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00:05you wish you would know what lies after life yeah what heaven is like I always said if I
00:13had to die I want to be buried right where there's children I want them next to me I
00:20would feel safer that way I need their spirit to protect me
00:38no wonder they're protecting you from I see them as protection I see them as like angels
01:06Michael Jackson is back in court for what could be the most crucial phase of his trial on child
01:11abuse charges a key prosecution witness is expected to testify today we needed to put
01:20Gavin's mother on the witness stand Jen was intelligent not well educated but intelligent
01:28and had a very good memory of events this is someone who is a guest at Michael Jackson's ranch
01:36during the period of time that he engaged in the alleged molestations and they were worried about
01:43her she was capable of blowing a whistle in a way that could be very harmful for them
01:50Gavin's mother is a key witness and some observers believe the outcome of this trial could hinge on
01:56her testimony throughout the trial I had to give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt
02:07that's what a defendant has a right to not guilty until proven guilty but I thought when Janet Arvizo got
02:18on the stand that she would be convincing enough to make things look bad for Michael Jackson I wanted
02:27the jury to know that when Janet was in Neverland she was very distrusting of what was going on they
02:34were continuously trying to separate her from the children she told the jury that she's relegated to
02:42one of the guest cottages on the property her sons are in the house in his room the front door
02:51is locked so her kids are no longer
02:54with her and she doesn't have access to them and you couldn't just walk into his bedroom unannounced
03:02there's there's a combination lock in the access to the bedroom suite and then you walk down a
03:10hallway and the hallway had chimes in it they were activated by a motion detector so he would hear chimes
03:18going off if somebody was walking down the hallway do you think Janet knew that her son was being
03:25I asked her that many times she certainly had concerns he reached the point where she knew she just had
03:33to get out of there and she had to get her kids out of there but she just wasn't allowed
03:39to leave
03:42to keep her and the kids on Neverland they were telling her they're killers who want to do harm to
03:48her
03:48children you need to stay here very quiet and everybody settle thank you Janet told the jury she was
03:57compelled to do this video by Michael Jackson's people because they knew that the Bashir documentary
04:03was a problem for him so they had the whole family sitting in chairs talking about how wonderful Michael
04:09Jackson was but it was a tape that they did deliberately to be able to use in the contingent
04:18of this happening where there was an arrest where there was a prosecution
04:23my responsibility of a mother is to make sure that my children are in safe safety
04:35they were controlling her and where she went and what she did and who she talked to
04:40you know they were desperate to keep this under the carpet
04:48the stories by these accusers were extraordinarily convincing
04:52Michael what was it like seeing the bus muttering at you
04:55I'm sorry I can't comment
04:57sorry I can't comment
05:00was she kidnapped absolutely not
05:03most false fabrication you ever heard in your life
05:10most of the jurors were really taken aback by what Janet said on the witness stand
05:16but I think they were not totally convinced that the allegation was true
05:30none of it computed none of it made sense to me
05:35my family's visit to Neverland coincided with the Arvizo family
05:44we said hello to them and we got to know them and their kids seemed like really friendly
05:49Gavin thank God seemed healthy which was a really good thing
05:53and I spoke to his mother and she explained to me the journey they had been on
05:56I felt that they were very happy to be at Neverland
06:00Gavin was completely normal and there was no weirdness with his family
06:05so none of this stuff makes sense
06:14I am subpoenaed by the prosecution to testify
06:20about what I saw at Neverland
06:25his name is Rudy Provencio
06:26he reportedly has kept diaries and logs about some of the weirdness and things that he thought wasn't quite right
06:34I was fearful and anxious
06:36but I didn't see anything wrong with just telling the truth of what I know
