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00:04.
00:05And you can see it?
00:07Maybe you can see it?
00:12.
00:13.
00:17You can see it?
00:23.
00:24Hello.
00:26Can I buy a book?
00:30Have you been to visit?
00:31Yes.
00:32There is not yet?
00:34Yes, yes.
00:34Yes, yes.
00:35Yes, yes.
00:35Yes, yes.
00:36Yes, yes.
00:37This place is the most beautiful city of the world.
00:45The place of the world is the 강호동.
00:48Welcome.
00:49Yes, yes.
00:51But we have a lot of books to buy.
00:55But you can buy books to buy?
00:58Yes, I want to buy a book to buy.
01:04But I can't buy a book to buy.
01:06But I can't buy a book to buy.
01:08No, no.
01:11Yes.
01:12I used to buy a book to buy.
01:14But I can't buy a book to buy.
01:19Oh, right.
01:20Yes.
01:21Yes, yes.
01:22Yes, yes.
01:22Yes, yes.
01:25Yes, yes.
01:28Yes, yes.
01:35Yes, yes.
01:41Yes, yes.
01:45Yes, yes.
01:47Yes, yes.
01:50Yes, yes.
01:57Yes, yes.
01:58It's just a bit.
02:00Just a bit.
02:02Yeah, help me.
02:04Then...
02:05How do you find the book?
02:05How do you find it?
02:07How do you find it?
02:07You do not want to bless.
02:08All right.
02:09I used to have a lot of eyes.
02:11I used to see that.
02:16I used to have my legs.
02:18I used to use my legs to prepare my legs.
02:20I used to give you a lot of attention.
02:22That's right.
02:24I felt like a small pressure was lost.
02:30I felt like a lot of people that were done.
02:32It's been a lot of fun because I had a lot of fun.
02:38The first thing is that we can make a deal of money like this.
02:43But it could take a lot of money that can make money.
02:44But the number of money is to pay much money into the money.
02:48It could be a lot of money that we haven't bought money.
02:53We'll talk about your company and what you can recommend to our phone.
03:00It's fine.
03:01As you can see, your name is Isis Cade
03:02Yes, right
03:03Your name is Do you know?
03:05It's a 3-0 3-0 3-0-0
03:075-0 3-0
03:093-0 3-0
03:10So 3-0
03:12Then 2-0
03:144-0
03:15It's a 4-0
03:18So then, 1-0, 2-0, 1-0
03:25Your job is a board game theatre?
03:27How can I write a book?
03:30It's possible that I can create a job.
03:33I made a book on the UIST,
03:36I'm also an author of the UIST,
03:37so I can write a book about it.
03:40So, I can write a book.
03:43So, I'm writing a book,
03:45and I'm writing a book,
03:46and I'm writing a book,
03:48so that's what I'm writing a book about it.
03:52I'm writing a book,
03:54and I'm writing a book.
03:56I think I can't do my job.
04:01I think I can't do my job.
04:02I think I'm a senior.
04:05I'm a senior.
04:07I'm a senior.
04:08Oh, so...
04:10Oh, so...
04:11Yes, I'm a senior.
04:13How are you doing this?
04:15I'm a senior.
04:18I read this book.
04:20I read this book.
04:23Here it's a book.
04:24Yeah!
04:25It's a dream.
04:26I love it.
04:28Oh...
04:28I read that book.
04:34I've read that I've read.
04:38I didn't really know how to read it.
04:41It's so strange.
04:41I know just...
04:42I feel like you're accepting the feelings of 300 people,
04:44and if you are true,
04:48I feel like my family needs to be treated in a way.
04:51Oh, so...
04:53How do you write a book about this book?
04:55It's also a book of my life in the world,
04:59and a book of facts wise.
05:03The book of my life in the world in life is really complex.
05:11But you can also write a book like that in the world of life.
05:11Yes.
05:12Tell me about it.
05:14What is it?
05:17Yes.
05:17What is it?
05:18It's not.
05:19Yes.
05:20Yes, a frog.
05:22So, it's a word for the word.
05:24It's a word for the word for the word.
05:25Yes.
05:26Like a frog, a bird, a bird, like this.
05:31It's a frog.
05:33That's what the word is called?
05:34It's a frog.
05:35It's a frog.
05:37Yes.
05:40So, what's your favorite word?
05:44I think I'm a frog.
05:47No, I mean, it's a frog.
05:48Oh, it's true.
05:50It's a frog.
05:54It's a frog.
05:59Yeah, a frog.
06:00I think I'm a frog, a frog.
06:01It's a frog.
06:05What's your favorite word?
06:06I'm not sure if you're not mistaken.
06:08I don't know what to do.
06:11It's a frog.
