brandon Watkins is downloading the complex's surveillance footage from around the time of the shooting.
05:09I think that once we get this video footage, then we're gonna be in better shape.
05:14We are gonna go downtown and we're gonna start doing our interviews and start seeing if we can get to
05:18something.
05:29All right, first of all, thank you for your patience.
05:34And your mom, your little sister.
05:37This is Lacey.
05:38My name is Jason White.
05:39White.
05:39White and Detective Lacey Lansdowne start with a 16-year-old friend of Fedro's.
05:45You were there.
05:46You witnessed something horrific.
05:49Tell me what happened this afternoon.
05:52We all, like, sit at the little benches, because that's where we hang out every single day.
05:56The witness says she was sitting under the gazebo with Fedro, his girlfriend, and another friend.
06:02We saw the boy in the gray hood and then his friend.
06:05When a black male in a gray hoodie and a white male approached them.
06:10He walked up to us and then they asked Fedro.
06:14They were like...
06:19Take your turn.
06:23They were like, are you friends with so-and-so, but I don't know what he said.
06:28Mm-hmm.
06:29And Fedro, he was like, yeah, and that's when the boy began to turn around.
06:34He started shooting.
06:38Okay.
06:39Have you ever seen any of these two boys before?
06:44Okay.
06:45Good.
06:45Good.
06:46Do you know their names?
06:48No.
06:50I'm pretty sure.
06:51They live in the range of bad boys.
06:53She thinks the suspects live in the apartment complex across the street from the crime scene.
06:58How do you know that they live over there?
06:59It was either last week or the week before.
07:01The boy in the gray hood, he came over there and he gave Fedro a handshake.
07:05Like, they were cool.
07:06And I was like, who is that?
07:08And he said it was the eighth grader that lives over there in those apartments.
07:11Okay.
07:12Is that the individual that you saw shoot today?
07:15Yeah.
07:16Fedro told her the shooter was a student at Union High School.
07:21So, describe him from head to toe, best you can.
07:25He's like black, 5'5", maybe.
07:29His hair is like, it's kind of just like that nappy dude.
07:34He was wearing like a gray hoodie and his hood was on, and then his pants were like dark.
07:40What was the other guy doing?
07:42The white boy?
07:42Huh?
07:42He was just standing there.
07:44It was kind of like he was like, I guess you could say like this following him.
07:50Describe him from head to toe.
07:52His hair was like blonde and it was like going down.
07:56Okay.
07:56And he's then two.
07:58They're about the same height.
07:59How old would you say he is?
08:01He looks like he was in about the same grade.
08:05Was Fedro selling anything over there?
08:08No.
08:09Do you know he was having issues with somebody?
08:12No.
08:13He was friends with everyone, like literally.
08:16Okay.
08:18Do y'all know if he made it, everything was good or...
08:20He did not make it.
08:21Oh no.
08:22Yeah, he's passed away.
08:32Okay.
08:33I know.
08:37I know it's tough.
08:38I know it's hard.
08:39I do.
08:40No.
08:42It's horrible.
08:42I can't imagine seeing something like that at her age.
08:45And I'm thankful that she's not hurt.
08:51I'm sorry.
08:54I don't know what to do.
09:00All right, sweetie.
09:02White and Lansdowne turned to Fedro's girlfriend.
09:06Young lady, my name is Jason White.
09:09This is Lacey Lansdowne over here, okay?
09:12How long have you guys been boyfriend and girlfriend?
09:13Three months.
09:15I know that this is horrific for you.
09:18Okay.
09:20Tell me what happened.
09:21We were all sitting at the table.
09:24And these two teenagers came up.
09:28They asked Fedro.
09:32They came up.
09:34Somebody.
09:37And Fedro was like, yeah, what's up?
09:42And then the teenager shot him.
09:48And ran off.
09:53So there's two guys come up.
09:55Let's talk about the first one, the guy that's the shooter.
10:07How old is he?
10:09How old is he?
10:12Okay.
10:13And then the second guy?
10:15He was white male.
10:18He was about the same height as him.
10:20Around the same age.
10:22He had on a darker shirt.
10:25With some dark pants.
10:28Okay.
