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00:00I had to use the bathroom and then I heard her collapse on the floor.
00:04The injuries that we're talking about are significant.
00:07The doctors explained that the pain was so excruciating, that's probably why she was unconscious.
00:11I was in the camper trying to keep her alive.
00:14I do believe that you did try to keep her alive.
00:16But I didn't do anything to hurt her.
00:18That's the part I don't believe.
00:20I have no reason to hurt nobody, for any reason, whatsoever.
00:25They are just kids.
00:26A two-year-old child's life hangs in the balance after an incident inside a Florida camper.
00:32With no cameras and no other eyewitnesses, police zero in on the one who was with her at the time.
00:38A man who says he has no idea what happened.
00:41It's not until medical findings come back that investigators realize they may be in the presence of true evil.
00:48You know how sometimes you just get that feeling like these people ain't normal?
00:53The following report is based on official police records, and the footage has never been seen before until now.
00:59On May 3, 2022, a case manager at AdventHealth Waterman Hospital in Tavares, Florida, calls the police when a toddler
01:07arrives at the emergency room in cardiac arrest.
01:10I have a two-year-old that was brought in with suspected abuse.
01:13The baby's being transferred to the ICU at AdventHealth, Orlando.
01:18The child's mother, Kristen, says that an unknown incident occurred that morning while her baby was in the care of
01:24the man she'd been seeing recently, 24-year-old Travis Thompson.
01:28However, they didn't call EMS until they were at the parking lot of the damn smoker.
01:34So I don't know where the incident actually occurred because they pulled over on the side of the road and
01:38called EMS.
01:39They did not call EMS while they were at home.
01:41So they called EMS on the way to the hospital?
01:45Correct.
01:46They said that she was breathing, but they started CPR there at the house, and then they were driving, and
01:52she went unresponsive and pulled over and called 911.
01:55As some Marion County Sheriff's deputies respond to the hospital, another heads to the child's home at an RV campground
02:02in Umatilla.
02:06Sheriff's office, please come to the door.
02:08I need to talk.
02:10Nobody's in trouble.
02:11No one comes to the door, so the deputy tries to find out what the neighbors know.
02:16Do you know who lives here?
02:18A couple with kids.
02:20How many kids?
02:22How many kids do they have?
02:23Two?
02:24Two.
02:25Do you know their names?
02:26Uh-huh.
02:28The reason I'm being, one of the small kids is at Waterman's Hospital and not doing too good.
02:33Oh, no.
02:34So, I need to figure out who lives here.
02:39Is the Jeep, the...
02:39The guy's name is Trevor.
02:40Here, I'll tell you who can help me.
02:42The guy's name is Trevor?
02:43Travis, I think.
02:45Did you see any abuse happening?
02:48Did you see anything?
02:49As a mom.
02:51Yes, please.
02:52Anything I don't want to know.
02:52And me and Adam do see them outside unsupervised often.
02:56Any physical stuff?
02:58No, but we do see them unsupervised quite often, and we'll, like, talk to them and...
03:03Sure.
03:04That's sad.
03:05Yes.
03:06Confusing, too.
03:08It is.
03:0810, 4, 10, 17.
03:09But sometimes you never know.
03:12When you think you know someone.
03:13I kept telling you something was off.
03:16Why do you say that?
03:17Just...
03:18You know how sometimes you just get that feeling, like, these people ain't normal?
03:23It's just, like, that kind of...
03:25Just that sense.
03:27Just that something was off.
03:29The young girl's mother will tragically be coming home without her daughter.
03:33Despite the life-saving efforts of the ER doctors, two-year-old Jacqueline Schwingle was pronounced dead early that afternoon.
03:41Five hours after receiving this heartbreaking news, Kristen and Travis wait outside the camper while investigators look for any sign
03:48that Jacqueline's death was intentional.
03:51How long have you been doing this?
03:53Four years.
03:55You like it?
03:57Yeah.
03:58Probably takes a toll on it.
04:00It does.
04:00It really does.
04:01Emotionally, physically, mentally, all that stuff, but...
04:04I've seen an officer at the Denny's, just by himself, really sit, sat in a whole corner table, just sat
04:09in the corner watching everybody.
04:12So you gotta be careful.
04:13I walked up, I was like, can I buy your food?
04:15But I sat with him, talked with him, you know, just, like, try to ease, like, the tension that he
04:20was feeling.
04:21I was like...
04:22A lot of times...
04:22I'm here normally, because, like, I work around here right now, but, I mean, like, nothing major has ever gone
04:27on here.
04:28But something major has certainly happened today, and investigators want Travis, the only one who was with little Jacqueline at
04:35the time of the incident, to tell them everything he knows, including the nature of his relationship with the child's
04:41mom.
04:42So, would you say that you guys, like, boyfriend-girlfriend, engaged, fiancé, are you guys just friends?
04:49Um, if you're asking me, I'd say that's my person.
04:52girlfriend, because, like, my go-to, but, like, my best friend, but also, like, somebody that I love very deeply.
04:57So I don't really know what you would call that, but, like, I feel like girlfriend would kind of be
05:02an insult to what I really feel and have with her.
05:05Since we've been together, everything that I've done and what I do has been for them.
05:09I'm a very selfless person.
05:11With that unprompted remark, Travis tells detectives that he was in the bathroom that morning when he heard a loud
05:17thump outside the door.
05:18Moments later, he saw two-year-old Jacqueline lying on the floor, motionless.
05:23So, you pick her up, she's limp, you said she peed on herself and you.
05:28Yeah.
05:28And that was when it really clicked with you that something wasn't right.
05:32Yeah, it literally clicked.
05:33I was like, yeah, so this is not the, like, this isn't just like, okay, she's, like, choking kind of
05:38thing.
05:39This is a, I can't breathe kind of thing.
05:41I was like, okay.
05:43And that was when you...
05:44It immediately took over with CPR.
05:46Okay.
05:47So, you later there, and that's, you called Kristen?
05:50Yeah, told her first before anybody that's the mother.
05:53Now, you said you tried 911 a couple times?
05:56Yes.
05:56Then?
05:56Yeah, it didn't go through.
05:58Travis insists that whatever happened to Jacqueline that morning, he had nothing to do with it.
06:03And there's no chance that tomorrow Jacqueline's going to have any sort of abnormal, any drugs in her system.
06:10There's no way she ingested anything that you left out, accidentally had.
06:13Nothing like that.
06:14Okay.
06:15All right.
06:16I feel like you keep asking that because you found something.
06:18There's a plastic baggie in your wallet.
06:20Huh?
06:21From my wallet?
06:23Mm-hmm.
06:23What's in it?
06:24I don't know.
06:25That's not good.
06:26But no, I promise you, there should not be anything abnormal in her system.
