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00:06all right my last question if you were a tool or an object to bring your business to greater
00:17heights what would it be that's an interesting question I know because for what I do we have
00:26to have so many tools in the toolbox just one just one just one I have one tool that's pretty
00:33much
00:33used in almost every job and it's actually a cabinet makers hammer oh okay cabinet's maker
00:40hammer okay it is persuasive enough when I need to persuade something not someone something
00:51sometimes I have to be the heavy framing hammer other times I'm the lightweight hammer just to
01:00nudge things along all right I guess it's a hammer we got it selfie time selfie time
01:09you're fast ready one two three ah can you spy that is
01:34because this case gained such notoriety I knew that it would be very easy for the person who
01:40perpetrated these crimes to utilize the internet to try to figure out what we were doing so that's
01:46why I was very quiet I didn't show up on Gilgo Beach with a big magnifying glass and talk about
01:52all the things we were going to do because I wanted the perpetrator to think that it was business as
01:57usual we were spinning our wheels we weren't making any progress to maintain that investigative secrecy not
02:06everybody in my office knew what we were doing not everybody in the PD or the FBI it was just
02:11the
02:11the members of the task force we had our first task force meeting February 1st and I think March 14th
02:22of 2022 was when Rex Uerman was was identified as a suspect for the first time there was a new
02:28level of
02:29energy injected into this task force they were finally starting to see some meaningful movement on this case
02:37but what we think doesn't matter as prosecutors it's what we can prove
02:44so we would just work to try to establish more connections to those murders
02:55so we were surveilling him for a number of months
03:04they tracked where he went they tracked him on the train the LRR they tracked him going to his office
03:09in Midtown
03:13for the most part his activity was business as usual
03:18he would go to work and go home that is nothing that is in any way atypical
03:32but we saw within a very short period of time Rex buy a prepaid phone which we confirmed on the
03:41camera
03:42remember the killer used the burner phones so now we looked at the phone in his name and what was
03:49the
03:49activity and was it consistent with the times when the burner phones were being utilized and it was
03:59that was arguably one of the most significant points in this investigation
04:08there was this tension because we knew through his use of burner phones that he was continuing to contact sex
04:14workers
04:16that's obviously concerning but you still don't have enough evidence to prosecute when you looked at the original crime scene
04:25there wasn't a lot of evidence but what we saw was these five question hairs of interest discovered in December
04:33of 2010 with the gilgol four
04:36the gilgol four there was one that was recovered on Amber Costello and then there were three question hairs obtained
04:46from Megan Waterman and then hair that was recovered from the belt buckle of Maureen Brainer Barnes
04:55the hairs found on the victims were not matched to the victim nor any other profile within CODIS the hairs
05:04belong to an unidentified male of Caucasian descent as well as three different females
05:12we need more DNA profiles we need more DNA profiles to compare against
05:17maybe these hairs would be associated with the suspect
05:23the task force obtained DNA samples from the suspect's house
05:34so we were able to develop four genetic profiles off of bottles
05:40those genetic profiles were for family members who lived at the residence in Massapequa Park
05:48the suspect was married they had a biological daughter
05:52and she had a son who was unrelated to the suspect
05:57and now you have to actually see them discarding things that they eat or drink
06:02and then get the DNA sample so you know for sure that you have the right profile
06:10it was painstaking because you're still trying to keep the suspect in your sights
06:15do the surveillance obtain this evidence but you don't want to blow the investigation
06:25one day Rex comes out of the office and he throws away his box of pizza
06:30I just loved hearing this because it's just good old-fashioned detective work right
06:36the detective was standing there blending in with everybody else in New York City
06:40went over got the pizza box and therein was a piece of crust
06:44and he went and they took that pizza crust and they ran it
06:51when I read it I realized it sounds like we have a match here
06:56and then I started calling people in I said read this
07:00and we all agreed
07:03it was on
07:06we had enough probable cause to arrest Rex Uerman
07:17for a myriad of reasons we had decided that we wanted to arrest him in midtown Manhattan
07:23coming out of his place of business
07:36it was exciting it was scary because you know what this person was capable of
07:46so you know you really worry about keeping people safe
07:51you know the right
07:52but
07:52you know what that would mean
08:20you know the group has only found you
08:28We got him!
08:30All right.
08:33What's happening?
08:36It's not easy when you go into a case
08:38and you are looking for that needle in the haystack.
