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00:00:00Now, ladies and gentlemen, let's have a welcome from Patrick Kielty.

00:00:30Hello, good evening, welcome to The Daily Late Show.

00:00:47We're live from Dublin with an almost live studio audience.

00:00:51We have a jam-packed line-up coming your way tonight, folks, from Newry to New Orleans,

00:00:56Ireland's newest patron saint, NFL superstar, Charlie Smith, is going to be touching down.

00:01:04Host of Ireland's number one podcast, Nicola Talland, is going to be joining us.

00:01:10Not one, not two, but three actors who've starred in three of the biggest TV shows in the world,

00:01:17from the OC, Misha Barton, from Peaky Blinders, Charlene McKenna,

00:01:21and from Stranger Things, we're turning upside down with Amy Beth McNulty.

00:01:34But before all that, my first guest made headlines last August when she announced she was leaving RTE

00:01:40after 15 years to take over from Pat Kenny on News Talk.

00:01:45Here to tell us why she left, what the future holds, and most important of all,

00:01:50how she's managed to get back into the building tonight.

00:01:53Would you please welcome Clare Burns!

00:01:55I have to get back up, that's the first place.

00:02:12So does the security pass still work, or did we smuggle you in the laundry van?

00:02:16How did this work?

00:02:17I tried it, it didn't work.

00:02:19I had to give my name to the man on the gate.

00:02:21No way!

00:02:21It was the weirdest thing ever.

00:02:23But I know where the tea is, I found the tea, I found the cups, so that's all fine.

00:02:28And it was lovely to chat to everybody, the girls in make-up, you know, all my friends.

00:02:33It's lovely to be back.

00:02:34It's great to be back.

00:02:36You shocked a lot of people last August when you said you were leaving.

00:02:41Was that something that had sort of been brewing in your head for a wee while,

00:02:44or was it a sudden offer that came your way?

00:02:49I'm always doing queer things, Patrick.

00:02:51It wasn't a sudden thing.

00:02:55I think it was age-related, actually.

00:02:57I have this neighbour, I had this neighbour, right?

00:03:00And in my 30s, I gave an interview in a newspaper and I told the paper my age.

00:03:04It chased me down the street, you never say your age.

00:03:06Well, Mary, if you're watching, I'm going to do it again.

00:03:08I turned 50 last summer.

00:03:10And, oh well, you know, but it's a funny one, isn't it?

00:03:15And I don't know, I mean, you're not 50 yet, right?

00:03:17So you don't know what this is like.

00:03:18I'm not 50 yet, so I wouldn't know.

00:03:21But it does make you think about where you're going, what you're doing.

00:03:27Are you a bit too comfy in your seat?

00:03:30Should you challenge yourself?

00:03:31Is this a thing, though, that you've kind of always had, which is, if you feel that you're

00:03:36doing something and you're comfortable, you want to shake it up a bit?

00:03:40Three to five years, move, move, move.

00:03:42So Newstalk came along and they said, we have huge ambition.

00:03:46We want to grow the audience.

00:03:47And initially I thought, you know what, I'm grand where I am.

00:03:50Thank you very much.

00:03:51And then I thought, why am I not going to meet this challenge?

00:03:56You know, they think I can do it.

00:03:57Why don't I think that I have the appetite for it?

00:04:00So I said, you know what, give it a go.

00:04:02Let's do it.

00:04:03And was it an offer you couldn't refuse?

00:04:06I suppose it was.

00:04:07I suppose it was.

00:04:10But you know what, if I'd stayed here, I was going to be very well paid to stay here.

00:04:15And I think people know that.

00:04:16I've been very honest about what I was earning in RTE.

00:04:19So it was more...

00:04:21Would you have been getting a pay cut or you had to stay?

00:04:23Yes, I would.

00:04:24Yes.

00:04:25Yeah.

00:04:25And look, let's not make any bones about it.

00:04:28That certainly was a factor.

00:04:30But I wasn't going to starve if I stayed here.

00:04:33I was very happy here.

00:04:35I have had opportunities here to do great things.

00:04:38However, did I want to try and stretch my chops a bit?

00:04:42Did I want to try and push on and do something different?

00:04:45Yes, I always do.

00:04:46And so ultimately, that was the decision I made.

00:04:49And I'm excited to get started.

00:04:51I can tell you're excited to get started.

00:04:5315 years here in RTE.

00:04:55Lots of highlights.

00:04:56What moments stand out for you?

00:04:58So many.

00:04:59I had a great time here.

00:05:01Did things that I could never imagine.

00:05:03I was winched off the burn, you know, when I was working for RTE.

00:05:05I did this search and rescue programme.

00:05:07And the Coast Guard winched me off the burn.

00:05:09That was a highlight.

00:05:09But looking back, I think the big leaders' debates, which maybe some of you saw.

00:05:17Like in 2016, we went down to Limerick, to the university.

00:05:20We filled it with the audience.

00:05:22We had seven leaders up on the stage.

00:05:24And you know when a show is just electric and everything just works?

00:05:29And I was running around through the audience.

00:05:31I was asking questions.

00:05:32The audience was asking questions.

00:05:33It was just brilliant.

00:05:33What's that like, to be in the middle of something like that?

00:05:37It felt like a huge privilege because you really felt like you were making a difference.

00:05:42And maybe you were helping people to make their minds up.

00:05:44And you were teasing through the manifestos that these people had presented to the public.

00:05:49Like, our democratic right to vote is so precious.

00:05:53We all know how hard, you know, fought it was for us to have that.

00:05:57Particularly in these times.

00:05:58I think it's really important for us to examine everything, every proposal that's put in front of us.

00:06:04And that was one of those moments where you felt you were getting it right.

00:06:06So, yeah, those leaders' debates were really special for me.

00:06:10There's a moment that stood out for me, probably stand out for a lot of people.

00:06:15It's when you were having a chat with someone who could potentially be the next Prime Minister of Britain.

00:06:22Do you remember this?

00:06:23But I want people to see just how much you know about the history and culture on this island.

00:06:30I hope you enjoy a few pints with the lads tonight.

00:06:35Up the rah.

00:06:39Up the rah, Nigel.

00:06:41I mean, I know that you said sorry.

00:06:43I know you get 87 quid.

00:06:44It's entirely within your rights to do that.

00:06:46But come on, don't try and lecture the Irish people about the culture and history and precarious nature of peace on this island.

00:06:56You haven't got a clue.

00:07:06I was cross, wasn't I?

00:07:07I was cross that night.

00:07:08I was cross with night.

00:07:09You were good, though.

00:07:11You were good.

00:07:12Do you know what, though, Patrick?

00:07:14As Roy Keane would say, you're just doing your job.

00:07:16You're just doing your job.

00:07:17Yeah.

00:07:17You're just doing your job.

00:07:18In terms of low points, how difficult was it to be covering the pay scandal here in RTE and for you to be under scrutiny yourself?

00:07:29I remember listening to you and you going on air and having to clear stuff up.

00:07:32It was awful.

00:07:33What was that like?

00:07:34It was awful.

00:07:34Because I hadn't joined at that stage.

00:07:37I hadn't started the show.

00:07:38You came in in 2023, right?

00:07:39I came in in 2023 in September.

00:07:41But all over that summer, you were on air.

00:07:44It started in the May.

00:07:46Incredibly difficult for everybody here.

00:07:48And even tonight coming in, you know, it's still a topic of conversation.

