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Law And Order Toronto Criminal Intent S03E07
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00:00The following program is rated 14+, and contains scenes of violence, coarse language, and mature themes. Viewer discretion is
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00:15In Toronto's War on Crime, the worst offenders are pursued by the detectives of the Specialized Criminal Investigations Unit. These
00:23are their stories.
00:30I don't know what to say, or I'm gonna throw it all away. I feel like a zombie, I'll die
00:37at the party. And you'll find my body to be covered and contained. I try better than something.
00:44Come on, Ivy, stay for a little more something. No, Amy. Uh, seriously, I have to go. I've classed from
00:50Route 9.
00:51You're literally acing every course. You can take a morning off. Wait, something wrong? Is it Rob?
00:57No, I'm fine. Go staying. I'll see you at home. Go. Go.
01:02Okay. Can I close my tab?
01:05Sure. No whole lot of love tonight?
01:09What?
01:11No.
01:15Here.
01:17Rob, stop calling. I'm not at tempo.
01:22Ivy, if you're still feeling this way, maybe you should take a break. Go see your parents.
01:27So you think I should just run away from my problems?
01:31No. I think you need to manage your stress.
01:34Wait, you don't think this is real, do you?
01:37Look, I'm not living in some fantasy world, Dr. Nielsen.
01:39I didn't say that, Ivy.
01:41Come. Sit. Please.
01:47I think you should consider doing what's best for you in this situation.
01:51I know what's best for me.
01:54And I'm not going anywhere.
01:58Everyone's looking at this all wrong.
02:00I've done the tests.
02:01These wounds were made by something easily accessible.
02:04Um, a steak knife.
02:05A paring knife.
02:07So you think the killer was in the house with her, followed her up?
02:11Why?
02:11Is that what you think?
02:13Come on.
02:13Please, Ivy, help me out.
02:16Why would someone stab this woman seven times?
02:20Passion makes people do irrational things, Morris.
02:24And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time playing with knives.
02:30Okay, so what is it then?
02:31I want to possess you, be you, so I'm going to kill you?
02:37Hello?
02:38Uh, yes. Yes. Thank you for calling back.
02:41Uh, yeah. I can be there.
02:47Is that your, uh, mystery lead?
02:55You're sure that's what you heard?
02:57Yes.
02:58I am certain.
02:59Who else have you told about this?
03:01You're the first.
03:15Rob, what the hell are you doing?
03:16I just want to talk.
03:18You've been avoiding me.
03:20We've talked for months.
03:22You don't listen.
03:22We broke up.
03:24Okay, but what if I didn't want to?
03:30Hey, it's me.
03:31Great work.
03:32I just think that maybe our last chapter needs a bit more muscle.
03:36I mean, I know you're all about the subtlety and that's awesome,
03:39but I think that if we're going to make waves...
03:40We need to hit it harder.
03:42That's my thought anyway.
03:43I'll see you soon.
03:45Bye.
03:59Amy, are you home?
04:00I need to talk to you.
04:03Amy?
04:03Amy?
04:06Amy?
04:16I need to talk to you soon.
04:17Amy?
04:17Amy?
04:17Amy?
04:17Amy?
04:18Amy?
04:19Amy?
04:20Amy?
04:24Amy?
04:34¿Qué pasa?
04:54¿Qué es esto? ¿Qué es tu emergencia? ¿Hola?
05:39¿Qué es esto?
06:09No, no, no, no.
06:48No, no, no, no.
06:54No, no, no, no.
06:56No, no, no, no, no.
07:18No, no, no, no, no.
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08:32No, no, no, no, no, no.
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11:09No, no, no, no, no, no.
11:22No, no, no.
11:25No, no, no.
11:26No, no, no.
11:27Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
11:31Apparently she tried to report it, but her description of the guy was vague.
11:34And you know what they say about stalking.
11:36Yeah, it's homicide in slow motion.
11:38Finished Ivy Abbott's autopsy.
11:40The killer twisted the knife inside her neck almost 180 degrees.
11:44You sliced her carotid and her jugular?
11:46Yeah, she bled out quickly.
11:48I looked into those abrasions on her left hand.
11:51There's thin fibers embedded. I sent them for testing.
11:53Possibly clutching onto an object as a weapon when the keys failed?