06:31There should not be.
06:31There couldn't be.
06:32There's no way.
06:34Because I'm not dumb enough to leave even my marijuana, like, even my weed, I don't leave that out for
06:39anybody to get a hold of.
06:41So, let me ask you this.
06:42So, you're watching after the kids and, you know, you're super protective of them.
06:46I get that.
06:46So, why then is there a loaded AR pistol right next to the bed that she was laying on?
06:54That was actually moved there this morning because normally that's kept up in the cupboard or it's underneath the bed.
07:01I was going to end up cleaning it.
07:03But before I got the chance to, that's when I heard the thud, which the safety was on and I
07:08did teach them about gun safety.
07:10Even though I know she's two, she understood.
07:12Because we've gone through this story four and five times.
07:16Yes.
07:16Okay.
07:16Every time you've completely left that part out.
07:20Which part?
07:20That you got these guns out of the cabinet.
07:22Well, yeah, because I didn't really think that would have anything to do with it.
07:27Okay.
07:27That's my bad.
07:28But Travis is right in that Jacqueline didn't die of a gunshot wound.
07:32The next morning, the investigators bring Travis to the sheriff's office to see what else he might be leaving out
07:38of his story.
07:53Two detectives soon enter the room and they start by trying to put Travis at ease.
07:57Just so you know, this door doesn't lock, doesn't even have a lock on it.
08:00You don't have to talk to us.
08:02You can walk out anytime you want.
08:04That makes me look bad.
08:06What do you mean?
08:07I don't know.
08:07I'm just not helping, I guess.
08:11I always appreciate help.
08:12But just to clarify, you're not being forced to make any statements or anything like that.
08:16We're just a couple guys talking in a room.
08:19Okay.
08:19And describe to me Jacqueline.
08:21What is she like?
08:22Very hyper and energetic as her brother is.
08:25Very hyper and energetic?
08:27Very, what is it?
08:29Very outgoing.
08:31Very outgoing.
08:32She likes to be center of attention with her singing and like, oh, look at that and look at this.
08:37Okay.
08:38Very cute.
08:39The detectives ask him to run through everything that happened at the camper from the moment he woke up yesterday
08:45morning, hoping that somewhere in that story they'll finally find an explanation for this tragedy.
08:51I'm going up my eyes.
08:53I got Jason up, got him ready for school.
08:55Took him to the bus stop.
08:57We waited.
08:57We talked a little bit.
08:59He thinks Batman is the greatest hero ever.
09:02And I'm just like, money's not a superpower.
09:04Superman is the greatest.
09:07And that whole kind of thing.
09:08The bus pulled up.
09:09I was like, all right, here's your bus.
09:11Have a good day at school.
09:12Gave me a fist bump.
09:13Gave me a hug.
09:13Got on the bus.
09:14I went back.
09:16Took out my firearms because they were going to be cleaned.
09:19But then I was like, no, never mind.
09:20I want to lay back down.
09:21I laid back down.
09:22And then Kristen was late for work because at that point it was like 8.30.
09:25She had to be there at like 9.
09:27But she just decided to be late.
09:28So then we both got up.
09:32Jacqueline was already awake.
09:34Got her up.
09:34She wanted to go outside, play with the chicken and the duck.
09:37They did that.
09:38I made coffee.
09:40Me and Kristen drank our coffee, smoked a cigarette.
09:43Me and Jacqueline went down to the lake while she went to work.
09:46And then after we came back, I put her on the couch to watch Cat Dog.
09:50She had her drink.
09:51I told her the cheeses were right there.
09:52If you want some, help yourself.
09:54I don't care.
09:54She was with Luca.
09:55I had to use the bathroom.
09:57I was in there for about 10 minutes.
09:58And then I heard her collapse on the floor.
10:02Barring a few minor details, this story is one law enforcement has heard several times by now.
10:07And Travis has once again failed to offer any explanation for what actually happened to Jacqueline.
10:12Nonetheless, he continues his account.
10:14So when I looked out, where the doorknob would be, she was just like laying on the floor.
10:19I'm like, hey, you all right?
10:21She didn't respond.
10:22So then I hit the door up.
10:23I was like, hey, you all right?
10:25She still wasn't responding.
10:26And so I flushed, pulled my pants up, ran over to her.
10:30And she was like making a gurgling sound.
10:32Like I thought she probably swallowed some water down the wrong tube or something.
10:35But that wasn't the case because when I picked her up, she was limp.
10:38She wasn't breathing.
10:40So I called Kristen and me.
10:41I said, you need to come home.
10:42Like there's something going on.
10:43She's like, what's going on?
10:44I was like, do you not hear her?
10:45She's like trying to like breathe and she's not breathing.
10:47So I started doing CPR.
10:49When I tried to call 911, it didn't even dial.
10:52It didn't even go through.
10:53It didn't do anything.
10:55So I was like, all right, so this is, this is bad.
10:58This is bad.
10:59And so when Kristen got back, we loaded her up.
11:02I told her to keep breathing in her mouth, keep doing the compressions because she's not
11:06breathing on her own.
11:07I don't know what's going on.
11:08I don't know what happened.
11:09And so when she told me that she starts breathing, we got on hold of 911 again, told me we
11:16need
11:16an ambulance.
11:17They met us on route to the hospital, met us at Old Crow barbecue restaurant.
11:21The police report indicates that 37 minutes elapsed between the time Travis says he found
11:26Jacqueline on the floor and the call to 911.
11:29How is discipline normally done by you?
11:32If they don't listen to their mom and they don't listen to me, it's just tell them to get
11:36in the corner.
11:36That's because Kristen doesn't want me to put their hands on her.
11:38I don't want to spank them either, but I mean, if they're really out of line and not
11:41listening, then I go get like one pop and then still get put in the corner for like five
11:45minutes.
11:45Sure, I understand.
11:46When you say one pop, like where would that be at on the bottom of the bus?
11:49Okay.
11:50And would that normally straighten things out or fix things if you have to do something
11:53like that, though?
11:55No, they're relentless.
11:57Travis claims to have no interest in spanking the children, but one of his neighbors at the
12:01campground said he had reason to think otherwise.
12:05One time, it's probably about almost two months ago now, I'd heard her arguing
12:08with them about hitting the kids.
12:10About who hitting the kids?
12:11Travis hitting the kids.
12:13Okay.
12:13Did you physically see it?
12:14I didn't see anything, but I heard them arguing over the fact that I don't touch my kids kind
12:19of s***.
12:20So, now that you've been able to think about it for a day, what do you think happened?
12:26I don't know.
12:27That's what honestly bothers me because the deeper I think about it, it's I can't answer
12:32that.
12:33Like, you know, I've asked other family members, like, what do you think could happen?