00:07:52And we didn't know what was going on.

00:07:54We didn't know what was going to happen from day to day.

00:07:57Our colleagues, our managers were in front of Aarokhtis committees.

00:08:01It was not pleasant.

00:08:02It's never pleasant to report on your own workplace.

00:08:05But that was particularly intense.

00:08:07And then I started getting text messages from journalists saying, everybody's saying that you're on a funny old deal, that you have a free car.

00:08:15So that's when I made the decision to tell my audience exactly what I was earning, why I was earning, what was the genesis of my pay, my contracted pay here.

00:08:25Because I thought, I need to extricate myself from these rumours, you know, and set it all down.

00:08:31But none of that was pleasant.

00:08:33And I think people are still feeling the effects of it.

00:08:35And I know, you know, everybody sitting here and everybody watching this knows that there are so many people in RTE whose sole mission it is to make great public service programmes.

00:08:46They're still doing it.

00:08:47They did it all through that.

00:08:49They're great people.

00:08:50And they've been through an awful lot.

00:08:52And I just think it's really important to pay tribute to them, you know.

00:08:55I know, doing Clareburn Live, I know that meant a lot to you.

00:09:05That was a big show.

00:09:06There was a point where you realised you couldn't do it anymore.

00:09:09Why was that?

00:09:11The babies.

00:09:12The babies.

00:09:13So I have three children who are watching.

00:09:16You're going to have to send them to bed at the end of this interview because they're going to try and stay up.

00:09:19They're going to listen to me.

00:09:21Hang on, if they're watching there, let's see.

00:09:24If you're watching, kids, your mum says it's grand to actually have some more Haribo, maybe some Maltesers to stay up as well.

00:09:31Patrick, you see, no, I'm going to go home now and that's going to be said back to me.

00:09:36No, my children were very young.

00:09:38God, I loved Clareburn Live.

00:09:39It was a great programme.

00:09:40It was on really late on a Monday night.

00:09:42So our challenge was to get people to stay up late to watch it.

00:09:45So we threw the kitchen sink at it.

00:09:47We did all sorts of things.

00:09:48And if you have a show on a Monday, that means you're going to be working through the weekend on it.

00:09:51Working through the weekend, probably exhausted until Wednesday because it's intense, right?

00:09:56And I had, my youngest was four and I would be putting her to bed.

00:10:00So I'd done my day's work on the radio show, putting her to bed with my coat on and she'd have her little grey bunny and the tears would be falling.

00:10:07Don't go, mammy.

00:10:08It's just, I couldn't.

00:10:09It's because I wanted to teach my children that you should do a job that you love, but I was teaching them that you had to sacrifice your home life for that career.

00:10:15So I just had to say, I can't do this anymore.

00:10:19And I don't regret that decision, but I'm so proud of that programme and always will be.

00:10:23You spent a bit more time with the kids now over the last few months.

00:10:27Oh, it's been great.

00:10:28What have you been up to?

00:10:30Making pancakes in the morning.

00:10:33I'm taking breakfast orders now.

00:10:34Great.

00:10:35Smoothies, you know, whatever you want.

00:10:37So I've said to them over the last week, this is stopping soon.

00:10:40I'll be starting a news talk in two weeks' time.

00:10:42So today we're having Weetabix with cold milk.

00:10:45So that's working well.

00:10:47That's the reason why they're not going to bed.

00:10:52You're taking over from a broadcasting legend, Pat Kenny.

00:10:55Is there any nerves taken over from Pat?

00:10:57He's such an accomplished broadcaster, you know, such a big audience himself.

00:11:02Or when you get to your stage, does nerves really come into it?

00:11:05All the time.

00:11:07But like nerves are good, aren't they?

00:11:08A certain amount of nerves.

00:11:09Pat is an absolute icon, a legend.

00:11:13We presented together, you know, on prime time.

00:11:16Not many people remember that.

00:11:17Myself, Miriam and Pat.

00:11:19And I remember he said something to me, which I always think of when I'm presenting.

00:11:24He said, it's 90% showbiz.

00:11:26And I was thinking, no, it's not.

00:11:27It's current affairs and it's news.

00:11:29But he's so right.

00:11:30And I watched him.

00:11:31He'd walk onto a set.

00:11:33Whatever Pat's telling you is the most important thing that you're going to hear today.

00:11:37I love him for that.

00:11:38And he's such a generous colleague.

00:11:40And it is intimidating taking over his slot.

00:11:42But it'll be a whole new show.

00:11:45And I'm really excited to get going.

00:11:47Can't wait.

00:11:48RT have sort of swapped up their entire radio schedule after your announcement.

00:11:52Do you think they're worried?

00:11:54Do you think that's because of me?

00:11:55I don't know.

00:11:56I don't know.

00:11:57Do you think that's because of you?

00:11:58I don't know.

00:11:59I don't know.

00:12:00But I'm up for the fight.

00:12:01I mean, the right answer there is to say, oh, the pie is big enough for all of us.

00:12:05But you know what?

00:12:06I'm going to news talk to grow the audience.

00:12:08So bring it on.

00:12:10I nearly ran over David McCullough this week.

00:12:12Right.

00:12:13Breaking news.

00:12:14No, I saw him.

00:12:14I was trying to reverse into a car parking space.

00:12:17I was talking to somebody from the Late Late Show.

00:12:19Hands free now, right?

00:12:20And I did a swear word and I said, I almost killed David McCullough.

00:12:26Yes.

00:12:26So there's your story.

00:12:27Okay.

00:12:28And when I told him, because he didn't know it was me in the car until I told him when

00:12:31I saw him, we did a bit of finger wagging, you know, me and David.

00:12:34All that stuff.

00:12:34Yeah.

00:12:35But he's great.

00:12:36But yeah, I'm bringing it.

00:12:37They put David there and Oliver.

00:12:39So I've got to beat the two of them.

00:12:42Love it.

00:12:43Okay.

00:12:44Before we let you go, rumours of Dancing with the Stars, is that something you might...

00:12:50In my house, is that what you mean?

00:12:51Yes, I know the kids are thinking that'll be a good gig for you.

00:12:54The only show that my children are interested in, they don't care what I do, they just keep

00:12:59saying to me, can you do Dancing with the Stars?

00:13:01So I've outlined for them the problems.

00:13:04I can't dance at all.

00:13:06My husband would be great about Dancing with the Stars.

00:13:09I'm very busy and I've got three children.

00:13:11So their response to me was, well, you'd only be on it for two weeks anyway, because

00:13:15you'd be booted off, so you should just do it.

00:13:19Brilliant.

00:13:20Claire, look, thank you so, so much for coming back to see us.

00:13:23We wish you all the best with your next chapter.

00:13:26Delighted to be here.

00:13:27Claire Byrne.

00:13:29Thank you so much.

00:13:33Okay.

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00:15:06Now, I could not be prouder to welcome a next guest back to The Late Late Show, who over

00:15:11the past few months has been kicking himself into the NFL history books, one punt at a time

00:15:16three years ago.

00:15:18He never even kicked in American football, but since then he's gone on from being the goalkeeper

00:15:22for St. Pat's Mayo Bridge to the place kicker for the New Orleans Saints, would you please

00:15:27welcome the NFL's very own star of the county down, Charlie Smith.

00:15:31Charlie, welcome to the show.

00:15:50Welcome back.

00:15:51Huge congratulations.