11:57Maybe. I once tried to fend off a subway perv using a debit card.
12:01Yeah, I pretended chapstick was pepper spray. It actually worked.
12:05Our killer wasn't a stranger. He had a personal connection with her.
12:09Yeah, he either hated her or desired her.
12:11Maybe he even felt a whole lot of love.
12:14What's the name of the candle? Forensics just came back.
12:17Pinpointed a proprietary blend of cedar, cannabis, and Canadian wildflowers
12:21created by a Canadian company, Shy Wolf, I called him.
12:25And guess who bought 150 candles using their credit card online?
12:30Hope you have a reservation because we're totally booked tonight.
12:33Oh, I'm sure you could squeeze this in for, I don't know,
12:36five minutes and 33 seconds?
12:38There's no time to do a hearty rendition of a whole lot of love.
12:43Carter Harold, right? That's you?
12:45Yeah?
12:45Well, it seems recently you've bought a whole lot of these candles.
12:50It's very expensive to just leave them all in Ivy Abbott's backyard.
13:03Come on, Carter. That's enough.
13:05I didn't kill Ivy, I swear.
13:09You sure?
13:11Because you were stalking her.
13:14Okay, I left the candles on the night she died, on all those nights.
13:17But I just wanted...
13:18Wanted to what? Be your own personal boogeyman?
13:21No, I wanted her to know that I cared about her.
13:23The candles, they were a message.
13:25They were named after a song we sang together.
13:27You telling me a 20-year-old sang Led Zeppelin at karaoke?
13:31Not exactly.
13:32Um, I was in a room on my own one night.
13:35But then I heard a voice in the hall joining in.
13:37I looked out and saw...
13:40her.
13:41And you got hooked?
13:44You pulled her address off her ID, went to her house,
13:46started taking photos, lighting candles.
13:49But you needed her to know how I felt.
13:50What about how she felt?
13:52I'm pretty sure you terrified her every single time!
13:56See, I'm pretty new to this, so forgive me.
14:00But you want us to believe that you trespassed onto her property,
14:04peeked through our windows,
14:06and took some pretty intrusive photos of her.
14:09But then you didn't follow her to a deserted area,
14:12stab her in the neck and in the back?
14:15Carter, what did Ivy do when she saw the candles?
14:22Answer the question.
14:24We ran away, okay?
14:27She obviously didn't like them.
14:28Shocker.
14:29Oh, I left.
14:30I went to work the late shift at the bar.
14:33Checked the cameras.
14:33I was there by 11.15.
14:35I will.
14:36Honestly, I wish I'd followed her.
14:37I could have helped her.
14:39Well, maybe it's not too late to help.
14:42You followed her around, right?
14:44Yeah.
14:44What was she up to?
14:47She was spending way too much time at that criminology building.
14:50She had classes there.
14:51No, it's not just class.
14:52It's something else.
14:55Every day she goes to some weird locked room
14:57that only a few people had a key to.
15:00What's inside?
15:02I don't know, but I think it's bad for her.
15:06Very bad.
15:11Let me know when you're done.
15:17Well, looks like a bunch of true crime nerds made a nest.
15:21Poor Cold Case Club.
15:24They're doing a seminar supervised by Professor Garrett Poole.
15:28What's the case?
15:29A victim was Kat Berman, murdered in 2019.
15:34A student at Queen's University.
15:36She was stabbed once in the neck.
15:39Six times.
15:41In the back.
15:43Exactly like Ivy.
15:52So, Ivy Abbott was studying Kat Berman's murder
15:55and ends up getting killed in exactly the same way?
15:59Down to the twist of the knife.
16:01Take a look at Ivy's autopsy and Kat's autopsy from six years ago.
16:06Their fatal neck wounds were caused by the exact same maneuver.
16:09Followed by six stabs to the back.
16:11The only difference was the marks on the hand.
16:14Ivy had them, Kat did not.
16:16You talked to Kingston PD?
16:18Yeah, they gave us access to Kat's file,
16:20but they haven't had a new lead in forever.
16:22So, now we have two dead students, similar ages, same wounds.
16:27Yeah, we might be looking at a serial murderer.
16:29Or a copycat who knew the wound pattern well.
16:33Maybe because they studied at a Cold Case Club.
