[FULL] Tanya Jawab Hakim MK-Zainal Arifin Uji Materi UU Peradilan Militer, Singgung Andrie Yunus

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JAKARTA, KOMPAS.TV  Zainal Arifin & Al Araf dihadirkan sebagai ahli dalam sidang pengujian materiil Undang-Undang Nomor 31 Tahun 1997 tentang Peradilan Militer pada Selasa (14/4/2026).    Zainal Arifin & Al Araf sempat menjawab pertanyaan hakim MK soal kekhawatiran publik terkait peradilan militer saat ini hingga kemungkinan restrukturisasi peradilan militer.    "Tidak ada yang menjawab segala hal, dan akan ada perdebatan-perdebatan juga berkaitan ini," ujar hakim MK, Saldi Isra, usai mendengar jawaban Zainal Arifin & Al Araf.    Dalam sidang tersebut, hakim MK membeberkan soal permohonan pihak aktivis KontraS, Andrie Yunus, yang merupakan korban penyiraman air keras dengan terduga pelaku anggota TNI.    Baca Juga Guru Besar UGM: Proses Hukum Kasus dengan Korban Sipil di Peradilan Militer Bisa Timbulkan Keraguan di https://www.kompas.tv/nasional/662806/guru-besar-ugm-proses-hukum-kasus-dengan-korban-sipil-di-peradilan-militer-bisa-timbulkan-keraguan    #mahkamahkonstitusi #peradilanmiliter #breakingnews     Artikel ini bisa dilihat di :  https://www.kompas.tv/nasional/662852/full-tanya-jawab-hakim-mk-zainal-arifin-uji-materi-uu-peradilan-militer-singgung-andrie-yunus

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00:00:00kita buka persidangan

00:00:06persidangan untuk permulaan nomor 260 tahun 2025

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00:00:28terima kasih yang mulia

00:00:31assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

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00:00:39ada dua pemohon langsung serta kuasanya

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00:02:00Sekjen Kementerian Pertahanan

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00:33:37Kepada

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00:34:34Terkait

00:35:05Terkait

00:35:42Di akhir keterangan

00:35:43Alih saya

00:35:44Saya ingin

00:35:45Menyampaikan

00:35:46Keprihatinan

00:35:47Dan

00:35:48Kesedihan

00:35:49Saya

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00:36:04Serta

00:36:05Kasus

00:36:05Lainnya

00:36:06Yang

00:36:07Hingga

00:36:07Kini

00:36:07Terus

00:36:08Berteriak

00:36:09Dan

00:36:09Bersuara

00:36:09Untuk

00:36:10Mencari

00:36:10Keadilan

00:36:11Mereka

00:36:12Mengalami

00:36:12Ketidak

00:36:13Adilan

00:36:13Akibat

00:36:14Para

00:36:14Pelaku

00:36:15Proses

00:36:17Hukumnya

00:36:17Melalui

00:36:18Peradilan

00:36:18Militer

00:36:19Oleh

00:36:20Karena

00:36:20Itu

00:36:20Ketidak

00:36:21Adilan

00:36:22Yang

00:36:22Mereka

00:36:22Alami

00:36:23Tentu

00:36:24Perlu

00:36:24Mendapatkan

00:36:25Jawaban

00:36:25Dari

00:36:26Negara

00:36:26Sehingga

00:36:27Luka

00:36:28Para

00:36:28Korban

00:36:28Dapat

00:36:29Sedikit

00:36:30Terbati

00:36:30Hanya

00:36:31Melalui

00:36:32Peradilan

00:36:32Umumlah

00:36:33Harapan

00:36:34Keadilan

00:36:34Itu

00:36:34Mendapatkan

00:36:35Ruang

00:36:36Jawaban

00:36:36Semoga

00:36:37Putusan

00:36:38Mahkamah

00:36:38Konstitusi

00:36:39Atas

00:36:39Gugatani

00:36:40Dapat

00:36:40Menjadi

00:36:41Obat

00:36:41Bagi

00:36:42Para

00:36:42Korban

00:36:43Kekerasan

00:36:43Terima

00:36:44Kasih

00:36:44Terima

00:36:45Terima

00:36:46Yang

00:36:47Terakhir

00:36:47Tidak

00:36:47Ada

00:36:47Dalam

00:36:48Keterangan

00:36:48Tertulis

00:36:50Terima

00:36:51Kasih

00:36:51Sekarang

00:36:52Giliran untuk mendalami pendapat ahli silakan untuk pemohon tapi juru bicaranya satu orang saja ya fokus pertanyaannya kalau bisa tidak

00:37:03perlu banyak-banyak silakan

00:37:06Baik, terima kasih yang mulia

00:37:11Bismillahirrahmanirrahim

00:37:12Tadi ahli sudah mengatakan

00:37:14Saya mulai dari ahli

00:37:16Prof. Gen. Mokhtar

00:37:18Tadi ahli sudah menjelaskan secara tegas

00:37:20Dengan membuka tentang

00:37:21Kekuasaan kehakiman

00:37:23Berbicara tentang kekuasaan kehakiman

00:37:25Ahli sudah menjelaskan secara detail

00:37:28Apa itu makna kekuasaan kehakiman

00:37:30Dalam proses peradilan

00:37:32Pertanyaannya pertama adalah

00:37:34Apakah carut-marut dalam

00:37:37Undang-Undang Peradilan Militer

00:37:38Yang hari ini menjadi

00:37:41Pasal yang diuji para pemohon

00:37:44Pasal 9, 43, pasal 1, 27

00:37:47Itu secara tegas dan jelas

00:37:50Telah bertentangan dengan konstitusi

00:37:53Atau inkonstitusional

00:37:54Jika dikaitkan dari konsep

00:37:58Konstitusionalistas

00:37:59Itu yang pertama

00:38:00Apakah sudah melanggar ketentuan itu

00:38:03Yang kedua

00:38:04Masih kepada

00:38:05Ahli Prof. Gen.