00:15:52As you can hear, so many people follow in your story.

00:15:56It's been incredible.

00:15:57Yeah.

00:15:57The support from home, Paddy, has been unbelievable.

00:15:59So, just extremely grateful for it all, and, you know, great to be back, I suppose, you

00:16:03know, too.

00:16:04What is it like to hear the words, Charlie Smith, lead kicker for the New Orleans Saints?

00:16:08Look, you know, it's been pretty nice now, I have to say.

00:16:12And, look, you know, it's past six weeks, or, you know, however long ago it was now, eight

00:16:16weeks ago, maybe, and it's just been such a whirlwind, you know, going from maybe just,

00:16:21you know, sitting in the dark, you know, to finally getting to play on Sundays has just

00:16:25been incredible.

00:16:26And just, look, you know, again, I just want to thank the support from everybody at home.

00:16:29It's just, I really felt it, and it's been unbelievable.

00:16:32I mean, the last time you were on this show, you had just started kicking a football, you

00:16:38were heading there.

00:16:39Yeah.

00:16:39You'd been signed by the Saints.

00:16:42Were you going there in hope or expectation?

00:16:44Honestly, now that you've got there, can you tell us what was going through your mind back

00:16:48then?

00:16:48No, it was an expectation of playing.

00:16:51Like, I knew that...

00:16:52Even back then?

00:16:54Yeah, well, that's the way it was going, you know.

00:16:57Now, don't get me wrong, there were days where, you know, you're in the process, you're

00:17:00in the middle of it, where you're questioning if the chances are ever going to come.

00:17:04But the expectation going over here was to get playing on Sundays.

00:17:08And, look, just extremely grateful to have, you know, had the chance the last six games

00:17:13of the season.

00:17:13But that's a result of the process of the everyday grind of turning up not knowing if

00:17:20you're ever going to get playing.

00:17:21And, look, you know, I suppose it's just been a product of working in the dark, you know,

00:17:26to eventually get your days, you know, out in the sunshine.

00:17:28And, you know, it's just been unbelievable.

00:17:31Paddy, I'm just so grateful.

00:17:33It's amazing to actually sign with an NFL team and get on the roster.

00:17:38How much more difficult is it to go from that to be on the team?

00:17:42Yes, I suppose, you know, you're on the practice squad and, you know, probably the outside world

00:17:47thinks that you're only on the team because you're this international guy.

00:17:50And, look, that international spot was so good for me to have and extremely grateful to

00:17:56the NFL, you know, to open the doors to say, look, we want to grow the game internationally

00:18:01and we want to have more, you know, international athletes playing.

00:18:04But there's only 32 kickers in the NFL.

00:18:07Yeah.

00:18:07You're not allowed to miss.

00:18:09And if you do miss, you're gone.

00:18:11So getting to one of those 32 spots is hardcore.

00:18:13Yeah, look, you know, those 32 spots are, you know, very coveted.

00:18:17And, you know, even just to hold on to them now, you know, I want to go to that next level

00:18:21now to try and become one of the best guys in the league.

00:18:24And, look, you know, it's very hard to get playing.

00:18:26As you said, Paddy, there's 32 spots in the world for this.

00:18:30And, you know, right now I hold one of them.

00:18:31But the season's over.

00:18:33Yeah, well, hang on.

00:18:34Let's go back and tell us how you got that spot.

00:18:37Because, you know, the season started.

00:18:39You didn't have the spot.

00:18:41What happened?

00:18:42When did you get your chance?

00:18:43Look, just, you know, it was just a result of maybe a little bit of misfortune with our

00:18:47other kicker at the time.

00:18:49And, look, you know, I'm just sitting there.

00:18:51I'm turning up every Monday and Thursday, kicking on my own and just hoping that, you

00:18:55know, something's going to come good.

00:18:56And, look, I got the chance then to compete for the job then.

00:19:00And playing against the Dolphins, there was a chance in competing against two other guys

00:19:05and one of them who's arguably the best kicker ever in NFL history on the Tuesday.

00:19:10You know, we made it through that.

00:19:11So, the guy who had the spot, he missed just two or three kicks.

00:19:15Well, it was a little bit more than that.

00:19:17But in the previous game, he missed two.

00:19:19And then you didn't get the spot.

00:19:22You were up against two other people.

00:19:23Yeah, there was like a trial again that week.

00:19:25And that week was a really important week.

00:19:28And that was probably my best week of practice I've had since I've been there.

00:19:31So, I feel like, you know, when the brights are lighter, then it's kind of when I can,

00:19:36you know, perform a little bit better.

00:19:38So, it's just, you know, it was a great week now.

00:19:40I mean, the whole of County Down was just going mad whenever we heard that you'd got the spot

00:19:43against the Dolphins.

00:19:45Talk to us about the first game.

00:19:46You're Miami Dolphins, legendary team.

00:19:49You're up against them.

00:19:49It's in Miami, 64,000 in the stadium, coast to coast going to America.

00:19:54Yeah.

00:19:54You're walking out.

00:19:56How do you feel?

00:19:57Yeah, look, I felt prepared just because of the week that, you know, the fact that I was

00:20:02tried through the week and had come through that.

00:20:04So, I was like, there's nothing more that I can face this week that's going to face me

00:20:08more than, you know, than playing a game.

00:20:10And just going out onto the field and trusting all the work that you've done over this last,

00:20:14you know, two years, I suppose.

00:20:15And it was great to have my family out as well.

00:20:17You know, I'm a coach, Tag, who's here as well.

00:20:20And, you know, just, I got to tell them on the Friday morning and the book deflates the

00:20:23Friday night and they were in Miami by the Saturday night.

00:20:26Obviously, with the time difference as well, which, you know, made it a little more difficult

00:20:29too, but.

00:20:29We have a little picture of the family here.

00:20:31This is the guys, this before or after, this is before the game or after the game?

00:20:35This is before the game, yeah.

00:20:36This is just after I had my warm-up kicks on the game and I got to say hello for a little

00:20:40while.

00:20:40Okay.

00:20:41Brilliant.

00:20:43So, the family lands out.

00:20:46Yeah.

00:20:47Big opportunity and most people would sort of want a couple of wee sort of shorter kicks,

00:20:52baby kicks to try to get the eye in, get the leg in.

00:20:56Not you.

00:20:57This is Charlie's first kick from his own half.

00:21:0156-yard field goal attempt.

00:21:05Yeah.

00:21:06I mean, just saying the words, you know, a guy from Mayo Bridge is now playing in the

00:21:30NFL.

00:21:30That's something out of a movie, really.

00:21:33I mean, how does it feel looking back on the last few months?

00:21:36The last few months, they were, especially before I got playing, they were challenging.

00:21:41Especially not knowing if, you know, if your chance would ever come.

00:21:44But then when you get the chance, you're just, you know, you're really trying to take pride

00:21:47and there's a deeper meaning to what you're doing.

00:21:50And so, you can think of all your controllable thoughts.

00:21:52But then you think of who you're representing.

00:21:54You're getting to represent the people of Mayo Bridge.

00:21:57You know, your family, the Smith name.

00:21:59You know, the people at Down have been unbelievably supportive as well.

00:22:02And the whole of Ireland.

00:22:03And Ireland as well, you know.

00:22:04So, I took that down in my notes before every game about, you know, who am I getting to

00:22:08represent.