08:42There were tens of thousands of hours
08:45placed into this investigation by Suffolk County Police,
08:48the FBI, the District Attorney's Office,
08:51the Sheriff's Department, the State Police.
08:53That task force was, in my opinion, a game-changer.
09:02For 13 years, the public has been just so fascinated by it,
09:07and law enforcement has been confounded by it.
09:10There has finally been an arrest,
09:12a Massapequa Park man charged with the murder of three women.
09:15Rex Hureman stayed silent
09:18as he walked out of Suffolk County 7th Precinct
09:20to face a judge on Friday afternoon.
09:23My friend, she called me.
09:25She was like, are you watching TV?
09:27I was like, no, why?
09:28She's like, your exact description of an ogre.
09:32Six foot seven, 350 pound man.
09:34She's like, he's being arrested right now for Amber's murder.
09:39I've seen what that motherfucker looks like.
09:42Sorry, but that's being nice still.
09:45And he looks like an AI-generated version of Grimace
09:52if he was a human.
09:55The first time I saw pictures of him, I was like, wow, what a monster.
10:02It's huge.
10:03And these girls are all so tiny.
10:05And then the scenarios started coming in my head of this accused's big body,
10:15and her, she's so tiny.
10:17And now I have those nightmares in my head on top of everything else.
10:24If this is the person, it's going to save a lot of lives.
10:29No other girl is going to get hurt the way our girls got hurt.
10:37Our hope is that those families are experiencing some level of comfort
10:42and some level of relief, knowing that the person responsible
10:46for their loved one's death is now being held responsible.
10:51It was later on that day, they came out with the truck,
10:55and it was just like, holy shit, they had that, you know,
10:58everything for 13 years in front of them.
11:00They just never used it.
11:05If it comes out that this guy's been killing girls
11:09since they could have had him in 2010, that's what bothers me.
11:12That's what's going to cause me to lose sleep.
11:22Kristen Thorne is live outside the home,
11:24where neighbors were shocked to learn of today's arrest.
11:27Sade, this is sort of the place to be on Long Island right now.
11:31When I come down with my car to drop my wife off, I see him walking.
11:35It looks like every other American-type person, I guess.
11:40I saw it on Facebook this morning, and I was at work.
11:44And I was just like, listen, I got to take some personal time.
11:47I got to go down here because this is a big case.
11:51You know, we got to see how it plays out, too.
11:52We're talking about the Gilgal Four.
11:54So you all know that's not the end of the story, right?
11:59I was at work watching it on TV in just joking fashion to the guys.
12:06I was just like, hey, you know, I probably went to high school with them.
12:09And I found out about three hours later that they named the suspect.
12:15And it was Rex Hoyerman.
12:19We went to the same schools growing up.
12:22He was more of a recluse.
12:25He was very introverted, very skinny and tall.
12:30You know, we would bully him.
12:33You know, we used to call him Herman Munster.
12:38And he never bullied anybody, you know.
12:41He wasn't that type of person.
12:46When I saw his house, I was more surprised because I thought maybe being an architect,
12:51you would do something a little nicer.
12:54This is a very nice neighborhood, and the house does stand out.
12:59Most of the people in the neighborhood didn't want to be closer,
13:02mainly because of the condition of the house and stuff like that.
13:05Because he's an architect, for you to have a house like that in a neighborhood like this,
13:09on this block, how come you haven't done your house?
13:12You go down the street, normal house, normal house, serial killer, normal, normal.
13:17You know what I mean?
13:18You know, then we started hearing from neighbors, like,
13:21that was the house they told the kids at Halloween don't go to.
13:26The condition of the house was very cluttered.
13:29We found a large number of electronic devices, phones, laptops.
13:34We found 116 or so handguns in the house and about 163 long guns.
13:41And if you look at the profile, here's an individual who hunts, an individual who targets shoots.
13:47The main reason why we wanted to arrest the defendant at his place of business rather than his home
13:52was we wanted to avoid those guns.
13:55You know, and then, of course, we're also looking for trace evidence, you know, blood, hair, stains.
14:03When Rex Heurman is arrested, we're all rushing to figure out, who is this guy?
14:08You have to remember, this is years of not knowing who the Long Island serial killer was.
14:16And now we have a name.
14:20I was doing legal research on my computer, and I saw the name Rex.