00:38:07Berkaitan dengan

00:38:09Keterangan Ahli

00:38:10Adanya

00:38:12Penyampaian tadi

00:38:13Kita dengar langsung

00:38:14Pembatasan

00:38:15Yuridiksi Peradilan Militer

00:38:18Apakah

00:38:18Dalam Undang-Undang Peradilan Militer

00:38:20Yang tidak mengatur

00:38:22Secara ketat

00:38:23Pembatasan Yuridiksi Peradilan Militer

00:38:25Itu masih

00:38:27Relevan dipakai

00:38:28Dalam negara hukum hari ini

00:38:30Dan demokrasi kita

00:38:33Terakhir untuk

00:38:34Prof. Ceng

00:38:35Yang ketiga

00:38:36Atau

00:38:37Prof. Gen. Levin Mukhtar

00:38:40Undang-Undang

00:38:411945

00:38:42Menegaskan tentang

00:38:43Kusang Gakiman

00:38:44TAP MPR 7 tahun 2000

00:38:46Menegaskan tentang

00:38:48Pasal 3 ayat 4

00:38:50Uruk H

00:38:50Bahwa

00:38:51Prajurit TNI

00:38:53Yang melakukan

00:38:54Tindak pidana umum

00:38:55Tunduk pada

00:38:56Prajurit umum

00:38:57Sebaliknya

00:38:58Prajurit TNI

00:38:59Yang melakukan

00:39:00Tindak pidana militer

00:39:01Tunduk pada

00:39:01Prajurit umum

00:39:02Dan

00:39:02Diturunkan lagi

00:39:04Dalam Undang-Undang TNI

00:39:05Pasal 65 ayat 2

00:39:06Sama bunyinya juga

00:39:09Bahkan

00:39:10Diatur pula

00:39:11Dalam

00:39:12Pasal 25 ayat 1

00:39:14Undang-Undang Kusang Gakiman

00:39:15Yang menegaskan

00:39:16Prajurit militer

00:39:18Berundang hanya

00:39:18Mengadili

00:39:19Tindak pidana militer

00:39:20Pertanyaan anda

00:39:21Apakah

00:39:22Seluruh regulasi itu

00:39:24Bisa serta merta

00:39:27Dikalahkan

00:39:28Atau diingkari dengan

00:39:30Pasal peralian 74

00:39:32Yang ahli bilang tadi

00:39:33Yang mengutip kata ahli tadi

00:39:36Mohon izin yang mulia

00:39:37Apakah kita sebodoh itu

00:39:39Tidak bisa menyelesaikan PR ini

00:39:41Dan pintu masuknya adalah

00:39:43Mahkamah Konstitusi

00:39:45Mohon nanti

00:39:46Ahli menjelaskan

00:39:48Sekuat itu

00:39:50Tukah pasal 74

00:39:51Yang direproduksi

00:39:52Terus menerus

00:39:52Itu untuk

00:39:54Prof

00:39:56Jangan permuktar

00:39:57Selanjutnya

00:39:58Ada beberapa pertanyaan lagi

00:39:59Sekit lagi

00:40:00Untuk

00:40:01Doktor

00:40:02Al-Araf

00:40:03Tadi dokter Al-Araf

00:40:05Sudah menjelaskan

00:40:06Panjang lebar

00:40:08Tentang

00:40:11Parahnya

00:40:11Peradilan militer

00:40:12Yang

00:40:13Menggambarkan

00:40:14Beberapa kasus-kasus

00:40:16Baik kasus

00:40:17Andriunus

00:40:17Ibu Eva

00:40:19Dan Bu Leni

00:40:19Pertanyaannya adalah

00:40:21Pertama

00:40:21Apakah

00:40:23Atau sejauh mana

00:40:25Ahli menilai

00:40:25Undang-undang

00:40:26Peradilan militer ini

00:40:27Dapat dikatakan

00:40:30Gagal memberikan

00:40:31Keadilan

00:40:32Dan bahkan

00:40:33Cenderung memberikan

00:40:34Impunitas

00:40:35Kepada

00:40:36Prajurit

00:40:37Yang melakukan

00:40:37Tindak

00:40:37Pidana

00:40:38Umumnya

00:40:39Selanjutnya

00:40:43Berkaitan dengan

00:40:44Tadi ada disinggung

00:40:45Tentang

00:40:45Ankung

00:40:47Papra

00:40:48Kita ketahui bersama

00:40:50Dalam

00:40:51Sistem

00:40:53Parah militer

00:40:54Itu

00:40:55Tertanam bahwasannya

00:40:56Ada

00:40:57Sistem

00:40:58Yang ditetapkan

00:41:00Komando

00:41:01Dalam militer

00:41:01Apakah

00:41:03Dalam sistem

00:41:04Dalam kemiliteran

00:41:05Yang

00:41:05Taat

00:41:06Atan perintah

00:41:07Pimpinan

00:41:07Atau komando

00:41:08Itu berpengaruh

00:41:10Dalam proses

00:41:11Penegakan hukum

00:41:11Ketika

00:41:13Dalam

00:41:14Satu persidangan

00:41:15Baik

00:41:16Penyirik

00:41:18Sebelumnya

00:41:19Dan proses sebelumnya

00:41:20Baik hakim

00:41:21Penuntut

00:41:22Atau auditor

00:41:22Dan terdakwa

00:41:24Bahkan penasihat hukumnya

00:41:25Itu satu

00:41:26Organisasi

00:41:27Atau institusi bersama

00:41:28Dapat

00:41:29Diputus secara objektif

00:41:31Atau independen

00:41:33Si hakim

00:41:34Apakah

00:41:34Dapat dipertanyakan

00:41:36Ketika ini seragamnya sama