00:22:08And that kind of gives you that deeper meaning of, you know, it's not just about me.

00:22:12It's about giving people something to talk about at home.

00:22:16And, you know, especially my family.

00:22:17And, look, it's just been class, Paddy.

00:22:20I'm just so grateful for everything.

00:22:21Look, it's been better than class.

00:22:22I mean, you've already tied the New Orleans Saints record for five successful kicks in a

00:22:28game.

00:22:28You also, this was so, so cool.

00:22:35You also hit the winning kick against the Panthers.

00:22:40There was just seconds to go in this game.

00:22:42You've been brought out for the kick.

00:22:44What's going through your head?

00:22:46Yeah, look, I was just really grateful for the offense and the team to do a great job to

00:22:50help put the field goal unit in a position to go in the game.

00:22:56And I was like, those are the moments you're craving for as a kicker, you know, to try

00:23:01and, you know, help your team win in the last seconds of the game.

00:23:03And, look, I was just, I was pretty calm going out there.

00:23:05And we weren't.

00:23:07We weren't.

00:23:07I don't know what I can tell.

00:23:08I have to say, the last seconds of the game, here's Charlie coming out to do his stuff.

00:23:12It's Charlie Smith, who a couple years ago didn't even know the International Pathway

00:23:18program existed.

00:23:20Went to a tryout, got noticed, and the Irish-born kicker with the division on the line for Carolina.

00:23:29Charlie Smith from 47.

00:23:32It's on the way.

00:23:35It is good.

00:23:37The conquering hero of Ireland has given New Orleans the lead.

00:23:43Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

00:23:49Oh, man, how cool is that?

00:23:51Yeah, those are cool moments.

00:23:53You know, probably something, whenever all this is over, that I'll, you know, really get to enjoy,

00:23:58you know, I want to sit back and look at all the memories that we've created over this last,

00:24:02you know, 10 years, or, you know, hopefully, you know, when it comes to that stage,

00:24:05because I'm thinking of the next season already.

00:24:08I can tell.

00:24:08I can see the look in the eye.

00:24:09Yeah, so that's the way the mindset is.

00:24:12I'm not satisfied with what I've done, because I feel like there's, you know,

00:24:15there's a higher standard that can reach a game.

00:24:17But I feel like those six games were a great learning process.

00:24:20And, you know, stuff that I can take into the off-season now to work on.

00:24:24And there's plenty of stuff to work on, Paddy.

00:24:27When you do something like that, what's the celebrations like that night?

00:24:30What did you get up to?

00:24:31I'll say to be honest, because it's such a long day.

00:24:34It's like, you know, you're waking up maybe four or five hours before the game.

00:24:38That game was actually a later game.

00:24:40So it's kind of like an all-day process of waiting and waiting.

00:24:43And then you're getting warmed up three hours before the game,

00:24:46because we have to get our kicks in before the rest of the team comes out to get warmed up.

00:24:50And then, you know, the game's three hours long.

00:24:53And then after the game, I says, look, I just want to get some pizza.

00:24:56And have some beers with, you know, my mum, dad and girlfriend and sister.

00:25:00And, look, you know, that was a cool night now, I have to say.

00:25:04But I wasn't fit to do anything after.

00:25:06I was just like, get me a sofa and let me watch the rest of the football.

00:25:09Brilliant.

00:25:10Brilliant.

00:25:11I mean, the one question we all wanted to know, you know, how does the New Orleans Saints set up compare to Mayo Bridge?

00:25:19Oh, look, I'm not going to sit here and diss Mayo Bridge, right?

00:25:22Well, I'm not dissing Mayo Bridge either.

00:25:23We have three great fields in Mayo Bridge.

00:25:25We do have a good ball wall, too.

00:25:26Yeah, exactly.

00:25:27That's right, yeah.

00:25:28But it's just next level.

00:25:30It's next level.

00:25:31It's a, you can think, one of the machines in our training room costs $60,000 just to, like, do, like, electromagnetic pulses on your leg.

00:25:38That's just one example.

00:25:40It's just there's so much money and resources that's pumped into that you can never imagine being pumped into football at home.

00:25:46And it's just an unbelievable setup party.

00:25:48You know, so that's what they do for you in New Orleans.

00:25:50But in Mayo Bridge, they do something different.

00:25:53This is Gorman's Bar.

00:25:54This is how you know you've made it.

00:25:56This is what Gorman's Bar did.

00:26:00They changed the name of the beer for one of the games to Charlie's Bar.

00:26:04That was my friend who did that for always.

00:26:06If you don't like that, there's Smith Ricks.

00:26:08There you go.

00:26:11All good.

00:26:12Yeah, no luck.

00:26:13So, look, whenever you started out, your dream was to get to the NFL.

00:26:19Once you got there, your dream was to start in a game.

00:26:21You've done that, too.

00:26:22Yeah.

00:26:23What's the next dream?

00:26:25Well, the next dream is to establish yourself in the league and be known as one of the best guys in the league.

00:26:30And I feel like I've got the talent to do that.

00:26:32And, you know, you're not just kind of representing yourself.

00:26:35You're representing the other guys coming through.

00:26:38And there's a lot of guys going to top college programs, you know, in America.

00:26:42And I feel like if I do well, that kind of helps their cause as well.

00:26:46And the more Irish there are in the league, then the better it is for all of us.

00:26:49And the more guys I can kick with in the offseason and have a good time with and play golf with.

00:26:53And, you know, just that's kind of what the next step is.

00:26:55But, yeah, for me, it's to become one of the best guys in the league.

00:26:58And I feel like we can do that.

00:27:00Charlie, it is an absolute pleasure to have you here.

00:27:02Thanks for coming back to see us.

00:27:03Come back and see us whenever you make it to the Super Bowl one more time.

00:27:07Charlie Smith.

00:27:08Still to come on the show, a trio of actors from three of the most watched dramas in television history.

00:27:22The O.C.'s, Misha Barton, Peaky Blinders, Charlene McKenna and Stranger Things.

00:27:26Amy Beth McNulty will be here.

00:27:28Don't go away.

00:27:28Back after these.

00:27:29Welcome back to The Lead Lead Show, where my next guest is the star of, quite simply,

00:27:57the biggest TV show on planet Earth and whose own world has become the upside down

00:28:02since her breakout performance on Netflix and with an E,

00:28:05inspiring a whole generation of actors and winning millions of followers along the way.

00:28:10Would you please welcome from Letterkenny via Hawkins, Indiana, Amy Beth McNulty.

00:28:27Welcome to the show.

00:28:32How are you doing?

00:28:32Thank you very much.

00:28:32I'm very honoured to be here.

00:28:33I'm so excited.

00:28:34We are very excited to have you.

00:28:36Huge congrats on all your success.

00:28:38Sam with the knee, Stranger Things.

00:28:41It's been a fair journey so far.

00:28:43Yeah, it's been a wild one.

00:28:44And green on up in Letterkenny.

00:28:46It has indeed.

00:28:47It's been a weird couple of years.

00:28:48It's been an amazing couple of years.

00:28:50What's it like joining a juggernaut like Stranger Things?

00:28:55Oh, it's insane.

00:28:56I feel like a little cog in this very, very massive machine that I've been a fan of since

00:29:01I first watched the show week, season one came out.

00:29:05So I've been there.

00:29:06I've been invested.

00:29:07So it was three seasons before you joined.

00:29:09So you were a proper fan of the show.

