00:00One of the things we've heard from President Trump since the talks took place in Islamabad,
00:04he said he doesn't really care if a deal is reached or not, which is curious. I'm just
00:10wondering whether it looked to you and it looked to the hosts there in Islamabad that both sides
00:16were indeed sincere about at least trying to reach a deal. I think both sides were at least
00:22up to the task of rolling up their sleeves and hearing each other out as opposed to talking
00:28at each other. So they were listening to each other, which is the first important step in any
00:36negotiation, in any agreement, which ultimately leads to some kind of an accord. At this point,
00:43I would just say I think the world loaded it with too many expectations. It was high symmetry,
00:50but it was it was symmetry in the middle of literally from two combatants coming out of a
00:58long narrative media and actual combat conflict. So to expect them to sort of finalize a golden deal
01:07that was win win for everyone or optimal solutions that all stakeholders were found acceptable would
01:16be very difficult. I mean, we don't we certainly work to make the near impossible possible in Pakistan,
01:24Pakistan, but miracles are not born on negotiating tables immediately. It takes time.
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