06:12so this is what is the case.
06:15But the глух is better than the other.
06:18So I'm like, I'm going to do this when I'm going to take a look at the same time.
06:21But I'm going to do this at the same time.
06:27So I think we're going to be able to get a lot of wisdom.
06:29The new one is all right.
06:31Then we read the book in a book called E.S.E.D. Orinan.
06:34We're going to read a book.
06:38I'm going to be able to read about the first of all.
06:39How do we start to get into that?
06:41What's your name
06:43My father, I love Thymys
06:48He's too owners
06:49the muslim part
06:54and now he's on the way
07:03he stays with the food
07:04That's what I taught
07:06So I started to start with my own.
07:10But I think it's hard to see.
07:16I'm not sure when I was 15 years old when I was a kid.
07:20I was not sure when I was 15 years old.
07:21I was 16 years old when I was 15 years old.
07:24I was a kid who was winning.
07:26I was a kid who was a kid who was a kid.
07:28I started to get to the kid.
07:32It was so fun.
07:34That was a great thing.
07:36Because of that,
07:38when I was 1,000 years old,
07:39I'd have to lose my life.
07:41That's not good.
07:43I think it's easy to lose my life.
07:44I think it's hard to lose my life.
07:46If I'm 9, 10 years old,
07:48I'm not going to lose my life.
07:50I think it's hard to lose my life.
07:53I think it's a good thing.
07:54I think it's hard to lose my life.
07:57I think it's hard to lose my life.
08:00It was fun to be so happy.
08:04I'm going to lose my life.
08:05I think it's hard to lose my life.
08:07When I started looking at my life,
08:08I grew up.
08:12But I didn't go love it.
08:14It was hard to lose my life.
08:15But it wasn't possible.
08:16Holy姐, my parents were also very low?
08:18I remember that.
08:21My parents gave me a lot to lose my life.
08:24My parents gave me a lot,
08:26so they were tired.
08:28But I had to lose my life.
08:30I don't know if my father would kill him like this and the euchаны would kill me with death.
08:32These were just the fellows belly and weird.
08:37When they fight at kiddo, we fight at okay let's go and kill him just.
08:46The mostibel age of BUT.
08:47We just see what or not we can say a few times when he's doing a study atchtone.
08:53They didn't know about some people.
08:59I've been very familiar with you.
09:02You've been making a lot of wine.
09:05You've been making a small hole in the hole.
09:09Really?
09:10I can't remember that.
09:12I can't remember that.
09:15I can't remember that.
09:17It's a little bit of a joy.
09:18I've been drinking some wine.
09:19I've been drinking some wine.
09:26I know that he's a lot of people.
09:29When I was young, I would say my husband was a little different.
09:30I remember when I was 6, I had a job to be a friend of mine.
09:36I ended up being a part of my life.
09:37I didn't know what I was going to say.
09:41I was wondering if I had a job to see what I was going to say.
09:43The voice was so clear.
09:50That's what I remember.
09:53That's what I remember.
09:53Why did you say that?
09:54You said that you were all in the same place.
09:58That was 1989.
10:01That's when I was a young man.
10:04That's when I was a young man.
10:06Yes, that's when I was a young man.
10:08I was a young man watching TV.
10:11I was a young man watching TV.
10:14He was watching TV.
10:17He said,
10:19I said,
10:20I can't do it.
10:22I can't do it.
10:24I can't do it.
10:24I can't do it.
10:53What did you say?
10:54Who did you say that?
10:55When I came to play a photo.
10:56I was 18 year old.
10:57I was going to play a photo."
11:00How did you Work?
11:01I was really proud of the first time I had the best that I was in the middle of the
11:05year.
11:06I had to admit that I was not a very proud of the year before I got into the year.
11:11But I had to admit that I was very proud of the year.
11:16You're right?
11:17When I was at the age of the year, I was very proud of the year.
11:23When I was very young, I had to go to the age of the year.
11:29I'm not sure how much I can do it.
11:32It's so good.
11:34It's so good.
11:36I didn't think I had a good deal.
11:37It's not a good deal.
11:39I was just a little late.
11:44I was just a little late.
11:46I was really confident.
11:47I was like,
11:48I'm the best.
11:50I was like, I'm the best.
11:51I was like, I'm not sure.
11:54that I felt really cool
11:55so maybe at B곰도 where it will turn around
12:00the environment will look better
12:02I am not really cool
12:04I haven't thought you exactly the reality
12:06No
12:07the most I think
12:10my friends are my name
12:11my friends are my name
12:14and my friends have a retreat
12:18and my friends are my friend
12:20my friends because
12:22There were five people who were together with me, including me.
12:26I also loved my friends and loved my friends.
12:30I also loved my friends and my wife.