06:42especially when a child might have been violated in some way
06:47it's a person's responsibility
06:51I told the jury
06:52I had overheard a conversation that is being told to the mother
06:57that these killers could be out there to get you and you have to be careful
07:02you need protection
07:05it was obvious to me that they were worried that the Arvizos were going to talk
07:09and make the problem worse for Michael
07:17One of the witnesses that I remember quite clearly was Rudy Provencio
07:23I totally believed him
07:26thought he was telling the truth about his feelings about the Arvizos
07:32and that they were being held at the ranch
07:38Rudy was a compelling witness
07:42and not only that
07:44we found a tape
07:45where they recorded the call
07:48and they told her there are killers who are out there who want to do harm
07:52The DA revealed today that he can actually corroborate some of the points she claimed
07:56so a lot of the stories she tells seems to be true
07:59I told Michael, I said, Michael, if you had done this
08:03it makes you a freakazoid
08:06it makes you horrible
08:09he says, I know, Brian
08:11Michael said, Brian, I didn't do those things
08:14never, never
08:16Brian, show them it's not true
08:18tell them, tell the world
08:20I told Michael I would overturn every stone
08:23and I did
08:26Michael Jackson's defense team
08:28got a hold of every record dealing with the entire family
08:33not just Gavin, but everyone
08:36so any job application that their mother had ever applied for
08:41they were able to get their hands on it
08:43medical records, they got their hands on
08:47Gavin, of course, had been horribly sick and undergone surgery
08:51they had all of his medical records as well
08:55they had the gynecological records of his sister
08:58who at the time was 15 years old
09:01there was no piece of paper that they ever generated
09:04that they weren't going to get their hands on
09:05there was nothing in their lifetime
09:08that they weren't going to know about
09:13the mother was getting welfare from the Los Angeles County
09:18Bureau of Welfare
09:20when you apply for welfare
09:23you must do a full welfare application
09:27and I sat in my office
09:29looking at this going, oh my
09:31oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my
09:34talk about a gold mine
09:37Michael Jackson's defense team gets its first chance today
09:40to cross-examine the mother of the pop star's main accuser
09:44the documents showed repeated, continuous falsity
09:50concealing the money that Michael spent
09:52taking him to day spas, getting him bikini waxed
09:55buying this and paying that
09:58and, and, and luxury dinners
10:00they concealed it all
10:02they lied to welfare
10:05and, you won't believe what they did before
10:08the jury heard
10:10she made previous accusations of sexual assault
10:12claiming security guards at this JCPenney store
10:15quote, followed them into the mall parking lot
10:18and proceeded to beat them
10:20and that a tower records security guard
10:22quote, joined the fracas
10:23sexually assaulted her
10:26the family had claimed
10:27that they were molested
10:29by a security guard at JCPenney
10:32and the guard just said
10:34oh, you gotta be kidding
10:36JCPenney's parted with $152,000
10:40and all of this was concealed from welfare
10:44they're just defrauding everybody they can defraud
10:48and when Michael Jackson brought this family
10:52into his fold
10:54this was a moment of opportunity
10:57that they took
10:59to bring down
11:00the greatest, biggest superstar
11:03in the world
11:06this was all a scam
11:18the defense
11:20was painting the accusers family as grifters
11:24as people who went after celebrities for money
11:29what I've learned covering trials
11:31is that the best lawyers are good storytellers
11:34and if they tell a story that the jury can picture
11:37and absorb and go, uh-huh, I get that
11:40that is damning
11:50they were trying to show that she was just looking for a payday
11:55I knew it wasn't true
11:58but this was what Michael Jackson would do
12:00discredit the mothers of these children
12:04even as Michael Jackson through the course of the trial
12:07was becoming frail and more gaunt and thinner
12:11it looked like the chances of him
12:13walking away a free man
12:15were increasing
12:16with every disastrous prosecution witness
12:31next month
12:32Wade Robson leaves his hometown of Brisbane
12:34for Los Angeles
12:35where he'll live with the reclusive millionaire entertainer
12:41what's the thing you most want to do then?
12:44stay with Michael forever
12:45really?