10:30Fedro, had he told you that he had any issues with anybody?
10:35No.
10:40You know his condition?
10:42No.
10:44He ended up passing away.
10:51Dear, I'm so sorry.
10:53I'm going to give you my card.
10:55If you do find out the street name, a real name, I want you to call me.
10:58Okay.
11:01Thank you so much.
11:06Yeah, we're very sorry.
11:10Down the hall.
11:13The third witness tells Detective Max Ryden a similar story.
11:22It's pretty callous.
11:23I don't know what the reason's going to be.
11:25He walked up and said, you know so-and-so.
11:29Yes, I do.
11:31And then the guy will start shooting him.
11:33It's just crazy.
11:38An hour later.
11:42I tried downloading an hour in every direction.
11:45Watkins has the surveillance footage from the complex where Fedro was shot.
11:50I'm going to pull this in closer so I can kind of see.
11:53White pulls up footage from the time of the shooting.
11:57There's three chicks sitting here.
11:58And then there's the victim standing around this pole.
12:05Here it is.
12:07Two guys that walk up.
12:14There's going to be Fedro right here without his shirt on.
12:18And it looks like the black male in the gray hoodie is talking to him.
12:23There he goes.
12:24He's pulling out the gun.
12:27Super brutal.
12:28It's just cold-blooded, man.
12:31It's just a straight-up execution.
12:47That's pretty bad.
12:49Kid didn't deserve to be executed.
12:59Let's do that one more time.
13:02The shooter is this black kid in a gray hoodie.
13:07It looks like the white kid might be wearing a Batman t-shirt.
13:11He looks like he's like 14 years old.
13:14We'll have to try to figure out who these cats are.
13:18Then...
13:19Our collar picked it up and put it in this butcher bag.
13:22A resident of the complex found a gray hoodie in a drainage ditch
13:26a hundred yards from where Fedro was shot.
13:30That looks really close.
13:31Let's take it over to the crime scene people.
13:36This has been discarded pretty quickly
13:37because the sleeves are inside out on it.
13:39So somebody has shocked that real quickly.
13:42Man, I love it.
13:43So that could be what he was wearing.
13:46I'll have DNA, touch DNA done on it and see if we get lucky.
13:54Six hours in.
13:57I'm calling the victim's mother
13:59and express my condolences
14:02and that if she hears anything, please call.
14:05Hello, Ms. Givens.
14:06This is Detective White.
14:09I am sorry for what you're going through.
14:11I didn't see anything from the video that I have.
14:14I certainly didn't see that your son did anything to provoke this.
14:18Please, if you hear anything, I want you to feel free to call me.
14:22Okay.
14:23All right.
14:24Bye-bye.
14:32When they called my husband's phone to tell him that he was shot,
14:36I was just totally taken back.
14:40I know people say it's cliche that you never thought it would be somebody in your family.
14:45But I never thought it would be my son.
14:51I miss him.
14:52I miss him walking in the door and tall as he was, come and sit on my lap.
14:57Then all the kids would get jealous and tell him, get off, you too big.
15:00But he would say, it's my mama.
15:03It's my mama.
15:05He was my baby.
15:07He had just started working at a new company.
15:10So he was excited.
15:11He had a lot of hopes and dreams at that moment.
15:14He had a girlfriend that he just adored.
15:16And he was only 18 years old.
15:19But at 18 years old, oh my God, he made an impact.
15:23He loved people from young and old.
15:26I had so many teachers email me, call me, text me.
15:30They said he was always a joy.
15:33It was humbling to know that the way I thought he was, was how he was out there.
15:39He had a great life.
15:42But I feel sorry that his life was taken too soon.
15:46Too soon.
15:57Seven hours after Federal was shot and killed.
16:00We're going to have to go to the eighth grade union and say, who are these kids?
16:04Yeah, you're right.
16:07So that's going to be one of my first stops is to go to union schools and try to visit
16:12with a counselor to see if they can maybe tell us who they are.
16:17So we'll see what tomorrow brings.
16:25The next day.
16:26These guys over here at this eighth grade center have got to know who this kid is.
16:30Yeah.
16:31White and Lansdowne head to Union School's eighth grade center, hoping the staff can ID the suspects in the surveillance
16:38video.