00:41:38Dan

00:41:39Apa kaitannya dengan

00:41:40Imparsialitas hakim

00:41:42Dalam memutus

00:41:44Kira-kira itu

00:41:46Terakhir

00:41:47Satu lagi

00:41:47Terakhir

00:41:49Kami juga harus

00:41:50Menyampaikan

00:41:51Rasa duka kami

00:41:52Kepada

00:41:53Sudah cukup itu ya

00:41:54Sudah disampaikan

00:41:54Satu lagi

00:41:55Apakah

00:41:57Contoh faktual hari ini

00:41:59Kasus

00:41:59Andriunus

00:42:00Yang secara terang

00:42:01Menerang

00:42:02Dipraktekan

00:42:04Dalam prosesnya

00:42:05Tidak pernah

00:42:06Diperiksa

00:42:06Puspom

00:42:08Tidak pernah

00:42:09Diambil

00:42:09Keterangannya

00:42:10Bahkan

00:42:11Tidak pernah dipanggil

00:42:12Tiba-tiba

00:42:13Ada proses

00:42:14Langsung ke

00:42:15Puspom

00:42:15Dan melimpahkannya

00:42:16Ke

00:42:17Auditor militer

00:42:18Apakah ini

00:42:19Bentuk

00:42:20Yang namanya

00:42:21Penghindaran

00:42:23Dari peradilan umum

00:42:24Secara terang

00:42:24Menerang

00:42:25Terima kasih

00:42:26Yang Mulia

00:42:26Mohon

00:42:26Kedua Ali

00:42:27Dapat menjelaskan

00:42:28Ini secara detail

00:42:29Oke

00:42:30Cukup ya

00:42:31Sebagian pertanyaan

00:42:33Sudah ada dalam

00:42:34Keterangan tertulis

00:42:34Tapi tidak apa-apa

00:42:36Karena sudah ditanya

00:42:37Tapi saya mau

00:42:38Koreksi aja

00:42:38Kalau bahasa

00:42:40Indonesia nya bukan

00:42:40Carut-marut

00:42:41Yang benarnya

00:42:42Carut-marut

00:42:43Nanti dilihat

00:42:44Kamusnya

00:42:44Terima kasih

00:42:45Yang Mulia

00:42:45Terima kasih

00:42:46Dari DPR

00:42:47Ada yang mau ditanyakan

00:42:48Silahkan

00:42:49Dari kami cukup

00:42:50Terima kasih

00:42:50Cukup

00:42:51Dari Presiden

00:42:52Ada yang mau ditanyakan

00:42:53Silahkan

00:42:54Silahkan

00:42:55Pak

00:42:58Terima kasih

00:42:59Yang Mulia

00:43:00Silahkan

00:43:00Anjin kami

00:43:01Memberikan pertanyaan

00:43:02Kepada

00:43:03Para ahli

00:43:04Dari pemohon

00:43:05Yang pertama

00:43:06Pertanyaan kami

00:43:07Bahwa tadi

00:43:08Dari Profesor

00:43:09Ini kedua ahli ya

00:43:10Atau beda-beda

00:43:11Beda-beda

00:43:12Oke silahkan

00:43:12Yang Mulia

00:43:13Untuk Profesor Dr. Jendral

00:43:14Arifin Mukhtar

00:43:15Kami menanyakan bahwa

00:43:17Sebenarnya

00:43:18Norma

00:43:18Yang ada di Undang-Undang

00:43:20Diturunkan

00:43:20Dari Undang-Undang

00:43:21Dasar 1945

00:43:22Akan tetapi

00:43:23Kalau seandainya

00:43:25Norma

00:43:25Ini adalah

00:43:26Sudah benar

00:43:26Kalau kita lihat

00:43:27Misalkan

00:43:28Profesor Maria

00:43:29Faridang

00:43:31Menyatakan bahwa

00:43:31Norma hukum itu

00:43:32Harus tegas

00:43:33Jelas

00:43:33Dan agar dia memiliki

00:43:35Efektivitas hukum

00:43:35Yang berlaku

00:43:36Sehingga

00:43:37Kalau seandainya

00:43:39Norma ini

00:43:40Pasal 74

00:43:41Pasal 65

00:43:42Yang tadi disampaikan

00:43:43Kemudian ada

00:43:44Di Undang-Undang TNI

00:43:45Terus di Undang-Undang

00:43:46Perlindungan Militar

00:43:46Pada pasal 9

00:43:47Yang memberikan

00:43:49Apa

00:43:49Kemenangan absolut

00:43:51Pada Perlindungan Militer

00:43:52Tetapi

00:43:54Dalam implementasinya

00:43:56Ini adalah

00:43:57Mungkin ada

00:43:58Dalam prosesnya

00:44:00Yang adalah

00:44:00Oknum

00:44:01Hakim

00:44:02Militernya

00:44:02Yang melakukan

00:44:03Kesalahan

00:44:03Segala macam

00:44:04Atau tidak melakukan

00:44:05Etika

00:44:05Dalam proses

00:44:06Penergahan Hukum

00:44:07Apakah

00:44:08Ini akan

00:44:09Merubah

00:44:10Akan menjadi

00:44:11Merubah

00:44:13Undang-Undang

00:44:13Yang dianggap

00:44:14Salah

00:44:15Dianggap

00:44:15Tidak benar

00:44:16Tentang

00:44:16Undang-Undang

00:44:16Peradilan Militer

00:44:17Padahal

00:44:18Yang kami pahami

00:44:19Sendiri bahwa

00:44:20Peradilan Militer

00:44:21Itu juga

00:44:22Menganut

00:44:23Pada prinsip-prinsip

00:44:24Di proses

00:44:24Of law