00:29:11I was watching it as a fan of the show.

00:29:12I loved it.

00:29:13And so I also got what I think would be my dream role to play in it as well,

00:29:17which would be Robin's girlfriend, which is quite nice.

00:29:19I mean, it is amazing.

00:29:21So you're playing Vicky, who's Robin's girlfriend.

00:29:25We have a little clip here.

00:29:26Yes.

00:29:27This is you in action doing your stuff.

00:29:29These are not hallucinations.

00:29:32Okay.

00:29:33So let's recap.

00:29:34There is a dark wizard who is stealing children and putting them in a dream world.

00:29:40Right.

00:29:42Vicky, the earth has split in four.

00:29:45The military has taken over our town.

00:29:48Is what I'm saying really so insane?

00:29:52Bad shit.

00:29:56I mean.

00:30:02Shows like Stranger Things, there's a lot of secrecy around the audition process.

00:30:05Did you even know that you were auditioning for it?

00:30:08No, they didn't say what it was.

00:30:10I knew.

00:30:11I was a really big fan of the show.

00:30:12Ah, okay.

00:30:13You worked it out.

00:30:13There was enough in it for me to sleep with it and be like, yeah, yeah, I understand what

00:30:17this is.

00:30:17So this would be Robin's love interest and then that would be Steve.

00:30:19And this is like, it really, I did look a bit insane, actually, now that I think about

00:30:23it.

00:30:23But I was invested.

00:30:23I knew what I was doing.

00:30:24So I think I had a bit of luck in that way because I was like, oh, I know what the show

00:30:29likes.

00:30:29I know the pacing.

00:30:30I think I have an idea of how I could do this and maybe make it look good.

00:30:35But I didn't think that I would get cast in any sort of world.

00:30:39So you sent that audition away and then just, do you forget about auditions sometimes when

00:30:44you're doing them?

00:30:45That's done?

00:30:46You say you do.

00:30:47Okay.

00:30:47You say you do, but you don't.

00:30:48I think I was saying like, oh, yeah, no, don't even remember saying that at all.

00:30:53That's not a thing that crossed my mind.

00:30:54And you're thinking about it every single night.

00:30:56And I got a call like a month and a bit later when I was in quarantine for another movie.

00:31:03So I was like a week into being alone in a house, which is already sending you a bit

00:31:07loopy.

00:31:07And I get the call and I'm like screaming, crying down the phone and lost my mind a little

00:31:12bit.

00:31:12I mean, I know it was a big deal for you.

00:31:15I know it was also a big deal for your family who supported you from.

00:31:18A very, very early age.

00:31:20It was.

00:31:21And it was one of the last auditions that your mum and dad got to see.

00:31:25Yeah.

00:31:26Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:26So my parents passed away.

00:31:28I know.

00:31:29Very sad.

00:31:29I know.

00:31:30Thank you very much.

00:31:30But it's okay.

00:31:32It was like the last audition that they knew that I did.

00:31:35So there was something quite exciting.

00:31:37I got it after quite two of them had passed away.

00:31:41But there was something quite exciting about it that I was kind of like, they said they had

00:31:44a good feeling about it and they were right.

00:31:46And that was quite nice for me.

00:31:48Because they really, really helped you.

00:31:51I mean, whenever you got Anne with a knee, they went to Canada with you?

00:31:55Yes.

00:31:56Yeah, they did.

00:31:57They did everything.

00:31:59I mean, from the age of 10, they're like driving me everywhere I need to go.

00:32:02But they moved with me to Canada, lived in Toronto with me, which is mental to do for

00:32:07anything.

00:32:08I was very, very lucky that they were retired and they were able to do that for me.

00:32:12But they really would.

00:32:13They said they would do anything for me.

00:32:14And they did.

00:32:15It was really, really kind.

00:32:16I'll always appreciate it.

00:32:20I agree.

00:32:20I was reading somewhere there were 1,800 people up for that role.

00:32:29Yeah.

00:32:30That is, like looking back on that now, because you just, you completely nailed it and made

00:32:35that your own.

00:32:36But, you know, how did it feel at the time?

00:32:38I was 14.

00:32:40Like, I don't think, I think kids are so amazing in the way that they can compartmentalize

00:32:45things.

00:32:46Because I don't think I realized what was happening.

00:32:49I don't think you do as a kid.

00:32:50You have this sort of confidence where you're just like, all right, I'll just go into it

00:32:53because I have to.

00:32:53That's enough to get you through.

00:32:55And whereas nowadays I'm, you know, standing behind the curtain before I come on here absolutely

00:32:58shaking.

00:33:00But I think that was what got me through it, is just having this childhood wonder of, well,

00:33:06it's never going to happen anyway, so I might as well have fun with it.

00:33:09But there was a childhood wonder, but there was also that childhood passion from an early

00:33:12age.

00:33:12I know you've spoken about being in Letterkenny and theatre being almost like a safe space

00:33:17for you.

00:33:18It's everything to me.

00:33:19They, I used to do a lot of stuff at Anne Green in theatre in Letterkenny.

00:33:23Shout out to those guys.

00:33:23They did everything.

00:33:24I mean, it's an amazing theatre.

00:33:25I've done stand-up up there.

00:33:27And there's some places that you go to, they're just a room.

00:33:30But that place and backstage, it really does feel like a proper community, doesn't it?

00:33:35You know what it feels like.

00:33:35There is, like, a real sense of family there.

00:33:40Like, I used to live on a farm, and so the Wi-Fi wasn't good enough to send my self-tapes.

00:33:45So I would have to go up to Anne Green and go up to the RCC behind, and they would send

00:33:49off my self-tapes for me.

00:33:51Like, that's how much of a community it is.

00:33:52Like, the fact I'm doing this now is all down to them.

00:33:55That's all thanks to them.

00:33:57They used to joke out of bed under the stage in there.

00:33:59I literally, I lived in that place.

00:34:01And it was my safe zone.

00:34:04It was my school.

00:34:04It was my learning.

00:34:05It was my family.

00:34:06It was everything.

00:34:07And so to go from sort of a, you know, a small, tight-knit bunch, you know, who are really

00:34:12on your side.

00:34:13Like, you now have, is it what, seven million followers on Instagram alone?

00:34:18What's that like with all those eyeballs?

00:34:21It's weird.

00:34:22I think, I think when I was a kid, there was a lot of community that I found in it, because

00:34:28I think I was the only child in the middle of Donegal.

00:34:31Do you know what I mean?

00:34:32I liked talking to people online and making friends and having this community and having

00:34:36access to so many places in the world, like Brazil, that I would never even think to communicate

00:34:42with people from there.

00:34:42And then I think now I have a little bit more of a fear towards it, maybe, but maybe I think

00:34:49it's protection of myself.

00:34:52And I think especially after, you know, so my family members passing away, I have a very

00:34:56big thing in my head of wanting to be in the moment, be present and be with people and

00:35:00speak face to face and eye contact.

00:35:02Because I think that's what we're here for is human connection.

00:35:06So I think sometimes I try and leave the phone aside if I can.

00:35:09Yeah.

00:35:10And just that's that world.

00:35:11Yeah.

00:35:11How much bigger and more intense did that get after Stranger Things in terms of the

00:35:17interactions and all that?

00:35:18Yeah, a lot.

00:35:19I live in London now and I remember I was, like, getting on the tube to go see a friend

00:35:24of mine and I was getting recognised, like, it was right, left and centre.