12:33I also loved my friends.
12:34If I'm a pro, I don't know if it's good or not.
12:40I'm perfect.
12:41I don't care about it.
12:43And I'm a pro.
12:45I'm a pro.
12:45I'm a pro Woody.
12:47I'm a pro.
12:50I feel like a pro is a pro.
12:54It's a pro.
12:56I'm a pro.
12:57I'm a pro.
12:58I feel like I was born with a pro.
12:59I feel like I was born with some very many years.
13:03I don't care about it.
13:04I feel like I'm not alone.
13:06I feel like I got married.
13:08I can't afford to keep my friends.
13:09I got married.
13:10It's not easy to say this.
13:12But you're 12 years old.
13:15A little bit like this, I'll get a little bit more.
13:20But you're a pro-doctor, you're a little younger, but you have a son of a lot of his son.
13:24Yes, I'm a pro-doctor.
13:26I'm a pro-doctor, he's not a bad man.
13:30He's a pro-doctor, he's 96 years old.
13:34This is a bad man, it's not a bad man.
13:38So I didn't have a lot of success in 1998.
13:43So when did you come back to me when did you come back to me?
13:47When did you come back to me?
13:49I came back to my father.
13:56It was my birthday.
13:58It was my birthday.
13:59My birthday.
14:02My birthday.
14:04My birthday was my birthday.
14:08I went back to my birthday.
14:09My birthday, I was like, hey, my birthday?
14:13I'm not gonna go back to my birthday.
14:14I came back to my birthday, but it was not me.
14:23I was so sorry for my birthday.
14:28I think I can't do it.
14:30I think that it's in my own position.
14:33I think it's a really difficult time to get out of my own.
14:38I've seen it a lot.
14:43It's a bit better.
14:49I think I can't only do this because I feel like I'm going to be here.
14:54I feel like I'm a hero.
14:55So it was a year after that.
14:58It was a year after 1999.
14:59And then 2000.
15:01It was a year after that.
15:04It was a year after that.
15:05I can't remember my heart.
15:10I can't remember my heart.
15:13I can't remember my heart.
15:14How did you feel?
15:17I can't remember my heart.
15:25I can't remember my heart.
15:31I can't remember my heart because I'm not going to go down.
15:33I can't remember my heart.
15:37It's a year after that.
15:38We have to go to the bus.
15:39We have to go.
15:41We have to go down the bus.
15:42We have to go down the bus.
15:43We have to get out of the bus.
15:47It's hard.
15:49I'm hard to go to the bus.
15:50I was like, I'm not going to be able to get out of it.
15:55That's the last thing I was going to be.
15:59Why are you so bad?
16:02I don't know if I'm going to get out of it.
16:10I'm not going to get out of it.
16:12I'm not going to get out of it.
16:16I'm not going to get out of it.
16:19I think that it's also...
16:21Yes, I've seen a lot of people in my life.
16:28I've seen a lot of my parents' back then.
16:34Especially my darling, my darling.
16:38So you've been coming out of it.
16:41But I think that's what I'm sure about.
16:46But I think that's what I'm sure about my father's dream.
16:52I'm sure you all know my father's dream.
16:57I'm sure I'm sure.
17:25And there were so many winners of the producers who had gotten to my name,
17:29but then they will be more damp.
17:34They should have been soft, and there were no winners.
17:39The first thing I saw a little was really strong in the name.
17:40That's why I thought he was apt to clarify the name I was calling for.
17:41I think it's 10th century.
17:43Yes, yes.
17:44What do you think?
17:46Many of them are the biggest event in the Alpago.
17:50I think it's 10th century.
17:54I think it's 10th century.
17:58The 10th century, I don't know.
18:00But it's not like the president of Alpago.
18:02It's not like the president of Alpago.
18:03It's not like the president of Alpago.
18:04It's not like the president of Alpago.
18:10It's 8th century.
18:11It's a 1-1 rule.
18:45nak forth
18:46KURI doesn't say to the president, who is he's the best rival?
18:49What about his title?
18:53I'd call him KAN-ZUNG-1
18:57... and that was last time
19:02KURI isn't even an expert
19:05I was really proud of him.
19:13It was a long time ago.
19:15It was a long time ago.
19:18It was a long time ago.
19:20It was a long time ago.
19:21Yes, yes, yes, yes.
19:22I was able to do some training.
19:25Yes.
19:27I didn't like it.
19:30I didn't like it.
19:31Yes, yes, yes.
19:33I was able to go back-to-富装 in 2005 to 2008.
19:39I decided to make it more than 1.
19:42I really can see that it was a lot of fun.
19:46I've been a while to make that.
19:49I've been in 2009 since the first time.
19:54I've been in the first time.