16:40Ivy was an excellent student.
16:42Sorry for your loss, Professor Poole.
16:44The provost told us she was in your Cold Case Club.
16:46Yeah, one of only ten kids selected.
16:49Yes, it was an invitation-only criminology seminar
16:52for third-year students, and Ivy was...
16:54Yeah, she was doing incredibly well.
16:56They all were.
16:57So, you thought your best and brightest
16:59could solve Kat Berman's murder?
17:01That stumped the Kingston PD?
17:05It's more of a teaching exercise.
17:07So, you take an unsolvable case
17:10and give it to a bunch of smart kids.
17:12And see what they do with it.
17:15They each bring their own expertise,
17:17their own point of view.
17:18It's fascinating.
17:19And what was Ivy's angle?
17:22Interpreting witness testimony.
17:24Hmm.
17:25And what if a student discovers a lead?
17:29Well, then I would take it to the Cold Case Unit,
17:31but I've been using this one for a couple years now,
17:34and so far there are no new leads.
17:37But Ivy wanted to find one, yeah.
17:39We heard she spent quite a lot of time
17:41in the seminar room after hours.
17:44Yes, they all did.
17:45I told them they'd get top marks if they solved it,
17:47and they couldn't take the files home.
17:49Did those files include...
18:04uh...
18:06Yes, Morris LeMay.
18:08He's an aspiring forensic pathologist.
18:11He was trying to recreate Cat Berman's wounds
18:12using various...
18:14unique methods.
18:17Many budding pathologists practice
18:19replicating knife wounds.
18:21It's not weird.
18:24So, does everyone work on Miss Piggy?
18:27Well, they should.
18:28The consistency of pig flesh is very close to human.
18:31Well, funny, that's why we're here.
18:32Morris, where were you the night Ivy died?
18:34I didn't kill Ivy.
18:35I was with my parents, here, all night.
18:37You can ask them.
18:40What's on your mind?
18:41If only I'd moved faster, done better.
18:44Could have found out who really did this,
18:45and Ivy would still be alive.
18:47Do you think Cat's killer murdered Ivy?
18:49Isn't it obvious?
18:50Ivy probably figured out who did it.
18:53Call yourself a detective.
18:57Professor Poole says that there were no new leads.
19:00Yeah, well, Poole doesn't know everything.
19:01Ivy finished reviewing witness testimony
19:03and moved on to something
19:04that wasn't even assigned to her.
19:06Something that no one was allowed to do.
19:08Interviewing real witnesses.
19:10How'd you know?
19:11Well, that's exactly what he would have done.
19:13So, what was Ivy's strategy?
19:15Ivy was really into victimology.
19:18In particular, victim facilitation.
19:20You know, the theory of what makes someone a target.
19:22But nothing in the witness testimony
19:23made it seem like Cat was a high-risk victim.
19:25She went to work and to school.
19:27So Ivy wanted to know how the killer came into Cat's orbit.
19:30Yeah.
19:31Ivy figured the perp was either an unassuming random stalker.
19:34Or someone Cat didn't want anyone else to know about.
19:38Did Ivy find any new leads?
19:40She went to meet a witness the day she died.
19:43I saw the address she wrote down before she left.
19:49Yes, Ivy Abbott came by here at 6 p.m.
19:53We chatted.
19:54She left.
19:54I was here till 12.
19:55I didn't even know her.
19:57But Ivy thought that you might know Cat Berman.
20:00Barely.
20:01I used to deliver pizzas to Cat.
20:03And where was this?
20:04Six years ago, I was living in Kingston with my aunt.
20:06And on the weekend, I delivered pizzas for a place called Max Doe.
20:09And Ivy knew you were delivering pizzas to Cat?
20:12She saw a photo of our pizza box in Cat's recycling.
20:15Part of the case files, I guess.
20:16And Ivy wanted to know if you ever saw anyone with Cat on the weekends.
20:20Yes.
20:21And there was a guy there with her sometimes.
20:23Definitely a boyfriend.
20:24Mr. Damien.
20:25Did you ever see a face, get a name?
20:28No, but I heard his voice.
20:29He was annoying.
20:30Told the same story over and over.
20:32So our pizza box was red, right?