12:36They're like, oh, it could have been like a brain aneurysm or it could be lupus or this
12:41and that.
12:41See, I was like, someone else mentioned lupus too, but I was like, there's no way.
12:45Or it's SIDS and it's like, see, but no, she's like, she's two and everything was fine
12:50all the way up until you went into the bathroom.
12:52Yeah.
12:52As far as you know.
12:53Yeah.
12:54As soon as I saw her collapse on the floor, my whole world flipped upside down.
12:57I was like, what just happened?
12:59Travis isn't finding his way towards an explanation.
13:02So, the detectives reveal that they already know quite a bit more than they've let on.
13:07Well, there was an autopsy that was done this morning.
13:11And like I said, we're not doctors and they haven't even released the final report yet.
13:16But, Detective King, you were there, right?
13:18I was.
13:19Could you kind of describe what you saw then so we can kind of get on the same page here
13:22and understand a little better?
13:24So, there's definitely, or the reason you're here is there's definitely some injuries,
13:28some physical injuries that she has.
13:30The injuries that we're talking about are significant.
13:33I can tell you from being there and seeing them go through this autopsy
13:36that I don't see how they could possibly be an accident, Travis.
13:40I'm not sure either.
13:42I'm not sure what these injuries would be.
13:44That's a card the investigators aren't quite ready to show.
13:47But they assure Travis that Jacqueline's injuries don't line up with his current statement.
13:51Whenever the doctors looked at it, whenever they did the autopsy,
13:55they were looking at this injury and they're going,
13:56this injury doesn't seem to make any sense with this sitting on a futon and getting hurt thing.
14:01And you're with her.
14:02That was something from before when she wasn't in my care.
14:05So, that's why a polygraph, a lie detector, would be so telling
14:08because if it's outside of your care and you have nothing to do about it,
14:11the guy that does the polygraph, that's not us.
14:13It's somebody that knows how to work that machine.
14:16They'll be able to look at it and they'll be able to get a better understanding for that.
14:19You know what I mean?
14:19It's something that I've seen people be able to tell their families, their loved ones,
14:23you know, look, I did this and my name is clear on this.
14:26Would that be something that you'd be interested in doing today?
14:28Not exactly because I know within myself and God knows that I would never do anything to harm these children.
14:33But the detectives aren't quite as convinced, partly because of the skeletons lurking in Travis's closet.
14:39Have you ever been in a situation where you've been worried about,
14:43accused of like abusing a child or hurting a child or anything like that in the past?
14:46I have.
14:47Is Kristen aware of that?
14:49Yes.
14:50Indeed, Travis was a suspect in a previous case from 2019, three years earlier,
14:55when he admitted that he broke a child's arm in what he characterizes as an accident.
15:00Yeah, that one, I can't admit that I was not paying attention.
15:03I put him in the center of the bed and I turned around because I thought somebody knocked on the
15:08door,
15:09looked out in the hallway, nobody knocked again and I just sat down.
15:14Okay, but as soon as I felt him under me, I immediately stood up.
15:18I was like, are you okay?
15:19I mean, immediate remorse.
15:21Immediate, like, guilt.
15:22It's like, are you okay?
15:23Are you good?
15:24Like, but no one died in that case.
15:26No.
15:27Right.
15:27But somebody did die in this case.
15:29Uh, yeah.
15:30Yeah.
15:31So, but that's nothing that was inflicted by me.
15:34Travis was never arrested in that previous case,
15:36but the investigators cannot help but find it suspicious that, in their words,
15:41lightning struck twice.
15:42Are you a victim of child abuse yourself?
15:45Yes.
15:46Why would I want to inflict that on anybody else?
15:48Well, that's what I'm trying to find out here is if something happened to you as a child
15:53and it was traumatic, it can change the wires in our brain.
15:56That's what traumatic usually is.
15:57It means it affects people different ways.
15:59People come back with PTSD.
16:02It still affects me as a child,
16:03but then that cycle was broken by a very good family member of mine,
16:07my Uncle Andy.
16:08He talked me through a lot.
16:09He taught me a lot.
16:10When I was on the road, I used to see people get in these arguments with family members,
16:14their mom, their dad, their girlfriend,
16:16and they would push or hurt somebody,
16:19and they don't even mean to even lash out with their body, but they are,
16:22and then they would forget,
16:23and then somebody would show me a cell phone video,
16:25and then they would say,
16:26I just saw a red detective or deputy at that point.
16:29I blacked out, and I don't even know what I was doing.
16:32No.
16:32Nothing like that, no.
16:34Is there any spots or times you don't recall
16:36that would help us better understand what's going on with this injury?
16:39No, because I mostly pay attention to everything that goes on around me
16:42and what's going on.
16:44It isn't long before Travis begins to feel that he's being unfairly targeted.
16:48Well, I'm not going to lie.
16:49I already expected that this was going to be something that was going to happen.
16:53What was that?
16:54Why was that?
16:55Because that's normally how it goes.
16:56That's just my luck.
16:57People think that I always have something to do with it,
17:00that I'm just mean, a horrible person, this and that, but...
17:03I didn't say you had nothing.
17:05I didn't say you had anything to do with it.
17:07You haven't struck me the whole interview.
17:08What we're trying to do is figure out where this came from.
17:11The detectives acknowledge, however,
17:13that they don't believe Travis is giving them the full truth.
17:17And the other part that I'm looking at,
17:19like we were talking about with you maybe forgetting something, okay?
17:22This time that you told this detective here what was going on,
17:26you said you tried to call 911 from the camper.
17:29Is that correct?
17:29Yeah.
17:30Did you try to call 911 from the camper?
17:31Yeah.
17:32I told you that too, but it really did not go through it.
17:35So here's the problem that I have with that, okay?
17:37You gave me a consent last night.
17:38It records everything that that phone does,
17:41and there was no attempt to call 911 from that camper.
17:43Like you mentioned, we're talking about the polygraph.
17:46You've taken a lie detector test, okay?
17:49Right now, I've got some information here
17:51that it looks like something's missing, right?
17:54You agree with that?
17:54It does, but I'm telling you, I don't know.
17:57And for your own protection,
17:59and you want to go down there
18:00and sit down with that detective in there
18:02and go through that process with him
18:04and show, hey, look, I passed it.
18:07I'm telling you the truth.
18:08This is exactly what happened.
18:09Then I take that and say, yeah, okay.
18:12I don't need a polygraph test to tell you that.
18:14I don't know you any better than you know me.
18:16It's just another way that...
18:18Yeah, but how would I know you guys aren't trying
18:19to turn anything around to use against me?
18:21It kind of sounds like a setup.
18:24What do you mean, what kind of setup?
18:25I don't know.
18:25Like, you guys are trying to get me for something.
