#video #Law And Order Toronto Criminal Intent S03E07
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00:00The following program is rated 14-plus and contains scenes of violence, coarse language, and mature themes. Viewer discretion is
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00:15In Toronto's War on Crime, the worst offenders are pursued by the detectives of the Specialized Criminal Investigations Unit. These
00:23are their stories.
00:30I don't know what to say, I want to throw it all away.
00:34I feel like a zombie, I'll die at the party.
00:39And you'll find my body fully covered in the day.
00:43My eyes are bad at the time.
00:44Come on, Ivy, stay for a little more something.
00:47No, Amy.
00:48Uh, seriously, I have to go.
00:49I have class from Route 9.
00:51You're literally acing every chorus. You can take a morning off.
00:54Wait, something wrong?
00:56Is it Rob?
00:57No, I'm fine.
00:59Go sing, I'll see you at home.
01:00Go.
01:01Go.
01:02Okay.
01:03Uh, can I close my tab?
01:05Sure.
01:07No whole lot of love tonight?
01:09What?
01:11Ellie.
01:15There.
01:17Rob, stop calling, I'm not at tempo.
01:22Ivy, if you're still feeling this way, maybe you should take a break.
01:26Go see your parents.
01:27So you think I should just run away from my problems?
01:30No.
01:31I think you need to manage your stress.
01:33Wait, you don't think this is real, do you?
01:37Look, I'm not living in some fantasy world, Dr. Nielsen.
01:39I didn't say that, Ivy.
01:41Come.
01:42Sit.
01:43Please.
01:47I think you should consider doing what's best for you in this situation.
01:51I know what's best for me.
01:54And I'm not going anywhere.
01:58Everyone's looking at this all wrong.
02:00I've done the tests.
02:01These wounds were made by something easily accessible.
02:04Um, a steak knife.
02:05A paring knife.
02:06So you think the killer was in the house with her, followed her up?
02:10Why?
02:11Is that what you think?
02:13Come on.
02:14Please, Ivy, help me out.
02:16Why would someone stab this woman seven times?
02:20Passion makes people do irrational things, Morris.
02:24And you'd know that if you didn't spend all your time playing with knives.
02:30Okay, so what is it then?
02:31I want to possess you, be you, so I'm gonna kill you?
02:37Hello?
02:38Uh, yes.
02:39Yes, thank you for calling back.
02:41Uh, yeah, I can be there.
02:47Is that your, uh, mystery lead?
02:55Uh, you're sure that's what you heard?
02:57Yes.
02:58I am certain.
02:59Who else have you told about this?
03:01You're the first.
03:15Rob, what the hell are you doing?
03:16I, I just want to talk.
03:18You've been avoiding me.
03:20We've talked for months.
03:21You don't listen.
03:22We broke up.
03:24Okay, but, what if I didn't want to?
03:30Hey, it's me.
03:31Great work.
03:32I just think that maybe our last chapter needs a bit more muscle.
03:36I mean, I know you're all about the subtlety and that's awesome,
03:39but I think that if we're gonna make waves...
03:40We need to hit it harder.
03:42That's my thought, anyway.
03:43I'll see you soon.
03:59Amy?
03:59Amy?
04:00Are you home?
04:00I need to talk to you.
04:03Amy?
04:03Amy?
04:04Amy?
04:10Amy?
04:14Amy?
04:16Amy?
04:33I'm on the way to campus to find you.
04:35Call me as soon as...
04:40Amy?
04:47I'm on the way to campus to find you.
04:50Amy?
04:51Amy?
04:51Amy?
04:52Amy?
04:53Amy?
04:53Hello?
04:53Campus services?
04:54What is your emergency?
04:56Hello?
04:57Be careful?
04:57No!
04:58No!
04:59No!
04:59No!
05:10No!
05:12No!
05:14No!
05:15There!
05:18I'm not serious.
05:19No!
05:20No!
05:22No!
05:22No.
05:26No!
05:36Campus Security got a call from this phone at 11.22, but there was nobody on the line.
05:40They sent somebody at 11.30 thinking it was a prank.
05:44No such luck.
05:46Well, Ivy Abbott, 20 years old.
05:48Dean says she's a third-year criminology major.
05:51She's got a 4.0 GPA.
05:53Smart kid.
05:55You ain't talked to the parents yet?
05:56Yeah, they're both academics.
05:58They're in Edinburgh for a year.
05:59They're flying back today.
06:01Ivy was their only kid.
06:03So, what sent Ivy Abbott to an emergency phone in the middle of the night?
06:08Well, her cell phone died.
06:10Uh, here.
06:13See if it'll charge.
06:14Oh, great. Thanks.
06:18I wonder if someone was following her.
06:21Well, these indentations between her fingers.
06:24Could be she tried to arm herself.
06:25Maybe with her keys for protection.
06:28Okay, so she runs to the phone to call for help, but the killer stabs her in the neck and
06:34then drags her and flips her over.