20:34Every time Cat took it inside,
20:36he would make a comment on how it was the exact same color of his fancy cottage in Newfoundland.
20:42So when I told Ivy about it, she got really tense.
20:45Said she needed to talk to her professor right away.
20:47Hmm.
20:48Fine.
20:49He didn't tell us that.
20:56Morris, what are you doing here?
20:58I, uh, came to grab some of my research.
21:00Well, you won't need it.
21:01Out of respect for Ivy, I'm canceling this seminar for good.
21:05But what about our grades?
21:07Is that all you can think about?
21:08Your grades?
21:10What kind of question is that, man?
21:12What's wrong with you?
21:16Uh, I'm sorry.
21:18You're right.
21:19Hang on.
21:20Hang on.
21:20I'm sorry.
21:21It's, um, marks will be determined based on the work that's already been submitted.
21:26You're okay.
21:27Don't worry.
21:30So you've never heard of Damien Haku?
21:33No, Ivy never mentioned meeting anyone named Damien Haku.
21:37And I would never condone her reaching out to a stranger about the cold case.
21:42Really?
21:43Because Damien told us that Ivy's first priority was to report back to you about a new suspect.
21:50Well, she may have sent an email.
21:52Maybe it ended up in my junk box.
21:54I don't know.
21:55My inbox is a mess.
21:56I haven't had time to go through.
21:57Sorry, this is the first new clue in years, and you haven't had time?
22:01I'm saying I didn't know there was a new clue.
22:04Okay.
22:04Well, that's all right.
22:05You know what?
22:05We can fill you in.
22:06Uh, so, Ivy found out that Kat had a secret boyfriend.
22:10Now, we don't know his name.
22:12Oh, but we do know that he owns some pretty stunning property.
22:17Yeah, a red cottage in Newfoundland.
22:19Kind of like this one.
22:25Were you dating Kat Berman, Professor Poole?
22:28And what did you do when Ivy found out?
22:33We know he took a sabbatical from Osler in 2019,
22:37moved to Kingston to write a book on the penitentiary.
22:40Same here, Kat was killed.
22:41Yeah, Kat worked in a library that housed some of the penitentiary archives.
22:44They might have met there.
22:46We haven't confirmed it, but after Kat was killed,
22:49Garrett Poole went back home and eventually started a cold case club.
22:52It's possible he was simply interested in the case.
22:55They lived in the same city.
22:56Maybe you read about it in the newspaper.
22:58Yeah, except that now we're thinking that he was sleeping with Kat.
23:00So he's either obsessed with the woman he loved.
23:03Or he's a murdering narcissist who's spent the last three years daring his students to catch him.
23:12Who the hell are we dealing with?
23:14We're about to find out.
23:21Yes, I was sleeping with Kat Berman in 2019.
23:24Our relationship has nothing to do with her murder.
23:27I didn't kill her.
23:28I loved her.
23:29You used her murder as fodder for a university class.
23:33I want to solve the case.
23:34So did Ivy.
23:35And from the looks of it, she got dangerously close to the truth.
23:39We got a warrant to search your communication.
23:42And you were not lying about your inbox being a mess.
23:46But we found this in your trash.
23:50What is this?
23:51Ivy's email?
23:52Well, the one that you couldn't find.
23:54It was sent the night she was killed.
23:56But forgive me, I left my glasses on my desk.
24:00Perhaps you could read it out to us.
24:08I know you were dating Kat.
24:14This isn't what it looks like.
24:16Come on.
24:16No, because you deleted a very clear message from Ivy
24:20that would give you a very clear motive for murder.
24:23And let's face it, it might be easier just to get rid of her
24:26than to have to track down and destroy 2,000 copies of a book
24:30with a very damning detail on it.
24:33I did not kill Ivy out of some kind of self-preservation
24:37because I did not kill Kat.
24:39Do you understand?
24:40Then why would you lie to us?
24:42Do you have any idea how difficult it is
24:44to be a male professor these days?
24:50I did not want the fact
24:52that I slept with Kat to get out, okay?
24:54It's not because I killed her.
24:55It's because I would be ruined.
24:57I'd be canceled.
24:58I would lose everything.
24:59Yeah, but Ivy still knew.
25:02So what'd you do?
25:05Go after her?
25:06Yeah, your office is very, very close to where she was killed.