16:40Union, it's a huge school.
16:42They literally have enough eighth graders to fill an entire school.
16:46I wouldn't be surprised if that one white kid's not wearing that Batman shirt to school today.
16:51You would think that they would be at home freaking out.
16:54I don't know if it's a generational thing, but these kids of today don't really think like that.
16:58They just don't.
17:00Yeah, I agree.
17:01We deal with this all the time.
17:02We're always scratching our heads going, golly, what's wrong with these kids?
17:05Why wouldn't you come forward?
17:06I'll tell you what.
17:07If I was walking next to my buddy and my buddy pulled out a gun and shot somebody, I'd be
17:11calling the cops.
17:11Yeah.
17:12I'd be like, look, I didn't do anything.
17:14I want to make this right.
17:16Let me tell you what his name is.
17:17Matter of fact, here's his phone number and his social security number.
17:20That's what I would be doing.
17:23Right there.
17:34Hey, how are you?
17:35You doing all right?
17:35Hey, I wanted to show you some video right quick.
17:38Meanwhile.
17:41Tell us the place.
17:42Detectives Max Ryden and Jeremy Stiles canvassed the apartments across the street from the crime scene where the first witness
17:48believes the suspects live.
17:51Hi, how are you doing?
17:52I'm good.
17:52Good.
17:53We had a homicide in the complex next door.
17:55Do you know of any white male teenagers that live in this building?
17:58I saw them, no.
17:59He wears like a Batman shirt around.
18:0212 to 16 year old range.
18:04I don't know.
18:06I don't know.
18:06Do you know what I can figure?
18:07Like a white and a black boy.
18:09The white boy is wearing a Batman shirt.
18:11I don't know.
18:12Okay.
18:13I appreciate it.
18:16Go on to their office and show them the video.
18:18Let's do it.
18:26These guys can't figure out who those two kids are.
18:29So we're going to go ahead and we're going to go to the freshman center because they could actually go
18:33to that school.
18:37Tell me some good news.
18:39Ryden calls in with an update.
18:41The maintenance can't identify anybody off our crappy video.
18:45Okay.
18:46Appreciate all your help.
18:47I'm going to go to the high school and I'm going to show them the video.
18:49All right.
18:49Bye.
19:10Okay.
19:11I've got a name.
19:12According to the security guys here.
19:14One that could potentially be our guy that's the white kid.
19:18Union high school security officers gave detectives the name and photo of an 18 year old senior whom they believe
19:25is the white suspect.
19:27And they said, yeah, he's a troubled child.
19:29He has a lot of problems.
19:31On the surveillance video, when you see him, he's got his left hand in his left pocket.
19:36And they said, yeah, he walks like that all the time.
19:38You can't change your walk.
19:40It's promising.
19:52The school gave us an address for this kid.
19:54And he lives very close to the crime scene.
19:57We need to go canvas the neighborhood and see if we can get any video of him coming and going
20:01wearing a Batman shirt around the time of the murder.
20:04He's not the shooter.
20:05So hopefully he'll talk to us.
20:07I feel things moving, moving and shaking, shake and bake.
20:16With 11 hours left in the first 48.
20:18Uh, we've got a name of a possible suspect that lives around the corner from the shooting.
20:25The team heads to the possible suspect's address.
20:29We're gonna go get some video surveillance surrounding his house to see if he was wearing the right clothing that
20:33would match our suspect.
20:35So, can't hit home run unless we're swinging.
20:40Our target's the one with the silver truck.
20:43Next to that one's pulling in.
20:45We'll go to that one.
20:50I'm a detective right in Tulsa Police Department.
20:52We're working a homicide that happened on Friday down the street.
20:55Yeah.
20:55Did your video surveillance work?
20:57No.
20:58Hi.
21:00We're looking for anybody who has a ring doorbell.
21:02What I'm looking for is a white male teenager wearing a black shirt with a yellow emblem.
21:08And I think it's a Batman.
21:10If you see that, give me a shot.
21:12Thank you, ma'am.
21:17Did you do that one?
21:18Yeah.
21:18She pulled up Friday and I was pointing to the street.
21:21I think there's our suspect walking out now.