19:55It was a while I was in the first place.
19:57I'm in the first place.
19:59The first time I 맞aten.
20:01I was in the early 2012,
20:06I got a lot of 4 years to go to the Hulu.
20:09I was trying to get a lot of the gig.
20:12I was trying to play a lot of the game.
20:13I could play a lot, but I couldn't play a lot.
20:17I could play a lot of the game.
20:21That was a great job, right?
20:25Yes, I was trying to play a lot.
20:28I think I'm going to try to get a team, but I think I'm going to win a team.
20:34I'm going to win a team!
20:35I'm going to win a team that I won last year.
20:38I'm going to win a team.
20:40So that was the last match of the game.
20:43The team is 2-1-2-2-2.
20:45It's a team.
20:46Yeah.
20:47It's a team that's a team.
20:48Yeah, it's a team that's going to win.
20:52So that's what we're looking for.
20:54So, it's the skill of the strength of the U.S. U.S.
20:57and how did the U.S. do this?
21:00So, the U.S. has to be a new one.
21:03But I think it's really one of the first things he's going to do.
21:05But U.S. U.S. is a lot of talk about 13 years ago.
21:08So, they did not receive the U.S.
21:09Yes, they did not receive the U.S.
21:11So, it's a risk for the U.S.
21:17But the conclusion is that you can't deny the 10th century.
21:24You have to do it.
21:46You can't deny the 10th century.
21:50You can't deny the 10th century.
21:55The goal was to start the 10th century.
21:59But it was a bit early.
22:02I thought...
22:04I'm sorry.
22:08I was able to win the 6th century.
22:11The goal was to win the 10th century.
22:14The goal was to win the 10th century.
22:18It was a really important thing.
22:20Yeah, it's a really good rival.
22:23Yeah, it's a real rival.
22:23It is a real rival.
22:25Yeah.
22:26We were together and we were laughing and laughing.
22:30We were like, what do you think?
22:32I'm like, what do you think?
22:34Yeah, what do you think?
22:36What do you think?
22:38What do you think?
22:40Yes.
22:55I'm gonna do it.
22:56And now we're gonna do it.
22:58AlphaGo's fight against AI.
23:01The only one.
23:02The only one.
23:03The most powerful, the most powerful,
23:04the most powerful, and the most powerful,
23:07the first big game.
23:10I think we've won the best.
23:12The most powerful, the most powerful,
23:12the most powerful, the most powerful.
23:16This is what the first time we got.
23:19I think I had my first job,
23:22I got the number of people,
23:23so I got the number of people.
23:26I got the number of people.
23:28I usually get the number of people,
23:29and I don't care.
23:31I have a good time to keep it back.
23:34After that, I got the number of people,
23:37it was a day after all.
23:37My name is Robert Zin,
23:41which is my friend.
23:41I was a guy who was in the background.
23:43He said, if he is in the background, will he be so much?
23:49So, I'm going to meet him.
23:52He said, I said he could go there and go there.
23:55I really felt like it was an event.
23:59The chess match was the moment of computer.
24:01The other day, when I was born, I thought it was going to be a good thing.
24:05But I thought it was the moment of 2016.
24:08I was just 16 years ago.
24:09But you had no doubt about this?
24:11Yes.
24:13So you don't have to do it?
24:14No, I don't have to do it.
24:16You don't have to do it anymore.
24:21I don't have to do it anymore.
24:22I have to do it.
24:24I don't think I should do it anymore.
24:30I've been involved in a lot of time with the help of the experts.
24:31that you can't have a chance to go.
24:34There is a lot of people here...
24:38There are lots of people who have access to it.
24:40And there are lots of people who are out there.
24:41So, it's not like I've been talking about it.
24:48So, you can't stop.
24:50I can't stop.
24:52I'm not sure...
24:53I'm sorry, you don't know how to do this.
24:56So, I'm really thinking about it.
24:58It was just like, right?
25:01All the time to turn out, I was told to play.
25:04And, in the system of the first time, I decided to talk to the
25:10This chemical development, this chemical development and this technology development, the developed development and the power of this technology-building
25:16development mechanism.
25:18And then, it was a good result of the fact that we can't get.
25:22To the beginning, it was a good result of the project which was the first.
25:27How does it feel like I can't remember it.
25:27Just like it was a little different.
25:28It was a different time ago, but I was excited to have one unless I was able to get the
25:32work done.
25:33And then..
25:37And then
25:38I think he's a good guy.
25:40The first one is Alphago.
25:43The second one is the one.
25:46He's coming to the other.
25:50So we can often take care of the situation.
25:58And you can take care of the situation.
26:02There's no desire to take care of the situation.
26:04I can't feel the courage to make a good feeling.