06:38Keep stabbing.
06:40The wound to her neck would have been fatal.
06:42Six stabs on her back.
06:44That was anger.
06:45This was personal.
06:47You found the weapon?
06:48Uh, no.
06:49Nothing yet.
06:51Anything on her person that could account for this?
06:54It looks like rope burn.
06:55No, we just found her wallet, keys, and her phone.
06:58Oh, it's charged.
07:00Thanks.
07:04Hey.
07:06What do you mean you're too scared to stay home?
07:09Call me.
07:17Ivy said she was coming back to our apartment.
07:19I was studying on campus till midnight.
07:22My phone was on Do Not Disturb when I got Ivy's voicemail.
07:27I texted her and she didn't respond.
07:29I ran home and I found this.
07:32I tried to blow them all up, but there were so many.
07:35Amy, is there anyone we can call?
07:37Can I text my mom?
07:39Of course.
07:49Amy, has anything like this happened before?
07:52The first time there were just a couple of candles, then a few more.
07:56It's the third time.
07:57Ivy must have been so scared.
08:02Do you have any idea who might have done this?
08:04Yeah, I figured it was Rob, Ivy's ex.
08:07It started a couple months ago when they broke up.
08:10Did Ivy ever inform the police?
08:12She tried.
08:13The cop at the station said that it's not a crime to leave something outside of someone's house.
08:19No, sweetheart, I'm so sorry to hear that.
08:21Do you think this was some grand gesture to try to get Ivy back?
08:26Yeah, we tried every other way.
08:27Yeah, constant calling, texting, guys unhinged.
08:32Wait, you think I did something to Ivy?
08:35No, no, I would never hurt her.
08:37Well, what do you know about this, huh?
08:39It's got quite the distinctive scent.
08:43Cedar, cannabis, Canadian wildflowers, and a hundred of these were left on Ivy's patio last night.
08:48It's crazy.
08:49Where were you last night, Rob?
08:52I was at the Madison.
08:52Got there at like 10 p.m. with a few buddies, stayed until, I don't know, 1.30.
08:57Came back here with Kaylee.
08:59She just left.
09:00Kaylee?
09:02I've been trying to see new people, get over Ivy.
09:05Best six months of my life were with her.
09:07So why did you break up?
09:08I don't know.
09:10She just pulled away.
09:11She broke up with me.
09:12She wouldn't tell me why.
09:14She shut down her social media, started to go into therapy, which I thought was weird.
09:18I mean, she never wanted to talk about her feelings before.
09:21Who's your therapist?
09:23Someone on campus.
09:25Sarah something.
09:30Ivy and I met four times in the last few months.
09:33She was a great student, good kid.
09:37And she needed someone to talk to.
09:40Yes.
09:40She was stressed, anxious.
09:43Did this anxiety have anything to do with unwanted attention?
09:48A lot of female students seek out guidance regarding harassment, detective, and unfortunately, Ivy was no different.
09:54Look, I wouldn't normally do this, but...
10:01You can have my notes.
10:03They might help.
10:05Ivy was convinced that someone was following her.
10:08She said that they left things outside of her apartment, lurking near her place.
10:11To be honest, I couldn't tell whether this was real or whether it was some delusion brought on by some
10:15underlying issue.
10:16It says here a possible BPD.
10:18I'm assuming that's borderline personality disorder.
10:20Distorted sense of self, intense emotions.
10:23Relationship instability, yes.
10:25It's all motivated by a fear of abandonment.
10:27But I wasn't sure because Ivy also exhibited traits of paranoid personality disorder, illusions, distrust.
10:34And you never made an official diagnosis?
10:36No, no one.
10:39Considering what happened to her, I suppose I got that all wrong.
10:45Regardless, it would take me more than four sessions to be sure.
10:48You know, some folks go after this stuff with a hammer.
10:52I paint in watercolor.
10:53You know, it takes time.
10:55Patience.
10:57I wanted to help Ivy.
10:59I really did.
10:59But I couldn't report the harassment for her.
11:02Did Ivy ever describe this person?
11:06The only thing that I remember her saying is that he wore an army jacket.
11:21It's so sad, isn't it?
11:23Did you know?
11:25She was my girlfriend.
11:27Oh, my God.
11:28I'm so sorry.
11:31Apparently, she tried to report it, but her description of the guy was vague.
11:34And do you know what they say about stalking?
11:36Yeah, it's homicide in slow motion.
11:38Finished Ivy Abbott's autopsy.
11:40The killer twisted the knife inside her neck almost 180 degrees.
11:44You sliced her carotid and her jugular?
11:46Yeah, she bled out quickly.
11:48I looked into those abrasions on her left hand.
11:50There's thin fibers embedded.
11:52I sent them for testing.
11:53Possibly clutching onto an object as a weapon when the keys failed?
11:57Maybe.
11:58I once tried to fend off a subway perv using a debit card.
12:01Yeah, I pretended chapstick was pepper spray.
12:04It actually worked.
