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00:17What's up?
00:18Welcome to the coming first show.
00:21Y'all, we have a Grammy-nominated R&B powerhouse
00:25joining us for the opening song this hour.
00:27She's known for blending classic soul
00:29with a modern spin.
00:30She's also known, just her tone is incredible.
00:33I've been listening to her all morning.
00:34She's so great.
00:35Her latest album was three years in the making,
00:37performing Mobbin in DC from her new album, Vacancy.
00:41Give it up for Ari Lennox.
00:48You, I am on the ground, feeling crazy.
00:53Only wanna call me, baby.
00:56You know how I am.
00:59You don't give a damn what these people say.
01:04You're talking so nice to me.
01:09Came in it, but the eyes of me.
01:13So I guess I'll have to fly to no look for the night.
01:17Show you I'm obliged.
01:19Of course, I'll care for you.
01:24Darling, if you want to cut everyone off for you.
01:33This is, you put me through.
01:36You know where I'll stay.
01:38You know where I'll be.
01:40This ain't got to be.
01:42You know where I'll be.
01:53This ain't got to be.
01:58Baby, be grown.
01:59Hit it up.
02:00Hit up the phone.
02:02Hit up the phone.
02:03Hit it up.
02:03Hit it up.
02:27One time.
02:28To save me
02:34And I like it
02:39Cause I hate you
02:44Darling, you want me to
02:49Put everyone over
02:52Just a guess that you put me through
02:55You know where I stay
02:57You know where I be
02:59It's ridiculous
03:01No, no
03:04Tired of you saying
03:06That you're missing me
03:08You know my location
03:10I'm up in N.D.C.
03:14Y'all, one more time, give it up for all of them
03:18Incredible singers, this incredible band
03:22We're actually, we're gonna get to chat with her a little bit later
03:26Thank you, Ari, for now
03:27We'll see you in just a little bit
03:28Yes, let's welcome our lead guest though
03:30From his Tony-nominated role in the Scottsboro Boys
03:33To his Oscar-nominated roles in Rustin and Sing Sing
03:36He has a very impressive gravity to his presence
03:38Every time he hits the stage or screen
03:40Right now he's back every Sunday night on HBO Max
03:43For a new season of Euphoria
03:45Which he won an Emmy for, no big deal
03:47And you can also catch him in the film Michael
03:49About the life of Michael Jackson
03:51It's in theaters starting tomorrow
03:52Everybody, give it up for our friend Coleman Domingo
04:14He's Judged
04:15Hello
04:15He's Joe
04:19Hey
04:20Won't be terrible
04:20So good
04:21It looks so good
04:24It's like in the audience
04:25All collides.
04:26It's nice.
04:27It's beautiful.
04:28Congrats on the new everything.
04:30You have like three different things going on right now, but congrats on Michael.
04:32Oh, thank you.
04:33What kind of, does it cover specific parts of his life?
04:35It covers, you know, from the Gary, Indiana years.
04:39Yeah.
04:40He is like eight years old and the makings of Michael.
04:43That's what this film really is.
04:44Yeah.
04:45So you can get to understand who this icon is and was and his impact, but it's also leading
04:50up to him becoming a solo artist.
04:53Yeah.
04:53So a lot of the conflict actually is between he and his father, because, you know, Joe
04:57had such a domineering, um, his whole, he surrounded Michael in every single way and his family.
05:04So it's about Michael finally becoming himself.
05:07And that's when you get into these other iconic albums and stuff like that.
05:10Off the wall.
05:11Yeah.
05:11Off the wall.
05:12Thriller, you name it.
05:13He becomes the Michael, that superstar.
05:15This is a hard, this is a polarizing character.
05:17Like this is like people, how did you, this is a complicated man you're playing.
05:20Yeah.
05:21I'm, I sort of run towards the complicated men because I feel like I want to find out
05:26Joe Jackson, what, what he cared about and why he cared about things in the way he did.
05:30So for me, I'm looking at him and just trying to find a complex human being, find his humanity,
05:36find out what makes him hurt, what makes him, you know, strong or really, you know, formidable.
05:40So I'm looking for all of that stuff.
05:41So that's what I did with him.
05:43Yeah.
05:44It is interesting what gets us where we are.
05:46It's true.
05:46You know, I do, I do like that.
05:48So you grew up with a stepfather kind of raising you.
05:50So, um, that generation was very different.
05:53Like our, I mean, that's, that's, I mean, I think that's why I did a deep dive with Joe Jackson
05:57in that way.
05:57I thought, oh, you know, he's a blue collar worker.
05:59He worked in a steel mill and I was like, wait, where can I find that in my own life?
06:02And I looked at my own stepfather who was a blue collar, you know, he sanded hardwood floors.
06:07I worked with him for like, you know, three summers between 12 and like 15.
06:12I actually got fired from that job.
06:13Not that I was bad, not that I was bad, but it was actually a good reason.
06:17He, you know, he was like, oh, you don't want to do this work.
06:19It's back breaking work.
06:20You know, I'm sanding these floors, but I'm like, yeah, but you make everything so beautiful.
06:22I mean, look at these floors.
06:23They're beautiful.
06:24Yeah.
06:24And somebody has to do that.
06:25Yeah.
06:25But he was like, you know what?
06:26I don't want you to do this back breaking work because he only had a seventh grade education because
06:30he had to just go to work.
06:31Yeah.
06:31And he said, I want you to use your mind and I don't want you to have these hard calluses.
06:35I want you to have soft hands.
06:36Yeah.
06:36He is working so hard so you can have an opportunity for maybe something different.
06:39That was a generation.
06:40And that's where I tapped into.
06:41I'm like, maybe Joe is a part of those guys.
06:43He wasn't soft and warm and fuzzy.