26:10I can't feel the strength and feeling.
26:13I can't feel the strength, but I can't feel the strength.
26:17I'm going to say,
26:21I have a chance to get a chance to get the strength and get up.
26:24I can't do it.
26:25I can't do it.
26:27I am sorry, I am sorry!
26:29He is so proud of what he's doing.
26:34Well, it's actually quite a bit.
26:36Yes, it's something that's hard.
26:40But it was really a shock.
26:46He's not able to get out of it.
26:48So, it's not something?
26:50But it's important that the number of people are not going on.
26:53Why are they not going on?
26:55We don't know what it is.
26:57I don't know what it is.
26:58We don't know what it is.
27:00You can't understand anything.
27:01We don't know what it is.
27:03We don't know what it is.
27:06What a problem.
27:09Why did we get it?
27:12But we don't know what it is.
27:14We don't know what the hell is going on.
27:16The weather is very serious.
27:19Why did we get it?
27:22She's serious.
27:24I don't know.
27:25We have to know what's going on.
27:25Are you serious?
27:28You know, you think the guys were doing this?
27:32I don't know what to do, but I don't know what to do.
27:36I don't know what to do.
27:37I don't know what to do.
27:38I don't know what to do.
27:41It's a shocker.
27:44And after that, it was 3.
27:47We won't be able to win.
27:50I don't know how much data is.
27:52It's a shocker.
27:54It's a shocker.
27:54Computer 1,200여 대를 연결한 알파고의 막강함이 서서히 드러나면서 176수만의 패배를 인정했습니다.
28:05책을 보면 호텔에 돌아왔잖아요.
28:07패배를 하고.
28:08호텔에 돌아왔는데 아무런 기억이 없다고 해요.
28:11제 아내 입장에서 글을 써 놓은 건데요.
28:25제 아내가 바둑을 전혀 몰라요.
28:28내가 바둑 얘기를 하면 이게 횡설수설로 들릴 거예요.
28:33왜 나한테 이런 얘기를 하지?
28:34뭐 이런.
28:35근데 저는 또 뭐라도 얘기를 하면 좀 풀리고.
28:39와이프한테 참 이렇게 웃으면.
28:42이렇게 웃으면 어땠을까?
28:44와이프가 어?
28:47그래서 와이프 입장에서는 정말 이 사람이 정신이 나갔구나.
28:51평소와는 좀 다른 느낌의.
28:54그랬을 것 같아요.
28:56그날이 결혼 개념일이었어요.
28:59그렇더라고요.
28:59결혼 10주년입니다.
29:01그걸 딥마인드에서 축하한다고 샴패 나눠.
29:04아이씨 어찌나야 그러든지.
29:06뭐야 무슨 뭘 축하해 지금.
29:10저는 당연히 제가 3대0으로 이기고 지금 막 이걸 즐기려고 막 준비해가지고.
29:15근데 뭐가 바뀌었잖아 지금 이게.
29:17샴패를 보냈어요.
29:20이건 책이 없었는데.
29:22아 진짜 얼마나 야 그러든지.
29:23그러면서 이제 참 재미있습니다.
29:26이게 왜냐면요.
29:27그 뒤에 바로 인류에게 희망을 준 이제.
29:3278소가 나옵니다.
29:33우리는 이런 걸 신의 한수라고 하는 거죠?
29:35네.
29:35좀 민망합니다.
29:38맞았나요?
29:39여기서 알파고가 패배를 선언했습니다.
29:44드디어 알파고를 이기는 방법을 찾아냈다는 분석도.
29:48알파고가 완벽하지만은 않다는 게 드러났다는 목소리도 나왔습니다.
30:15알파고의 연산 능력을 감안하면 완벽하게 들어오겠죠.
30:18일단 극초반?
30:20그건 제가 안 돼서 안 됩니다.
30:23사람이 안 돼서 안 됩니다.
30:26그럼 결국 중반전 승부를 할 수밖에 없었던 거예요.
30:29사실상.
30:31근데 거기서 이제 어떻게 해야 되느냐.
30:34정상적으로는 못 이기는 겁니다.
30:36정수대로도 우선은 못 이기는 겁니다.
30:37네.
30:38그럼 알파고를 찾기 위해서는?
30:40버그를 일으켜야 되는 거죠.
30:42알파고가 우리에게 기술적으로 충격을 준 부분이 하나 있습니다.
30:46뭐냐면 배제하는 거예요.
30:49예전에 바둑 프로그램 같은 경우에는
30:52우리 사람은 생각하지 않는 그런 것까지 다 생각을 했어야 돼요.
30:57말이 안 되는 자리도 컴퓨터는 생각을 했어야 돼요.
31:00근데 알파고는 배제를 합니다.