12:05Our killer wasn't a stranger.
12:07He had a personal connection with her.
12:09Yeah, he either hated her or desired her.
12:11Maybe even felt a whole lot of love.
12:14What's the name of the candle?
12:16Forensics just came back.
12:17Pinpointed a proprietary blend of cedar, cannabis, and Canadian wildflowers.
12:22Created by a Canadian company, Shy Wolf, I called him.
12:25And guess who bought 150 candles using their credit card online?
12:30Hope you have a reservation because we're totally booked tonight.
12:33Oh, I'm sure you could squeeze this in for, I don't know, five minutes and 33 seconds.
12:38I just have time to do a hearty rendition of whole lot of love.
12:43Carter Harold, right?
12:44That's you?
12:45Yeah.
12:46Well, it seems recently you bought a whole lot of these candles.
12:50It's very expensive to just leave them all in Ivy Abbott's backyard.
13:03Come on, Carter.
13:04That's enough.
13:05I didn't kill Ivy, I swear.
13:09You sure?
13:11Because you were stalking her.
13:13Okay, I left the candles on the night she died, on all those nights, but I just wanted...
13:18Wanted to do what?
13:19Be your own personal boogeyman?
13:21No, I wanted her to know that I cared about her.
13:23The candles, they were a message.
13:25They were named after a song we sang together.
13:27You're telling me a 20-year-old sang Led Zeppelin at karaoke?
13:31Not exactly.
13:33I was in a room on my own one night, but then I heard a voice in the hall joining
13:36in.
13:37I looked out and saw her.
13:41And you got hooked.
13:44You pulled her address off her ID, went to her house, started taking photos, lighting candles.
13:49But you needed her to know how I felt.
13:50What about how she felt?
13:52Because I'm pretty sure you terrified her every single time.
13:56See, I'm pretty new to this, so forgive me, but you want us to believe that you trespassed
14:02onto her property, peeked through her windows, and took some pretty intrusive photos of her.
14:09But then you didn't follow her to a deserted area, stab her in the neck and in the back?
14:15Carter, what did Ivy do when she saw the candles?
14:22Answer the question.
14:24We ran away, okay?
14:27She obviously didn't like them.
14:28Shocker.
14:29No, I left.
14:30I went to work the late shift at the bar.
14:33Checked the cameras.
14:33I was there by 11.15.
14:35We will.
14:36Honestly, I wish I'd followed her.
14:37I could have helped her.
14:39Well, maybe it's not too late to help.
14:42You followed her around, right?
14:44Yeah.
14:44What was she up to?
14:47She was spending way too much time at that criminology building.
14:50She had classes there.
14:51No, it's not just class.
14:52It's something else.
14:55Every day she goes to some weird locked room that only a few people had a key to.
15:00What's inside?
15:01I don't know, but I think it's bad for her.
15:06Very bad.
15:11Let me know when you're done.
15:17Well, looks like a bunch of true crime nerds made a nest.
15:21Or a cold case club.
15:24They were to a seminar supervised by Professor Garrett Poole.
15:28What's the case?
15:30The victim was Kat Berman.
15:32Murdered in 2019.
15:34Student at Queen's University.
15:36She was stabbed once in the neck.
15:39And six times.
15:41In the back.
15:43Exactly like Ivy.
15:52So, Ivy Abbott was studying Kat Berman's murder and ends up getting killed in exactly the same way?
15:59Down to the twist of the knife.
16:01Take a look at Ivy's autopsy and Kat's autopsy from six years ago.
16:06Their fatal neck wounds were caused by the exact same maneuver.
16:09Followed by six stabs to the back, the only difference was the marks on the hand.
16:14Ivy had them, Kat did not.
16:16You talked to Kingston PD?
16:18Yeah, they gave us access to Kat's file, but they haven't had a new lead in forever.
16:22So, now we have two dead students, similar ages, same wounds.
16:27Yeah, we might be looking at a serial murderer.
16:29Or a copycat who knew the wound pattern well.
16:33Maybe because they studied at a cold case club.
16:40Ivy was an excellent student.
16:41Sorry for your loss, Professor Poole.
16:43The provost told us she was in your cold case club.
16:46Yeah, one of only ten kids selected.
16:49Yes, it was an invitation-only criminology seminar for third-year students.
16:53And Ivy was, yeah, she was doing incredibly well.
16:56They all were.
16:57So, you thought your best and brightest could solve Kat Berman's murder?
17:01That stumped the Kingston PD.
17:05It's more of a teaching exercise.
17:07So, you take an unsolvable case, give it to a bunch of smart kids.
17:12And see what they do with it.
17:15They each bring their own expertise, their own point of view.
17:18It's fascinating.
17:19And what was Ivy's angle?
17:22Interpreting witness testimony.
17:25And what if a student discovers a lead?
17:29Well, then I would take it to the cold case unit.
17:31But I've been using this one for a couple years now.
17:34And so far, there are no new leads.