06:45Neither was my stepfather.
06:46He grew up in a different world.
06:47Exactly.
06:47They depended on the wife to do the nurturing and have the softness.
06:52But I always look back now and I'm like, oh man, he was tough on me, but he was doing
06:56everything
06:56could to make sure that I was a good citizen.
06:59I had a good education.
07:00And I was a man of my word and had a great work ethic.
07:03And so I look back and I'm like, yeah, he was a tough dude, but I appreciate him because
07:06he made me the man who I am.
07:07Yeah.
07:08Respecting the opportunities.
07:09Yeah.
07:09That are afforded from all their hard work as well.
07:11Absolutely.
07:11Absolutely.
07:12All right.
07:12We need to get to a couple of commercials.
07:14As always, let's have someone in the audience help us out.
07:16Hi, Kelly and Coleman.
07:17I'm Ian.
07:18Coleman, you're the ultimate multi-hyphenate actor, director, fashion icon, and playwright.
07:25I love all your work, but especially when you play real people like Rustin, Divine G,
07:30or Joe Jackson.
07:31There's real power when true stories and art come together and no one does it better than
07:36you.
07:37Oh.
07:37Stay here.
07:38Kelly has more with Coleman after this.
07:47I'm arranging a tour in a live album.
07:53Well, how are we going to tour without Jermaine?
07:56Your brother made his choice when we left Motown and he stayed.
07:59Let him live with it.
08:00The point is, we need to capitalize on Michael's album.
08:05So, we're going to do a bunch of songs.
08:07Joseph, I need to think.
08:12No, sir.
08:13I told you what to think.
08:15We are back with Coleman Domingo.
08:18That was a look at his new phone, Michael, in which he plays Michael Jackson's father,
08:22Joseph.
08:23It's only one of three projects Coleman has out soon because he likes to work.
08:27But I do want to talk about this because y'all cover many decades in this.
08:31So, there's a lot of retro fashion.
08:33Was there one you loved most?
08:34You know what?
08:35I like the, let's see, for the Jacksons, I love sort of the victory tour Jacksons.
08:41Yeah.
08:41Because that's when they were like really like, they were hot and sexy and wearing,
08:44you know, everything was like, you know, parachute pants and off to the side.
08:47I remember suddenly they were like, wait, what?
08:49What are they doing?
08:49Yeah.
08:50Somebody got a paycheck.
08:51Yes, it's like when we all get money and we're like, I can do better.
08:54For Joe Jackson, I like when he moved into his Jericho season.
08:57Yeah.
08:57Because it was wet.
08:58Why not?
08:59He had a wet curl.
09:00He had a wet curl.
09:01A lot of jewelry.
09:02And he always wore like an earring.
09:03Yeah.
09:03He sort of looked like, you know, like a little like.
09:05Yeah.
09:06Like, I don't know.
09:07I don't want to say it.
09:11You know.
09:11That makes us want to hear it more.
09:13It's a bit of a gangster, a bit of a G.
09:15Yeah.
09:15Because he would wear like a nice pinky ring.
09:18Yeah.
09:18And like pendants and stuff like that.
09:20He was just a player.
09:21You know, if I see a grown man wearing a pinky ring, I'm like, that's a confident man.
09:24That's a confident man.
09:25It's a confident man.
09:26Pinky rings are very confident.
09:27Pinky rings are, yeah.
09:27And they're making a comeback.
09:28I've seen two pinky rings in one week.
09:30I have seen pinky rings on this show.
09:32And I'm like, you know what?
09:32You are comfortable in your skin.
09:34Yeah.
09:35That's a sign.
09:36Exactly.
09:36Which I'm down.
09:37I'm down for.
09:38You're also one of the other projects you're back with Euphoria.
09:40Yeah.
09:40Four years?
09:41Four years.
09:42Oh, what's it like?
09:43It feels good.
09:44Just getting back in the kitchen with Zendaya.
09:46It was fantastic.
09:47Most of my scenes with her.
09:48And it's great.
09:48And I think this season really is a season about faith more than anything.
09:52I think, you know, it is a show about addiction and people struggling in many ways.
09:56But I think ultimately it's about what people are trying to hold on to right now and why
09:59they're drawn to the darkness and stuff like that.
10:02But ultimately it's about faith and believing in something bigger than yourself.
10:05Yeah.
10:06Do you, do you, I imagine you have to learn something from each character you play.
10:10Good or bad, I guess.
10:11But like, do you learn a lot from that character?
10:13I really do.
10:14Ali is sort of the voice of reason and sort of the, he's the audience's way in.
10:19I think, you know, because suddenly the world stops spinning so much when Ali's on camera.
10:24Yeah.
10:24Which is kind of cool.
10:25So for me, I learned a lot, like this dude, you know, he's done some terrible things because
10:29he said he has.
10:30Yeah.
10:30But when he's presenting right now, he's like, no, I'm a pretty evolved human being.
10:34I'm trying to do good in the world.
10:35But I feel for me, well, anything, he's a, he's always going back to zero and saying,
10:40no, just think about what you're doing.
10:41Think about your choice.
10:42Yeah.
10:42Like the root.
10:43Yeah.
10:43The root of it.
10:43So I think that that's what I like about him.
10:45And I feel like that's sort of helped me as well.
10:47I sort of like, I don't move fast, really.
10:49I'm, I'm very limber and all that, but I'm like, I sort of take my time and just like,
10:53and be thoughtful about what am I saying?
10:55How am I saying it?
10:56How do it affect someone else?
10:57You're like a sexy R&B song.
10:58That's me.
10:59Yeah.
10:59That's me.
11:00You take your time.
11:01You do it right.
11:01Take your time.
11:02You do it right.
11:03I'm like a Barry White song.