00:44:25Kemerdekaan

00:44:29Peradilan

00:44:30Imparsialitas

00:44:31Transparansi

00:44:32Dan akuntabel

00:44:34Yang semuanya

00:44:35Adalah prinsip

00:44:36Yang dituangkan

00:44:36Dalam

00:44:37Kekuasaan

00:44:38Kehakiman

00:44:38Yang dilaksanakan oleh

00:44:40Sebuah badan

00:44:41Mahkamah Agung

00:44:42Karena kami adalah

00:44:42Badan yang

00:44:43Di bawah

00:44:44Mahkamah Agung

00:44:44Sehingga tadi

00:44:45Apa-apa

00:44:47Implementasinya

00:44:48Yang salah

00:44:48Padahal ada juga

00:44:49Sistem pengawasan

00:44:50Baik internal

00:44:51Maupun eksternal

00:44:52Nah apakah

00:44:53Implementasi salah

00:44:55Terus

00:44:55Norma

00:44:56Yang ada

00:44:56Di peraturan

00:44:57Undang-Undang

00:44:57Itu akhirnya

00:44:58Merubah

00:44:59Kepada

00:45:00Lembaganya

00:45:01Itu

00:45:02Pertanyaan kami

00:45:03Kepada

00:45:04Prof

00:45:05Jainal Arifin

00:45:07Yang mulia

00:45:08Kemudian

00:45:08Pada

00:45:09Nga Dr. Al-Araf

00:45:11Tadi disampaikan

00:45:12Bahwa ada

00:45:13Perbedaan

00:45:13Perlaguan

00:45:14Kepada warga negara

00:45:15Apabila kita

00:45:16Mengandut kepada

00:45:17Peradilan Militer

00:45:17Itu sendiri

00:45:18Kita melihat

00:45:20Bahwa

00:45:21Pasal 24

00:45:22Undang-Undang

00:45:23Dasar 45

00:45:23Itu kan

00:45:24Membagi

00:45:24Badan-Badan

00:45:25Peradilan

00:45:25Ada 4

00:45:26Ditambah 1

00:45:27Mahkamah Konstitusi

00:45:28Apakah

00:45:30Subjek

00:45:30Spesial Subjek

00:45:32Yang ada

00:45:33Di Peradilan Militer

00:45:34Ini

00:45:34Karena ada

00:45:35Pasal 9

00:45:35Menyatakan bahwa

00:45:37Peradilan Militer

00:45:38Itu

00:45:38Mengadili

00:45:39Prajurit

00:45:40Atau orang-orang

00:45:41Yang tunduk

00:45:41Kepada

00:45:43Prajurit

00:45:43Atau yang dipertamakan

00:45:44Para jurit

00:45:45Kemudian

00:45:46Bagaimana

00:45:46Dengan

00:45:47Peradilan Agama

00:45:47Yang juga

00:45:48Memiliki

00:45:49Spesial Subjek

00:45:50Dalam Peradilan

00:45:51Nah ini kan

00:45:52Tentunya

00:45:53Dalam

00:45:54Proses

00:45:55Peradilan itu

00:45:56Sendiri

00:45:56Mengacu

00:45:58Kepada

00:45:58Prinsip

00:45:59Azaz

00:45:59Yang berlaku

00:46:00Karena memang

00:46:00Satu

00:46:01Kekuasaan

00:46:02Kehakiman itu

00:46:02Satu

00:46:02Di

00:46:02Mahkamah

00:46:04Agung

00:46:05Republik Indonesia

00:46:06Nah ini

00:46:07Kami pertanyakan

00:46:08Apakah

00:46:09Spesial Subjek

00:46:10Yang ada

00:46:11Di

00:46:11Peradilan

00:46:12Agama

00:46:13Itu

00:46:13Juga

00:46:14Satu

00:46:15Khusus

00:46:16Di

00:46:16Peradilan

00:46:16Militer

00:46:17Pada

00:46:17TNI

00:46:18Kemudian

00:46:18Peradilan

00:46:19Agam

00:46:19Tentunya

00:46:20Untuk

00:46:21Yang

00:46:21Negara

00:46:22Berlama

00:46:22Islam

00:46:23Itu

00:46:24Saja

00:46:24Pertanyaan

00:46:24Kami

00:46:25Ijin

00:46:25Yang

00:46:26Mulia

00:46:26Kepada

00:46:26Kedua

00:46:27Ahli

00:46:27Terima

00:46:28Kasih

00:46:29Pihak terkait

00:46:30Kalau ada

00:46:30Mengajukan

00:46:31Satu

00:46:31Pertanyaan

00:46:33Pihak terkait

00:46:34Mau ada

00:46:34Pertanyaan

00:46:34Tercukup

00:46:37Pihak terkait

00:46:38Ada

00:46:39Pertanyaan

00:46:39Terima

00:46:41Kais

00:46:41Yang

00:46:41Mulia

00:46:42Mau izin

00:46:43Kami

00:46:43Dari

00:46:44Bihak terkait

00:46:44Akan

00:46:45Menyampaikan

00:46:46Secara

00:46:47Tertulis

00:46:49Pertanyaan

00:46:50Untuk

00:46:50Ali

00:46:50Ada

00:46:52Cukup

00:46:53Oke

00:46:53Terima kasih

00:46:54Dari

00:46:55Meja

00:46:55Hakim

00:46:57Yang

00:46:58Mulia

00:46:58Pak

00:46:59Arsul

00:47:01Prof

00:47:01Eni

00:47:03Silahkan

00:47:03Yang

00:47:04Mulia

00:47:06Terima

00:47:07Yang

00:47:08Mulia

00:47:09Pak

00:47:09Wakil

00:47:10Kedua

00:47:11Sidang

00:47:13Terima

00:47:14Kasih

00:47:14Prof

00:47:15Senal

00:47:15Arifin

00:47:16Muhtar

00:47:16Dan

00:47:16Pak

00:47:17Dr.