25:09Yeah, but I wasn't at my office.
25:10Where were you?
25:11I was with a colleague at her office.
25:13Who?
25:13Sarah Nielsen.
25:15I'm working with her on my new book.
25:17I was with her from 9.30 to midnight.
25:20Sarah Nielsen, the campus therapist.
25:22Did you know that Sarah was treating Ivy?
25:27I mean...
25:32Yes.
25:33How?
25:36Because I introduced them.
25:40Do you handpick all your students' therapists?
25:46Maybe you got your pal to talk to Ivy for the same reason you trashed that email.
25:52Because you didn't want the world to know that you and Ivy were also in a sexual relationship.
25:58Yeah, that would make you two for two.
26:00That's two relationships, two students.
26:03Both, Dad.
26:05Ivy never told me that she and Garrett Poole were sleeping together.
26:08I'd have to report that.
26:09Even though you're friends.
26:11Ethics that way friendship detectives, so do morals.
26:14And the night Ivy was killed.
26:16Well, Garrett was with me in my office till well after midnight.
26:19We were working on his new book.
26:21Whatever was happening with Ivy, Garrett's telling the truth about that night.
26:25Hey, that's helpful, sir. Thank you.
26:29Did forensics come back on those fibers in Ivy's hand?
26:32I was just about to call you.
26:33They're from a cord used in retractable keycard fobs.
26:37What? Like the one Poole used to let us into his office?
26:40It looked long enough to wrap around Ivy's hand and cause rope burn.
26:44I knew we shouldn't have let him go.
26:45Now, the man had an alibi. It was verified.
26:48But if you find the cord, I can test it for Ivy's DNA.
26:52Thanks, Lucy. Stand by.
26:55Okay, you two. We need to be very strategic here because whether or not there's DNA on that cord...
27:01Poole's alibi still stands.
27:03However, in my experience, even the most bulletproof of alibis will weaken when faced with a fear of obstructing justice.
27:10So if we tell ethical, moral Sarah that we've got something against Poole, she might bend.
27:16And if you gild the lily by showing her a little more of the horror of the crime she's covering
27:22up...
27:23...whom she might break.
27:25Can you, uh, put a spin team on Poole?
27:28Nothing I'd rather do. Go break that alibi.
27:33Garrett.
27:35Thank God they've released you. You okay?
27:37Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine.
27:40Thanks for talking to the cops. You're a lifesaver.
27:45Um...
27:46Garrett.
27:48Yeah?
27:48Is there anything that you want to tell me?
27:51About what?
27:52About Ivy.
27:55Garrett, I just lied for you.
27:57Hey.
28:00You know I didn't hurt her.
28:02Right?
28:03You know that.
28:05Of course you didn't.
28:06But...
28:07But nothing.
28:08Why should we give some myopic cops any window of opportunity to pin this on me?
28:13I left your office. I was out walking around the campus.
28:16Just...
28:17Just processing all these great ideas that you had for the last chapter, you know?
28:23You're amazing. You know that, right?
28:25Oh, stop.
28:26God, I'm so lucky to have you.
28:29What do you mean?
28:31I mean...
28:32You're loyal, and you're...
28:35You're faithful, and...
28:38You're so smart.
28:40It's just pure.
28:42There's no silliness.
28:44There's no messy feelings getting in the way.
28:52Why are you showing me these?
28:54Because we believe your friend, Garrett Poole, did that to Ivy Evans.
28:58That's...
28:59That's impossible.
29:00I told you that we were together.
29:01It's amazing what people will do to protect a friend.
29:09What do you have in your pocket?
29:11Come on, show me.
29:17Okay, so...
29:18You're by yourself.
29:19It's nighttime.
29:21Someone's following you.
29:23Out of all of this, what do you use to defend yourself?
29:27So, if they have a knife, you have a pen.
29:32I mean, compared to you, right now, Ivy was lucky.
29:35She had her keys on her.
29:37Intertwined them between her fingers, in the hope that she could take a swing and then run.
29:42But she didn't.
29:42Because someone stabbed her in the side of the neck before she got the chance.
29:47Why would Garrett do this?
29:49Well, Ivy learned that there was another student he was involved with who also wound up dead.
29:55Kat Berman, six years ago.
29:56There were more.