14:25And I thought, not a lot of Rexes, but okay, there's another Rex.
14:30And then I saw his last name, and then I saw an architect, and then I saw a serial killer.
14:36And I thought I was hallucinating. This was impossible.
14:40And then I saw his mugshot.
14:44I thought there's no way that's him. Like, oh, there must be another Rex Heurman.
14:49It's so crazy that there are two Rex Heurmans.
14:52And then I was like, no, that's him. That's like his face. Like, and also there aren't two Rex Heurmans.
15:00I just couldn't believe it. I thought somebody had
15:04just played a joke on me. There's no way.
15:07I was 26 years old when I started working with Rex.
15:10He's a pretty girl, but he just tells jokes and never hit on me.
15:15To me, he was never a scary person or anyone you should ever fear.
15:23He was a licensed architect.
15:26There were mostly women working in the office, usually one to two other architects.
15:33And then he had, you know, a handful of people who helped him really grind out the work.
15:41And then he was a scientist.
15:42When I worked for him, my job was to be his assistant.
15:46The office was a disaster area. It was a mess.
15:51There were blueprints all over the floor. It was dirty.
15:56The, um, so I spent the day cleaning.
16:00Inside his own office, you know, he's the main event.
16:06He doesn't have a very high emotional intelligence.
16:09He, he can't read people very well.
16:13But I can't envision him being a killer.
16:17I just think he's so large and bumbling.
16:20I, you know, I just can't imagine it.
16:23No.
16:25Like, here's this kind of lumbering guy who shuffles around.
16:29You don't look at him and think, here's the most agile, fearsome killer.
16:39I am a survivor of sexual assault.
16:42And my guard is totally up most of the time.
16:50And he didn't even register on my radar.
16:54I'm trying to reconcile why I didn't take better care of myself,
16:59or how could I have not known, you know?
17:03But I think no one could have ever known.
17:08Those girls never had a chance.
17:13Because he tricked them, just like he tricked everybody else.
17:19Here we had a killer who was hidden for all these years.
17:23And so far, we believe that we've got him.
17:31When he was first arrested, his lawyer told the media that Rex was crying.
17:39He was very upset that he said he had nothing to do with any of this.
17:43He didn't even know these women.
17:46And that he didn't know any of what was going on.
17:50Official site DNA and cell phone data is evidence alleging he used burner phones.
17:55Defense attorney Michael Brown calls the evidence circumstantial.
17:58I don't believe everything the government says.
18:01Do you believe everything the government says?
18:03The press has convicted my client without seeing a shred of evidence.
18:08So he doesn't stand a chance with the press.
18:10And we're not going to try the case in the press.
18:13I doubt that any one of you for a moment have even contemplated the possibility that
18:17they have the wrong guy.
18:19The government is looking to convict my client.
18:22What has my client told me?
18:23He told me he didn't do this.
18:28So am I starting?
18:29Am I, am I, am I leading on?
18:31Great tyranny wants the buck to stop with him.
18:33It's like the biggest case of the century, right?
18:37If anything goes wrong with this prosecution?
18:42The indictment of Defendant Rex Andrew Heerman, 59 years of age,
18:47for the murders of Melissa Bartholomey, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello.
18:53The investigation of Maureen Brainerd Barnes is ongoing.
18:59Maureen Brainerd Barnes was not included.
19:01The reason is they didn't have enough time to get her DNA into that indictment.
19:06But they felt they had to arrest him when they did because they could see his activities in terms of
19:12trying
19:12to reach sex workers, and they were worried that he was a threat to public safety.
19:19We've been able to associate eight or so burner phone accounts to him.
19:25Primarily, those burner phones were used to speak with a large number of sex workers.
19:31It was, you know, precisely what we've been talking about all along with this tension between
19:37public safety, grand jury secrecy, and obtaining the evidence.
19:41So we continued to prosecute those three cases in court while still investigating the
19:47Brainerd Barnes case in the grand jury.
19:49Look, prosecutors do not like to move forward in a case without having everything together.
19:57Of course, they wanted the four of them ready to go at one time.
20:01But unfortunately, in this situation, there was still some outstanding DNA.
20:09So we definitely know that Maureen Brainerd Barnes had been restrained by three leather belts.
20:19One of which was utilized to tie Barnes' feet, ankle, and legs together.