21:23Watkins spots a young man on the front porch of the possible suspect's house.
21:28Really?
21:28I think that's our time.
21:33How are you doing?
21:34The young man says he's the possible suspect's brother.
21:40Hi.
21:41How you doing?
21:42Good for you.
21:42All right.
21:43I'm Detective Ryden, Tulsa Police.
21:45Are you a **** mom?
21:46Yeah.
21:47I guess he's at school, right?
21:48Uh-huh.
21:49Okay.
21:50Can I talk to you without him hearing?
21:51I just, like, I'm not late.
21:53You're totally fine.
21:54The mother agrees to talk in Ryden's car.
21:57Okay, what is the...
21:59So, I'll explain it all in the car.
22:07Okay.
22:08We're working a homicide that happened on Friday down the street.
22:11We've been told that your son might have been there when it happened.
22:16I'm, like, I'm, like, shaking.
22:18Now, this is boring as hell, so the video's better, but...
22:21Ryden shows the mother a still of the white suspect in the surveillance video.
22:26I'll be honest, it doesn't even look like them.
22:30But...
22:30Can you tell me the location?
22:32I have Life 360.
22:33That's right.
22:33And I can track right where they were Friday...
22:35What time?
22:37Say 7 to 7.30.
22:39Okay, let me scroll back.
22:417.05.
22:42Mm-hmm.
22:43Looks like he was out north.
22:46Oak Ridge Hills.
22:47Can you show him?
22:48Yeah, he was...
22:48That's all 7, 7, 7, 7, 8.
22:52Like, all out there by that area.
22:54Yeah.
22:55Her son was 15 miles from the crime scene at the time of Fedro's murder.
23:01Okay.
23:02Thank you, ma'am.
23:07So, she's very honest.
23:08She had his Life 360 and showed us he was up north on the highway when this happened.
23:12I think he's a bad den.
23:22I still get upset.
23:25I wear my feelings on my sleeve sometimes, and I want nothing more than to be able to solve this
23:30case.
23:32We're gonna maintain hope and we're gonna hit the streets and see if we can find some additional camera footage
23:37that might show a better view of either one of these young men.
23:41We'll see what we can drum up.
23:52The next day...
23:55Pulled eight hours of video.
23:57The team scours more surveillance footage from the complex where Fedro was shot.
24:01With the Sussex being on foot, there's a likelihood that they were on foot in the vicinity earlier.
24:07So, just looking at video, trying to find them and hoping to get lucky.
24:13Looking for a white kid wearing a Batman shirt and a black kid wearing a gray hoodie.
24:18I watched and nobody came back south.
24:27Here's two guys that are pretty close match to what we're looking for.
24:30Three hours before the crime.
24:32Walking northbound.
24:33White male on a black male.
24:35Size is correct.
24:38What's north of there?
24:39There's a convenience store up there.
24:41It's got some really good cameras.
24:43If they walked past it, we'll be able to get a good shot of them.
24:50What's up?
24:51Hey, Nathan found some video.
24:53Really?
24:54Nathan thinks they headed down the street towards a convenience store.
24:58This is perfect.
24:59I'm five minutes away from there.
25:01I'm gonna go over there right now.
25:02All right, bye.
25:03White heads to the store, hoping their cameras caught the suspects.
25:1420 minutes later.
25:17White messages.
25:19Detective Nathan Schilling.
25:20Fingers crossed.
25:21Fingers crossed.
25:25It is a Batman shirt.
25:29There's our suspect.
25:43I sent it all to Union Public Schools security guys and said, who is it?
25:48They know those kids, inside out, upside down.
25:56Oh, here we go.
25:58Union High School sends White the name and yearbook photo of a student they believe is the black male in
26:03the video.
26:06Oh, that's pretty close.
26:09We may know who the shooter is.
26:10A guy by the name of Caleb Pelton.
26:13He's 16.
26:14He'll be 17 in a few days.
26:17Caleb Pelton is a senior at Union High School.
26:20His last known address is in the apartment complex across the street from the crime scene.
26:26I put it on the group.
26:29Let's see what we can do to get this thing rolling.
26:32It's starting to come together.
26:34They're like bread and butter.
26:37Let me message somebody else here.