17:37But Ivy wanted to find one.
17:39Yeah.
17:39We heard she spent quite a lot of time in the seminar room after hours.
17:44Yes, they all did.
17:45I told them they'd get top marks if they solved it.
17:47And they couldn't take the files home.
17:49Did those files include...
17:51Kat Berman's autopsy?
17:56Yes.
17:57Why?
17:58Oh, we were wondering if any of the students were taking the pathology angle.
18:02Caused death, injuries.
18:05Yes.
18:06Maurice LeMay.
18:08He's an inspiring forensic pathologist.
18:10He was trying to recreate Kat Berman's wounds using various unique methods.
18:17Many budding pathologists practice replicating knife wounds.
18:21It's not weird.
18:24So, does everyone work on Miss Piggy?
18:27Well, they should.
18:28The consistency of pig flesh is very close to human.
18:30Well, funny.
18:31That's why we're here.
18:32Maurice, where were you the night Ivy died?
18:34I didn't kill Ivy.
18:35I was with my parents here all night.
18:37You can ask them.
18:40What's on your mind?
18:41If only I'd moved faster.
18:43Done better.
18:44Could have found out who really did this and Ivy would still be alive.
18:47Do you think Kat's killer murdered Ivy?
18:49Isn't it obvious?
18:50Ivy probably figured out who did it.
18:53Call yourself a detective.
18:57Professor Poole says that there were no new leads.
19:00Yeah, well, Poole doesn't know everything.
19:02Ivy finished reviewing witness testimony and moved on to something that wasn't even assigned to her.
19:06Something that no one was allowed to do.
19:08Interviewing real witnesses.
19:10How'd you know?
19:10Oh, that's exactly what he would have done.
19:13So, what was Ivy's strategy?
19:15Ivy was really into victimology.
19:18In particular, victim facilitation.
19:20You know, the theory of what makes someone a target.
19:22But nothing in the witness testimony made it seem like Kat was a high-risk victim.
19:25She went to work and to school.
19:27So Ivy wanted to know how the killer came into Kat's orbit.
19:30Yeah.
19:31Ivy figured the perp was either an unassuming random stalker.
19:34Or someone Kat didn't want anyone else to know about.
19:38Did Ivy find any new leads?
19:40She went to meet a witness the day she died.
19:42I saw the address she wrote down before she left.
19:50Yes, Ivy Abbott came by here at 6 p.m.
19:53We chatted.
19:53She left.
19:54I was here till 12.
19:55I didn't even know her.
19:57But Ivy thought that you might know Kat Berman.
20:00Barely.
20:01I used to deliver pizzas to Kat.
20:03And where was this?
20:04Six years ago, I was living in Kingston with my aunt.
20:06And on the weekend, I delivered pizzas for a place called Max Doe.
20:09And Ivy knew you were delivering pizzas to Kat?
20:12She saw a photo of our pizza box in Kat's recycling.
20:15Part of the case files, I guess.
20:16And Ivy wanted to know if you ever saw anyone with Kat on the weekends?
20:20Yes.
20:21And there was a guy there with her sometimes.
20:23Definitely a boyfriend.
20:24So Damien, did you ever see a face, get a name?
20:28No, but I heard his voice.
20:29He was annoying.
20:30Told the same story over and over.
20:32So our pizza box was red, right?
20:34Every time Kat took it inside,
20:36he would make a comment on how it was the exact same color
20:40of his fancy cottage in Newfoundland.
20:42So when I told Ivy about it, she got really tense.
20:45Said she needed to talk to her professor right away.
20:47Hmm.
20:48Fine.
20:49He didn't tell us that.
20:56Morris, how are you doing here?
20:58I, uh, came to grab some of my research.
21:00Well, you won't need it.
21:01Out of respect for Ivy, I'm canceling this seminar for good.
21:05But what about our grades?
21:07Is that all you can think about?
21:08Your grades?
21:10What kind of question is that, man?
21:12What's wrong with you?
21:16Uh, I'm sorry.
21:18You're right.
21:19Hang on, hang on.
21:20I'm sorry.
21:21It's, um, marks will be determined based on the work
21:25that's already been submitted.
21:26You're okay.
21:27Don't worry.
21:30So you've never heard of Damien, how cool?
21:33No, Ivy never mentioned meeting anyone named Damien Aku,
21:37and I would never condone her reaching out
21:40to a stranger about the cold case.
21:42Really?
21:43Because Damien told us that Ivy's first priority
21:46was to report back to you about a new suspect.
21:50Well, she may have sent an email.
21:52Maybe it ended up in my junk box.
21:54I don't know.
21:55My inbox is a mess.
21:56I haven't had time to go through.
21:57This is the first new clue in years,
21:59and you haven't had time?
22:01I'm saying I didn't know there was a new clue.
22:04Okay.
22:04Well, that's all right.
22:05You know what?
22:05We can fill you in.
22:06Uh, so Ivy found out that Cat had a secret boyfriend.