12:47alright
12:48I understood the importance of being able to locate other victims
12:52and of course, Wade Robson was at the top of the list
12:56because we knew that he had been involved with Michael Jackson for years
13:01we were absolutely convinced that he was a victim
13:04even though he had not come forward and disclosed it
13:09Wade Robson was a successful choreographer
13:11and Jackson was instrumental in getting his career going
13:15thank you Brandy
13:18we reached out to him hoping that he would testify
13:22and he said no
13:25there was another young boy from Australia
13:28Brett Barnes
13:29who traveled with him throughout Europe and South America over a year
13:34but he wouldn't testify
13:37Jimmy saved Chuck
13:38we believed he was a victim
13:41but he wouldn't come forward either
13:43so we needed the cooperation of all of them
13:45and we had the cooperation of none of them
13:49but you know I understand
13:52I handled the number of child molest cases over the years
13:55it's a tough thing
13:57for kids to come forward and publicly talk about having been victim of sex crime
14:02and they disclose when they disclose
14:05and there's nothing we can do to speed up that process
14:09Michael! Innocent! Michael! Innocent!
14:13We also understood that it's not easy being an accuser of Michael Jackson
14:18it's not easy dealing with his fans
14:20there are multitudes of them and they can be vicious
14:23Michael! Innocent!
14:26I was getting death threats on a regular basis
14:29saying I know where you live
14:30I know where your children are
14:32I know your wife's name
14:33I'm going to kill all of them
14:35I mean it was horrible
14:37Michael! Innocent! Michael! Innocent!
14:40There's an absurdity
14:42and almost like a cult-like following
14:45people who love Michael Jackson
14:47they defended him to the teeth
14:49you know they referred to him more like a god
14:55he trained his fans to be his soldiers
15:00there's no question
15:01his behavior his idea that he was such a victim
15:05and he needed this protection
15:08his fans bought it
15:10hook, line and sinker
15:11and boy oh boy did they ever come to his defense
15:17what do you feel now that the public is fickle?
15:21that the loyal ones
15:23that no matter what they're there man
15:26they're thick and thin
15:27they're right there with you
15:28and you feel unconditional love from them?
15:31yeah
15:33they have been loyal
15:35they'll fight you about me
15:43it's been a white knuckle ride but now 43 days after it started the prosecution has rested its case
15:50and it's time now for Michael Jackson to tell his side of the story
15:56the prosecution had said that Wade Robson was molested by Michael Jackson
16:05I had called Wade he was in Australia
16:09Wade
16:11you've got to come and testify
16:13Brian I have told everybody it's not true
16:16I wasn't molested
16:17I'm not coming no I'm not setting foot anywhere near this
16:22I must have called him at least six times
16:26finally he says you're a persistent man
16:28I says yes I am Wade
16:33the first witness for the defense was Wade Robson
16:36it's interesting because Wade Robson has said that he declined and then was subpoenaed by the defense
16:44but when he did take the stand he was a very strong witness
16:49Wade Robson told jurors he first met Jackson at age 5 and shared a bed with him more than 20
16:55times until he was 14
16:58he got up in that court room
17:01and he said Michael Jackson never molested me
17:03Michael Jackson never put his hands any place that they weren't supposed to be
17:08Michael Jackson never harmed me
17:10Michael Jackson did not commit child molestation with me
17:16uncanny testimony fabulous
17:21that was a problem for us
17:22because we were we were really hammering on the fact that he was a victim and he's up there saying
17:27I'm not
17:29I'm telling you it didn't happen
17:30the second defense witness Brett Barnes said the same thing adding I can tell you that if he had I
17:37wouldn't be here
17:39did they do a good job
17:42oh my you betcha
17:51the defense has now presented its witness list and there are some big Hollywood heavy hitters on there
17:59when this started a lot of people felt that this was an open and shut case
18:04but it became a soap opera as they say but really a soap opera on steroids
18:14the prosecution was claiming that Michael's employee saw Michael put his hands up Macaulay Culkin's pants and play with his
18:22privates
18:26okay well what does Mac say what does Macaulay Culkin's say
18:31one of the most anticipated witnesses in the Michael Jackson case took the stand today
18:37Macaulay Culkin denied it and to this day denies that he was molested by Michael Jackson
18:41I you know I remembered cross-examining Macaulay Culkin and
18:45and and he's an actor you know and so everything has a certain flair to it