26:39Lacey, put that kid in a lineup to show to a couple of these witnesses, please.
26:46They got a really good look at the black kid.
26:48They were looking at him because he's the one that had the gun.
26:52Let's see if we get lucky on it, you know?
26:57An hour later.
26:58We're going to meet with one of the witnesses and Jeff's going to show them these photo lineups.
27:04Lansdowne and Detective Jeff Gatwood head out to meet Fedro's girlfriend.
27:08If we can get this shooter ID'd, we'll have enough for an arrest warrant for him.
27:25Oh, there you are.
27:27Hi, sweetie.
27:27This is Detective Gatwood.
27:28He's really nice.
27:30He's going to show you some pictures.
27:32Want to have a seat, sweetie?
27:33No.
27:39I've got a series of pictures here.
27:41There's like six of them.
27:42Okay.
27:42If anybody jumps out at you, let me know, okay?
27:47Just look at each one of them.
27:48Take your time, okay?
28:08The guy I saw him.
28:10She picks out Kim Pelton.
28:14I'm sorry you had to go through this, okay?
28:22All right, hang on a minute.
28:25We got a positive ID by the victim's girlfriend.
28:28Freaking awesome.
28:29Yeah.
28:30Caleb's going to be good to go for murder.
28:3216 years old, what a waste.
28:34It's just crazy that somebody that theoretically has the entire life in front of him.
28:39I mean, I can't wait to hear the story behind it because, I don't know.
28:44It's a really sad situation.
28:48I've got people out there watching the apartment right now.
28:51Knock on the door.
28:52I know, but I want a search warrant in hand.
28:54Okay.
28:54That way, nothing's getting flushed down the toilet.
28:57Copy.
28:58It's going to take me just a minute.
29:02Two hours later...
29:03We're getting ready to execute a search warrant.
29:06...with a signed warrant in hand.
29:08Patrol's going to pull up and call him out.
29:11The team heads to Caleb's apartment.
29:27Tulsa police, search warrant.
29:29Come to the door, nothing in your hands.
29:33Tulsa police, search warrant.
29:35Come to the door, nothing in your hands.
29:37Tulsa police, search warrant.
29:39There's no answer.
29:41So detectives enter the apartment using a key they got from the manager.
29:48Is he in custody?
29:50No.
29:52Nobody there.
29:52They've packed up in a hurry.
29:54We'll search and see what we can find.
29:57While the team searches the apartment...
30:02Lansdowne gets ring doorbell video from the neighbor across the hall.
30:06The day of the murder, 6.39, they leave.
30:11The shooter, he's wearing a hoodie.
30:14And then at 7.24, they're coming back without the hoodie on.
30:23The sleeves are inside out on it.
30:25So somebody has shocked that real quickly.
30:40That's really good information.
30:42Oh, that's perfect.
30:47How are you?
30:47I'm good.
30:49So any evidence of any kind of a gun?
30:51I didn't see anything.
30:52All right.
30:57We'll get the warrant put out, and hopefully we'll get them found.
31:04A half hour later...
31:05We're going to run to go talk to Mom.
31:07I don't want to do it in person.
31:09White arranges to meet Fedro's mother.
31:13You can hop in.
31:15Sandra?
31:16It is good to meet you.
31:18Not on these circumstances, but yes.
31:20It's good news, okay?
31:22I know who the shooter is.
31:24His name is Caleb Pelton.
31:28What kind of questions do you have?
31:31I mean, do you know why?
31:35I'll be real with you.
31:36To me, it looks like a straight-up execution.
31:38I don't see anything that your son did that would have caused this kid to do what he did.
31:44Nothing.
31:45I want to know why.
31:47I mean, what?
31:48You didn't have to kill him.
31:49No.
31:51There's nothing that is going to justify this kid's...
31:54There's no explanation.
31:56How old do you think?
31:57The shooter is 16.
32:03It's sad to be a 16-year-old.
32:05Yes.
32:06And his family...
32:07His family.
32:08They're going to be hurting in a whole other way.
32:11So I'll bury my son tomorrow.
32:14So I'm glad to know that we can rest in knowing that we know who took my son.
32:19That's right.
32:20He was in my baby.