22:11Now, we don't know his name.
22:12Oh, but we do know that he owns some pretty stunning property.
22:17Yeah, a red cottage in Newfoundland.
22:19Kind of like this one.
22:25Were you dating Cat Berman, Professor Poole?
22:28And what did you do when Ivy found out?
22:33We know he took a sabbatical from Osler in 2019,
22:36moved to Kingston to write a book on the penitentiary.
22:40Same year Cat was killed.
22:41Yeah, Cat worked in a library
22:42that housed some of the penitentiary archives
22:44they might have met there.
22:46We haven't confirmed it,
22:47but after Cat was killed,
22:49Garrett Poole went back home
22:51and eventually started the Pulteus Club.
22:52It's possible he was simply interested in the case.
22:55They lived in the same city.
22:56Maybe you read about it in the newspaper.
22:58Yeah, except that now we're thinking
22:59that he was sleeping with Cat.
23:00So he's either obsessed with the woman he loved,
23:03or he's a murdering narcissist
23:06who's spent the last three years
23:09daring his students to catch him.
23:12Who the hell are we dealing with?
23:14We're about to find out.
23:21Yes, I was sleeping with Cat Berman in 2019.
23:24Our relationship has nothing to do with her murder.
23:27I didn't kill her.
23:28I loved her.
23:29You used her murder as fodder for a university class.
23:33I want to solve the case.
23:34So did Ivy.
23:35And from the looks of it,
23:37she got dangerously close to the truth.
23:40We got a warrant to search your communication,
23:42and, oh, you were not lying about your inbox being a mess,
23:46but we found this in your trash.
23:49What is this?
23:50This, uh, Ivy's email?
23:52The one that, uh, you couldn't find.
23:54It was sent the night she was killed,
23:56but forgive me.
23:57I...
23:57I left my glasses on my desk.
24:00Perhaps you could read it out to us.
24:08I know you were dating Cat.
24:14This isn't what it looks like.
24:16Come on.
24:16No?
24:17Because you deleted a very clear message from Ivy
24:20that would give you a very clear motive for murder.
24:23And let's face it,
24:24it might be easier just to get rid of her
24:26than to, um, have to track down
24:28and destroy 2,000 copies of a book
24:30with a very damning detail on it.
24:33I did not kill Ivy
24:35out of some kind of self-preservation
24:37because I did not kill Cat.
24:39Do you understand?
24:40Then why would you lie to us?
24:42Do you have any idea how difficult it is
24:44to be a male professor these days?
24:50I did not want the fact
24:52that I slept with Cat to get out, okay?
24:54It's not because I killed her.
24:55It's because I would be ruined.
24:57I'd be canceled.
24:58I would lose everything.
24:59Yeah, but Ivy still knew.
25:02So what'd you do?
25:05Go after her?
25:06Yeah, your office is very, very close
25:08to where she was killed.
25:09Yeah, but I wasn't at my office.
25:10Where were you?
25:11I was with a colleague at her office.
25:13Who?
25:14Sarah Nielsen.
25:15I'm working with her on my new book.
25:16I was with her from 9.30 to midnight.
25:20Is Sarah Nielsen the campus therapist?
25:21Did you know that, um,
25:24Sarah was treating Ivy?
25:27I mean...
25:32Yes.
25:33How?
25:36Because I introduced them.
25:40Do you handpick
25:42all your students' therapists?
25:46Maybe you got your pal to talk to Ivy for the same reason you trashed that email.
25:52Because you didn't want the world to know that you and Ivy were also in a sexual relationship.
25:57Yeah, that would make you two for two.
26:00It's two relationships, two students.
26:03Both, Dad.
26:05Ivy never told me that she and Garrett Poole were sleeping together.
26:08I'd have to report that.
26:09Even though you're friends.
26:11Ethics that way, friendship detectives, so do morals.
26:14And the night Ivy was killed.
26:17Well, Garrett was with me in my office till well after midnight.
26:19We were working on his new book.
26:21Whatever was happening with Ivy, Garrett's telling the truth about that night.
26:26That's helpful, Sarah.
26:29Did forensics come back on those fibers in Ivy's hand?
26:32I was just about to call you.
26:33They're from a cord used in retractable keycard fobs.
26:37What?
26:38Like the one Poole used to let us into his office?
26:40It looked long enough to wrap around Ivy's hand and cause rope burn.
26:44I knew we shouldn't have let him go.
26:45Now, the man had an alibi.
26:47It was verified.
26:48But if you find the cord, I can test it for Ivy's DNA.
26:52Thanks, Lucy.
26:53Stand by.
26:55Okay, you two.
26:56We need to be very strategic here because whether or not there's DNA on that cord.
27:01Poole's alibi still stands.
27:03However, in my experience, even the most bulletproof of alibis will weaken when faced with a fear of obstructing justice.
27:10So if we tell ethical, moral Sarah that we've got something against Poole, she might bend.