00:47:17Alara

00:47:17Fertas

00:47:18Keterangan

00:47:18Ahli

00:47:19Yang

00:47:19Disampaikan

00:47:22Saya

00:47:23Pertama

00:47:25Ingin

00:47:26Mohon

00:47:26Pendapat

00:47:27Ahli

00:47:27Karena

00:47:28Ini

00:47:28Terkait

00:47:29Dengan

00:47:29Apa

00:47:29Yang

00:47:30Menjadi

00:47:30Petitum

00:47:31Pemohon

00:47:34Petitum

00:47:34Pemohon

00:47:35Ini

00:47:35Meminta

00:47:36Agar

00:47:37Frasa

00:47:39Tindak

00:47:39Bidana

00:47:40Itu

00:47:41Dimaknai

00:47:42Sebagai

00:47:43Tindak

00:47:43Bidana

00:47:44Militer

00:47:45Itu

00:47:46Yang

00:47:46Ada

00:47:46Di

00:47:46Dalam

00:47:46Pasal

00:47:479

00:47:47Angkat

00:47:481

00:47:49Dan

00:47:50Pasal

00:47:5143

00:47:51Ayat

00:47:523

00:47:52Dari

00:47:53Undang

00:47:5331

00:47:54Tahun

00:47:541997

00:47:57Tapi

00:47:58Tindak

00:47:59Bidana

00:47:59Militer

00:48:00Itu

00:48:00Adalah

00:48:01Frasa

00:48:02Yang

00:48:02Tidak

00:48:02Didefinisikan

00:48:03Di

00:48:03Undang

00:48:05Undang

00:48:05Peradilan

00:48:05Militer

00:48:06Nah

00:48:07Menurut

00:48:07Ahli

00:48:08Ini

00:48:09Berandai

00:48:10Andai

00:48:10Kalau

00:48:12Ini

00:48:12Diakomodasi

00:48:13Apa

00:48:14Yang

00:48:15Dimohonkan

00:48:16Oleh

00:48:17Para

00:48:17Pemohon

00:48:17Tindak

00:48:19Bidana

00:48:19Militer

00:48:19Itu

00:48:20Apa

00:48:20Saja

00:48:20Kan

00:48:21Tidak

00:48:21Bisa

00:48:21Simbol

00:48:22Dikatakan

00:48:22Adalah

00:48:23Tindak

00:48:24Bidana

00:48:24Yang

00:48:25Tidak

00:48:26Termasuk

00:48:26Dalam

00:48:26Tindak

00:48:27Bidana

00:48:27Umum

00:48:27Tentukan

00:48:28Tidak

00:48:28Seperti

00:48:28Itu

00:48:29Pertanyaan

00:48:30Saya

00:48:33Perspektif

00:48:34Pencerahan

00:48:34Dari

00:48:35Ahli

00:48:35Nah

00:48:36Yang

00:48:37Kedua

00:48:37Walaupun

00:48:39Ini

00:48:39Mungkin

00:48:39Lebih

00:48:40Apa

00:48:43Banyak

00:48:44Untuk

00:48:45Pak Doktor

00:48:46Al-Araf

00:48:47Tapi ya

00:48:48Persilahkan

00:48:49Kalau Prof

00:48:49Sena

00:48:50Lari

00:48:51Menanggapi

00:48:52Pembentuk

00:48:54Undang

00:48:55Itu

00:48:55Kan

00:48:55Bukannya

00:48:56Tidak

00:48:56Pernah

00:48:57Berihtiar

00:48:58Untuk

00:48:59Menyelesaikan

00:49:00Persoalan

00:49:01Yang

00:49:02Ada

00:49:02Di

00:49:03Undang

00:49:04TNI

00:49:04Ya

00:49:05Antara

00:49:06Pasal

00:49:0765

00:49:07Ya

00:49:082

00:49:08Dan

00:49:08Pasal

00:49:0974

00:49:09Itu

00:49:10Karena

00:49:11Itu

00:49:11Pada

00:49:12DPR

00:49:13Periode

00:49:142004

00:49:152009

00:49:15Kan

00:49:16DPR

00:49:17Pernah

00:49:17Mengajukan

00:49:18RUU

00:49:19Perubahan

00:49:20Militer

00:49:20Peradilan

00:49:21Militer

00:49:22Yang

00:49:22Untuk

00:49:23Merubah

00:49:25Undang-Undang

00:49:2531

00:49:26Tahun

00:49:261997

00:49:29Tapi

00:49:29Sepemahaman

00:49:31Saya

00:49:31Belum

00:49:32Jadi

00:49:32Anggota

00:49:32DPR

00:49:33Juga

00:49:33Pada

00:49:33Saat

00:49:33Itu

00:49:34Tapi

00:49:34Saya

00:49:34Membaca

00:49:35Dari

00:49:35Arsif

00:49:36Arsif

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01:13:41Umum

01:13:42Yang

01:13:43Bagi

01:13:44Saya

01:13:44Disersi

01:13:45Mungkinkah

01:13:46Dihukum

01:13:46Sebagai

01:13:47Pidana

01:13:48Ya

01:13:48Mungkin

01:13:48Walaupun

01:13:49Tadi

01:13:49Paradigma

01:13:50Yang

01:13:50Disampaikan

01:13:50Oleh

01:13:51Mas

01:13:52Al-Araf

01:13:53Mengatakan

01:13:54Paradigmanya

01:13:55Udah

01:13:55Berbeda

01:13:56Karena

01:13:57Itu

01:13:57Paradigma

01:13:57Lama

01:13:58Paradigma

01:13:59Realis

01:13:59Yang

01:13:59Memang

01:13:59Lebih

01:13:59Keras

01:14:00Paradigma

01:14:01Sekarang

01:14:01Mau

01:14:01Digeser

01:14:01Berbeda

01:14:02Silahkan

01:14:02Tapi

01:14:02Bayangan

01:14:03Saya

01:14:03Adalah

01:14:03Dipisahkan

01:14:05Memang

01:14:05Karena

01:14:05Memang

01:14:06Secara

01:14:06Filosofi

01:14:06Juga

01:14:06Begitu

01:14:07Dari

01:14:08Dulu

01:14:08Dipisahkan

01:14:09Antara

01:14:09Virtu

01:14:10Etik

01:14:10Seorang

01:14:10Militer

01:14:11Dengan

01:14:12Seorang

01:14:12Sipil

01:14:13Jadi

01:14:13Kalau

01:14:14Ditanyakan

01:14:15Saya

01:14:15Lagi-lagi

01:14:15Yang

01:14:15Mulia

01:14:16Bagaimana

01:14:16Kemungkinan

01:14:17Konstruksinya

01:14:19Saya

01:14:24Yang

01:14:24Hakim

01:14:25Yang

01:14:25Mulia

01:14:26Sangat

01:14:27Mungkin

01:14:27Untuk

01:14:27Memerintahkan

01:14:28Segera

01:14:28Pemerintah

01:14:29Dan

01:14:29DPR

01:14:29Untuk

01:14:31Membuat

01:14:31Dan

01:14:31Menyelesaikan

01:14:32Pekerjaan

01:14:33Rumah

01:14:33Yang

01:14:33Tidak

01:14:33Keselesai

01:14:33Ini

01:14:35Dikasih

01:14:36Waktu

01:14:36Dua

01:14:36Tahun

01:14:37Sebagaimana

01:14:37Pengadilan

01:14:37Tipikor

01:14:38Pernah

01:14:38Dikasih

01:14:38Dua

01:14:39Tahun

01:14:39Dikasih

01:14:40Dua

01:14:40Tahun

01:14:40Sebagaimana

01:14:40Pernah

01:14:41Dikasih

01:14:41Pemerintah

01:14:42Dan

01:14:42DPR

01:14:42Dalam

01:14:43Undang