18:50his appearance his fame his celebrity he was just an extraordinarily effective witness
18:59we live in a celebrity driven society and people are really attracted to celebrities
19:06they're mesmerized by them so that certainly happened at the trial and I'm sure the jury was impacted too
19:17during the trial
19:19Gavin's mind was completely scrambled
19:22and it was heartbreaking
19:26they were just stuck in this apartment for months and months
19:30there was a school
19:31people
19:33out the window
19:34and they just look at the kids going
19:38hey they just wanted to be in school
19:40this was this was really tough on everybody
19:47Gavin was by himself in that trial
19:50he was literally by himself
19:53and it made it was very burdensome for him it was very challenging
19:57but he was courageous and he never told us I'm not going to do it I can't do it this
20:03is just ruining my life
20:05but he understood the importance of it at 15 he understood his obligation to do it
20:15the trial had raised a lot of doubts in my mind anyway
20:20so I wanted to talk to Gavin
20:23I wanted to you know get a chance to talk to him myself
20:27you know obviously all was off the record and
20:31I didn't report it because you know I wanted to respect
20:34his privacy
20:36he says you know the world has me all wrong
20:39he says you know I enjoyed my time with him
20:42you know I just the things he did was wrong
20:47he hurt me
20:48and I just thought wow
20:51you know this kid is telling me that this grown man
20:54this international icon
20:57heard him
20:59I couldn't help but to believe him
21:00I had I found no reason not to believe him
21:07Michael are you happy the case is almost over?
21:09His silence will be maintained
21:12it's now certain that Michael Jackson won't be taking the witness stand in his own defense
21:20just as it seemed that this case was drawing quietly to an end
21:23there is word of a possible dramatic finale
21:27months before the trial actually started
21:30the police had interviewed Gavin
21:33and I wanted the jury to see it
21:37because I think if you watch that it's very hard for somebody to watch that and say oh yeah they're
21:42making the whole thing up
21:44he said that he wanted to show me how to masturbate
21:47he wanted to show you how to masturbate?
21:50yeah
21:50ok ok
21:51and then I said no
21:55then he said you do it for me
21:57ok
22:00and did he do it for you?
22:07he
22:07he
22:07he
22:10he
22:12he put his hand in my pants
22:14did he put it on the outside?
22:16inside
22:16inside?
22:17and what did he do next?
22:19he started masturbating me
22:22ok
22:24then
22:27after war I told him I didn't want to do that
22:29did he stop?
22:30I told him not
22:32and he kept on doing it
22:36if there was a smoking gun in the whole case
22:39that was Gavin's interview with the sheriff's department
22:44I had really been convinced that Gavin was telling the truth
22:49um
22:49others
22:50on the jury
22:52saw this as not being the case at all
22:55a lot of people in that courtroom were very moved by that video
22:58and so
22:59I gotta tell you Jim
23:00go ahead
23:01a lot of people were moved by that video
23:03but
23:04a lot of people thought the kid was acting
23:07you know
23:08I suppose there's reasonable doubt that he made it up
23:11or he was
23:12he was told by Janet to
23:15uh
23:17tell the sheriff's department that he had been molested
23:20it just didn't come across that way to me
23:25he
23:27absolutely looked believable
23:34Michael's innocent!
23:36Michael's innocent!
23:37after 14 weeks of often lurid testimony
23:40Michael Jackson's trial is now entering its most crucial phase
23:45in Santa Maria, California tonight
23:47it's all in the hands of the jury now
23:50eight women, four men
23:51on the Michael Jackson jury
23:53will decide whether or not he is guilty of child molestation
23:58I was worried about the jury
24:01I had complete faith in everything Gavin was saying
24:06and I
24:06there was never a question in my mind
24:09as to the honesty or accuracy of his statements
24:13never
24:14but this was an international superstar
24:16one of the most powerful men in the world
24:19and that changes the equation
24:22no matter what humanitarian actions
24:24no matter what joy and entertainment he brought to the world
24:27um, if Michael was harming children
24:29he was a monster
24:31but he was not a monster
24:32he didn't do any of those things
24:34there are people here from more than 28 countries reporting on the trial
24:38hotel rooms are booked within a 40-mile radius
24:41special fences and security have been brought in
24:43and the fan contingent continues to grow as well
24:46the fan presence was there from beginning to end
24:49and they were vociferous
24:52those are the hardcore Michael Jackson fans from around the world
24:58Innocent! Innocent!