27:16And if you gild the lily by showing her a little more of the horror of the crime she's covering
27:22up...
27:22She might break.
27:25You, uh, put a spin team on Poole.
27:28Nothing I'd rather do.
27:29Go break that alibi.
27:33Garrett.
27:35Thank God they released you.
27:37You okay?
27:37Yeah, I'm fine.
27:38I'm fine.
27:40Thanks for talking to the cops.
27:41You're a lifesaver.
27:44Um.
27:46Garrett.
27:48Yeah?
27:48Is there anything that you want to tell me?
27:51About what?
27:52About Ivy.
27:55Ivy.
27:55Ivy.
27:55Garrett, I just lied for you.
27:57Hey.
28:00You know I didn't hurt her.
28:02Right?
28:03You know that.
28:05Of course you didn't.
28:06But, but nothing.
28:08Why should we give some myopic cops any window of opportunity to pin this on me?
28:13I left your office.
28:14I was out walking around the campus.
28:16Just, just processing all these great ideas that you had for the last chapter, you know?
28:23You're amazing.
28:24You know that, right?
28:25Oh, stop.
28:26God, I'm so lucky to have you.
28:29What do you mean?
28:31I mean, you're loyal and you're, you're faithful and you're so smart.
28:40It's just pure.
28:42There's no silliness.
28:44There's no messy feelings getting in the way.
28:52Why are you showing me these?
28:54Because we believe your friend Garrett Poole did that to Ivy Evan.
28:58That's, that's impossible.
29:00I told you that we were together.
29:01It's amazing what people will do to protect a friend.
29:09What do you have in your pocket?
29:11Come on, show me.
29:17Okay, so, you're by yourself.
29:19It's nighttime.
29:21Someone's following you.
29:22Out of all of this, what do you use to defend yourself?
29:27So, if they have a knife, you have a pen.
29:32I mean, compared to you, right now, Ivy was lucky.
29:35She had her keys on her.
29:37Intertwined them between her fingers in the hope that she could take a swing and then run.
29:41But she didn't.
29:43Because someone stabbed her in the side of the neck before she got the chance.
29:47Why would Garrett do this?
29:49Well, Ivy learned that there was another student he was involved with who also wound up dead.
29:55Kat Berman, six years ago.
29:56There were more.
29:58I knew about Ivy.
29:59Well, you knew that Poole was sleeping with Ivy.
30:03Why are you wasting our time?
30:06Okay.
30:09Ivy told me.
30:10I was horrified, but I couldn't always trust what she said.
30:14I told her it wasn't appropriate, and she told me that she was too scared to break up with him.
30:19Now, I could never imagine Garrett threatening a woman.
30:22Oh, this looks more than a threat, doesn't it?
30:26Garrett wouldn't hurt anyone.
30:27Come on, Sarah.
30:29Predators don't just hide in the shadows.
30:32They're in nice offices, in nice homes, in positions of power.
30:37And you are enabling her.
30:41Why?
30:43I didn't want Garrett to be ruined.
30:46What if Garrett was telling the truth?
30:48What if Ivy was lying?
30:51But she wasn't.
30:52So don't lie for him.
31:01Garrett was in my office with me until 11 p.m.
31:07I'm sorry.
31:08I never thought that he could do something like this.
31:11So when he asked me to say that we were together until midnight,
31:16I said, okay.
31:19Detectives, a word.
31:23Spin team just called Poole as a move.
31:25He's got a suitcase with him.
31:27I'll deal with Sarah.
31:28You go.
31:35There he is.
31:36We need to keep up.
31:38Dr. Poole!
31:41Garrett Poole!
31:42Police!
31:42Stop!
31:43Stop!
31:47What the hell is going on here?
31:49I didn't do anything.
31:50We'll see about that.
31:51Garrett Poole, you're under arrest for the murder of Ivy Abbott.
32:03I was headed to Union Station.
32:05I'm catching a train to go to Hudson Valley to see a friend.
32:08I'm not guilty of anything.
32:10Well, the jury's out on that.
32:11But we'll have a clearer picture once forensics comes back with the key fob.
32:15You see, we believe it was the last thing that Ivy Abbott grabbed for before she died.
32:20You knew it was only a matter of time before Ivy outed you as Kat's killer, so you got rid
32:27of her to save yourself.
32:28I didn't kill Ivy.
32:29I didn't kill Kat.
32:30I told you.
32:31I love them.
32:32Both of them.
32:32You preyed on two young students, and both have ended up dead.
32:38Is that the results?
32:39The DNA test?
32:40What does it say?
32:42What does it say?
32:49Negative for Ivy's DNA.
32:51Yeah, I told you.
32:52I told you.
32:53I didn't kill anyone.
32:54Then why did you ask a colleague to fabricate an alibi for you?
32:58I didn't ask her to do that.
33:00It was her idea.
33:02So she just came up with this whole plan all by herself.
33:06Why?
33:06Sarah is a friend, okay?
33:09She's a close friend.