29:58I knew about Ivy.
29:59Well, you knew that Paul was sleeping with Ivy.
30:03Why are you wasting our time?
30:06Okay.
30:09Ivy told me.
30:10I was horrified, but I couldn't always trust what she said.
30:14I told her it wasn't appropriate, and she told me that she was too scared to break up with him.
30:19Now, I could never imagine Garrett threatening a woman.
30:22Oh, this looks more than a threat, doesn't it?
30:26Garrett wouldn't hurt anyone.
30:28Come on, Sarah.
30:29Predators don't just hide in the shadows.
30:32They are in nice offices, in nice homes, in positions of power.
30:37And you are enabling her.
30:41Why?
30:43I didn't want Garrett to be ruined.
30:46What if Garrett was telling the truth?
30:48What if Ivy was lying?
30:51But she wasn't, so don't lie for him.
31:01Garrett was in my office with me until 11 p.m.
31:07I'm sorry.
31:08I never thought that he could do something like this.
31:11So when he asked me to say that we were together until midnight,
31:16I said okay.
31:19Detectives, a word?
31:23Spin team just called.
31:24Poole is on move.
31:25He's got a suitcase with him.
31:27I'll deal with Sarah.
31:28You go.
31:35There he is.
31:36We need his key fob.
31:39Dr. Poole!
31:41Garrett Poole!
31:42Police!
31:43Stop!
31:47What the hell is going on here?
31:49I didn't do anything.
31:50We'll see about that.
31:51Garrett Poole, you're under arrest for the murder of Ivy Abbott.
32:03I was headed to Union Station.
32:05I'm catching a train to go to Hudson Valley to see a friend.
32:08I'm not guilty of anything.
32:10Well, the jury's out on that.
32:12But we'll have a clearer picture once forensics comes back with the key fob.
32:16You see, we believe it was the last thing that Ivy Abbott grabbed for before she died.
32:20You knew it was only a matter of time before Ivy outed you as Kat's killer, so you got rid
32:27of her to save yourself.
32:28I didn't kill Ivy.
32:29I didn't kill Kat.
32:30I told you.
32:31I love them.
32:32Both of them.
32:32You preyed on two young students, and both have ended up dead.
32:38Is that the results?
32:39The DNA test?
32:40What does it say?
32:42What does it say?
32:49Negative for Ivy's DNA.
32:51Yeah, I told you.
32:52I told you.
32:53I didn't kill anyone.
32:54Then why did you ask a colleague to fabricate an alibi for you?
32:58I didn't ask her to do that.
33:00It was her idea.
33:02So, she just came up with this whole plan all by herself.
33:06Why?
33:07Sarah is a friend.
33:09Okay?
33:09She's a close friend.
33:11She adores me.
33:12She'd do anything for me.
33:13So, when we found out that Ivy was killed, a student we both knew, Sarah suggested that
33:19we just say that we were together, you know, just to keep things tidy.
33:24So, one more time.
33:26Where were you?
33:27At 11 o'clock, I went out for a walk, and Sarah stayed behind and worked on my edits.
33:37Leaving you both alone and unaccounted for at the time of Ivy Abbott's murder.
33:43Let's get Sarah's interview up.
33:45Yep.
33:45I'm on it.
33:49What do you have in your pockets?
33:52I'll show you.
33:54Hmm.
33:55Okay, so, you're alone.
33:57It's nighttime.
34:05The white key card.
34:07It's not the official blue one the rest of the staff have.
34:10It's temporary.
34:11And she tried to hide it.
34:12Which means she got rid of her official card and the fob that went with it.
34:16And as Poole said, she adores him.
34:20She'd do anything to help him.
34:23Sarah Nielsen was inside Ivy's head.
34:25Yeah, she knew she could kill Ivy and point the finger at any number of people in Ivy's life.
34:30Even pointed you two toward a stalker.
34:32And all the while, she was covering for Poole, which also gave herself an alibi.
34:36That's some fancy footwork.
34:37But then, for some reason, she decided to throw Poole under the bus.
34:41Why?
34:42Well, because we offered him up as a patsy.
34:44And if Sarah's smart, the only piece of hard evidence that we hope to test is long gone.
34:50Finding that fob wouldn't help.
34:53I'm Sarah's defense lawyer.