25:00Michael had encouraged his family
25:02and by extension his fans to wear white
25:05saying that he was innocent
25:07but I thought at the very least
25:09it's going to be a hung jury
25:11but they'll probably get a conviction
25:12he could face nearly 20 years in prison
25:16if the jury comes back guilty
25:17Jackson will be off to Corcoran State Prison's
25:20Protective Housing Unit
25:21home to among others
25:23convicted murderer Charles Manson
25:26Michael was feeling
25:29frightened
25:30you're the biggest star in the world
25:33you
25:34you have magic that nobody else has
25:37and you are scared to death
25:40your life is coming to an end
25:43and I said to him
25:44I said Michael, we're going to win
25:46do you understand?
25:48we're going to win
25:50he says, Brian, I'm so scared
25:52I don't think so
25:54transmission, can you hear me?
25:56can anyone hear me?
25:58Edgar, they're on the head
26:00come with me, it's okay
26:03there is breaking news
26:04that the jury in Santa Maria, California
26:06has sent word that it has reached a verdict
26:10they announced that they had a verdict
26:13and it would be presented in the courtroom in two hours
26:19he drove up the freeway from Neverland Ranch
26:22and the convoy of cars and fans behind him
26:27was unbelievable
26:30his motorcade, as you see from this helicopter shot live
26:34left his so-called Neverland Ranch within the past 30 minutes
26:39in the car, you had Michael in the middle
26:42and Latoya on the right
26:44and she prayed with him
26:47dear Lord
26:47take care of your child, Michael Jackson
26:53he is your servant, Lord
26:57he does your bidding
27:00protect him, defend him
27:02and Michael is stoic
27:05he doesn't say a word
27:13outside the courtroom was a zoo
27:15I've never seen anything like that before
27:26Gavin was not there, it felt like too much to take on
27:32if he's found guilty
27:33it'll be a journey not back to Neverland
27:35but straight to prison
27:54we're in a waiting game now
28:00by the way, we should point out that the local police department
28:03has dispatched a number of officers
28:04trained to watch for potential suicidal behavior
28:08on the part of some of these fans
28:15we can hear our producer
28:17he is opening each ballot one at a time
28:20I'm told the room is very silent
28:29but some of them John
28:30Trent Copeland, I'm sorry, we have to interrupt you
28:31because we're beginning to hear a little bit of audio
28:34coming from the courtroom
28:37the microphone's on
28:38hold on
28:44with the hearing
28:44Superior Court of the State of California
28:46count one, verdict
28:48neither jury in the above entitled case
28:50find the defendant not guilty
28:57count two, verdict
28:59not guilty
29:00not guilty!
29:08Count three verdict, not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child.
29:24The clerk read it.
29:26Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.
29:31Not guilty on all ten counts.
29:37I always believed in him.
29:39I would not have come here if Michael Jackson was guilty of these crimes.
29:42I believed in him and I fought for him.
29:44Michael Jackson is now free.
29:47This case is over.
29:49This is an all-out vindication for Michael Jackson and his supporters.
29:59Michael got up.
30:02Everyone congratulated everyone.
30:05Didn't say a word.
30:07Turned around and he walked out.
30:14There he is, the first look at Michael Jackson after his acquittal on all ten counts.
30:30Clearly this jury did not buy that these people were telling the truth.
30:36There's no doubt about it.
30:37The defense said this family, this mother, wanted to ride the gravy train.
30:43Jurors realized that, you know, in the celebrity land of Michael Jackson, people do get accused of things that they
30:50haven't done.
30:52Your reaction to the news, Stacey?
30:56Well, Brian, I'm stunned.
30:58And I really thought that there was going to be a couple of convictions there.
31:03He's dodged a bullet.
31:06I truly felt that Michael Jackson was a child molester.
31:11I felt that then and I haven't changed my mind now.
31:14But the problem was proving it.
31:19And the jury had a hard time believing the Arvizos.
31:27We got Gavin on the phone.
31:30And Gavin, poor, poor Gavin.
31:33I just remember that voice.