20:23And on the belt had the initials W-H or H-M.
20:30W-H are the initials of Rex Heurman's grandfather.
20:36Could be coincidental.
20:37But most importantly, they found on the belt one female hair.
20:47The hair that was recovered from the belt buckle of Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
20:53that was consistent with his wife.
20:56There is this known phenomenon in science, it's called transference.
21:01If you live with the person, oftentimes their hair will get on your clothes,
21:05you'll come in contact with a third party,
21:06and both those hairs could then be transferred to that third party.
21:11Rex's wife's hair was found on Maureen's body.
21:15Could this be transference?
21:18Or could it be that Maureen had actually been in Rex's house?
21:25And then you have the people who theorize
21:30that Asa may not be telling us everything that she knew about what was going on,
21:36and may have interacted with some of these women.
21:40She had no idea any of this was going on,
21:42or the allegations were even her husband was a suspect.
21:45She's not a suspect.
21:46She has not been questioned by the police regarding any of this.
21:50It's been extremely overwhelming for her and the children
21:53trying to piece life back together or what it was two and a half weeks ago.
21:58I think there's still a lot of concern and suspicion
22:02about whether these women were ever in the house.
22:05I mean, there's an incredible amount of Asa and Victoria's DNA
22:12on these female victims.
22:17There's a lot of supposition and noise surrounding the wife,
22:22but what we've been able to prove conclusively
22:24is during the time of the commission of these four charged murders,
22:27the wife and the rest of the family were out of the state
22:32at the time of the commission of the murders.
22:44The first round of charges against Rex Heurman were for Megan Waterman,
22:48Amber Costello, and Melissa Barthelemy.
22:52Six months later, he was charged with Maureen Brainerd Barnes,
22:57the fourth of the Gilgo Four.
23:06So, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for coming.
23:10We're here to discuss the superseding indictment.
23:12The only change in that indictment is that we've charged the murder of
23:17Maureen Brainerd Barnes, which occurred in July of 2007.
23:21It's important that we keep in mind what this case is about.
23:25Maureen Brainerd Barnes was 20, 25 years of age when she lost her life.
23:30She was a devoted sister, devoted mother, devoted daughter.
23:36And this is what this case is about. This is what this case should be about.
23:41And I went for the press conference when
23:44the asshole was charged with my friend's murder.
23:51The justice needs to be served. And I hope he just never ever sees the light of day.
24:01I'm attorney Gloria Allred. And today I'm here at the Suffolk County New York Courthouse
24:08with five of my six clients who were relatives or a friend of alleged victims of defendant Rex Heurman.
24:16They have asked me to represent them as their victim's rights attorney in this case, and I'm honored to support
24:23them.
24:25Next, I would like to introduce Nicolette Brainerd Barnes, who is the daughter of Maureen.
24:35I'm here to speak for my mom, Maureen. I was only seven years old when my mother was murdered.
24:41Her loss drastically changed the trajectory of my life. I remember she read to me every night,
24:47and now I can no longer remember the sound of her voice.
24:52For years, it looked like there might not be charges filed against any suspect
24:55for the murder of my mother. While the loss of my mom has been extremely painful for me,
25:01the indictment by the grand jury has brought hope for justice for my mom and my family.
25:08I'm a women's rights attorney. I've represented 20 victims of Jeffrey Epstein,
25:14a number of victims against Harvey Weinstein. I don't judge people. Life is a challenge for
25:23every woman I know. And I understand what women have to go through in life
25:32because I've lived it. After I became a teacher and moved to California, I went to Mexico on a vacation
25:38with a friend. And there I met a doctor and went on a date with him and ended up being
25:48raped at gunpoint.
25:51And I had nobody who could help me. I didn't know attorneys. So I remember when I didn't know,
25:58and why I didn't know. And it just always motivates me to help win change.
26:10The people who are involved with the Gilgo Beach case contacted me and asked me to help. I felt that
26:20I had the ability to help, I have the opportunity to help, and I have the desire to help.
26:27But there's a long way to go to learn if they're going to win any justice.
26:36It took years to even discover the bodies of their loved one. And some bodies have not yet been identified.
26:49The Gilgo Four definitely received a lot of attention, mainly because that's where the
26:56investigation has focused and because, quite frankly, they're all identified. The remaining six
27:02victims attached to this crime scene, with the exception of Jessica Taylor, were all John and
27:08Jane Doe's.