11:04Yes.
11:04Like old school, exactly.
11:05You got lead voice.
11:08I love the compliment too of like, how fabulous would that be to be a person?
11:12You come in a room and you slow down the chaos.
11:14Yeah.
11:14What an, what an attribute.
11:15I mean, listen, in the earlier seasons is all, they were young people, high school students
11:19having wild amounts of sex and chaotic situations.
11:23And I would come in and be like, all right, so what you doing?
11:24What you really doing?
11:25Yeah.
11:25Why you want to do that?
11:26The why.
11:26I'm the why.
11:27Yeah.
11:28I love four seasons.
11:29I actually just had Steve on.
11:31I know he's not in the new one, honestly.
11:32But yeah, he did.
11:33He had to go.
11:33But unless it's going to go soap opera and it's like, oh, he's not.
11:37Exactly.
11:37Right?
11:38No.
11:38Never know.
11:39I love this project too.
11:40You're a part of so many amazing projects.
11:41But what's great about being back with the cast of the fourth season?
11:44Oh man, it's just fun.
11:45It's lighthearted.
11:45It's something that I feel like we all need right now.
11:47It's just really a show about platonic.
11:49It's lighthearted, but you approach real messages.
11:51Yeah.
11:51But it's still very light though.
11:53But it's about all sorts of kind of love as well.
11:55Yeah.
11:55So I feel like, especially right now with so much chaos happening in the world, you just
11:58want to go with a group of friends.
12:00We're going to go to a new location.
12:01We're going to have these really interesting comedy of eras with each other.
12:04And that's what, and I love, you're working with like people who operate at the highest
12:08level of comedy.
12:09Tina Fey, you know what I mean?
12:10Carrie Kenney Silver.
12:12Yeah.
12:12Yeah.
12:12Marco Cavani.
12:13It's fantastic.
12:14I know.
12:14I just met Carrie Kenney Silver.
12:16I met her here.
12:17She was with Pink.
12:18Yeah.
12:18When she was, and I was so excited.
12:20I played it cool.
12:21But I was so excited because I love Four Seasons.
12:23I love everybody on it.
12:24And I think it's just such a, she does such a great job.
12:26I played it really cool.
12:27Yeah.
12:27She's incredible.
12:28Yeah.
12:28Yeah.
12:29She's one of those, what I love about we're all actors who, and comedians who know how
12:33to really operate under, with deep pain and pathos, and also know, have comedy chops.
12:39I think that's why I don't need to dive, you know, deep on people I love because I know
12:43we all had some kind of traumatic happen.
12:45Absolutely.
12:46So, you know what I'm saying?
12:46That's why we're sitting here.
12:47I already know what happened.
12:48I don't need to.
12:49Something happened to us.
12:50I know something was there, you know?
12:52Exactly.
12:52Right.
12:52I want to talk about this because I thought this was incredible, and you did such a great
12:55job.
12:56It's Sabrina Carpenter's video, Tears.
12:57Oh, yeah.
12:58Yes.
12:58Yeah.
12:58You know what I'm writing in the world?
13:03I, like, Crocs, look, it's like the world is different.
13:08Like, you don't, the industry doesn't, it's just, it doesn't run and operate behind the
13:12scenes or isn't used to whenever I enter the industry.
13:14This is like one of those old school, like, videos.
13:15It's an old school.
13:16You're pulling the actors in.
13:17It's like a whole story, a storytelling.
13:19How fun was that?
13:20Sabrina invited me to do it, and she said, I want to play with you.
13:22I have this idea of this sort of Rocky Horror world, and I was like, bring it.
13:26And she was like, is it okay if we put you in drag?
13:28I said, put me in all the drag.
13:29Yeah.
13:29I said, I said, how many outfits do you want?
13:32Music videos are where you can play like that.
13:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:34You can play like that.
13:34We played until four in the morning, but of course, listen, at about 3.30 in the morning,
13:38they wanted me to get back in six-inch heels, and I was like, I'm going to pass on that.
13:42Yeah.
13:42So there's one scene that always tickles me because we're coming out of this big dance
13:46break, and if you really look, I'm wearing flat man shoes.
13:49Yeah.
13:49I was like, I'm that drag queen that takes off at like 3.30.
13:53Yeah, you said 4 a.m., and I was like, we are different.
13:56Yeah, exactly.
13:57I'm like, we're going to have to rap before.
13:59I have like rules now.
14:00I'm in my 40s, and I'm like, oh, no, no.
14:02We got to be rap.
14:03When is your cutoff of rap?
14:04No, I'm going to be real with you.
14:05I will not go past 11.
14:0711?
14:07And usually, I want to go, and I'll start earlier because I'm older.
14:10Right.
14:10I'm like that Denny.
14:11I'm getting moons over my hammy at Denny's.
14:13You know what I'm saying?
14:13I'm getting some kind of special.
14:14I'm coming in hot at 6 p.m. for dinner.
14:17I'm like, because no one's there.
14:20It's not so loud.
14:21I can actually hear who I'm talking to.
14:23At some point, it makes sense.
14:24I love a 5.30 reservation.
14:26I literally, they're like, when do you want to go to dinner?
14:28My band and I, and I'm like, when does it open?
14:31That's it.
14:31But at 5.30, I'll be there.
14:33I'm in bed by 8.30.
14:34Yes.
14:34I'm not, I just, I'm not about that life anymore.
14:36I got kids, too.
14:37So it's like, I don't have time for that.
14:39Isn't it surprising, though, that you're like, you're about that life now?
14:41And I love it.
14:42It's good.
14:43I don't feel old.
14:44I feel experienced.
14:45Amen.
14:46Yeah.
14:47I've had enough experience to go, no, no.
14:51And I'm like, we can do better.