31:02전혀 불필요한 그런 것들 연산을 하지 않아요.
31:05배제를 해버립니다.
31:06근데 그게 초창기잖아요.
31:08거기서 약간씩 배제하지 않아야 될 것도 배제를 내버려요.
31:13그 부분이 하나 있고요.
31:15하나가 시간이 정해져 있었습니다.
31:17타이머가.
31:18한 수를 두는데
31:20쉽든 어렵든 얘는 50초 안에 둬야 돼요.
31:23예상 외에 어떤 자리를 제가 뒀을 때
31:262, 3분 있으면 상관이 없어요.
31:29근데 얘는 50초 안에 둬야 돼요.
31:32거기서 버그가 일어나는 겁니다.
31:35명확하게.
31:36형세가 다소 불리했던 대국 중반.
31:39이세돌 구단이 회심의 한 수.
31:4278수를 흑돌 사이에 놓습니다.
31:44이 승부수에 알파고는 이해하기 힘든 수들을
31:47바둑판 이곳저곳에 연발했습니다.
31:50진짜 진짜 내려놨다고 밖에 할 말이 없는데요.
31:52결국 이기는 기계 알파고는 자멸했습니다.
31:55이렇게 좋아해 주시고 박수도 쳐주시고 그런데
31:59저도 바둑에 있어서 신념, 철학 같은 게 있을 거잖아요.
32:07정면은 위배되는 수죠.
32:12저는 최선의 수.
32:14정수가 아닌 걸 알고
32:16의도적으로 이렇게 둔 거는
32:18그대로 처음 이제 마지막일 겁니다.
32:22본인의 바둑은 아니다.
32:26저도 핀치에 몰렸고요.
32:29그런데 저만 핀치에 몰린 게 아니잖아요.
32:32제 아내 아이가 같이 있었습니다.
32:34호텔에 같이 있었고 제 동료, 지인 다 같이 있었죠.
32:39저를 응원해 주신 분들도 많이 계셨고요.
32:42제가 만약에 저만의 패배라고 생각을 했으면
32:46그냥 그렇게 뒀을 겁니다.
32:49어떤 위료, 최고의 위료가 되고 싶고.
32:52저는 바둑을 예술로 배웠습니다.
32:58예술적인 관점에서 보면
33:01그런 승패는 작품을 만들어가는 과정에서 나오는
33:06그냥 하나의 부산물에 불과한 거거든요.
33:09승부 집착해서 본인이 대화수를 두지 못했을 때는
33:13아파하시는 거죠.
33:15그럼요.
33:15괴로워하는 게 아니고 괴로운 수준이 아니고 뭐.
33:19사람과의 대구였으면 절대 하지 않겠죠.
33:21물론 통하지도 않겠지만.
33:24참 아이러니한 게
33:26본인에게는 제일 아픈 수였는데
33:28또 결과적으로 보니까
33:29인류에게는 희망을 주는 하수가 됐습니다.
33:32제가 근데 3국 때 남긴 게 있죠.
33:35그러니까 이세돌이 된 것이 인간이 필요한 것은 아니다.
33:37라는 멋진 멘트를 남겨요.
33:42아주 나이스 타이밍.
33:44참지도 못하고.
33:47이야 그럼요.
33:50그러니까 알파고와의 대전으로 이제
33:52삶에 또 다른 전환점이 생기는데
33:56은퇴 선언을 합니다.
33:57네.
33:58어떻게 은퇴 선언을 하시게 됐습니까?
33:592017년도에 알파고 마스터 버전 상위 버전이죠.
34:04이건 방법이 없겠더라고요.
34:06정말 우리가 생각하지 못하는 수준을 많이 둡니다.
34:09한계를 느껴요.
34:11그러니까 이기고 지고의 문제가 아니었습니다.
34:14바둑의 흐름이 완전 바뀌었습니까?
34:16완전히.
34:17완전 바뀌었어요.
34:18이렇게 두는 거구나.
34:20감탄을 하면서 봐요.
34:21진짜 왜 이렇게 쉬운 것들을 왜 우리는 몰랐냐.
34:25물론 어려운 수들도 있었어요.
34:27근데 정말 쉬운 수들도 있습니다.
34:30그게 일종의 고정관념 같은 거죠.
34:32그 충격도 있었는데 바둑 프로그램이 그때부터 짭갈립니다.
34:37그리고 이제 그걸 보고 이제
34:39프로 기사들도 공부하는 시대가 열린 겁니다.
34:43이게 달라요.
34:44알파고리와 알파고마스터는
34:45인간의 기보를 학습을 했습니다.
34:48알파고리 제로는 인간의 기보를 학습하지 않았습니다.