27:10Every time there is a press conference on this case, we ask about these other victims and police will
27:16only say they're continuing to do their work. They're continuing to investigate it.
27:21I.D.ing a body is so important. It is the first step that allows law enforcement to go and
27:29try to
27:29figure out who killed someone. You cannot find out who killed someone if you don't know who the victim is.
27:36The FBI approached Suffolk County and offered to deploy investigative genetic genealogy
27:42in order to resolve the identities of the remaining bodies.
27:46Jane Doe No. 6, Fire Island Jane Doe, as well as Jane Doe, found in Hempstead Lake Park,
27:53Peaches and her baby, as well as Asian Male.
27:58Their DNA profiles were submitted into NamUs. That is the national database for missing persons,
28:04for DNA profiles. And there were no hits. So from there, the FBI used investigative
28:10genetic genealogy to build out the family trees. And in the end, the identity of Jane Doe No. 6 was
28:18resolved to Valerie Mack. Peaches, Tanya Jackson. Tatiana, that's her baby.
28:30And Fire Island Jane Doe, Karen Vergarda. And the work to identify Asian Male remains ongoing.
28:39The investigation into the remaining six victims is extremely active and more active than it's been
28:46in a very long time. We don't know yet if Rex Howerman will be charged with their murders.
28:55But Jessica Taylor will, in my opinion, be the most viable of the remaining victims to have a suspect
29:03associated with them. She could be the link that linked not only those other victims, but links back
29:11to the Gilgo Four. Jessica Taylor's body was found at Gilgo Beach, but parts of her body were also found
29:19years prior in Manorville, Long Island.
29:24Jess Taylor was 20 years old. She had a rough upbringing, but a mom that loved her and two brothers
29:31that loved her. And she fell into the wrong crowd who introduced her to sex work.
29:40In July of 2003, her torso was found in Manorville and she remained unidentified for about a year.
29:50Jessica had a tattoo on her back.
29:53The tattoo had been mutilated in a way to disfigure it so that it was not reasonably identifiable.
30:02But the medical examiner's office effectively pushed the skin together, sent out a photo, blasted
30:08around to local police agencies. And a detective in Washington, D.C. that had arrested Jessica the
30:16preceding year, recognized the tattoo, and called Suffolk PD and said, I know who she is.
30:33So Jess Taylor's body was found right about here, maybe 10 feet set back, right by the tree.
30:46She had been decapitated. Her hands and her feet had been cut off and she had been posed to maximize
30:55the shock value and also to increase the amount of humiliation to the victim.
31:02A neighbor reported seeing a large Chevy pickup truck, dark color, pull into this service road,
31:10stop for a bit for maybe 10 minutes and then leave around 10 30 at night.
31:15That's when we believe the perpetrator drove up, took out Jessica's effectively her torso,
31:21posed it on a medical u-drape tent and left her hair to be found.
31:28And from what I understand from her family members about Jess, she would not have gone softly.
31:34She went, she was not going down without a fight.
31:38She was tortured pre- and post-mortem.
31:43She probably inflicted some degree of humiliation onto the perpetrator and so he inflicted it back.
31:54Her head and her hands, the remaining body parts were found
31:57along Ocean Parkway in March 2011.
32:01Jess's case was crucial to the identification of Jane Doe number six, Valerie Mack.
32:09She was a 24-year-old female from South Jersey who was involved in sex work.
32:18Both Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor had both of their torsos and other body parts
32:24recovered in Manorville in 2000 and 2003 respectively.
32:31Jessica Taylor's body was found on Falsey Manor Road, which bisects with Mill Road.
32:37The location of Valerie Mack's body, they were found less than a half a mile from each other.
32:46And if you look at the manner in which both Valerie Mack and Jessica Taylor's bodies were left,
32:52it was very similar.
32:55Both victims were decapitated and dismembered at their arms below their elbows.
33:02During the course of the investigation, it became pretty evident that it was necessary
33:06that the task force expanded the search for victims.
33:10After they had a DNA profile from Rex Allerman,
33:13they looked for cold cases going back decades in Suffolk County for victims
33:19that may have had DNA evidence linking to this potential suspect.
33:25Sandra Castilla was one of those victims.
33:31In the early stage of the investigation, Sandra Castilla was a case that we thought was of interest to us.