14:53All right, we need to take a break.
14:55The new season of Euphoria is out now on HBO Max, and you can catch Michael in theaters tomorrow.
15:01We've got, I'm getting older, man.
15:03We've got more with Coleman Domingo to come.
15:05Stay here.
15:05Stay here.
15:16Welcome back.
15:17Coleman Domingo is hanging with me, y'all.
15:20We all have random photos on our phones, some that might not be great, but still remind us
15:26of some great moments, rather.
15:28It's time to flip, though, through some of Coleman's own pics and get some behind the stories
15:33behind them.
15:33Here we go.
15:33This is called Photo Dump.
15:37Photo Dump!
15:38Yes!
15:40What?
15:41That is a nasty band.
15:44They are so good.
15:45Nasty!
15:45I know.
15:46And you know what's funny is no one, we didn't actually know we were doing this until like
15:49right before the show, so they just like were like, sure, got it.
15:52Yeah.
15:52Yeah.
15:54Hey!
15:54It's amazing.
15:55Okay, well Coleman has provided some never before posted photos, and he's going to walk
16:00us through what was going on in his life when he took these.
16:03So here's the first photo.
16:04What do we got?
16:05What was going on?
16:06Is that Tina Fey?
16:07That is Tina Fey, ladies and gentlemen.
16:09Yeah, the comedic legend Tina Fey.
16:11And that's her laying in a bed, and it's a stunt that will happen at some point.
16:18Well, I won't tell you what happens with the stunt with Four Seasons, but there's a
16:21stunt, but I love that there's all these hands.
16:23Everyone's very concerned about Tina Fey in this bed.
16:25And she's laying there, but she's happy, yet she looks like she's in a coffin.
16:28Yeah.
16:28So I like that picture.
16:29Yeah, I'm like, what is happening?
16:31Why did it go in like that?
16:33Yes, that should not be...
16:34But she's looking at pure joy in her face, pure joy.
16:37Next photo.
16:39Oh, now look at that.
16:41That is me as Joe Jackson, and that is my makeup artist, Jamie.
16:47I don't know what we're doing in that picture.
16:49We're just looking off to the side.
16:50It looks like one of those 80s superimposed shots.
16:53But then what I love is that there's pins from Jamie's makeup bag of Jamie as the
16:59coolest 19-year-old with the sunglasses on.
17:03She makes all these pins for people.
17:05She made a pin of me from the Sabrina Carpenter video.
17:08That is so 90s.
17:09Yeah, very 90s.
17:09And then she calls herself in her group the Domingos.
17:13The Domingos.
17:14And she actually made pins.
17:16So she will give them out to anyone.
17:19Yes.
17:19And it is always something that sort of horrifies me, yet I'm delighted.
17:22Yes.
17:24It's a compliment.
17:25Yeah, I think, do I want my fans to be called the Domingos?
17:28Yes, you do.
17:29I do?
17:29Fine.
17:30Okay, fine.
17:30It's a fun name.
17:32Yeah, there's some nice things to it.
17:32I just thought it was just the weirdest photo ever.
17:34And I'm like, why does that exist?
17:35No, I'm just saying, that's like marketing genius.
17:37That should be your merch.
17:38There we go.
17:39That's your merch.
17:39There's my merch.
17:40Yeah.
17:41Lex, she's setting you up.
17:42I also just, the transformation right now, you look incredible.
17:47That took two and a half hours a day, but we got it cut down to 90 minutes a day
17:51because
17:51they're rock stars.
17:52Bill Corso designed it.
17:54And then Mo and Jamie, they applied every day.
17:58And it was fantastic.
17:59That has to help you.
17:59And people are so amazing at what they do and they transform you like that.
18:02And you come out and you feel like JoJo.
18:05You feel different, really.
18:06It is all these beautiful details like the nose, the brow, all the things you wouldn't
18:10even think about to transform.
18:12It has to help you perform you.
18:13It does.
18:13Yeah.
18:14All right.
18:15Finally, we got this one.
18:16That is the love of my life.
18:18That is Raul, my husband.
18:19Look at that smile.
18:20And he's enjoying a delicious margarita that I made him.
18:23Yeah.
18:23Yeah, because I used to, I don't know if you know, I used to be a bartender for like 15
18:26years.
18:26I did know.
18:27You did know.
18:28I did know.
18:28And I can make a mean cocktail.
18:29I heard.
18:30And lately, I always...
18:31And I want to smile like this.
18:32You want to smile because you want to smile like that?
18:33I want to smile like this.
18:34Well, how about that?
18:35Should I make you a margarita?
18:40I was like, I want to smile.
18:44Make me smile.
18:45I'm going to make you smile.
18:45Okay.
18:46I'm going to make you smile.
18:47Because, all right, it's been such a chilly, chilly winter New York.
18:51Yeah, warm it up.
18:52And we're in spring now.
18:53Warm it up.
18:53And I'm going to warm it up.
18:54I'm going to get you to summer right now.
18:56We're going to make a margarita, okay?
18:57You always got to just have an ice in here.
18:58Ice it up.
18:59Very simple, you guys, because it's like fresh ingredients.
19:01Here's tequila already measured for two people.
19:03Look at, yeah.
19:04Bam.
19:04You know, I use something delicious.
19:05It's like a Don Julio or something.
19:07Yeah, okay.
19:07But it's what you want.
19:08Yeah.
19:08All right, and then I'll use some agave.
19:10Yeah.
19:11And we'll just do it.
19:11Make it a little sweet, right?
19:12Yeah.
19:13It's a little sweet.
19:13Sweet it up.
19:14You're like a sweet, sweet.
19:14Wait.
19:14I like it.
19:15I mean, I like it all right.
19:16I can do everything that count.