33:11She adores me.
33:12She'd do anything for me.
33:13So when we found out that Ivy was killed, a student we both knew, Sarah suggested that
33:19we just say that we were together, you know, just to keep things tidy.
33:24So one more time, where were you?
33:27At 11 o'clock, I went out for a walk, and Sarah stayed behind and worked on my edits.
33:37Leaving you both alone and unaccounted for at the time of Ivy Abbott's murder.
33:43Let's get Sarah's interview up.
33:45Yep.
33:45I'm on it.
33:49What do you have in your pockets?
33:52Show me.
33:55Okay, so you're alone.
33:57It's nighttime.
34:05The white key card.
34:07It's not the official blue one the rest of the staff have.
34:10It's temporary.
34:11And she tried to hide it, which means she got rid of her official card and the fob that
34:15went with it.
34:16And as Poole said, she adores him.
34:20She'd do anything to help him.
34:23Sarah Nielsen was inside Ivy's head.
34:25Yeah, she knew she could kill Ivy and point the finger at any number of people in Ivy's
34:30life.
34:30He even pointed you two toward a stalker.
34:32And all the while, she was covering for Poole, which also gave herself an alibi.
34:36That's some fancy footwork.
34:37But then for some reason, she decided to throw Poole under the bus.
34:41Why?
34:42Well, because we offered him up as a patsy.
34:44And if Sarah's smart, the only piece of hard evidence that we hope to test is long gone.
34:50Finding that fob wouldn't help.
34:53I'm Sarah's defense lawyer.
34:54First thing I'd say, everyone at Osler has that fob.
34:5930,000 people could be your killer.
35:01I like this game.
35:02Okay.
35:03Well, what would you say if I said to you, your client has no alibi?
35:06She was in her office.
35:08Working.
35:09The therapist's offices don't have cameras.
35:11I checked.
35:12Thank you, counsel.
35:13But I have the floor.
35:14Oh.
35:16You don't have my client's prints on the murder weapon because you don't have a murder weapon.
35:21No sign of her on CCTV.
35:23At least not a recognizable Sarah.
35:24Okay, but what is a recognizable Sarah?
35:27The woman is a cipher.
35:29I don't think I've seen the real Sarah this entire time.
35:32This, this could be the real Sarah.
35:35Now, this is Poole's one big book, right?
35:37Got him tenure, but it doesn't read like his earlier papers.
35:41Listen to this language.
35:42Which is Anna Freud posited in 1936.
35:44Defense mechanisms operate unconsciously to protect the ego.
35:48Repression, rejection, sublimation, displacement.
35:50Sigmund Freud swung at these conditions with a hammer.
35:54But Anna Freud believed in time, layers, and patience.
35:57She unpacked these emotions with care and painted them with a watercolor brush.
36:02That's exactly what Sarah said just when we first met.
36:06You think that's her research?
36:08And she gave it all to Poole?
36:09Romantic, isn't it?
36:10It certainly is.
36:12And that's how we break her.
36:15Thanks for meeting me here, Sarah.
36:18How are you feeling?
36:20I'm a little stunned.
36:21I, I can't believe that Garrett said it was my idea to lie about his alibi.
36:25Yeah, well, we saw right through that.
36:27Well, I'm just glad that you caught him.
36:29Yeah, but it's not over yet.
36:32We still have to put him behind bars.
36:34And there are aspects of both Ivy and Kat's cases that we just still don't understand.
36:41So, I'm hoping you can help.
36:44Well, I don't know Kat.
36:45Oh, that's okay.
36:46I mean, Kat's murder was almost exactly like Ivy's.
36:49And, you know, Ivy, you know Garrett.
36:51I mean, you're the expert here, not me.
36:53I mean, I'm, I'm so curious about your perspective.
36:56Hmm.
36:56I, I've already told you everything I know.
36:59Facts.
37:00Yeah, but I'm looking for feelings.
37:02And you were practically inside their heads.
37:05I mean, you were Ivy's therapist and Garrett's muse.
37:09What do you mean, Garrett's muse?
37:13Oh, Sarah, I, I read his book.
37:16Those chapters on defense mechanisms, impulsivity, emotional dysregulation.
37:21That was all you.
37:22No, no, no, no, no, no.
37:24It wasn't all me.
37:25We worked, we worked together.
37:26On your ideas?
37:27Well, I wanted to help him.
37:29Yeah, like you helped him with his alibi.
37:34Hey, it's okay.
37:35I know it's not your fault.
37:37I think that Garrett was able to get away with these murders
37:40because he manipulated his victims, you included.
37:44This guy was very careful.
37:46No, no, there's careful and then there's controlling.
37:48Hmm, what, what do you mean?
37:49Well, Ivy mentioned that Garrett asked to track her phone.
37:53That's why she was so scared.
37:54Wow.
37:55He liked to lead in relationships, to have the upper hand.
37:57Oh, was he like that with you too, in your relationship?
38:01Well, Garrett and I are, we're just friends.