01:14:43Cipta

01:14:43Kerja

01:14:45Berapa

01:14:46Tahun

01:14:46Seperti

01:14:47Sebagaimana

01:14:47MK

01:14:48Mengemberikan

01:14:49Itu

01:14:49Kepada

01:14:50Pembentuk

01:14:51Undang

01:14:52Undang

01:14:52Soal

01:14:56Pemilu

01:14:57Lokal

01:14:58Dan

01:14:58Pemilu

01:14:58Nasional

01:14:59Saya

01:15:00Kira

01:15:00Didorong

01:15:01Ke arah sana

01:15:02Nah

01:15:02Permohonan

01:15:03Ini

01:15:04Menafsirkan

01:15:05Ulang

01:15:05Pasal

01:15:06Pasal

01:15:06Yang

01:15:06Dimohonkan

01:15:07Oleh

01:15:07Pemohon

01:15:07Itu

01:15:08Bisa

01:15:08Ditempatkan

01:15:09Sebagai

01:15:11Pengganti

01:15:12Dari

01:15:12Transisinya

01:15:13Sementara

01:15:14Waktu

01:15:14Untuk

01:15:14Ngisi

01:15:15Ini

01:15:15Selama

01:15:16Dua

01:15:16Tahun

01:15:17Kita

01:15:17Kasih

01:15:17Waktu

01:15:17Untuk

01:15:18Segera

01:15:18Anda

01:15:19Selesaikan

01:15:20Undang

01:15:21Peradilan

01:15:22Ini

01:15:22Bukan

01:15:22Hanya

01:15:22Sekedar

01:15:23Peradilan

01:15:23Pidak

01:15:23Umumnya

01:15:24Yang

01:15:24Lain

01:15:25Juga

01:15:25Karena

01:15:25Ada

01:15:26Kebutuhan

01:15:26Yang

01:15:26Lain

01:15:27Selesaikan

01:15:28Nah

01:15:28Sementara

01:15:28Kemudian

01:15:29Kita

01:15:30Akan

01:15:30Mengisi

01:15:32Misalnya

01:15:33Dengan

01:15:33Menggunakan

01:15:35Paradigma

01:15:35Dalam

01:15:36Undang

01:15:36Itu

01:15:36Sebabnya

01:15:37Kenapa

01:15:37Saya

01:15:38Kantakan

01:15:38Itu

01:15:38Karena

01:15:38Saya

01:15:38Setuju

01:15:39Ini

01:15:40Pun

01:15:40Harus

01:15:40Diselesaikan

01:15:41Dalam

01:15:41Konteks

01:15:42Apa

01:15:42Yang

01:15:42Dimaksud

01:15:43Kitab

01:15:43Undang

01:15:43Hukum

01:15:44Pidana

01:15:44Militer

01:15:44Harus

01:15:45Diselesaikan

01:15:45Hukum

01:15:46Pidana

01:15:47Militer

01:15:47Karena

01:15:49Beda

01:15:50Paradigma

01:15:51Apalagi

01:15:51Memang

01:15:51Sudah

01:15:52Lama

01:15:52Sekali

01:15:53Ya

01:15:53Kauhap

01:15:53Pidana

01:15:53Militer

01:15:54Itu

01:15:54Tahun

01:15:5440an

01:15:55Sudah

01:15:56Ada

01:15:57Jadi

01:15:57Paradigmanya

01:15:58Memang

01:15:58Sudah

01:15:59Jauh

01:15:59Berbeda

01:15:59Mungkin

01:16:00Kalau

01:16:00Memasukkan

01:16:01Paradigma

01:16:01Baru

01:16:02Dari

01:16:02Paradigma

01:16:03Lebih

01:16:03Kontemporer

01:16:04Dari

01:16:04Yang

01:16:05Disampaikan

01:16:06Sebagai

01:16:06Yang

01:16:06Disampaikan

01:16:07Mas

01:16:07Al-Araf

01:16:07Saya kira

01:16:07Sangat

01:16:08Mungkin

01:16:08Tetapi

01:16:09Paling

01:16:10Tidak

01:16:11Kita

01:16:11Pisahkan

01:16:12Ini

01:16:13Pidana

01:16:13Militer

01:16:14Betul-betul

01:16:14Militer

01:16:14Diatur

01:16:15Sanksi

01:16:15Hanya

01:16:15Karena

01:16:16Melakukan

01:16:17Apa

01:16:17Misalnya

01:16:19Insubordinasi

01:16:20Apa

01:16:20Nah

01:16:21Sedangkan

01:16:21Yang

01:16:21Lainnya

01:16:21Itu

01:16:22Pidana

01:16:23Umum

01:16:24Walaupun

01:16:25Menarik

01:16:25Juga

01:16:25Tadi

01:16:25Saya

01:16:26Menarik

01:16:27Juga

01:16:27Kalau

01:16:27Misalnya

01:16:28Dijadikan

01:16:28Adhoc

01:16:29Walaupun

01:16:29Memang

01:16:29Secara

01:16:30Politik

01:16:30Hukum

01:16:31Pasti

01:16:31Akan

01:16:31Ada

01:16:31Perdebatan

01:16:32Yang

01:16:32Panjang

01:16:33Nah

01:16:34Yang

01:16:37Itu

01:16:38Barangkali

01:16:39Menjawab

01:16:39Pertanyaan

01:16:40Yang

01:16:40Mulia

01:16:40Dari

01:16:40Pak

01:16:41Arsul

01:16:42Yang

01:16:43Mulia

01:16:43Prof

01:16:44Eni

01:16:44Dan

01:16:45Yang

01:16:45Mulia

01:16:45Pak

01:16:46Soeharto

01:16:46Nah

01:16:47Kemohon

01:16:49Saya kira

01:16:49Pertanyaannya

01:16:54Apakah

01:16:55Ini

01:16:55Saya kira

01:16:58Inkonstitusional

01:16:59Itu

01:17:00Tidak

01:17:01Bisa

01:17:01Diterjemahkan

01:17:02Hanya

01:17:02Soalan

01:17:03Bunyi

01:17:04Pasal

01:17:04Yang

01:17:04Berbeda

01:17:06Jadi

01:17:07Inkonstitusional

01:17:08Itu

01:17:09Itu

01:17:10Bukan

01:17:11Hanya

01:17:12Soalan

01:17:12Teks

01:17:15Teks

01:17:16Secara

01:17:16Teks

01:17:16Bertolak

01:17:17Belakang

01:17:17Iya

01:17:18Itu

01:17:18Inkonstitusional

01:17:19Tapi

01:17:20Bisa

01:17:20Jadi

01:17:20Sebuah

01:17:21Teks

01:17:22Itu

01:17:22Sama

01:17:23Tetapi

01:17:23Konteksnya

01:17:24Jauh

01:17:25Berbeda

01:17:25Itu

01:17:25Bisa

01:17:26Disebut

01:17:26Juga

01:17:26Secara

01:17:27Inkonstitusional

01:17:29Apalagi

01:17:30Kalau

01:17:30Kita

01:17:30Menggunakan

01:17:31Metode

01:17:31Tafsir

01:17:32Kalau

01:17:32Ini kan

01:17:32Metode

01:17:33Tafsir

01:17:33Tematis

01:17:35Dalam

01:17:36Prinsip

01:17:37Tafsir

01:17:38Dalam

01:17:38Hukum Islam

01:17:39Misalnya

01:17:40Menggunakan

01:17:40Tafsir

01:17:40Maudu

01:17:41Ini

01:17:41Tafsir

01:17:42Yang

01:17:43Tematis

01:17:44Melihat

01:17:45Antara

01:17:46Bunyi

01:17:46Pasal

01:17:47Satu

01:17:47Dengan

01:17:48Bunyi

01:17:48Pasal

01:17:48Yang

01:17:48Lain

01:17:49Berkaitan

01:17:50Makanya

01:17:50Kalau