19:17Yeah.
19:17I do things on, I can do a four count sometimes.
19:18I'm more concerned with the amount of the alcohol.
19:20See, you're like doubling up.
19:22Get me there, Domingo.
19:23Okay, let me get you there.
19:24Exactly.
19:25I got some Cointreau here, too.
19:27Make me a Domingo.
19:29And I got some fresh lime juice here.
19:31And we'll just, you know, usually I measure everything, but I'm just doing it by sight
19:36right now.
19:36Yeah.
19:37And instinct and how lovely you want to be right now.
19:41I want to feel warm.
19:42Now I'm going to shake this baby.
19:43Shake it.
19:44Everybody shake it.
19:45Shake it.
19:45Shake it.
19:46Shake it.
19:46Shake it.
19:48Okay.
19:50And then we're going to pour this baby.
19:53Oh, I'm very excited.
19:54You need to pour it over ice, but I like mine straight up.
19:55Me, too.
19:56Because the ice melts and rinse it.
19:57It's going to melt and it's going to get you there.
19:59Don't ruin the chemistry.
20:00Yeah.
20:00Exactly.
20:01Yeah.
20:01And then we're just going to toast.
20:02Because you know what?
20:03This toast is, I want to toast you because I have loved coming on this show.
20:08Aw.
20:09I love every crew member that comes here.
20:13They're lovely.
20:13You have people who are lovely.
20:14They work hard.
20:15You've done such a supreme job.
20:17Thanks.
20:18I have loved being on this show.
20:20And I thank you.
20:20Congratulations to you.
20:22All right.
20:31Oh, damn.
20:32That's good, right?
20:34That's why he was smiling.
20:35Yeah.
20:36Exactly.
20:37Y'all had a good night.
20:37All right, everybody, give it up for Coleman Domingo.
20:42The new season of Euphoria is out now on HBO Max.
20:46And the movie Michael is in theater starting tomorrow.
20:48Patrick Ball from The Pit is here next.
20:50Hey.
21:03Welcome back, everybody.
21:05Although our next guest mastered the stage with performances and plays like Hamlet and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof,
21:10you probably know him best as a troubled but brilliant doctor on the insanely successful medical drama The Pit.
21:15I love it.
21:16The show has won pretty much every award out there, rightly so.
21:20Season two just had its finale last week.
21:23I'm not caught up.
21:24I hope he doesn't run it.
21:25You can see the whole thing now on HBO Max.
21:28You know what I saw in rehab?
21:31I saw a bunch of guys just like you.
21:33The only difference is they've accepted that they need help.
21:38I think you're afraid to admit that the mighty Dr. Rabinovich isn't perfect.
21:43Oh, I never claimed to be perfect.
21:45No.
21:46But you expect it of yourself, and it's not realistic, man.
21:51How can any of us live up to your standards if you can't even do it?
21:56You need help, Robbie.
21:59You need help.
22:01He's also making his Broadway debut right now, and as you saw at the Hayes Theater, please welcome Patrick Ball.
22:29I'm so excited, but don't run in for me because I'm not caught up.
22:33So don't tell me anything that will be a spoiler.
22:34Okay, okay.
22:36I'm in season two.
22:36I just don't want to, yeah.
22:37I love it so much.
22:39Did you realize when you first signed on for The Pit how successful this was going to be?
22:42So many people love it.
22:43Yeah, no idea.
22:44No idea.
22:45This is my first TV show, so I had really no, no...
22:49Wow, this is your first TV show?
22:51Yeah, yeah.
22:52I had done one episode of Law & Order, and then The Pit, and then The Pit.
22:58So I had like no point of reference for how this was supposed to feel.
23:01Well, just so you know, it's not normal to have...
23:03I mean, everyone loves this show.
23:05That's not normal.
23:06Usually, actors that come are like, you know, they've been on things that...
23:09This is like a great show to start with.
23:11Yeah, that's what I've been told.
23:12Yeah.
23:13That's what I've been told.
23:14Yeah.
23:14I'm like, that's an amazing first job for that.
23:17Yeah.
23:17Because you love theater, right?
23:18I mean, I spent the last, like, 15 years pretty much doing exclusively theater.
23:23Yeah.
23:24And I thought that was going to be my life.
23:25I have to say, man, you are so good in this.
23:28It was...
23:28It's such a great medical show.
23:30I'm generally not...
23:31I don't usually watch medical shows.
23:32That's not usually my vibe.
23:34But I watched it because Noah came on and I was like, okay, I'm going to...
23:37Respectful, obviously, you watch the thing.
23:38And I was like, I was addicted.
23:39I hated him.
23:40I was like, I could not stop watching it.
23:42I wanted to...
23:43It was so hard to not keep going.
23:45It was like 2 a.m.
23:46And I was cursing Noah Wiley.
23:48I was like, I...
23:48I was like, I couldn't...
23:50It's so addictive.
23:51It's so cool how it shot, too.
23:53It shot like a shift, basically.
23:56It's like one shift.
23:57Do you...
23:57This is what I find fascinating, too.
23:59You actors, you're so lucky.
24:01You get to learn from these brilliant people at the skills that...
24:03Whatever skill set you have that you're doing.
24:05So do you all have, like, real people on set to...
24:07Like, all these, like, things you're doing, these medical scenarios you're doing?
24:10Do you learn anything?
24:11Oh, yeah.
24:12Oh, yeah.
24:12I mean, we have Dr. Joe Sachs, who is our, like, chief medical director.
24:16He is a practicing ER physician.
24:18He was also one of the head writers on our show as well as on ER.
24:21Yeah.
24:21And so he has been double dipping in actual health care work.
24:26And television work for a very, very long time.
24:29And we've got a whole team of people that make sure that everything that we do is as authentic as
24:34possible.