38:05Really?
38:07Sarah, come on.
38:08I can tell when a woman is in love.
38:12Garrett knew how you felt and he took advantage of that.
38:16What are you suggesting?
38:17That I'm weak?
38:18No.
38:19God, no.
38:20No, I've, uh, I've been there myself.
38:25Huh.
38:26My rookie year, I fell absolutely head over heels
38:30with a guy that I worked with.
38:31I became obsessed.
38:34I memorized his schedule, I followed him around, I would make excuses to work together.
38:39Did he like you back?
38:41He liked my work.
38:43He liked it so much that sometimes he would claim it as his own.
38:51Yeah, eventually he did, um, he did want more than just my work.
38:56So he did like you back?
38:57Mm-hmm.
38:58Yeah.
38:59But, uh, he didn't like me enough to get serious, because, uh, it turns out he was married the entire
39:06time.
39:07Oh.
39:08And I wanted a kid.
39:10I wanted a family.
39:12That's terrible.
39:13At least Garrett isn't married.
39:15Well, no.
39:19He is otherwise engaged.
39:21He spends his time on frivolous things, but gives you just enough to hang on.
39:27Kind words, empty promises, and all the while, your time marches on, your window is closing.
39:32I have always had feelings for Garrett.
39:35Yeah.
39:36But he, he said that we shouldn't cross the line, that we are, we're colleagues.
39:41But he crosses the line with his students.
39:43But that's none of my business, and, and I have, I have accepted that we are just friends.
39:47No, friends don't steal their friends' work.
39:49Friends don't use their friends to try to cover up their affairs with students.
39:54And friends don't blame their friends for their crimes.
40:00Or maybe they do.
40:02See, I think you might be doing exactly that to Garrett.
40:08What are you talking about?
40:11Sarah, how would you define projection?
40:14It's when someone attributes their own undesirable feelings, thoughts, and behaviors to somebody else.
40:19Okay, so like when you suggested that Ivy was borderline with a touch of paranoid personality disorder and intense emotions,
40:26fear of abandonment, impulsivity, delusions.
40:29I am not delusional, detective, and I, I actually, I've done nothing but try to help you.
40:36Yeah.
40:37Well, you've been very helpful.
40:39When you wanted me to trust you, and like you, you told me everything I wanted to hear.
40:44I've read your notes.
40:45And I made some of my own, and I think all those things you were saying about Ivy, you were
40:53really talking about yourself.
40:57Sarah, stop.
40:58No, no, no, no, no, no.
40:59I'm done here.
41:00From the moment that I walked into that office, you've been trying to manipulate me.
41:03And now you are trying to turn the tables with anger and contempt, and it's not going to work.
41:08Was that your attempt at empathizing in there?
41:10At relating?
41:11God, you are so out of your depth, you should be embarrassed.
41:14See, you're projecting again.
41:16You've been carrying a torch for that man for ten years.
41:19Ten years of him stealing your work, tossing you scraps while he screws his students.
41:24And you know it's shameful, and you still can't stop.
41:28I don't need Garrett.
41:29No, you don't, but you want him.
41:31You want him fully and forever, and you know he wants you too.
41:34You just needed a little nudge.
41:36You know that one day he is going to wake up and look at you and see what is right
41:41in front of him,
41:41what's been here all along.
41:42You just needed those girls to get out of the way.
41:46Their baubles.
41:47Their trinkets.
41:49You.
41:49You are the real thing.
41:53So you stabbed Kat outside her house.
41:56You tracked Ivy's phone and you killed her.
41:59No, no.
42:00You have no proof.
42:01I know that you threw away your key card.
42:04And Ivy was smart.
42:06She grabbed it, didn't she?
42:07Ivy, as she was dying, because in her last moment she wanted to leave a trace.
42:11Someone stop her.
42:12Someone please stop this monster.
42:14Ivy, Ivy was a child, okay?
42:16An idiotic fool.
42:17And she thought that Garrett was gonna, what, leave his job and marry her?
42:21I tried to play nice.
42:22How?
42:23I told her to leave.
42:24I said leave town.
42:25But she stuck around.
42:27She didn't listen.
42:27Garrett didn't listen either.
42:28No, he never does.
42:29I don't know what I have to do.
42:31And that's why you threw him under the bus.
42:32To make him listen.
42:33To make him yours.
42:35Yes.
42:36Yes, because then, then it would finally be me and him.
42:39And I would stand by him.
42:41And I would visit him.
42:42And, and when he got out of prison, he would know who, he would know who really loved him.
42:52I wonder if he's gonna visit you.
43:09You okay?
43:11Yeah.
43:13I think I used a bit more hammer than I did watercolor.
43:17Well, whatever the tool, you still painted our killer into a corner.
43:24It's never easy to corner another woman.
43:35Let's go.
43:43Yeah.
43:47Yeah.
43:52Yeah.
43:57Yeah.
43:59Yeah.
43:59Yeah.
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