31:36And why didn't they believe me?
31:38Why didn't they believe me?
31:53It was over.
31:59We would talk about Michael going through the fire.
32:04Or the book of Daniel.
32:06And I said, Michael, you are being tested by fire, Michael.
32:15As it turns out, this trial hurt him.
32:21It hurt him badly.
32:31He never went back to Neverland.
32:39It was spoiled.
32:40It was ruined.
32:41It was defiled.
32:44It was no longer the place of dreams.
32:47It was no longer the place of dreams.
32:53So I think it was three days after the verdict,
32:57Michael got in his limousine to LAX,
33:02to Bahrain.
33:07Michael Jackson turned up at a Bahrain shopping mall,
33:11hiding his face behind a veil and wearing a black robe
33:14traditionally worn by Middle Eastern women.
33:16He became what even his family described as a vagabond.
33:22Michael and his kids would go from place to place,
33:26anywhere he could find a home.
33:29He was lost.
33:31Michael was lost.
33:32Last night, his crown was looking distinctly tarnished.
33:35Amid the adulation, the clear sound of booing.
33:42Michael hated being hated.
33:45He disliked being disliked.
33:47He took it very personally.
33:49He was very fragile in that regard.
33:50He was used to being loved.
33:51But, um, at that time,
33:55he really was very unhappy at how hated he felt.
34:06Michael Jackson finally came back to Las Vegas.
34:11But he was a broken man.
34:16There was tremendous financial problems.
34:19And also,
34:21it's believed that his drug problems continued to mount.
34:28There were terrible reports I got that Michael was using medications.
34:34And the family staged an intervention.
34:39Well, no, no, no.
34:40I got this under control.
34:42I'm not addicted.
34:43I'm not, I go, whatever, Michael.
34:45I tried.
34:46I tried, too.
34:52After the trial,
34:53Gavin was a different person.
34:56He was very different.
34:57He was subdued.
35:00I would take him out driving.
35:03We would just kind of process everything that had gone on.
35:09It just was tough.
35:11Things were tough.
35:13They had all changed their names to go back to school.
35:17But, uh,
35:20some of the Michael Jackson fans had discovered their aliases
35:24and sort of outed them on MySpace.
35:30He became extremely depressed.
35:34It was very, very difficult for him to picture a life for himself.
35:52Michael believed that if he could perform again,
35:56that he would gain strength from his fans.
36:03Because his livelihood and his life was the stage.
36:13I love you.
36:16I really do.
36:17You have to know that.
36:18I love you so much.
36:21Michael suddenly agrees to do 50 concerts.
36:24See you in July.
36:2950, Michael couldn't get out of bed in the morning.
36:32He was taking all this crap and all these drugs,
36:35and 50, whoever got him to agree to that?
36:39The only thing that was going to do was put so much pressure on him
36:42that he would up the drug intake.
36:49We were concerned that the phones were being disconnected.
36:52Mrs. Jackson had indicated at one point she hadn't spoken to him in 12 weeks.
36:58Every time she tried calling, the line was disconnected.
37:02Well, that's the same thing that was happening to us.
37:05But I don't think anybody really thought it was anything very sinister going on.
37:35When I heard that, I was shocked.
37:39I'm like, that's pure bullshit.
37:41Somebody took a video, somebody took a recording and put it on slow motion.
37:46That didn't even sound right.
37:55Okay, how old is he?
37:56He's 50 years old, sir.
37:59He's unconscious, he's not breathing.
38:01Yes, he's not breathing, sir.
38:03Where's he at right now?
38:04He's on the bed, sir.
38:05But he's not responding to CPR or anything.
38:11I went to the emergency room, and inside the emergency room was the family.
38:18I saw them.
38:18I saw Mrs. Jackson.
38:20I saw Mr. Jackson.
38:22And I was looking through the window.
38:26And they're in the background.
38:28They're pumping somebody's chest.
38:32I said, oh, my, oh, my.
38:39Michael Jackson is dead at the age of 50.
39:02What I felt was absolute, infernal rage.
39:08You stupid, stupid man, Michael, Michael, what have you done?
39:14You've orphaned your children.