18:28But if there's a broken bone
18:30within the time of when she's been staying at her mom's
18:33and we have not exactly been together all the time,
18:35then that had to have been some point
18:38when I didn't have her.
18:39And normally she's with me.
18:41She's super chill.
18:42She's happy.
18:42She does not care.
18:43I can tell you from the timeline
18:45and speaking to a doctor
18:46that has done this for decades,
18:49the timeline doesn't line up that way either
18:51with it having happened previously.
18:55With yet another explanation off the table,
18:57the detectives go speak to Kristen in a separate room,
19:00leaving Travis to his thoughts.
19:02What kind of question is that?
19:05I don't know.
19:06Broken bone.
19:08But from what?
19:10Elsewhere at the sheriff's office,
19:12Kristen tells the detectives
19:13that she'll take a polygraph
19:14if it will help the investigation.
19:16Meanwhile, Travis,
19:17who was aware of the camera above his head
19:19from the moment he came in this afternoon,
19:21continues to talk and perhaps rap.
19:50His thoughts on the conspiracy against him
19:53were soon interrupted by a most unwelcome phone call.
19:56Yeah, yelling would not be your best choice right now.
19:59Uh-huh.
20:00Mom, I'm not in the mood to deal with you.
20:02I'm really not.
20:03I got enough going on.
20:04So what is it?
20:04What are you calling me for?
20:06Yes, I know Uncle Andy's advice.
20:08Thank you.
20:09Mom, don't start your s*** with me.
20:13Okay, bye.
20:14I'm not dealing with you.
20:16Why do you make everything s*** for us?
20:18Soon, Kristen requests to see him
20:20and, according to the police report,
20:22pleads with Travis to take a polygraph.
20:24He refuses.
20:25And when the detectives return to the interview room,
20:27they decide to get very clear
20:29on the kind of case this is.
20:31When we're dealing with medical experts
20:33and people that all they do is look at things
20:35and they see things
20:36and they see people that are in car crashes
20:38and plane crashes
20:39and then they see the injury
20:40that is on Jacqueline,
20:43the conclusion, ultimately,
20:45that we're learning that they're coming to
20:47is that this is going to be ruled as a homicide.
20:50Okay.
20:51A homicide.
20:52Yes.
20:53So to define what a homicide is...
20:55I know what a homicide is.
20:57Yeah.
20:57So that would be that her death
21:00is the result of your actions.
21:02The detective explains
21:04that the only thing left to determine
21:05is whether Travis hurt Jacqueline on purpose
21:07or whether it was some kind of accident.
21:10She fell down on something
21:11causing a very serious break.
21:12Then you're embarrassed.
21:13You feel shameful.
21:15You don't want to end...
21:16You don't want her to be upset.
21:17I get that.
21:18You don't seem embarrassed or shameful?
21:19Well, see, that's what I'm kind of worried about here.
21:22Because 99% of the people that I talk to
21:25at least show some kind of, like, outward emotion.
21:27They feel upset.
21:29They are, like...
21:30They show some kind of sadness or something.
21:32Or they show something other than contempt
21:34or suspicion.
21:36But the whole time I'm talking to you,
21:38you look very suspicious, very paranoid,
21:40very non-remorseful, if you will.
21:42And that's what I'm trying to get here is,
21:44are you this, like, 1% of the people that I talk to
21:47that actually doesn't care at all about what they did?
21:50Of course I care.
21:51They go out and they find kids
21:53to just take out their anger on?
21:55Or are you somebody that was abused as a child,
21:59went through physical abuse,
22:01has, I don't know,
22:03problems with taking care of children,
22:05which is why there was something in the past that happened?
22:07This is literally crazy.
22:10This is literally crazy.
22:12Are you a kind of guy that just says,
22:14I'm not taking a polygraph.
22:16The whole world should believe me.
22:17I wouldn't hurt any kids.
22:19Look at all these things.
22:20They're just accidents.
22:21They didn't happen.
22:22I don't know what happened.
22:23This is crazy.
22:23And then they just say,
22:24this is crazy.
22:25Could you imagine, like,
22:26all the things that we've learned
22:27at what we've seen with the injury,
22:30what we've learned about the timeline,
22:32and then we tell you all of this
22:33and your statement regarding all these things is,
22:36this is crazy.
22:38Travis tells the detectives
22:39that there are other factors,
22:41including Jacqueline's recent hair loss,
22:43that could help explain her death.
22:45But along the way,
22:46he says something that sets off their alarm bells.
22:49And there's been times
22:50where she would even say,
22:52my back hurts.
22:53And, like, even being hurt
22:53with, like, you're only two.
22:55How does your back hurt?
22:56Okay.
22:57When did, when would that come up?
22:59Um.
22:59Because that's the first time I've heard that.
23:01I mean, we talked about,
23:02we talked about hair coming out.
23:03We talked about all kinds of stuff.
23:04I, I, I don't remember talking about that.
23:05Yeah, at the point,
23:06she would just be like,
23:06oh, my throat hurts, my back hurts.
23:08I'm like, what do you mean?
23:10Like, you've done nothing.
23:12You just got out of bed.
23:13Why does your back hurt?
23:15She'd walk around, like,
23:16her spine hurts or something,
23:18but, yeah, she'd go outside
23:19and play.
23:19She'd go with her mom.
23:21She'd go with me to the store
23:22and, like, she was fine.
23:24The detectives don't linger
23:25on the troubling implications
23:27behind these remarks,
23:28but they will confront Travis
23:30with them soon enough.
23:31In the meantime,
23:32they merely emphasize once again
23:34that this would not have been
23:35a pre-existing injury.
23:37Travis, this morning,
23:39I sat in the medical examiner's office
23:41and I watched them do an autopsy.
23:43Uh-huh.
23:44There are bones that are broken
23:46and they are so severe
23:47that there is no playing
23:49while this happened.
23:50There is no,
23:52ouch, my back hurts.
23:53That's not this.
23:56That's literally...
23:57And I'm not even a doctor
23:58and I can tell you
23:59from looking at it with my eyes.
24:01This is why I said
24:01I feel like a target
24:02because I never done nothing
24:04to these kids, dudes.
24:06I have no reason to hurt nobody
24:09for any reason whatsoever.
24:11They are just kids.
24:14Shortly after Travis makes
24:15his impassioned speech,
24:17another detective drops by
24:18with some news from Kristen.
24:21Kristen said that there's been
24:23no complaints or anything
24:24about the baby's back
24:25being hurt or anything.
24:27Oh, okay.
24:28That's it.
24:29So I said that?
24:30That's from Kristen.
24:32Kristen said there hasn't been
24:33any complaints.
24:34The baby's not complaining
24:35about her back at all.
24:37Is that right?
24:38Well, that's what I'm...
24:40We just learned it right now.