01:17:50Kita

01:17:51Lihat

01:17:521997

01:17:53Lalu

01:17:54Kemudian

01:17:54Kita

01:17:55Lihat

01:17:55TAP

01:17:57MPR

01:17:57Kita

01:17:58Lihat

01:17:58Undang

01:17:59TNI

01:17:59Lalu

01:18:00Kemudian

01:18:00Kita

01:18:00Tafsirkan

01:18:01Secara

01:18:01Bersamaan

01:18:02Menurut saya

01:18:02Undang

01:18:03Peradilan

01:18:04Militer

01:18:04Menjadi

01:18:04Sangat

01:18:05Inkonstitusional

01:18:06Karena

01:18:06Politik

01:18:07Hukumnya

01:18:07Sudah

01:18:08Bergeser

01:18:09Dan

01:18:09Jauh

01:18:12Berbeda

01:18:13Nah

01:18:14Begitu

01:18:14Juga

01:18:14Pertanyaan

01:18:15Yang kedua

01:18:15Saya kira

01:18:16Yang dilakukan

01:18:16Teman-teman

01:18:17Pemohon

01:18:18Saya kira

01:18:18Persis

01:18:19Yang disampaikan

01:18:19Oleh

01:18:20Yang Mulia

01:18:20Saldi Isra

01:18:21Prof. Saldi Isra

01:18:23Sudah saya

01:18:23Sampaikan

01:18:25Begitu

01:18:25Juga

01:18:26Soal

01:18:27Nah

01:18:27Peralihan

01:18:29Saya setuju

01:18:30Dengan

01:18:31Apa yang disampaikan

01:18:31Prof. Annie

01:18:32Dan itu juga

01:18:32Sudah saya tuliskan

01:18:33Dalam keterangan

01:18:34Saya

01:18:34Ingat

01:18:35Bahwa

01:18:35Aturan

01:18:36Peralihan

01:18:36Itu

01:18:37Betul-betul

01:18:37Berfungsi

01:18:38Sebagai

01:18:40Kesementaraan

01:18:41Coba

01:18:42Bayangkan

01:18:43Kesementaraan

01:18:44Itu

01:18:44Sudah terjadi

01:18:44Lebih 20 tahun

01:18:47Dan

01:18:47Persis yang saya

01:18:49Sampaikan disini

01:18:50Itu sudah menjadi

01:18:51Alasan

01:18:51Seperti kaset

01:18:52Yang diulang

01:18:53Berulang kali

01:18:54Diputar

01:18:54Berulang kali

01:18:55Oleh

01:18:56Teman-teman kita

01:18:57Dari

01:18:58TNI

01:18:59Untuk

01:19:02Menegasikan

01:19:02Kemungkinan

01:19:03Dibawa ke

01:19:04Pemimpinan

01:19:04Ke

01:19:04Pekadilan sipil

01:19:06Maksud saya

01:19:06Adalah

01:19:07Ini

01:19:07Saatnya

01:19:09Untuk

01:19:09Di

01:19:13Selesaikan

01:19:14Nah

01:19:14Dari

01:19:16Presiden

01:19:17Teman-teman

01:19:18Dari

01:19:19Kuasa Presiden

01:19:20Dari

01:19:20Kemenhan

01:19:20Jelas

01:19:22Berbeda

01:19:22Pasal

01:19:2324

01:19:24Undang-Undang

01:19:26Dasar

01:19:26Lama

01:19:27Dengan

01:19:28Pasal

01:19:2824

01:19:28Undang-Undang

01:19:29Dasar

01:19:29Baru

01:19:31Membaca

01:19:32Undang-Undang

01:19:33Peradilan

01:19:34Militer

01:19:34Itu masih

01:19:35Menggunakan

01:19:36Konstruksi

01:19:37Undang-Undang

01:19:37Dasar

01:19:38Yang

01:19:38Lama

01:19:38Dan

01:19:40Politik

01:19:40Hukumnya

01:19:41Jelas

01:19:41Berbeda

01:19:42Saya kira kalau politik hukum

01:19:43Mungkin bisa dibaca

01:19:44Bukunya Pak

01:19:45Mahfud

01:19:46Disertasinya

01:19:47Ketika dia menjelaskan

01:19:49Bahwa

01:19:49Model

01:19:50Atau konstruksi

01:19:53Sistem

01:19:54Pemerintahan

01:19:55Atau sistem

01:19:56Politik

01:19:57Yang tidak

01:19:57Demokratis

01:19:59Itu akan

01:19:59Membuat

01:20:00Undang-Undangnya

01:20:01Cenderung

01:20:01Tidak

01:20:02Demokratis

01:20:02Nah ini

01:20:03Contohnya

01:20:05Itu juga

01:20:06Tulisan banyak

01:20:06Yang saya sebutkan

01:20:07Tadi

01:20:07Ada tulisannya

01:20:08Markus

01:20:08Ada tulisannya

01:20:08Banyak sekali

01:20:09Yang menjelaskan

01:20:10Bahwa

01:20:10Peradilan militer

01:20:11Itu memang konstruksinya

01:20:12Di awalnya

01:20:12Lebih pada

01:20:15Semacam

01:20:15Perlindungan

01:20:16Nah itu

01:20:16Berbeda

01:20:17Karena

01:20:18Undang-Undang

01:20:20Peradilan militer

01:20:21Yang saya menggunakan

01:20:22Undang-Undang dasar

01:20:23Lama

01:20:23Lalu kemudian

01:20:24Ketika Undang-Undang dasar

01:20:26Baru

01:20:26Kita buat

01:20:271999

01:20:28Sampai

01:20:292002

01:20:29Itu diimbuhi

01:20:31Dengan politik hukum

01:20:32Yang baru

01:20:32Dari negara

01:20:33Dengan lebih

01:20:34Mendorong ke arah

01:20:36Pemisahan

01:20:36Secara

01:20:37Detail

01:20:38Tindak pidana militer

01:20:40Khusus militer

01:20:41Dan tindak pidana sipil

01:20:43Khusus sipil

01:20:44Tidak dibedakan

01:20:46Berdasarkan siapa pelakunya

01:20:48Nah kira-kira begitu

01:20:48Jadi

01:20:49Saya kira

01:20:50Ada beda sebenarnya

01:20:52Membacanya

01:20:53Dan karena membacanya berbeda

01:20:54Maka

01:20:55Tidak mungkin bisa disamakan

01:20:58Dengan mudah

01:20:59Bahwa

01:20:59Peradilan militer

01:21:00Yang ada

01:21:01Sekarang

01:21:02Dengan menggunakan

01:21:03Konstruksi lama

01:21:04Itu sebenarnya

01:21:05Sudah menyelesaikan

01:21:08Politik hukum

01:21:09Yang baru

01:21:10Sudah menyelesaikan

01:21:12Itikat negara

01:21:13Untuk menuju

01:21:14Ke arah

01:21:14Proses penyelesaian

01:21:17Peradilan

01:21:18Berkaitan dengan

01:21:19Teman-teman

01:21:19Dari militer

01:21:21Begitu yang mulia

01:21:23Cukup

01:21:23Terima kasih

01:21:26Tidak ada yang bisa

01:21:27Menjawab segala hal

01:21:28Dan

01:21:29Akan ada

01:21:30Perdebatan-perdebatan

01:21:31Juga berkait dengan ini

01:21:33Tapi untuk sesi ini

01:21:34Dianggap selesai