34:51룰만 가르쳐주고
34:52자체적으로 대국을 통해서 학습을 했습니다.
34:56자, 여기서 무슨 문제가 생기냐.
34:57인간의 기보를 학습하지 않았기 때문에
34:59저는 이해를 못합니다.
35:01아...
35:02얘가 왜 이렇게 두는지를 몰라요.
35:05복귀가 안 되는 거네요.
35:06쭉 보면 이해가 되는 경우도 있어요.
35:09아, 이렇게 해서 이렇게 두었구나.
35:11끝까지 모르는 경우도 있습니다.
35:13평소에 바둑을 두셨는데
35:15바둑이잖아요.
35:16근데 내가 아는 바둑이 아닌 거죠?
35:20질 수 있다.
35:21뭐 사람한테도 지는 거기 때문에요.
35:24그러면 질 수 있다 선치더라도.
35:27제가 이해를 못한다는 거는
35:29진짜 생각을 못해봤습니다.
35:32그건 다른 거죠.
35:34지고 이기고와 다른 거죠.
35:37교수님.
35:38네.
35:39그래서 떠나신 겁니까?
35:40그 영향이 굉장히 컸죠.
35:45그러면 제가 바둑을 두는 의미는 뭡니까?
35:52물론 지금 두고 있는 바둑들이 의미가 없다는 건 아니고요.
35:55차원 제가 생각했던 의미는 사라졌지 않습니까?
35:59개인적인 의미는 사라진 거죠.
36:02정말 힘들었던 거 같습니다.
36:07진짜 이게 이해를 못한다?
36:13그렇지만 이 세돌이라는 사람이 이 인공지능에서도 뭔가를 보여주고 은퇴를 했으면 좋겠다.
36:21라고 제 얘기를 많이 했으면 제가 근데 나는 너무 힘들다.
36:26인공지능 보고 공부를 한다는 것 자체가 나는 너무 힘들다.
36:30정말 죄송합니다.
36:32그분들한테는.
36:34힘들어도 그런 노력하는 모습을 보여드렸어야 했는데
36:39저는 그러지 못했거든요.
36:42솔직한 고백입니다.
36:44우리 동료분들에게도 그러고.
37:14우리 장강명의 먼저 온 미래라는 책이 있습니다.
37:18먼저 온 미래라는 책을 보면
37:19이 세돌은 미래를 먼저 마주한 사람으로 표현을 했던데
37:25이게 AI 발달로 인해서 인간의 자리가 점점 줄어들고 있다고 느끼십니까?
37:30근데 많은 분들이 걱정하는 게
37:33이거는 대체되는 게 아니라 아예 사라지는 거다.
37:35근데 저는 전혀 그렇게 생각하지는 않아요.
37:39그렇게 생각을 안 해요.
37:40좀 나뉘었다고 생각을 합니다.
37:42컴퓨터가 하는 일, 인간이 하는 일.
37:46컴퓨터는 바둑처럼 룰이 명확하고
37:49한정적인 상황에선 어마어마한 힘을 발휘합니다.
37:52그렇지만은 인간처럼 뭔가 기준을 정하고
37:57처음에 방향을 정하고요.
37:59또 우리의 개성을 넣으려고 하잖아요.
38:02저는 이것이 인간의 역할이고요.
38:04그래서 초인공지능 사회가 오더라도
38:08이게 변할 것 같지는 않습니다.
38:11AI 시대에 우리가 살아가야 됩니다.
38:14AI는 계속해서 이제 진화하고 있고요.
38:17근데 교수님은 아이들에게
38:19바둑의 중요성을 굉장히 강조하시더라고요.
38:25바둑이라는 게 인류가 만드는 유일하고 완벽한 추상전략 게임입니다.
38:29저는 AI를 활용해야 된다고 생각하거든요.
38:32처음에 상상?
38:34이런 건 인간이 해야 된다는 거예요.
38:35질문이 또 좋아야 된다고 그러더라고요.
38:38그 질문을 잘하려면 추상적 능력이 필요하다는 겁니다.
38:42앞으로 AI 시대에 살아갈 우리 아이들에게 바둑의 중요성을 강조하는 것은
38:46실패를 통해서 인생을 배우는 어떤 값진 경험이 될 것이지?
38:50바둑은 지면서 배우는 거거든요.
38:53실패를 통해서 배우는 겁니까?
38:55너무 당연해요. 지는 게.
38:56또 존중 배려.
38:59책임.
39:00사실 바둑에서 가장 중요시 여기는 게
39:03상대방을 존중하고 배려하고
39:05또 자신의 애수에 책임을 지는 겁니다.
39:08보러님.
39:09네.
39:10바둑 너무 어렵잖아요.
39:12그게 장점이자 단점.