24:35And that was a very clear priority and a clear gesture of the show from the beginning,
24:39was we wanted to make a medical show for people who work in the medical profession.
24:46Because I think we've seen a lot of these shows.
24:48And, you know, I come from a family of health care workers.
24:50I was going to say, both your parents are from that world.
24:52Yeah.
24:53My mom is a lifelong ER nurse.
24:54My dad is a lifelong paramedic.
24:56And so it did not occur to me until really the show came along just, like, how much they
25:03kept from me in order to be present for me as parents.
25:09And that sort of compartmentalization was something that was definitely my way into the show and into the character.
25:18And, you know, to this day, some of the most moving messages that I get, I get messages from partners
25:23of people that work in emergency rooms across the country.
25:28And they'll reach out and they'll write me a message and be like, hey, I just want to say thank
25:32you so much because this show has given me an insight into...
25:37It opens our eyes to what's actually going on.
25:39Yeah.
25:39And it has brought my relationship together.
25:41And I think those are the messages that I've gotten that have really, really let me know that we're sort
25:47of on the right track.
25:48Yeah.
25:49You know?
25:49Y'all do a great job.
25:50It's so, it's, you're respectful of the environment and it looks like you're respecting of what they do.
25:55And it's also great storytelling and how it's done, like, in one season.
25:59It's, it's really brilliant.
26:00Before we go, though, you're in, you're in another, you're in Broadway, right?
26:03So it's Becky Shaw, is it?
26:04What, what's it about?
26:05So it's Becky Shaw by Gina G and Fritos.
26:09And it is a savage, dark comedy about relationships.
26:14Love it.
26:15Okay.
26:16It's a classic, classic comedy set up of blind date, four strangers walk in and their lives are forever changed.
26:24But, um, it's, it's heavy and it, and it, and it's deep.
26:27And, you know, I think it's about love and it's about power and it's about class and it's about, uh,
26:32the question of, you know, can, uh, can love exist without transaction?
26:36No, that's, that's gotta be, I always talk to actors too about how y'all don't bring it home, man.
26:41Like how you don't bring that kind of heaviness home, uh, you know, doing it every night, especially on 30,
26:46y'all doing like eight shows a week, right?
26:47Yeah.
26:47That's a lot.
26:49You, are you good at compartmentalizing that?
26:50Uh, I think, I, I try to be, I try to be like over the course of eight months of,
26:55of filming the pit, like there is a, there is a cumulative effect that I am very, very grateful to
27:02my partner, Alicia for, for going through it with me.
27:04And being as, as generous and as patient as she is, she's, she's, I, it's been a hell of a
27:10roller coaster over the last year.
27:12Yeah.
27:12And she has made that possible for me.
27:14So I'm just incredibly thankful for her.
27:16Oh, that's incredible to have a partner that gets it.
27:17Yeah.
27:18Yeah.
27:19Oh, understanding.
27:19That's amazing.
27:20All right.
27:20We have to stop and pay bills.
27:22So, um, we're going to take a little break.
27:24Seasons one and two of the pit are available on HBO max.
27:27It's so good.
27:28Y'all got to check it out.
27:29If you aren't already addicted.
27:30Um, and if you're in New York, go see Patrick and Becky Shaw at the Hayes Theater, second stage on
27:35Broadway.
27:35Tickets are available online.
27:37Ari Lennox is back to chat with us next.
27:39We'll stay right here.
27:40There you go.
27:54Welcome back, y'all.
27:55You heard our next guest perform at the top of the show.
27:57She's a hugely talented singer-songwriter who released her hit debut album, Shea Butter Baby, back in 2019 before earning
28:04a Grammy nomination that same year.
28:06Her latest album, Vacancy, is out now wherever you buy music.
28:10Please welcome back to the stage Ari Lennox.
28:33I love this outfit.
28:36You're so rock and roll.
28:37Thank you so much.
28:39Jeremy styled me.
28:39Oh, my God, great job.
28:41Yeah, I love that we have people that will do that because I'm not stylish at all.
28:44Me neither.
28:45I look a mess often.
28:46I know.
28:47I look like a mom with a mom bun.
28:49But anyway, do you remember, though, like when I hear a voice like yours, it feels so innate, like your
28:53runs, just your vibe, your flow, how you carry yourself in a song.
28:57It feels like you've been doing this since you were so young.
28:59Like, do you remember your first performance?
29:00Oh, yeah.
29:02Thank you, by the way.
29:04In elementary school, I had this lovely teacher named Mr. Ring, and he saw something in me.
29:10He was my music teacher.
29:11He saw something in me, and he was like, you know what?
29:15I think I want to teach you the Star Spangled Banner.
29:18And so he worked with me for maybe weeks, and then I performed it.
29:22That's a rangy song.
29:24Yeah, at an assembly.
29:25Yeah, exactly.
29:25A very hard song.
29:26I would never try now.
29:28But you should.
29:29Oh, my God, you sound amazing at it.
29:30It's daunting.
29:31It is.
29:32You know what it is?
29:33I don't know if you've done this, but you always worry if you're acapella.
29:36You're like, don't start too high.
29:38That's what I, exactly.
29:40But wait.
29:40But one time I started too low because I was so worried about starting too high.
29:44It was like my Toni Braxton version of the Star Spangled Banner.
29:47But that's beautiful.
29:48No, it's not when you're not Toni Braxton.
29:50Come on.
29:50Yes, it is.
29:51But your high register is flawless.
29:54It's a rangy song, though, but you're very nice.
29:56I heard that you were kind of a wild child.
29:59Were you?
29:59I was a wild child.
30:00I was a wallflower.
30:01Really?
30:01What was being wild like?