39:18I think it took a few hours for the rage to wear off, and then terrible grief set in.
39:28Are you afraid of death?
39:31Yes.
39:32We all want to see what that other side look like, though, don't we?
39:37Do you think there are children playing in heaven?
39:39Oh, God, I pray that that's what it's like.
39:42Like Adam and Eve, the way they're described.
39:44Yeah, like Adam and Eve, it's just a happy garden, a perfect, peaceful place.
39:51Just a pure innocence.
39:53I pray that it's like that.
40:01Michael's favorite word was innocence, because Michael was robbed of that childhood innocence.
40:07He said to me, I never had innocence.
40:10My life has been a constant effort to reclaim lost innocence, like a return to Eden, a return to paradise.
40:27There is new global backlash tonight following the bombshell documentary, Leaving Neverland.
40:32The accusations made by Wade Robson, who's now 36, and James Safechuck, now 41, are quite similar.
40:39Both were befriended by Jackson when they were young boys, and both were brought to his Neverland ranch, where they
40:44claimed the abuse began.
40:45So what are you alleging that he actually did?
40:49He sexually abused me from seven years old until 14.
40:53I've lived in silence and denial for 22 years, and I can't spend another moment in that.
41:04I was appalled.
41:07I was shocked.
41:08Wade Robson told the jury, under penalty of perjury, it didn't happen.
41:14And then he does this film and says, oh yeah, it happened.
41:17Well, the two don't chime.
41:20It tells me that it's false.
41:26I have never seen the documentary, but I think these are cases of people coming out and saying horrible things
41:34long after anything is provable, when there's a lot of money at stake.
41:40The Michael Jackson I knew was a really, really sweet, kind-hearted person.
41:48I don't know why I get so protective.
41:50It doesn't make any sense.
41:52Do you think he's innocent?
41:56After everything you've seen, do you still think he's possibly innocent?
42:04The world will say what it will say, and perhaps only God knows the truth.
42:10Could I believe that he was a pedophile?
42:16Absolutely, categorically not.
42:20But how do you know?
42:21How do I know that he wasn't a pedophile?
42:24Yeah.
42:24Oh, I don't know.
42:26I can only say based on all the evidence, all the trials, and my personal knowledge of him, he was
42:31absolutely incapable of harming a child.
42:36I remember him putting my hands on his head when he was down there.
42:47I'll never forget the feeling of his hair.
42:55The way they painted the picture of inappropriate behavior, sexual molestation, it moved me.
43:01I just thought, oh my gosh.
43:04If you saw that documentary, you have to have some compassion for Wade and James.
43:11I think I was just like kind of wincing, and I was asking him not to do it, but he
43:18did it, and he said, oh, you'll like it.
43:22It was so powerful.
43:24So powerful.
43:25I was as big a Michael Jackson fan as anyone.
43:27But that documentary showed how this man manipulated not just those boys, not just their family.
43:42Michael manipulated the entire world.
43:53I believe that the outcome could have been different if Jimmy Safechuck and Wade Robson have been able to talk
43:59about what had happened.
44:00But I don't blame them.
44:04I'm not angry.
44:05I may be a little frustrated, but I'm really not angry.
44:08I'm glad that they have come forward now.
44:10I think it's helpful.
44:11It's helpful for Gavin.
44:13I think it's helpful for the rest of the country to understand what actually happened.
44:21A lot of folks did not want to believe Gavin.
44:25They wanted to believe their hero, their idol.
44:29We're talking about the king of pop, and we don't want to believe that such a phenomenal talent is dangerous.
44:40We just don't want those two things in the same place.
44:44It's very difficult.
44:48I'll be the first one to tell you because I love his music.
44:53I love what he created.
44:55But Gavin, his story has never shifted, and we would know by now if the reason they had done this
45:04was money.
45:05There's been no exchange of money in regards to any of this for the Arvizo family.
45:09So maybe we need to ask ourselves, is that body of work worth the price of James, Wade, Gavin?
45:25Is that a fair price?
45:30Gavin is doing extraordinarily well.
45:33Well, I'm just, I'm magnificently proud of him, but he's fought for it.
45:40He's fought hard.
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