00:35:28And I didn't know what was happening.

00:35:31I was very confused.

00:35:33But it shows you, like, I mean, that show is everything to me as it is to the fans of the

00:35:38show still.

00:35:39I mean, I'm still a fan of the show.

00:35:40So I can understand.

00:35:43But also for me, it's a very strange circumstance to be in.

00:35:47It doesn't feel very real.

00:35:48I don't think.

00:35:49I know the representation is very important to you.

00:35:52Talk to me about the love story between Vicky and Robin and the reaction that you've got

00:35:58to that.

00:35:58Oh, it's everything.

00:35:59It's everything.

00:36:00I think it's funny.

00:36:02I grew up as a queer kid in Donegal.

00:36:07And I kind of had an experience of it.

00:36:09I came out online when I was, like, 16, 17, said I was bisexual.

00:36:13And we had people in my hometown going up to my parents going, oh, I'm so sorry.

00:36:18So sorry to hear about your daughter, right?

00:36:20And I'm going, right, OK.

00:36:21Fair enough.

00:36:22Nothing to apologise for.

00:36:23So it gives me more of an invigoration when I do roles like this and when I'm able to

00:36:28do things like this.

00:36:29Never mind on such a big platform as this, which is still crazy to me.

00:36:34And it's wanting to do it justice and do it right for kids like me growing up.

00:36:39I think it's important.

00:36:41And I think, especially when the queer storyline is a part of their chapter whilst they're dealing

00:36:47with monsters.

00:36:48And you are in the 80s.

00:36:49And there's all these other things going on.

00:36:50It doesn't have to be about that.

00:36:52It's just a part of it.

00:36:53And I think that's ideal.

00:36:55I like that a lot.

00:37:04There are a lot of people who are losing their tiny minds now that's strange things.

00:37:09It's over.

00:37:11I mean, but for you, I'm assuming that this is a really exciting time.

00:37:17I'm assuming there's lots of other offers.

00:37:19Can you tell us what's maybe coming?

00:37:21I can't say.

00:37:22I'm going to do that actor thing where I'm like, oh, yeah, there's so many things.

00:37:25I can't tell you anything about it.

00:37:26We will see.

00:37:27I promise.

00:37:29But, yeah, it's an exciting chapter that's closed.

00:37:31But there are things on the horizon.

00:37:33That'll be very good.

00:37:34I don't think I'm going to be winning any awards as a fortune teller for saying that.

00:37:39But I think there are more and more big things ahead for you.

00:37:42Thank you so, so much for coming to see us.

00:37:46You can see Amy Beth in Stranger Things and a behind-the-scenes documentary,

00:37:51One Last Adventure, streaming on Netflix.

00:37:55Amy Beth McNulty.

00:37:56Thank you so much.

00:38:03Amy Beth is going to be staying with us as we bring out my next guest who made her stage

00:38:08debut in New York at the age of eight and appeared in the blockbuster movies Notting Hill

00:38:13and The Sixth Sense before going on to earn international acclaim in the hit drama The O.C.

00:38:18However, despite making her name in Orange County, we are delighted to say her roots lie firmly

00:38:23in County Roscommon and County Downing.

00:38:25She'll be treading the boards in the gaiety this March.

00:38:27Would you please welcome Mishka Barton.

00:38:29Mishka, Amy Beth, Amy Beth, Amy Mishka.

00:38:49I know, it's lovely to meet you.

00:38:51I didn't say earlier, I love this.

00:38:52I love this.

00:38:53Sorry, we're girling out now.

00:38:54Oh, no, we love this.

00:38:54This is all good news.

00:38:55Are we allowed to say welcome home?

00:38:57Because I know your mum, Nuala, grew up in Roscommon and was born in Newry.

00:39:03Correct.

00:39:03And you're from Newry, right?

00:39:05I'm very close to Newry.

00:39:06Have you ever spent any time in Newry?

00:39:08I have not, but I've spent time in Roscommon.

00:39:11Okay.

00:39:11Plenty of time there.

00:39:12I'm going through Newry tonight.

00:39:15Oh, really?

00:39:15Yeah.

00:39:16And, you know, Charlie Smith is close to Newry.

00:39:18So, if you want to see the bright lights of Newry this evening, just let us know.

00:39:23Okay.

00:39:24Yeah.

00:39:25There's nothing like Friar Tux takeaway at one o'clock in the morning.

00:39:29Yeah.

00:39:30I'm just trying to imagine Mishka in Friar Tux.

00:39:34Yeah.

00:39:34What's the best way of describing this, Mishka?

00:39:36It's kind of like a mixture between KFC and the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

00:39:40Oh, wow.

00:39:41At that time of night.

00:39:42Wow.

00:39:42Okay.

00:39:43Yeah.

00:39:44I see.

00:39:45Stick with me, kid.

00:39:45Yeah, I will.

00:39:46So, Roscommon, you have spent a bit of time in there.

00:39:50No, yeah.

00:39:50Plenty of time as a kid.

00:39:51Yeah.

00:39:52And just growing up in general.

00:39:53I mean, we've got family all over.

00:39:55So, Galway, like, all over.

00:39:57So, yeah.

00:39:58Woo!

00:39:58Yes.

00:39:59Now, is that just somebody randomly in from Galway or Mishka's family?

00:40:04We don't know.

00:40:05Yeah, we don't.

00:40:05We don't know.

00:40:06No, it's funny.

00:40:07I think that's because I told them that, like, whenever I'm doing a play here,

00:40:10like, sometimes when I go to the stage door, like, because I'll randomly see somebody who's

00:40:15like, oh, I'm related to you or I know your mother and I'm like, it's very sweet.

00:40:18I mean, this is what happens.

00:40:19That's very calm.

00:40:20That happened to me in the club last time I was here.

00:40:22Really?

00:40:22I went in and they were like, oh, I'm your cousin.

00:40:24I was like, oh, lovely.

00:40:25Yeah.

00:40:25Great.

00:40:25I've never seen you before in life.

00:40:26Not even questioned it.

00:40:27No, no, you can't question it.

00:40:28We'll go with this.

00:40:28No, no, no.

00:40:29We're probably related.

00:40:30Yeah.

00:40:31Yes.

00:40:31That's how it goes.

00:40:32Yeah, yeah.

00:40:33Naturally.

00:40:34So are the Irish relatives going to be turning up at the stage door at the Gayety for...

00:40:38I hope so.

00:40:39Yeah.

00:40:39They're all invited.

00:40:40Tell us about Double Indemnity.

00:40:42Oh, I'm so excited.

00:40:44I mean, it's just a great piece of work.

00:40:47And from the James Cain, M. Cain novel to the movie, obviously, in which Barbara Samwick played

00:40:53my original character.

00:40:54But she's a femme fatale and she's just a great character.

00:40:57And you can have a lot of fun with a piece like this, you know?

00:41:01Yes.

00:41:01They're all slightly different from the play to the novel to the, you know, the movie.

00:41:06And I think we're hopefully taking the best of all of these things and putting them together

00:41:11into a very modernized, fun film noir, like what should be a great night out at the theater.

00:41:17So I'm looking forward to it.

00:41:19Because a lot of people, of course, would know you from the screen, but you actually started

00:41:22out on the stage at a very early age.

00:41:25Yeah, yeah.