39:15문제가 그거예요.
39:16참 좋은데.
39:19뭐 쉽게 집하셔도 방법이 없습니까?
39:22그래서 제가 바둑 기반 게임도 만들었어요.
39:25보드게임 작가라고 했는데
39:26저는 별로 단순하고 쉽게 만들었다고 생각을 해요.
39:32보드게임을 만드셨다고요?
39:33네. 바둑 기반 보드게임입니다.
39:35말이 팔립니까?
39:36말이 팔립니까?
39:36그렇지도 않은 것 같기도 하고.
39:41마지막으로 그러면
39:42어려운 질문이 될 수 있습니다.
39:45기대하겠습니다.
39:46이세돌.
39:48인생에 복귀를 해봤을 때
39:50스스로
39:51어떤 한수를 가장 잘 뒀다고 생각하십니까?
39:56결혼?
39:59저랑 동갑입니다.
40:01동갑에 이제.
40:01참.
40:03사람이 참 좋아요.
40:04바둑 몰라도.
40:05네.
40:06가족만 모를 뿐입니다.
40:09네.
40:10참 좋습니다.
40:11결혼이 진정한 신의 한수였다.
40:13신의 한수였다.
40:15박수로 마무리 짓죠.
40:20오늘 책을 추천받기 위해서 오셨죠?
40:24그걸 잊어버리고 있었는데.
40:26네.
40:27맞습니다.
40:28제가 그렇게 왔죠.
40:29저희들은 현금하고 카드를 안 받습니다.
40:32그것만 가져왔는데.
40:33예.
40:34예.
40:34예.
40:36예.
40:37자 그러면 제가
40:39오늘 이세돌 님의
40:41책.
40:41어떤 책을 추천해 줄까 생각을 해봤는데
40:44딱 떠올랐습니다.
40:48이세돌 님에게
40:50추천할 책은
40:51총.
40:52균.
40:53세다.
40:54네.
40:56감사합니다.
40:57네.
40:59너무.
41:00분명한 책 아닌가요?
41:03인류 문명을
41:05하나의 거대한 판으로 놓고
41:07어떤 문명은 강해졌고
41:09어떤 문명은 그렇지 못했는지를
41:10구조와 환경이라는 관점에서
41:13읽어내는 책이 될 텐데요.
41:14이세돌 님께서 늘
41:15인생의 어떤 수읽기를 하셨는데
41:17이 책은
41:19수천 년짜리
41:21수읽기를 보는 기분이 들 겁니다.
41:23제레드 다이아몬드의
41:24총기세를 선물로 드리겠습니다.
41:26감사합니다.
41:27감사합니다.
41:28정말 정독해서 잘 읽겠습니다.
41:31오늘 그 본인의
41:32인생을 한 번 이렇게 쭉 이렇게
41:34뽑기를 해보셨는데
41:35어떠셨습니까?
41:36저는 너무 소중한
41:39시간이었다고 말씀하셨는데
41:40이게
41:41빈말이 아니고요.
41:42비슷한 얘기를 다른 데서
41:44또 했었죠.
41:46인터뷰가 있을 수도 있고
41:48그렇습니다마는
41:49이 호크라테스 님과
41:51하는 것과는
41:52완전 다른 거죠.
41:53진짜 다릅니다.
41:54사람마다 그 얘기할 때
41:56느낌이 다 다른 거잖습니까.
41:57너무 감사합니다.
41:58과찬이십니다.
41:59그리고
41:59저한테 너무 소중할 것 같아.
42:01이런 에너지를 느껴보고
42:02이런 대화를 했다는 게
42:04너무 감사합니다.
42:06여기서 계단 올라가게 되면 바로 이
42:08현저가 이제 추억이 될 텐데
42:09저도 저의 인생에
42:11뜨고뜨고 자라게 될 겁니다.
42:12감사합니다.
42:13네.
42:14이 세상에 가장 아름다운 동네
42:15강호동에 위치한
42:17사람을 읽어드리는 공간
42:19강호동네스점
42:20오늘도 맛있는
42:21이세들 이생
42:22
42:23읽었다!
42:25안녕하십니까.
42:26안녕하십니까.
42:26대도시의 사랑법이라는
42:27영화의 원작 소설을 쓴
42:30관상인은 책이 없는데
42:31먹고 살아야 되기 때문에
42:32열광했던 이유를
42:33뭐라고 보십니까?
42:34잘 써서 그런가?
42:36저의 전성기는 아직 오지 않았습니다.
42:38그렇죠.
42:38그래서 너무 외람되지만
42:39약간 거울을 보고 있는 것처럼
42:40칭그러운 마음이 없지 않았더라고요.
42:42네.
42:44네.
42:46네.
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