24:42So, um...
24:44This is a...
24:45Set up, dude.
24:47I thought this is a...
24:49Set up.
24:50Yes, because literally
24:52I've seen her.
24:53We have both watched her complain.
24:54My back hurts.
24:56My throat hurts.
24:58Okay.
24:58So now I'm telling you that
25:00and she's saying otherwise.
25:01There's no one trying
25:02to set you up here.
25:03That's what I feel like.
25:05I feel like I'm being set up.
25:06We're telling you
25:06what we learn
25:07as we learn it, okay?
25:09The detectives try once more
25:10to get Travis to open up,
25:12but Travis soon decides
25:13that he's hurt enough.
25:15Because I'm telling you,
25:16it's coming...
25:16It's going to come back
25:17as a homicide.
25:18That's ridiculous.
25:19You are going to be involved
25:21as the last person
25:22that will be someone
25:23that died from homicide.
25:24This is completely separate
25:25than what happened before
25:26where you said that you sat down
25:28on someone's arm
25:30and then also that child
25:31happened to have their teeth
25:32knocked out or whatever.
25:33This is separate.
25:34Let's go ahead
25:34and put that one in the past.
25:36I didn't tell you that.
25:36I read the report
25:38while you were in there
25:39talking to her.
25:40I've been trying to learn...
25:41Like I said,
25:41it's fluid and dynamic.
25:42That's why you brought it up earlier
25:43and I know that's why
25:44you brought it up.
25:44That's why I told you.
25:46Okay.
25:46So we're trying to learn
25:47about everything
25:48that you've done,
25:49everything that you do.
25:50Yeah, everything from my past
25:52that literally has no relevance
25:53to who I am now.
25:55Well, I would say
25:56that a prior report
25:57of child abuse
25:58would probably be important
25:59for us to say to...
26:00Four years ago?
26:02Even if it was
26:02ten years ago.
26:03I mean, these are...
26:04I'm not the same person
26:05and even then
26:06I wasn't that person.
26:07Well, I would hope
26:08you're not the same person
26:09but we're sitting here now
26:10and we're trying
26:11to sort something out now.
26:12You guys said
26:12I'm free to leave, right?
26:14Sure.
26:15You're going to leave.
26:16Okay.
26:17We'll go ahead
26:17and get you out front, okay?
26:18We'll get Kristen
26:19so you can get
26:19the car keys, I guess,
26:21and then you guys
26:21and you can be on your way.
26:22The detectives
26:23leave him alone
26:24for a moment
26:25where he shares
26:25some parting thoughts
26:26with the empty room.
26:39Travis walks
26:40but detectives
26:40catch up to him
26:41outside the sheriff's office
26:42to finally reveal
26:43the truly horrifying nature
26:45of Jacqueline's injury.
26:47How would we not know
26:48if it was one of the nurses
26:49that moved her wrong
26:50or anything like that?
26:51Because the nurse
26:52wasn't at the camper with you.
26:53Yeah, I know that
26:54but when they got to the site
26:56and they started picking her up
26:57and putting her on the stretcher
26:59how would I not know
27:00if it was one of them?
27:01The injury that she suffered
27:03is how she got in that condition.
27:05But the thing is
27:05no one can explain to me
27:06what this injury is.
27:07Her spine is broken.
27:09Her spine is broken.
27:10Her spine is broken.
27:11It's a huge deal.
27:12Very serious break.
27:14Yeah, I understand that.
27:16That's not something
27:17I could inflict on a child.
27:19That's also not accurate.
27:21Now, I felt it was odd
27:22during your portion
27:24of the interview
27:24where we get to the broken bone
27:27we start talking about things.
27:28It's not specific
27:29where the broken bone was
27:30but somebody
27:31during that interview
27:32Travis, you
27:33discussed the injury
27:35or the complaints
27:36about pain in the back
27:37and then you even went
27:39as far as to point
27:40to a general area
27:41again.
27:42Those are clues.
27:43Something inside of you
27:44knew that
27:45that she was
27:46going to have a back problem
27:48that was going to come up
27:48and then we come out here
27:49we didn't tell you
27:50until we came out here
27:51that it was a spinal issue.
27:53That completely blew my mind.
27:55I don't understand.
27:56It didn't blow your mind
27:57because you knew
27:57specifically where the injury
27:58was probably going to be discussed.
28:00You knew it was going to be
28:01somewhere in her back
28:01because of what happened.
28:02You got to quickly say
28:04that's over here.
28:05I've sat.
28:06The person looked different.
28:07The person's name was different
28:08but I've heard this exact same story
28:09about a thud
28:10that happened down the hall.
28:11Okay, so you're going to
28:12compare my story
28:12to something else.
28:13Yes, I am right now.
28:14100%.
28:14All right, then I want to go home.
28:16Nobody's stopping you
28:17from going home.
28:18You got the keys to the car.
28:19It's over there.
28:19No, I don't.
28:19I have the keys to my Jeep.
28:21It's broken.
28:23Are you outside?
28:24Yeah.
28:25Is anybody holding you hostage?
28:27No, but I mean
28:27I don't want to be rude.
28:29Just walk off.
28:30Walk off?
28:31You're not going to offend us.
28:32Sure.
28:33100%.
28:33If that's the thing
28:34you're into, man.
28:35Listen, all it's going to do
28:36is leave unanswered questions.
28:37But as it turns out,
28:38Travis isn't quite as free to go
28:40as they suggest.
28:41Earlier, he sent some text messages
28:43to Kristen suggesting
28:44he might do something
28:45drastic to himself
28:46that would bring
28:47this entire situation
28:48to an end.
28:49Yeah, with all this going on,
28:51yeah, it kind of makes me want to.
28:53Because I didn't do anything.
28:55And there's no way
28:55that I'm going to be able
28:56to live with myself
28:57knowing that I can't answer
28:59anybody's questions
29:00with the answers I don't have.
29:02And why am I getting put up?
29:04Did you want to explain anything?
29:06So, Travis,
29:07because of some of the statements
29:09that you've made,
29:10I have a little bit of a concern
29:11for your well-being.
29:13Hey, Baker,
29:14acting in me.
29:15We are.
29:15We don't want you
29:16to hurt yourself.
29:17I can't,
29:17I can't,
29:18in good faith,
29:19after what you've said,
29:20the text messages,
29:21the conversation that we've had,
29:23let you walk away from here
29:26knowing that that's the way
29:27that you feel about it.
29:28That's how I feel
29:29about everything.
29:31Travis is transported
29:32by a deputy
29:33to a mental health facility.
29:34And what follows
29:35is a slowdown
29:36in the investigation
29:37as detectives wait
29:38to get the full reports
29:39from the medical examiner.
29:41Those reports come back
29:42in September,
29:43four months later.