32:21Listen, I feel for your family.
32:24I really do.
32:25My baby was a good boy.
32:26I don't...
32:27I know he's a typical 18-year-old, but he...
32:30I never hung up the phone without him saying, I love you, Mama.
32:34Never.
32:37Thank you so much.
32:38I appreciate you.
32:39I really do.
32:40We'll be in touch.
32:41Okay.
32:45She seems like a really nice lady.
32:47She even said that, you know, she's got concerns for the family of the suspect.
32:53We're going to turn this over to the Warren Squad.
32:56We're going to try to find Caleb.
33:03A few days later...
33:05We had information that he was on the run and he was probably at his dad's house.
33:10The Warrens Squad gets a tip that Caleb is hiding out at his dad's house in Sacramento, California.
33:17They're working with authorities out there to try to get Caleb into custody.
33:21And we'll try to identify who the white kid is.
33:3018 days after Federer was shot and killed.
33:33Caleb Pelton has been placed in custody in California.
33:38He lawyered up.
33:40He's not interested in speaking.
33:42Oh, he has changed his appearance.
33:44White gets a photo of Caleb from the arresting officers.
33:48He's cut his hair and he's went on the run.
33:50Those are all elements of consciousness of guilt.
33:54And he'll be extradited back to Oklahoma and where he's going to face the consequences.
34:02We really got to find that white kid, identify him.
34:06Hopefully he can tell us why this happened.
34:09As it stands right now, mere presence alone does not raise to the level of him being arrested.
34:14But if he had knowledge that they were going there to do that, he's going to face the consequences.
34:20I'm going to put him out on the news and we're going to see what the good citizens of Tulsa
34:25tell us.
34:30Two days later.
34:33I'll start looking at this.
34:35Alrighty, bye.
34:36We got a Crimestoppers tip in.
34:39A tipster recognized the white suspect on the news.
34:44I just found him on Facebook.
34:48He looks like our kid.
34:50The second suspect is 18 years old.
34:53He lives in Broken Arrow.
34:55Perfect.
34:56Yeah, we're going to knock on the door.
34:57I'm going to go with you.
34:58Sure.
34:58I'll drive you.
35:01We're going to knock on the last known address for this kid.
35:05Hopefully we can take him downtown for an interview and we'll go from there.
35:19Hey, how are you, sir?
35:21The suspect's uncle answers the door.
35:23You know where he's at?
35:25No.
35:26You'd have to talk to his dad.
35:28What's his dad's name and number?
35:30White gets the father's cell phone number.
35:33I'm going to leave you with a card.
35:35In the event he shows up, it would be in his best interest to call me.
35:39All right?
35:40Thank you very much.
35:43I'm going to call his dad right quick before we leave.
35:45Let's see what Dan says.
35:51Hello?
35:52Hey, my name is Jason White.
35:54I'm a homicide detective with the Tulsa Police Department.
35:57And I was looking to speak to your son.
36:02My son?
36:03About what?
36:04About a homicide that he watched happen.
36:07If you look...
36:09Well, I figured you probably wouldn't.
36:11Your son didn't pull the trigger.
36:13Okay, so...
36:14But he was with him when he did it.
36:16Because I've got video of them both there when the murder happens.
36:22He was standing right next to the guy that shot it.
36:25Listen, bring him down.
36:28And I want him to tell me the truth.
36:33Okay.
36:34I'm sure he's going to tell you the truth.
36:37I'm sorry that this is happening.
36:39I'm very hurt right now, so...
36:41Oh, I...
36:41Listen, I'm a dad.
36:42I would be shocked right now.
36:45And I'm sure you are.
36:47I'm actually in tears right now, so...
36:49I'm going to stick him up and, uh...
36:52Head your way.
36:52Sounds good.
36:53Appreciate it, bye.
36:55The dad's freaking out.
36:57I'm sure he's concerned.
36:58If it was one of my kids.
36:59After I got done, my head exploding.
37:02I would hope.
37:03You're about to become a great witness, son.
37:05Yeah, that's like the rest of your life kind of trouble.
37:0820 minutes later.
37:12Okay.
37:15I'm glad we're here today.
37:17Okay.