34:54First thing I'd say, everyone at Osler has that fob.
34:5930,000 people could be your killer.
35:00I like this game.
35:02Okay.
35:03Well, what would you say if I said to you, your client has no alibi?
35:06She was in her office.
35:08Working.
35:09The therapist's offices don't have cameras.
35:11I checked.
35:12Thank you, counsel.
35:13But I have the floor.
35:14Oh.
35:15Hmm.
35:16You don't have my client's prints on the murder weapon because you don't have a murder weapon.
35:21No sign of her on CCTV.
35:23At least not a recognizable Sarah.
35:24Okay, but what is a recognizable Sarah?
35:27The woman is a cipher.
35:29I don't think I've seen the real Sarah this entire time.
35:32This, this could be the real Sarah.
35:35Now, this is Poole's one big book, right?
35:37Got him tenure.
35:38But it doesn't read like his earlier papers.
35:41Listen to this language.
35:42Which is Anna Freud posited in 1936.
35:44Defense mechanisms operate unconsciously to protect the ego.
35:48Repression, rejection, sublimation, displacement.
35:50Sigmund Freud swung at these conditions with a hammer.
35:54But Anna Freud believed in time, layers, and patience.
35:57She unpacked these emotions with care.
35:59And painted them with a watercolor brush.
36:03That's exactly what Sarah said just when we first met.
36:06You think that's her research?
36:08And she gave it all to Poole?
36:09Romantic, isn't it?
36:10It certainly is.
36:12And that's how we break her.
36:15Thanks for meeting me here, Sarah.
36:18How are you feeling?
36:20I'm a little stunned.
36:21I, I can't believe that Garrett said it was my idea to lie about his alibi.
36:25Yeah, well, we saw right through that.
36:27Well, I'm just glad that you caught him.
36:29Yeah.
36:30But it's not over yet.
36:32We still have to put him behind bars.
36:34And there are aspects of both Ivy and Kat's cases that we just still don't understand.
36:42So I'm hoping you can help.
36:44Well, I don't know Kat.
36:45Oh, that's okay.
36:46I mean, Kat's murder was almost exactly like Ivy's.
36:49And, you know, Ivy, you know Garrett.
36:51I mean, you're the expert here, not me.
36:53I mean, I'm, I'm so curious about your perspective.
36:55I, I've already told you everything I know.
36:59Facts.
37:00Yeah, but I'm looking for feelings.
37:02And you were practically inside their heads.
37:05I mean, you were Ivy's therapist and Garrett's muse.
37:09What do you mean, Garrett's muse?
37:13Oh, Sarah, I, I read his book.
37:16Those chapters on defense mechanisms, impulsivity, emotional dysregulation.
37:21That was all you.
37:23No, no, no, no, no, no.
37:24It wasn't all me.
37:25We worked, we worked together.
37:26On your ideas?
37:27Well, I wanted to help him.
37:29Yeah.
37:29Like you helped him with his alibi?
37:34Hey, it's okay.
37:35I know it's not your fault.
37:37I think that Garrett was able to get away with these murders
37:40because he manipulated his victims, you included.
37:44This guy was very careful.
37:46No, no, there's careful and then there's controlling.
37:48What do you mean?
37:50Well, Ivy mentioned that Garrett asked to track her phone.
37:53That's why she was so scared.
37:54Wow.
37:55He liked to lead in relationships, to have the upper hand.
37:57Oh, was he like that with you too, in your relationship?
38:01Well, Garrett and I are, we're just friends.
38:05Really?
38:07Sarah, come on.
38:08I can tell when a woman is in love.
38:12Garrett knew how you felt and he took advantage of that?
38:16What are you suggesting?
38:17That I'm weak?
38:18No, God, no.
38:20No, I've, uh...
38:23I've been there myself.
38:25Huh.
38:26My rookie year, I fell absolutely head over heels.
38:30With a guy that I worked with.
38:32I became obsessed.
38:34I memorized his schedule.
38:36I followed him around.
38:37I would make excuses to work together.
38:39Did he like you back?
38:41He liked my work.
38:43He liked it so much that sometimes he would claim it as his own.
38:50Hmm.
38:52Yeah.
38:52Eventually he did, um...
38:54He did want more than just my work.