29:44And it's at this time
29:45that Travis is arrested
29:46and brought back
29:47into the interrogation room
29:48for one last talk.
29:49Just take a seat right there.
29:52Can you put these
29:53in front of me?
29:53For right now,
29:54you're going to stay like that,
29:55so just take a seat.
30:00God damn it.
30:04Goodbye,
30:04job opportunity.
30:06As soon as we're done,
30:07we're going to come in
30:08and talk to you.
30:09So let me,
30:09let me get somebody
30:10to move those handcuffs.
30:29Travis gets his cuffs moved
30:35and finds himself
30:36face to face
30:37with the detectives
30:37once again.
30:38This time around,
30:39they aren't holding
30:40anything back.
30:42So what I want to know,
30:43Travis,
30:44is what actually happened.
30:46We went to the lake.
30:47Kristen went to work.
30:48We were there
30:48for like 20 minutes.
30:50I brought her back.
30:51She wanted to watch CatDog.
30:53I put on CatDog.
30:54I went to the bathroom.
30:55I heard something hit the floor.
30:56I opened the door.
30:57She wasn't moving.
30:59Unresponsive.
31:00What was the injury
31:01that they did to the doctor?
31:02I'm not sure.
31:03You guys told me
31:04that her spine was snapped.
31:05But how is that not
31:06something you catch
31:06at the hospital
31:07when they first gave
31:08her cat scans and x-rays?
31:09They don't just miss that.
31:10Well, now they do.
31:11And I have...
31:12No, they don't.
31:13They do.
31:14My sister works
31:15in the hospital.
31:15She told me that.
31:17She's literally
31:18a professional.
31:19You don't miss stuff like that.
31:20She might be,
31:21but I have the x-rays
31:22and I have the explanation
31:23as to why it was missed
31:24in the x-rays.
31:26Because of the way
31:26the break was,
31:27it did not show up
31:28in an x-ray.
31:29Okay?
31:30I was there.
31:30I've seen this.
31:31but just to tell you
31:34what the doctor put
31:35is that she had
31:37traumatic injuries
31:38to her torso
31:40with a disarticulation.
31:42Do you know
31:42what disarticulation means?
31:45No.
31:45A complete separation
31:47through and through
31:48break of her lumbar spine.
31:50Travis,
31:51there is no explanation.
31:53That's what I'm trying
31:54to tell you.
31:54You guys think
31:55I'm holding,
31:55withholding information.
31:56I've told you everything.
31:57I don't know.
31:58You don't think
31:58this bothers me?
31:59The entire time
32:00I sat in jail
32:00this didn't bother me?
32:01The entire time
32:01I've been out
32:02it hasn't bothered me?
32:03That there's no explanation?
32:05But the lack
32:06of explanation
32:06doesn't stop Travis
32:07from throwing theories
32:09at the wall
32:09in the hopes
32:10that something will stick.
32:11All I can really tell you
32:12is that in that 10 minutes
32:13of me being in the bathroom
32:15she was out there
32:15with Luca.
32:16I don't know.
32:17It's probably an injury
32:18that happened before
32:19and finally caught up.
32:20I know that's possible.
32:22So you stumbled out there.
32:23That could have been
32:24when I was giving her CPR.
32:25So how would I not know
32:26it happened at the hospital?
32:27Sure.
32:28It's because you missed it
32:29the first time
32:30and somehow it magically appears
32:32the second other time
32:33you gave an autopsy.
32:34So this new thing
32:35we've shifted to now
32:35is that the hospital staff
32:37broke her back in half?
32:38Because I just want to know
32:39before I start.
32:39No, that's not what I'm saying.
32:40Okay, let me understand.
32:41How do you miss that
32:42in the first place?
32:43What was the body release
32:44because they have no issues
32:45messaging me
32:46asking me how I sleep
32:47and I send me her remains
32:48in a plastic bag
32:49on your container.
32:50Travis, what we're doing here
32:51is we're doing a lot of
32:53I say something
32:54and I try to bring up
32:55a certain topic
32:56of what happened
32:56and then you hold up
32:58a red herring
32:59and you say
32:59look over here at this
33:00and we go to something else.
33:02You're talking about
33:02the hospital breaking her back.
33:04You're talking about
33:04not believing the x-rays.
33:06These things are all
33:09We're telling you.
33:10We're not making any of it up.
33:11I promise you
33:12we're not making
33:12any of this stuff up
33:13and we're going to have
33:13to talk about
33:14what really happened
33:15because what you've told us
33:16so far is not accurate
33:17and I want to put the train
33:19back on the track
33:20and talk about real things
33:22and the real thing
33:23that happened
33:23that her back broke
33:25and that moment
33:26that you knew
33:26she wasn't okay
33:28and you weren't
33:28in the bathroom
33:29sitting in the toilet
33:30when you know
33:31when that happened.
33:32Whenever she changed
33:34and she wasn't
33:34and I hope you want
33:36to take it back
33:37when she wasn't okay anymore
33:40I want to go to that moment
33:41and I want you to tell us
33:42about that moment.
33:43Which moment?
33:44When she wasn't okay
33:46When she wasn't okay
33:47I freaked the f*** out.
33:50What did you do to her
33:51that caused that?
33:52I didn't do nothing.
33:54I do not believe that.
33:55Doctors don't believe that.
33:56See that's the thing
33:57no one's going to believe me
33:58regardless of what I say.
34:00The truth would be explained by you.
34:02I've told you the truth.
34:03I've told you everything
34:04that I know.
34:05You have my phone
34:06you documented everything
34:07on my phone
34:07and you've got all these
34:08other people
34:09that want to throw
34:09their opinions in there
34:10just because they don't like me.
34:12The detectives explain to Travis
34:13that the medical personnel
34:14on the case don't know him
34:16and they offer him possibilities
34:17that actually fit
34:18with the evidence.
34:20We would be interested
34:20in knowing exactly
34:22what the mechanism was
34:23that this happened
34:24was it a super hard hug
34:26was it a over the knee
34:29break the back
34:30just stop crying.
34:31The bad aspect
34:32we don't knew
34:32not much
34:34but the point is
34:37is that we're trying
34:38to understand
34:38how the injury occurred.
34:40You're there
34:41there's a moment
34:42it's something
34:42I'm hoping you're not
34:43very proud of
34:44and we're hoping
34:46you can explain that
34:47that to us Travis
34:48we're not here to judge you.
34:49You know when I open the door
34:50and see she's unresponsive
34:52that's when I freaked out.
34:53That's not how that happened Travis.
34:55That's how that happened
34:56I was there
34:57I saw it with my eyes.