00:41:25I mean, so when I was about eight, I did my first Tony Kushner play, Slavs, with Marissa

00:41:31Tomei and Joseph Wiseman.

00:41:33And then I did something with Diane Wiest, which was a very cool play, One Fleece Bear

00:41:39and something at the Lincoln Center.

00:41:41And then I just got into film and I just kind of didn't get back to theater for a very long

00:41:46time.

00:41:46But the only place I actually have worked on this tour and done a play at is The Gaiety.

00:41:51So I'm really looking forward to it.

00:41:53You're looking forward to getting back?

00:41:54I am.

00:41:55We were chatting there with Amy Beth about, you know, a huge show like Stranger Things

00:41:59changing your life.

00:42:00The O.C.

00:42:02The O.C. was such a huge show for you.

00:42:05How did that change your life?

00:42:06Yeah, massively.

00:42:08Yeah, it was just, it was a big show.

00:42:11And obviously people have very strong feelings about that character and the show in general.

00:42:17And I'm happy that people still love it to this day.

00:42:19You know, it means a lot to me.

00:42:21And yeah, yeah, it definitely was not something we saw coming.

00:42:27Like, yeah.

00:42:29We have a little clip of you in action.

00:42:31Here's a trip down memory lane.

00:42:33Okay.

00:42:34Ryan, it's me.

00:42:36What's going on?

00:42:37Where are you?

00:42:37I'm at the hotel.

00:42:38I can't really talk right now, but it's Oliver.

00:42:41He's, you were right.

00:42:42And now he won't let me leave.

00:42:43Hang up.

00:42:46Hang up the phone, please.

00:42:49Give me the phone.

00:42:50What are you doing?

00:42:51What's going on, Marissa?

00:42:53Please, give me the phone.

00:42:57Bye, Ryan.

00:42:58You're smiling looking back at that.

00:43:06Yeah, I do.

00:43:07I do.

00:43:08Because that's a funny scene too.

00:43:09I love that you chose that one.

00:43:12Yeah.

00:43:12Yeah, it's a good, it was a good time.

00:43:15You know, you say it's a good time, but there's a part of these shows which kind of take over

00:43:20your life, you know, on screen and take over your life off screen as well.

00:43:24How difficult was it to be thrust into the spotlight at that time?

00:43:27Yeah, it was crazy.

00:43:29I mean, we definitely got a lot of attention.

00:43:32Yeah.

00:43:33But again, like, you know, hindsight is 20-20.

00:43:36So when you get to look back on things over the years, I'm so happy that, like, a young

00:43:40generation gets to watch it now and actually, you know, look at it through a different lens

00:43:44and, yeah, but it was unexpected to say the least.

00:43:48Yeah.

00:43:49It's a different type of interaction now these days, Amy Beth, isn't it?

00:43:53So, I mean, you were talking about online and that ability to put the phone away.

00:43:59Yeah.

00:44:00You know, when you were in that white heat off that show, there was kind of no escape.

00:44:05Yeah, well, it was kind of before real, like, Instagram or cell phones or, like, we all

00:44:10had sidekicks and Blackberries and nobody was really kind of online.

00:44:15So I remember when they first brought Twitter to set and we were all confused and had no

00:44:20idea what that was.

00:44:21So it was nice because you actually did go down to the beach and meet up with your friends

00:44:25and hang out at the local coffee shop.

00:44:27And now I think it's very different for people.

00:44:31So, yeah.

00:44:32How do you get away from it all these days?

00:44:35How do you relax?

00:44:36I know you're a fan of Donegal.

00:44:38Is that right?

00:44:39I am.

00:44:40I do like to get in the car and drive here.

00:44:42I do like to go.

00:44:44I like to get away.

00:44:45Yeah.

00:44:45I love the countryside.

00:44:47I love to be in nature.

00:44:49You'd love to meet your relations in Donegal like Amy Beth?

00:44:51Yes.

00:44:52Not either.

00:44:52Okay, cool.

00:44:53The best place you could go.

00:44:53I would actually love that.

00:44:55Have you gone surfing?

00:44:56Not here.

00:44:57That's okay.

00:44:58Neither have I.

00:44:58We'll go.

00:44:58Okay, cool.

00:44:59I've heard it's the best place to go is in Donegal.

00:45:01Okay, this is good.

00:45:02Maybe we just say that.

00:45:04Up in Ross.

00:45:04Yes, up in Ross.

00:45:05You could go in Ross.

00:45:06It's a bit rough out there.

00:45:07I think that's kind of the point.

00:45:08Okay, yeah.

00:45:09If you're going to go for it, come in.

00:45:10I don't think they'd be happy if I didn't show up to work because we crashed ourselves on

00:45:14the rocks.

00:45:14Sorry, I shouldn't mention that on live TV.

00:45:16We won't do it and then I'll text you later.

00:45:18Exactly.

00:45:18Okay, so we've hooked this up.

00:45:20This is good news.

00:45:22You also have a birthday coming up.

00:45:25What are the plans?

00:45:26I do.

00:45:27For that.

00:45:28The big 4-0.

00:45:29I'm so excited.

00:45:30I mean, I'm going to be 40.

00:45:31I can't believe it.

00:45:32Wow, congratulations.

00:45:32I'm really, thank you.

00:45:35I'm really looking forward to it.

00:45:37I really am looking forward to it.

00:45:39This is such a big one.

00:45:40Is there a big party?

00:45:41Are we all invited?

00:45:42Everybody's invited, but unfortunately, yeah, the party might be at the theatre.

00:45:47Okay.

00:45:48I mean, or Friar Tux in Urie.

00:45:50I mean, I feel that could be a thing.

00:45:53I could see that.

00:45:54Yeah.

00:45:55We'll do multiple tiny birthdays.

00:45:57How about that?

00:45:58Never before have the words, yeah, meant the exact opposite.

00:46:03Yeah.

00:46:04Never call me about your chicken shop again.

00:46:07Yeah, I wish I could picture it.

00:46:09But anyway.

00:46:10This is quite a short run for this.

00:46:14Yes, it is.

00:46:14It's not very long.

00:46:15And so when can people catch you?

00:46:18Okay.

00:46:18I think that's great you're asking me this.

00:46:21It's at the end of the tour.

00:46:22I know it's the last city we come to is here in Dublin.

00:46:24Yes.

00:46:24And I believe it's the 25th of March.

00:46:27The 24th, I think, of March.

00:46:28Yeah.

00:46:28It runs through the 24th or the 28th.

00:46:29Correct.

00:46:30Yes.

00:46:30Okay.

00:46:31That sounds right.

00:46:31Okay.

00:46:32All good.

00:46:33As he turns and gets the real information, which is right, yes, Dublin Demnity runs from

00:46:38March the 24th through the 28th in the Gayety Theatre.

00:46:41You can see doubleindemnityplay.com for details.

00:46:47Misha and Amy Beth are going to be staying with us.

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00:48:21Still to come, we'll be talking crime and punishment with Nicola Tallent and star of Peaky Blinders

00:48:27and Bloodlands, Charlene McKenna will be here.

00:48:29Don't go away.

00:48:30Welcome back to The Lilliet Show.

00:48:54My next guest first burst onto her screens in the critically acclaimed Pure Mule.

00:48:59Since then, her stars continue to rise with standout performances in Ripper Street, Peaky

00:49:04Blinders and Bloodlands and she returns to the gaiety as Elizabeth Proctor in The Crucible

00:49:10very soon.