38:56So he did like you back?
38:57Mm-hmm.
38:58Yeah.
38:59But, uh, he didn't like me enough to get serious.
39:02Because, uh, it turns out he was married the entire time.
39:07Oh.
39:08And I wanted a kid.
39:10I wanted a family.
39:12That's terrible.
39:13At least Garrett isn't married.
39:16Huh.
39:17No.
39:19No.
39:20He is otherwise engaged.
39:21He spends his time on frivolous things, but gives you just enough to hang on.
39:27Kind words, empty promises, and all the while, your time marches on.
39:31Your window is closing.
39:33I have always had feelings for Garrett.
39:35Mm-hmm.
39:36But he...
39:37He said that we shouldn't cross the line, that we're colleagues.
39:41But he crosses the line with his students.
39:43But that's none of my business, and I have accepted that we are just friends.
39:47No, friends don't steal their friends' work.
39:49Friends don't use their friends to try to cover up their affairs with students.
39:54And friends don't blame their friends for their crimes.
40:00Or maybe they do.
40:03See, I think you might be doing exactly that to Garrett.
40:08What are you talking about?
40:10Sarah, how would you define projection?
40:14It's when someone attributes their own undesirable feelings, thoughts, and behaviors to somebody else.
40:19Okay, so like when you suggested that Ivy was borderline with a touch of paranoid personality disorder,
40:25and intense emotions, fear of abandonment, impulsivity, delusions...
40:30I am not delusional, Detective, and I... I actually... I've done nothing but try to help you.
40:36Yeah.
40:37Well, you've been very helpful.
40:39When you wanted me to trust you, and like you, you told me everything I wanted to hear.
40:44But I've read your notes, and I made some of my own,
40:47and I think all those things you were saying about Ivy,
40:53you were really talking about yourself.
40:57Sarah, stop.
40:58No, no, no, no, no, no.
40:59I'm done here.
41:00From the moment that I walked into that office, you've been trying to manipulate me.
41:03And now you are trying to turn the tables with anger and contempt, and it's not gonna work.
41:08Was that your attempt at empathizing in there?
41:10At relating?
41:11God, you are so out of your depth.
41:13You should be embarrassed.
41:14See, you're projecting again.
41:15You've been carrying a torch for that man for ten years.
41:19Ten years of him stealing your work, tossing you scraps while he screws his students.
41:25And you know it's shameful, and you still can't stop.
41:28I don't need Garrett.
41:29No, you don't, but you want him.
41:31You want him fully and forever, and you know he wants you, too.
41:34You just needed a little nudge.
41:36You know that one day he is gonna wake up and look at you and see what is right in
41:41front
41:41of him what's been here all along.
41:43You just needed those girls to get out of the way.
41:46They're baubles.
41:47They're trinkets.
41:49You.
41:50You are the real thing.
41:53So you stabbed Kat outside her house.
41:57You tracked Ivy's phone, and you killed her.
42:00No, no.
42:00You have no proof.
42:01I know that you threw away your key card.
42:04And Ivy was smart.
42:06She grabbed it, didn't she?
42:07As she was dying, because in her last moment, she wanted to leave a trace.
42:11Someone stop her.
42:12Someone please stop this monster.
42:14Ivy was a child, okay?
42:16An idiotic fool.
42:17And she thought that Garrett was gonna, what, leave his job and marry her?
42:21I tried to play nice.
42:22How?
42:23I told her to leave.
42:24I said, leave town.
42:25But she stuck around.
42:27She didn't listen.
42:27Garrett didn't listen either?
42:28No, he never does.
42:29I don't know what I have to do.
42:31And that's why you threw him under the bus.
42:32To make him listen.
42:33To make him yours.
42:35Yes.
42:36Yes, because then it would finally be me and him, and I would stand by him, and I would visit
42:41him.
42:42And, and when he got out of prison, he would know who, he would know who really loved him.
42:52I wonder if he's gonna visit you.
43:09Are you okay?
43:12Yeah.
43:13I think I used a bit more hammer than I did watercolor.
43:17Well, whatever the tool, you still painted our killer into a corner.
43:24It's never easy to corner another woman.
43:26It's never easy to manage the nhân.
43:35I know.
43:43I know.
44:00Gracias por ver el video.
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