30:03Oh, well, in preschool, I used to eat ants.
30:06What?
30:07I don't know why.
30:08Were they like chocolate covered at least?
30:10They weren't.
30:10Well, they were dark brown, but they kind of had a spicy, lemony, citrus taste.
30:19I love this.
30:19I don't know why I did it.
30:22That's like pregnant women, you know?
30:24When we're pregnant, we have weird things, like dirt will taste good.
30:27It's weird.
30:27But in preschool, why?
30:29I don't know.
30:30You know?
30:30I had a friend that liked glue.
30:32Whoa.
30:33Like she, I know.
30:34I don't know where she's at right now.
30:35Wait.
30:36But yeah, you know how you did play with the glue?
30:39But then she'd eat it.
30:40And I was like, I don't know.
30:41I used to taste it, too.
30:43Yeah, I didn't do that.
30:44And maybe that's why I act a mess sometimes.
30:47It was the ants.
30:48It was the glue.
30:49Yeah.
30:50All of that.
30:50You know what I see that as though?
30:51You're willing to try it?
30:52Don't knock it till you try it?
30:55That's brave.
30:55You're brave.
30:56So wait, now you are, I love this conversation.
31:00Thank you, me too.
31:00We did not mean to go here, but we did.
31:03We have to.
31:03So tell me about the new album.
31:05Oh, it's amazing.
31:06It encompasses just lots of soul.
31:10It's called Vacancy.
31:12So it's about that void that needs to be filled, whether romantic or platonic.
31:17So yeah.
31:17Yeah.
31:18It's real freaky.
31:19Yeah.
31:20It's a little nasty.
31:21Yeah, but you're like, that's okay, though.
31:24That's okay, though.
31:25Well, there's billions of people in the world.
31:26So like, clearly, someone's having a lot of sex.
31:29Yeah.
31:31I feel like R.B. and Country are nice cousins in the sense that like, they're not afraid to
31:35get a little, not cheesy, but go there like love-wise.
31:38And they're not afraid to like, say what you really want to say sometimes.
31:41Exactly.
31:41And I think that that's really nice and raw and authentic, and it's refreshing.
31:45Me too.
31:46Me too.
31:46Yeah.
31:47And especially when it's paired with such a lovely tone like yours.
31:50But you sang Mobbin in D.C. earlier, so why'd you choose that one?
31:54That's my baby.
31:55It's the intro to the record, to the album, and I love Neil Soul.
31:59I grew up listening to it.
32:01I adore legends like Erykah Badu, Lettucey, just phenomenal singers.
32:06And so I just wanted to be true to myself on a beautiful beat, and I wanted to shout out
32:11to my city, D.C.
32:12Love you, D.C.
32:13Yeah.
32:14Man, how you sing, I love how you sing too, because you're an actress as well.
32:19I love watching singers that are also actors.
32:21Oh, thank you.
32:22Like you're on stage, and it's like you're telling the story with every part of your soul
32:25and your physical being.
32:26It's really beautiful to watch.
32:28I appreciate that.
32:28Congratulations on all the success.
32:31We have to take a quick break.
32:32Ari's album is called Vacancy, and the single is Mobbin in D.C.
32:35Both are available wherever you buy your music, and you can catch her on tour right now.
32:39Go online for tickets.
32:40Nothing is better than seeing and feeling something live in person.
33:04We're back, and Fallout has been one of Prime Video's most successful series to date.
33:09The post-apocalyptic dramedy features Kyle MacLachlan, who's no stranger to surreal projects.
33:14He came by a couple months ago, along with his co-star Aaron Moten, and I had to know
33:19why and how he got a very specific nickname.
33:21It's a part of the interview we couldn't actually fit in our original episode, so you're welcome
33:25in advance.
33:25We're sharing it now.
33:27Is it true younger people nickname you Baby Girl on social media?
33:32Of course.
33:33Why do they call you Baby Girl?
33:35Well, it's slang.
33:37It's Gen Z slang.
33:38It means really that at this moment, you're sort of the center of attention.
33:42You know how a baby is always a center of attention, a baby girl.
33:45So, yeah, I had to learn that.
33:46Okay.
33:47When I first...
33:47What did you think when you first heard it?
33:49When I first heard it, I was like, I'm in trouble.
33:50Yeah.
33:51I've done something wrong here.
33:53But then I came to understand, and I evolved.
33:57Yeah.
33:58My Gen Z brain evolved, and now I am able to speak Gen Z, so it's all that.
34:01I can't wait to introduce you next time you're on this show and go, give it up for Baby Girl!
34:06Yay!
34:10You walk out, and people are like, what?
34:12What?
34:13I wasn't expecting that.
34:14So, wait, I'm going to come back to wine, because you started with wine.
34:17You were really into wine.
34:18So are you, right?
34:19You have your own wine, right?
34:20Yeah, I make wine.
34:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:22Pursued by Bear.
34:22Pursued by Bear.
34:23We talked about that last time.
34:24We share a passion for it.
34:25Yes.
34:26Yeah.
34:26We share a passion for this.
34:28You, Aaron, has a knowledge of wine that's much broader and deeper than mine, and he really
34:33understands Old World really, really well.
34:36Okay.
34:36I'm a New World guy.
34:37I'm sort of like that's a New World, you know, California, Oregon, Washington.
34:40But that's what I don't know.
34:41So we are very good.
34:42So go to a restaurant together with us, you're going to drink well.
34:45Yeah.
34:45Whether it's New World or Old World.
34:47I really do prefer European and French.
34:50Yeah.
34:50Yeah.
34:51Yeah.
34:51I like how they make it.
34:52I went on a tour.
34:53You ever do the things when you tour?
34:55Yeah.
34:55It's not just like the thing when they, you know.
34:57Not just the tasting.