34:58I guess we could
34:59play it like that
35:00he breaks her back
35:01he lets her lay
35:01on the ground
35:02dying
35:02and he goes
35:03I was in the camper
35:07trying to keep her alive
35:08I believe that you did that
35:11I do believe that you did
35:12try to keep her alive
35:13but I didn't do anything
35:15to hurt her
35:16that's the part
35:17I don't believe
35:17of course you don't
35:18no one does right.
35:20Other detectives
35:21rotate in to question Travis
35:22and they are all
35:24united on that.
35:25It's simple as that
35:28you know it is
35:29that injury
35:31incapacitated
35:32that little girl
35:32at no point
35:34could she ever
35:35do anything
35:36ever again
35:36and maybe
35:37just maybe
35:38had you been honest
35:40at the beginning
35:40and called 911
35:42and don't
35:43called 911
35:45instead of calling Kristen
35:46called 911
35:48and then told them
35:48exactly what happened
35:49maybe I got a little
35:51frustrated
35:51that she'd be still alive
35:52today and we wouldn't
35:53be sitting here
35:54but you hid it
35:55you didn't call 911
35:57you hid it
35:58from Kristen
35:59you hid it
36:00from the doctors
36:01at the hospital
36:02you hid it
36:03from the personnel
36:03in the ambulance
36:04and she could have
36:05maybe been saved
36:06and you're hiding it still
36:08and this is your opportunity
36:10when you say
36:11I should have called 911
36:12first
36:12yeah I should have
36:13yeah you should have
36:14but you know what else
36:15you should have done
36:15is not do what you did
36:16to that little girl
36:17in addition to their questions
36:19about what exactly
36:20happened inside that camper
36:21the detectives have
36:22deep concerns
36:23about Travis
36:24and Kristen's
36:24recent breakup
36:25and how it may have
36:26affected his state of mind
36:28and I can see
36:29all these text messages
36:29Travis
36:30you say that this breakup
36:31and all was in the
36:32back of your mind
36:32and that it was stressful
36:34but it was alright
36:35where your phone
36:37paints a different picture
36:38Travis
36:38where your entire
36:39conversation with Kristen
36:41is you begging her
36:42to come back
36:42and her saying
36:43Travis leave me alone
36:45or I'm going to block you
36:46and then you sending her
36:4710, 15, 20 text messages
36:49in a row
36:50phone calls
36:52all of the
36:53google searches
36:54that you were doing
36:54of how to fix
36:56your relationship
36:57how to get your
36:58ex-girlfriend back
36:59all of these
37:00different things
37:00that you're doing
37:01this entire time
37:02that all of this
37:03is going on
37:04only a week or so
37:05before Jacqueline's death
37:07text messages show
37:08a relationship
37:09on the decline
37:10at one point
37:11Travis texts
37:12there's no way
37:13you're that
37:14fucked up
37:14or that
37:14of a person
37:15to literally
37:16sacrifice our friendship
37:17to get what you wanted
37:19and then string me along
37:20and us go through
37:21what we did
37:21in a later exchange
37:23Kristen texts Travis
37:24and says
37:25we should both
37:25be capable
37:26of supporting ourselves
37:27without the expectation
37:28of depending on the other
37:29Travis responds
37:31who gave you
37:32that unrealistic expectation
37:33that literally sounds
37:34like if anything
37:35were to happen
37:36to either of us
37:36we wouldn't be there
37:37to help each other at all
37:38that message was sent
37:40less than 24 hours
37:41before the incident
37:42in the camper
37:43I can see
37:44that emotion
37:46in these text messages
37:47and I can tell you
37:48from what I've been told
37:49from the people
37:50that are also involved
37:51in this
37:52is they see these
37:53text messages
37:54of you
37:55extremely upset
37:56because
37:57the girl that you love
37:58has just told you
37:59that she doesn't
37:59want to be with you
38:00she doesn't love you
38:01and she's moving out
38:02she tells you
38:03all of that
38:04you feel like
38:05this entire time
38:05that you've been
38:06with her
38:06has been completely
38:07wasted
38:07and she's turned
38:08her back
38:08and walked away
38:09on you
38:09I have
38:11your prior history
38:13where you broke
38:14another child's arm
38:17that child also
38:18showed history
38:19of previous injuries
38:20that's from his dad
38:22that family
38:23no one
38:23see look
38:24my past
38:25no one's been
38:25bothered talking to me
38:27again just like
38:28this time
38:28no one's bothered
38:29to come talk to me
38:29I can tell you
38:30I'm sitting here
38:31to talk to you
38:31right now
38:32I don't want to go
38:33up to jail dude
38:34I didn't do nothing
38:35so I'm looking
38:37at the previous reports
38:38the family's telling me
38:39that the kids
38:40start getting hurt
38:41when you're around
38:42and then
38:43let me finish
38:44and then
38:45ends up in the ER
38:46with a broken arm
38:47and all these incidents
38:48that get explained
38:49that he fell into
38:50a place at
38:51and all of these
38:52different things
38:53that happen
38:53and then fast forward
38:55three years to the day
38:56yeah
38:57you don't think
38:57I haven't thought
38:58about this
39:00but despite that
39:02statement
39:02the detectives
39:03aren't sure
39:03Travis understands
39:04exactly how bad
39:05it is
39:06everything that I'm
39:07looking at
39:08all of these
39:09test results
39:09all of the findings
39:10all of the opinions
39:11from these doctors
39:12that have done this
39:12for years
39:13shows that this is
39:15possibly something
39:16that you
39:17plan to do
39:18plan to do
39:20you guys know
39:22the charges
39:22he's being charged with
39:23yeah so
39:24I told you
39:25in the parking lot
39:26yeah first degree
39:27homicide
39:27what the
39:28do you know
39:29the implications
39:29no I don't
39:30I don't know
39:32it's eligible
39:33for the death penalty
39:33Travis
39:36I'm gonna die
39:38look I didn't
39:40say that
39:40I mean a long
39:41enough timeline
39:42we're all gonna
39:43test the plan
39:44that's not what
39:45he's saying
39:45is a plausible
39:46the death penalty
39:47is plausible
39:47in the first degree
39:48homicide
39:49hey Travis
39:49what I'm trying
39:50to do
39:51is I'm trying
39:52to paint you
39:52in the picture
39:53so that we can