33:38The similarities between Sandra Castilla and Jessica Taylor were so striking
33:43in the way they were left and the manner of their death.
33:47So this is the site where Sandra Castilla's body was found, November 20, 1993.
33:53She was not covered. She was not put in a bag. She just was there out in the open.
33:59The official cause of death was asphyxiation. She had multiple slash wounds across her body. Her arms
34:08were above her head. Her legs were spread apart. Her top was shoved up above her head so that
34:16it just compounded the humiliation of it all. Several of her injuries,
34:22from what I understand, were post-mortem as well. So she's dead and he's still defacing her body.
34:35As a journalist, I advocate on behalf of women who had in some way been brutalized, in some way
34:43been harmed, I saw this one face. And something about her face told me that if I could not be
34:51sure
34:51that she was Trinidadian, I knew she was Caribbean. So I proceeded to, on an investigation, to try to
35:00figure out who Sandra Castilla really was. Sandra Castilla was born in Trinidad and Tobago. The family
35:09was by no means wealthy, but they were also not impoverished. And it seemed that the unit was a
35:15fully functional and happy unit and a happy family. Her mother and father died in very tragic
35:23circumstances. Sandra and her brother were immediately and instantly orphaned. And then
35:30eventually, Sandra left Trinidad for Queens, New York. The police seemed to assume that her lifestyle
35:38was quote-unquote substantially similar to the lifestyle of the other victims, meaning that she
35:44did interface in some way with sex work. There's nothing that I have discovered to suggest that she
35:50was a sex worker. She worked in bookkeeping, and through that job, was in Manhattan quite often.
35:58There's one suggestion that perhaps that he may have encountered her in a bar.
36:04On November 13, 1993, there was a best friend she had who was living in Massachusetts,
36:10and she phoned her in some distress. She told her life was not going well. And her friend suggested,
36:17why don't you just pack up and come to Massachusetts? You can stay with me. And Sandra said, yes, I
36:22will do
36:22that. I wanted to do that. And her friend waited for her to come and waited and waited and waited.
36:30And Sandra never showed. And about a week later, received a phone call. The person was a gentleman,
36:38and he said, he claimed he was a police officer. He said that Sandra had died, her body had been
36:45found,
36:46and that her friend's contact information had been found on Sandra's person. And that is how the contact
36:52was made. And from then to now, there has been no further contact from the police. Her friend is unsure,
37:00whether it was the police who phoned or whether it was someone else.
37:10Sandra Casilla was found by two hunters in the area. At the time, this area was open up to hunters.
37:17And a number of the residences that are nearby now did not exist. They weren't here. So it was a
37:24relatively secluded area and a decent dumping site for someone looking to dispose of a body to go undetected.
37:35He was really into hunting. He had been for years. That was known. He loved guns, all types of hunting.
37:45He was a duck hunter. He went hunting for big game. He would go to Alaska to hunt bear.
37:53He was crazy. He was like, you're going to set a trap, you know, and lie in wait for this
37:58dangerous
37:59animal to come and then like spring into action or whatever.
38:07He liked to talk about going out and shooting bears and skinning them. And he would just like to
38:14watch people get nauseated from his story. What makes it so spooky for those of us who knew him and
38:26worked
38:26alongside him at any point is just that he's created a world where he can boss around a room full
38:34of
38:34women, many of whom are, you know, on the petite side. And then on the weekends, he's allegedly out hunting
38:42women of the same stature.
38:54We were continuing to work the case. As we were doing that, we were getting
39:00back forensic evidence from some of the devices.
39:09During the search of the house, we found a couple of laptops, standalone computers.
39:17There was some evidence of further searches with regard to torture porn,
39:22with regard to monitoring the investigation, looking up the Gilgo investigation, the victims,
39:28the victims' families.
39:34We also recovered, I think, the most pertinent piece of evidence that we were able to retrieve
39:40out of unallocated space, which means it was erased originally, but we were able to forensically
39:46retrieve it nonetheless, was the planning document. The task force discovered a Microsoft Word document
39:54entitled HK 2002-2004. We didn't have much of a conversation, but yeah, he's in a bad place.
40:08This document shows his intent.
40:13And that intent is to, uh, meticulously plan and premeditate the murders of the victims in this case.
40:20This document is unlike anything I've ever seen.
40:24This guy's an architect, and he's allegedly made a blueprint for his crimes.
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