34:58Yeah, the tasting.
34:58Yeah, they take you behind.
34:59That is the cool thing sometimes when you're in the limelight.
35:01They're like, you want to do this fancy thing?
35:02I'm like, yeah, I sure do.
35:04And they take you, and I love how they make it.
35:07Because I don't have a headache when I drink French wine.
35:09No.
35:09Yeah.
35:10Yeah.
35:10It'll treat you well.
35:11I know.
35:12You wake up kind of feeling good.
35:13It's like a French lover.
35:14Yeah.
35:15Yeah.
35:15Yeah.
35:16What's your favorite?
35:17What's your favorite kind?
35:18Merceau.
35:19Merceau might be my favorite.
35:20It's a white burgundy.
35:22Okay.
35:22I mean, Merceau, you got to know this.
35:24It's all Chardonnay that I'm talking about.
35:25But like, they name it off of the place.
35:27I don't know what you're talking about.
35:28Like that.
35:29Yeah, they name them after the little villages they come from.
35:32Yeah.
35:32They're usually combining grapes together.
35:34So, you know, Merceau, Charms, it's like two different towns being put together.
35:40See, I'm learning.
35:40When did you get into wine?
35:42Oh, uh, COVID.
35:46I was like, what do I do with all this time?
35:52I should probably drink.
35:54I should probably drink.
35:55No, I actually, I was living in Iceland.
35:57My wife is from Iceland.
35:58That's cool.
35:59Yeah, so I spent five years in Iceland and that's how we also have three daughters.
36:03Yeah.
36:08What do we do with all this time?
36:10You know what?
36:10You're productive.
36:11That's what I like to see.
36:12We were productive.
36:13Very big.
36:13We were productive.
36:14But now it was, you know, you have a smaller selection in Iceland.
36:17So I actually went in one day and I was like, I think I could drink all of this.
36:21Yeah.
36:22Challenge accepted.
36:23I could put all this away.
36:25A big thank you to Kyle and Erin and you can see all episodes of Fallout streaming on Prime Video.
36:30We'll be right back with What I'm Liking.
36:46All right, let's finish up with one last fun story.
36:49This is what I'm liking.
36:53A California professor always thought it would be best to pursue a traditional career.
36:57So he studied communications and sociology.
36:59He now teaches at two different colleges.
37:02Recently, though, he returned to a hobby on the side.
37:05A surprising juxtaposition to his professional life.
37:08Check it out.
37:08Shake, shake, shake, shake it.
37:10Shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it.
37:15Shake it, shake it, don't break it.
37:18Money to make, I'ma make it.
37:20So damn real, can't fake it.
37:22So bold, so blatant.
37:25Grab so hard on the pavement.
37:27Yeah.
37:30His videos are here today on social media with millions of views across all platforms.
37:35And we have him on the line right now.
37:36Let's say hi to Professor Twan watching on NBC Los Angeles.
37:40What's up?
37:41Oh, my God.
37:43Hi, Kelly.
37:46You are why I love watching dancers, man.
37:49You are in your, you're just in your best moment.
37:52You're so comfortable in your skin.
37:54Your tongue plays such a character in what you're doing.
37:57Oh, man.
37:58Dance has always been a passion for you, right?
38:00Yeah.
38:01Um, I've always loved performing since I was a kid.
38:04And then when I was a community college student at Shafee College, which is where I currently teach us as
38:09well, I was like, let's give dancing a try.
38:13Yeah.
38:13But then when I, you know, pursue graduate school, I just thought to myself, like, I wasn't going to be
38:19able to manage dancing and grad studies.
38:22And so after seven years of dance training, I just stopped.
38:27Well, fast forward to almost 10 years later, I, you know, gained a little weight from grad school and COVID
38:34-19 pandemic and just felt out of shape and was like, how do I get active again and get back
38:39in shape?
38:40And I was like, dance, like, go back to dancing.
38:42And so I signed up for a hip-hop dance class early last year in 2025.
38:48And what started as one class turned into five to ten classes per week.
38:54And then now I teach during the day.
38:56And then in the evening from 6 to 10 p.m., I'm just dancing my life away at a couple
39:01of different dance studios.
39:02I love it.
39:03I got to ask, what are the kids in your class saying?
39:06Like, do they see this?
39:07Uh, I haven't told them yet.
39:09But, uh, although once they watch this, uh, they're going to find out.
39:14But I have formal students from a couple of years back when I was, like, a teaching assistant and just
39:19getting started.
39:20They've come across my content and they've been pretty surprised seeing me.
39:24Yeah.
39:25Oh, yeah.
39:26I mean.
39:26But we'll see how the current students feel once they see it.
39:30I love the, I mean, I can't even imagine being your student and seeing you all, like, prim and proper.
39:37And then, like, finding this at night on the internet.
39:41Like, that would be incredible.
39:43And also just way to live your best life, man.
39:47Just, like, feeling good in your body and wanting to work out.
39:50But do something you love to get that extra weight off.
39:52That's amazing.
39:53It's a good thing.
39:53Thank you so much, Twan.
39:55I'm liking your post right now.
39:56But that's not all.
39:57Our season-long partner, Pilot Pen, makers of Precise, the go-to Precise Pen of the Kelly Clarkson Show,
40:01want to celebrate those who find beauty in life's little moments.
40:04So, because they actually are big things, right?
40:06So, they're going to be writing you a check for $1,000, my man.
40:12Oh, my gosh.
40:14Thank you for joining us.
40:16Keep dancing.
40:18Thank you to all our guests this hour.
40:20Colin Deneasel, Patrick Ball, Ari Lennox, Kyle McLaughlin, and Aaron Moten.
40:24Y'all have a great day.
40:25And it's not dancing.
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