01:21:34Saya kembalikan kepada

01:21:36Yang Mulia Ketua

01:21:37Terima kasih

01:21:38Baik, terima kasih

01:21:39Pak

01:21:39Pak Tidak

01:21:41Yang Mulia

01:21:46Berkaitan dengan

01:21:47Permohonan ini

01:21:48Kan ada

01:21:50Permohonan menjadi

01:21:51Pihak terkait dari

01:22:01Andri Yunus ya

01:22:03Tapi karena ini

01:22:04Sudah persidangan

01:22:05Sudah sampai pada

01:22:06Tahap

01:22:07Menghadirkan

01:22:08Ahli

01:22:10Maka

01:22:11Berdasarkan

01:22:12Ketentuan

01:22:12Peraturan Mahkamah

01:22:13Khusus yang ada

01:22:16Permohonan dimaksud

01:22:17Sudah melewati

01:22:18Tinggang waktu

01:22:19Dan

01:22:19Nanti menjadi

01:22:20Mundur lagi

01:22:21Karena

01:22:21Harus mendengarkan

01:22:23Keterangan

01:22:23Andri Yunus

01:22:24Sekiranya

01:22:25Permohonan itu

01:22:25Diterima

01:22:26Penalukan itu

01:22:27Dalam

01:22:28Diskusi dengan

01:22:31Hakim

01:22:32Pada rapat

01:22:32Permohonan

01:22:33Hakim

01:22:33Permohonan dimaksud

01:22:34Tidak bisa

01:22:36Diterima

01:22:38Sebagai pihak terkait

01:22:39Secara langsung

01:22:39Untuk didengar

01:22:40Di persidangan

01:22:41Tapi

01:22:42Keterangannya

01:22:42Bisa

01:22:43Diajukan

01:22:44Sebagai

01:22:44Bagian dari

01:22:45Eti

01:22:46Permandum

01:22:46Dan nanti

01:22:48Juga akan

01:22:48Dipertimbangkan oleh

01:22:49Majelis Hakim

01:22:50Pada saat

01:22:51Pengambilan putusan

01:22:55Itu

01:22:56Kemudian

01:22:57Untuk

01:22:58Selanjutnya

01:22:59Dari

01:23:00Presiden

01:23:00Atau

01:23:01Pemerintah

01:23:01Kan

01:23:02Mengajukan

01:23:02Ahli

01:23:03Ada yang

01:23:04Mulia

01:23:05Satu

01:23:05Hadir

01:23:06Di

01:23:06Sidang

01:23:07Satu

01:23:07Lagi

01:23:07Terangan

01:23:08Secara

01:23:08Tertulis

01:23:09Secara

01:23:09Tertulis

01:23:10Kenapa

01:23:11Tidak

01:23:11Dihadirkan

01:23:11Semua

01:23:13Satu

01:23:14Saja

01:23:14Baik

01:23:16Satu

01:23:17Saksi

01:23:17Satu

01:23:18Saksi

01:23:19Dan

01:23:19Satu

01:23:19Ahli

01:23:19Tapi

01:23:20Ada

01:23:21Ahli

01:23:21Tertulis

01:23:22Secara

01:23:22Tertulis

01:23:22Baik

01:23:23Nanti

01:23:23Disampaikan

01:23:24Tertulis

01:23:25Kemudian

01:23:26Dari

01:23:26DPR

01:23:27Dan

01:23:27Dari

01:23:27Pihak

01:23:28Terkait

01:23:28Panglima

01:23:28TNI

01:23:29Jika akan

01:23:29Mengajukan

01:23:30Ahli

01:23:30Dan

01:23:30Saksi

01:23:31Dipersilahkan

01:23:32Tapi

01:23:32Tertulis

01:23:33Tidak

01:23:34Harus

01:23:34Dihadirkan

01:23:35Di

01:23:35Persidangan

01:23:35Baik

01:23:37Untuk

01:23:37Beri kesempatan

01:23:38Kuasa

01:23:39Presiden

01:23:39Atau

01:23:40Pemerintah

01:23:40Mengajukan

01:23:41Ahli

01:23:41Satu

01:23:42Orang

01:24:09Terima kasih

01:24:10Mereka itu memberi kesempatan pemohon masih mengajukan satu orang saksi dan pemerintah mengajukan satu orang ahli dan satu orang saksi.

01:24:20Sidang hari ini belum bisa dilanjutkan dan akan dibuka kembali nanti di hari Selasa tanggal 28 April 2026, pukul 13

01:24:28.30.

01:24:29Akhirnya menerakan keterangan ahli satu orang dan saksi satu orang dari Presiden atau pemerintah dan saksi satu orang dari pemohon.

01:24:38Untuk ahli, keterangan dan CV-nya supaya diserahkan pada mahkamah paling lambat, dua hari kerja sebelum persidangan diselenggarakan, termasuk izin

01:24:49dari atasan jika yang dihadirkan adalah akademisi dari universitas atau sejenisnya.

01:24:57Baik, terima kasih untuk persidangan hari ini, khususnya terima kasih untuk para ahli, Prof. Daniel dan Dr. Al-Arab.

01:25:05Pak, sebentar Pak. Atas keterangan-keterangannya, mudah-mudahan keterangan-keterangan dimaksud bisa menjadi bahan pertimbangan majlis dalam memutus atau mempertimbangkan

01:25:16permohonan ini.

01:25:18Ada apa Pak?

01:25:19Siap, mohon maaf yang mulia. Kami pihak terkait mengajukan dua saksi ahli dan fakta, Pak.

01:25:27Setara tertulis saja, Pak. Tidak juga di persidangan. Tadi sudah kami sampaikan.

01:25:33Terima kasih, Pak.

01:25:33Ya, perlakuan sama kami berikan juga untuk pihak terkait yang lain. Semoga beri kesempatan, tapi setara tertulis.

01:25:39Terima kasih, Yang Mulia.

01:25:40Baik.

01:25:43Terima kasih untuk persidangan hari ini, untuk semuanya. Sidang selesai dan ditutup.

01:25:49Hadirin dimohon berdiri, Yang Mulia Majelis Hakim Konstitusi meninggalkan ruang persidangan.

01:26:06Hadirin disilakan duduk kembali.

01:26:10Hadirin yang kamu hormati, demikianlah persidangan pada hari Selasa, tanggal 14 April 2026,

01:26:17untuk permohonan nomor 260 garis miring PUU, Gersdatar 23 Romawi, garis miring 2025, telah selesai.

01:26:27Sidang lanjutan akan dilaksanakan pada hari Selasa, tanggal 28 April 2026, pada pukul 13.30 waktu Indonesia Barat.

01:26:36Selanjutnya, sidang untuk permohonan nomor 97, garis miring PUU, garis datar 24 Romawi, garis miring 2026, pada pukul 15.10

01:26:49waktu Indonesia Barat.

01:26:50Terima kasih, selamat sore.

01:26:54Terima kasih, selamat menikmati.

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