39:54we can move away
39:55from that a little bit
39:56I don't want to
39:57die dude
39:58once again
39:59the detectives
40:00encouraged Travis
40:01to give them
40:01an alternative
40:02explanation
40:02such as his
40:04emotions getting
40:04the better
40:05of him in the
40:05moment
40:06if I'm such an
40:07emotional person
40:08you think I
40:08wouldn't express
40:09guilt
40:09well I think
40:10someone that
40:11would have
40:12remorse
40:12and would actually
40:13care about
40:14kids and things
40:15would have
40:15some kind of
40:16guilt
40:16I'm a little
40:17on the edge
40:18about that
40:19you seem like
40:19maybe you're
40:20really into you
40:21and you aren't
40:21really into other
40:22things
40:22I can care less
40:23about my own
40:24well-being
40:24thank you
40:25but the detectives
40:26say that's not
40:27the story they read
40:28in his text messages
40:29they paint a
40:31completely different
40:32picture
40:32because all of your
40:34text messages to
40:35Kristen and everybody
40:36else are all about
40:38you what you want
40:39what you need
40:40all centered around
40:42Travis
40:42where you're using
40:44Kristen a single mom
40:46to support yourself
40:48you're living in her
40:49camper
40:50all of this stuff
40:51that's going on
40:52you're asking her
40:54for money
40:54you're accusing her
40:58of abandoning you
40:59and leaving you
41:00alone in the camper
41:01begging her to come
41:02back
41:03all of these things
41:04all about you
41:05Travis do the right
41:07thing
41:07do something
41:09that's not for
41:10yourself
41:10I do it
41:12that's not me
41:13convincing myself
41:14that's me digging
41:15my heels
41:15and trying to put
41:16on a face
41:17sorry being fake
41:18isn't one of my
41:19best personas
41:21I would argue
41:22it's pretty high up
41:23there
41:23at several points
41:24in the interview
41:25the detectives
41:25urged Travis
41:26to think about
41:27what this will
41:27look like
41:28inside a courtroom
41:29when you say
41:30that you
41:32never harmed her
41:33I don't think
41:34anyone in the
41:36entire world
41:37is going to
41:38believe that
41:38at all
41:39I don't know
41:40is my honest answer
41:41that's unacceptable
41:43I will make sure
41:44that I document
41:44that that is
41:45your answer
41:45to our question
41:47of how
41:48two year old
41:49toddler
41:49Jacqueline
41:50is dead
41:51I'll make sure
41:52that I document
41:53your answer
41:53is I don't
41:54know
41:54you're going
41:55to sit
41:55before the
41:55judge
41:56the jury
41:56everybody
41:57under the
41:57sun
41:58and Travis
41:58is going
41:59to say
41:59I don't
42:00know what
42:00happened
42:00to this
42:01innocent
42:01little girl
42:02that just
42:03wanted to
42:03watch cartoons
42:04and have a
42:04sippy cup
42:05and then her
42:06back ends up
42:07broken
42:07her spinal cord
42:08is broken
42:09she bleeds
42:10to death
42:10in pure agony
42:12and pain
42:13which I don't
42:14believe
42:14that
42:14believe it
42:15I'm telling
42:16you
42:17I don't
42:18know why
42:18the
42:18two year
42:19old
42:20succumbed
42:21back
42:21snapped
42:22in half
42:23and
42:23died
42:24in agony
42:25on the
42:25table
42:26while
42:26the
42:27hospital
42:27spent
42:28three
42:28hours
42:28trying
42:29to
42:30save
42:30her
42:30life
42:30they have
42:31no idea
42:32what's wrong
42:32with her
42:32there's
42:33somebody
42:33that doesn't
42:34provide any
42:35information
42:35on how
42:36it could
42:36have
42:36happened
42:37like
42:37the
42:37ER
42:37doctor
42:37that I
42:38talked
42:38to
42:38that
42:39she
42:39was
42:39crying
42:40in the
42:40hospital
42:40because
42:41she
42:41couldn't
42:41save
42:41the
42:41two
42:41year
42:42old
42:42that
42:42came
42:42into
42:42her
42:42hospital
42:43because
42:43she
42:43didn't
42:44know
42:44what
42:44was
42:44wrong
42:44could
42:45you
42:45had
42:47they
42:47given
42:47her
42:48an
42:48ultrasound
42:48like
42:49Kristen
42:49asked
42:49or
42:50had
42:50you
42:50told
42:50them
42:50the
42:50truth
42:51or
42:51back
42:51up
42:52a little
42:52bit
42:52further
42:52and
42:52you
42:52had
42:53not
42:53done
42:53what
42:53you
42:53did
42:53to
42:53her
42:54come
42:54on
42:55Travis
42:55blame
42:56the
42:56doctor
42:56the
42:57doctors
42:57explained
42:58that
42:58the
42:58pain
42:58was
42:58so
42:58excruciating
42:59that's
42:59probably
43:00why
43:00she
43:00was
43:00unconscious
43:01she
43:02wasn't
43:02unconscious
43:02okay
43:05that's
43:08but
43:09Travis
43:09never
43:09gives
43:10the
43:10detectives
43:10a
43:10version
43:11of
43:11what
43:11happened
43:11to
43:11Jacqueline
43:12that
43:12matches
43:12the
43:13evidence
43:13and
43:13he
43:14resigns
43:14himself
43:14to
43:15his
43:15likely
43:16fate
43:36victim
43:37Travis
43:37who
43:38do
43:38you
43:38care
43:38about
43:38besides
43:39yourself
43:39nobody
43:40that's
43:41a
43:41apparent
43:42that's
43:43a
43:43true
43:43statement
43:43that
43:44is
43:44the
43:44truth
43:44according
43:46to a
43:46press
43:46release
43:47from the
43:47state
43:47attorney's
43:48office
43:48the
43:49medical
43:49examiner
43:49determined
43:50that
43:50Travis
43:50applied
43:51significant
43:52gradual
43:52force
43:53to the
43:53victim's
43:53upper
43:53and
43:54lower
43:54body
43:54and
43:55bent
43:55her
43:55backward
43:56beyond
43:56her
43:56natural
43:57range
43:57of
43:57motion
43:58until
43:58her
43:58back
43:59broke
44:0224 year
44:03old
44:03Travis
44:04Ray
44:04Thompson
44:04was
44:05charged
44:05with
44:05first
44:05degree
44:06murder
44:06and
44:06went
44:06to
44:07trial
44:07three
44:07years
44:08later
44:08in
44:08June
44:082025
44:09without
44:10ever
44:10admitting
44:11any
44:11responsibility
44:12for
44:12Jacqueline
44:13Schwingel's
44:13death
44:14despite
44:14that
44:15it
44:15only
44:15took
44:15the
44:15jury
44:15two
44:16hours
44:16to
44:16decide
44:17he
44:17was
44:18convicted
44:18of
44:18first
44:18degree
44:19murder
44:19and
44:19given
44:20a
44:20life
44:20sentence
44:20in
44:21a
44:21statement
44:22the
44:22state
44:22attorney
44:22said
44:23bluntly
44:23life
44:24in
44:24prison
44:24is
44:24too
44:25good
44:25for
44:25this
44:25kind
44:26of
44:26evil
44:26Travis
44:27has
44:28appealed
44:28his
44:28conviction
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