37:19This is a freaking huge deal.
37:21I want you to tell me 100% of the truth.
37:23I just want the whole story.
37:38Tell me everything that happened.
37:43Earlier that day, me and Caleb, we smoked.
37:47And while we're going back, he says,
37:50Okay, I think I know this dude.
37:51He says, as he and Caleb were walking through the apartment complex,
37:55Caleb spotted the victim sitting under the gazebo.
37:58So we walked up, and the dude gave him handshake.
38:03Caleb doesn't give him handshake back, so then I kind of knew there was something going, like some tension.
38:09He asked, you know, somebody.
38:12I didn't hear the name.
38:13He says, yes.
38:15He was just kind of standing there.
38:17And he just saw him three times.
38:20And so I started running towards the tree.
38:24When we get back to the house, I was like, okay, I got to call somebody.
38:26He says they ran across the street to Caleb's apartment, and he called a friend to pick him up.
38:32You guys get back to the apartment.
38:33There has to be some discussion about what's up.
38:36The only thing he said was, like, did I tell you that?
38:39That was what happened.
38:39And I was like, nah.
38:41He asked me to pee on his hands.
38:43And I was like, not peeing on his hands.
38:45Why were you wondering?
38:46Something to do with gun residue or something.
38:49Okay.
38:50What did he do with the gun?
38:52I don't know. I lived.
38:55Okay, did you see him with the gun before you guys went over there?
38:58Did he ever tell you why?
39:02No.
39:04Why didn't you call the cops?
39:06You stand there and watch a murder like this, and you didn't call us.
39:14I really hope that this is going to be an opportunity for you to change everything in your life.
39:20I really do appreciate you coming down here.
39:25I think he's going to make for a pretty good witness.
39:28But the key to this kid is that that other kid is probably never going to speak to us.
39:33He's going to be able to say for sure, all right, he's the shooter.
39:37I wish I had some great answer to explain why he did what he did.
39:44It's incredibly disappointing.
39:46Phaedra's mother wants answers.
39:48And unfortunately, we're not able to give her those answers because the suspect in this particular case, he's not going
39:54to give a statement.
39:56My heart goes out for her from one parent to another.
40:00It's absolutely tragic.
40:02Something is broken with this young man.
40:05We see it time and time again.
40:07A lot of these kids are so quick to just grab a gun and handle it that way as opposed
40:11to trying to discuss things and do a little conflict resolution here.
40:15It drives you crazy. It really does.
40:17Because every one of these detectives is up here that has had a case very similar to this where you
40:23have some young person that just trashes their life.
40:26And trash is not only his, but many others that are going to be affected.
40:32This didn't need to happen.
40:34And it's a sad situation.
41:05It's a sad situation.
41:06From the moment we come home from the funeral, I lay the obituary at the table.
41:11And it's like, you still got a spot.
41:13Still has a place here.
41:15It's almost so surreal that sometimes you wonder, did this really happen?
41:24To this day, I don't know why my son was killed.
41:27If he would just tell me, why did you shoot him?
41:32What made you that angry that you would pull the trigger that many times and kill somebody?
41:41I think one of the hardest things I had was thinking about sending a child to prison for life.
41:47It was something that I struggled with.
41:50I tried to reach out to his mom while we were living at court.
41:53We both took a loss here.
41:55You know, you have a son that's gone away from life, and I have a son that I'll never see.
42:01If you look at all the deaths and murders that we've had, and see how many of them were juveniles,
42:06it's been a lot.
42:08We've got to do something.
42:10As parents, we are detectives in our house.
42:13We have to monitor what's going on.
42:15We have to teach our kids more about anger management, and teach them how to respond, how to react.
42:20If we don't do that, this will be a repeat in somebody else's family.
42:26You can't reverse that bullet that you just shot out.
42:29And I can probably almost count and bet that that young man that murdered my son is probably sitting there
42:34thinking,
42:34I probably could have handled that differently.
42:36you can also turn your dad down there.
42:36would have loved him anyway and make him feel so happy though. I really
42:40want to be super coconut. I really
42:41want to use it as a terrible idea of being on his skin and my skinner. I really
42:44just want some people who want you to get an explanation Ciao to me. That's
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