00:49:11Would you please welcome the Pure Monaghan that is Charlene McKenna.

00:49:14Welcome to the show, Mrs.

00:49:35Thank you for having me.

00:49:36We were just talking to Misha that she's in the gaiety.

00:49:39She's going to be stealing your dressing room.

00:49:41I think you're in February, you're in March.

00:49:43Is that right?

00:49:44Wars.

00:49:45Yes.

00:49:46I leave little surprises for you around the place.

00:49:49Oh, good.

00:49:49I'd love that.

00:49:49Under the chaise longue.

00:49:51Oh, no.

00:49:51No.

00:49:54You're going to be in The Crucible.

00:49:56Yes.

00:49:56The classic play.

00:49:57Tell us a little bit about that.

00:50:00It's just a little comedy.

00:50:02Yeah.

00:50:02No, it's quite the opposite.

00:50:04It is set in 1694 in Salem, Massachusetts and it's about, on the surface of it, it's about

00:50:12the witch trials and very, very dark time in American history where they killed a lot of

00:50:17very innocent people and it was very horrific.

00:50:20But it's really, I guess, about mass hysteria, fear, corruption, integrity.

00:50:26So nothing like America at the minute.

00:50:27Nothing like what's going on now.

00:50:28I don't know why they're putting it on.

00:50:30It has no relevance today at all.

00:50:32Yeah.

00:50:33True.

00:50:33I know.

00:50:34Sadly, it's very apt.

00:50:36It is very apt.

00:50:37There is a showbiz saying, never get your honey where you get your money.

00:50:41You have broken that.

00:50:43What do you mean?

00:50:44You have broken this rule in this play.

00:50:46Tell us who you are alongside.

00:50:48I've gone very method.

00:50:49So the guy playing John Proctor, my husband, is my husband, Adam Rothenberg.

00:50:54Great.

00:50:55Yeah.

00:50:56Don't take your work home.

00:50:58Yes.

00:50:59I did.

00:50:59I did do that.

00:51:00So how does that work?

00:51:01Nice day at work, dear?

00:51:02Oh, yes.

00:51:03I'm working with this terrible, awful guy.

00:51:06Oh, my God.

00:51:06He's cutting my lines.

00:51:08He's jumping cues.

00:51:09It's a nightmare.

00:51:10But what's it like when you get home?

00:51:12There's been some words, but actually it's mostly, I really love it.

00:51:17Like, we're walking to work with him.

00:51:18It feels really romantic.

00:51:20Aw.

00:51:20I know.

00:51:21Is that sad?

00:51:22Yeah.

00:51:22But it is.

00:51:23Like, we're just, we're just, I feel, I feel, I feel very blessed.

00:51:27I really do.

00:51:27I feel very blessed to be working with him.

00:51:29I think he's a brilliant actor, aside from being married to him.

00:51:33So that's an honor in itself.

00:51:35So it's actually lovely.

00:51:36Sometimes I'm like at work going, and you have to be all nice because everybody else is there.

00:51:42And you're like, when you get home, I'm going to talk to you.

00:51:45Yeah.

00:51:46No, I totally agree.

00:51:46Yeah.

00:51:46You have bollocks.

00:51:49Yeah, you're a bollocks.

00:51:51Because you know his game face.

00:51:54And you're like, yeah, I know.

00:51:56Okay.

00:51:57But no, it is really good.

00:51:59It doesn't work with somebody else.

00:51:59It doesn't work with me.

00:52:00Yeah.

00:52:01You love making a family affair.

00:52:03I know that the child care crisis is real.

00:52:07The last time you were in the gaiety, you had a novel way to solve this problem.

00:52:11Yeah.

00:52:11I like to keep it in the family.

00:52:12So I had my baby girl on the stage with me.

00:52:15Oh, wow.

00:52:16Of course.

00:52:17Yeah.

00:52:17I mean, theatre wages aren't great, as you know.

00:52:19Oh, I understand.

00:52:19So that solves it all.

00:52:21Just bring her on.

00:52:21So I'm thinking next play, I should do it with mommy.

00:52:24Yes.

00:52:25Yeah.

00:52:25Okay.

00:52:26Just get the whole family involved.

00:52:28And everybody comes to Dublin.

00:52:29We're great.

00:52:30No, it was so, that again was so special, because she was only like eight months at the time.

00:52:35And there was an eight-month baby in the play.

00:52:37So we're like, oh, it's just the thing.

00:52:39Get her making the money.

00:52:41Get paid.

00:52:42Get her paid.

00:52:44I took my 10%.

00:52:46And she'll never see the rest of it.

00:52:52So did baby Martha pass on this project, or is she just doing some self-tapes at the minute?

00:52:57No, she's just really reflecting on the direction she wants to go in.

00:53:01And I, yeah, no, she's not, this one was a bit heavy.

00:53:04The ferryman was quite heavy, so she was just taking, yeah, she's taking some time.

00:53:07I see what you're saying.

00:53:08Misha, you may not know this, but Charlene almost did a project with you.

00:53:14Oh, wow.

00:53:16How lucky you are.

00:53:18Nearly.

00:53:19Yes.

00:53:20Oh, my God.

00:53:21It just so happens it was one of the most embarrassing auditions of my career.

00:53:25Okay.

00:53:25I was about 20.

00:53:27Amy Beth is all in.

00:53:28She's going, tell me more.

00:53:29Make sure it's worse than Eddie is mine.

00:53:30I love public humiliation and shared mortification.

00:53:34Yeah.

00:53:34No, I was about 20, so it was about a year or two ago.

00:53:37And it was a big deal.

00:53:39It was this, it was, because I loved Misha in the O.C.

00:53:42And I was like, Misha Barton's going to be in, it's going to shoot in Italy.

00:53:45And I was, oh, so excited.

00:53:46So I went, anyway, it was a period piece, I think.

00:53:49Anyway, it was, I don't know if I was, I was some kind of, I had to do sexy dancing.

00:53:54And the scene ended with a kiss.

00:53:56And I, I thought, I'm in London.

00:53:59It's a big casting director.

00:54:00I have to go for this.

00:54:01I have to go for it.

00:54:02So I went for it.

00:54:03And I went right up to the casting director and I kissed him.

00:54:06No.

00:54:07Yeah, I did.

00:54:08And I didn't.

00:54:09Actually kissed the casting director.

00:54:10On the mouth.

00:54:11Wow.

00:54:12Yeah.

00:54:12With consent, schmin schment.

00:54:14I mean, I'm.

00:54:15That's what I meant to do.

00:54:18There was, there was nobody else there.

00:54:19I thought, yeah, I, weird, I didn't get it.

00:54:23And I've never seen him since.

00:54:24No, I actually have.

00:54:25He's a very prolific casting director.

00:54:28That's what it is.

00:54:29That's great.

00:54:29That's how I got this game.

00:54:31And my favorite is, yeah.

00:54:32That's a vibe.

00:54:33People do that.

00:54:34That's how it works.

00:54:35Yeah.

00:54:36I know that we were talking about Amy Beth, you know, on stage from an early age.

00:54:41I know you were too.

00:54:42But you also had a bit of training in the pub.

00:54:45Yes.

00:54:45I always sort of said, my family have a pub.

00:54:48Oh, wow.

00:54:49And I, I didn't go to drama school, but I worked in the pub.

00:54:52And I think anyone in rural Ireland, rural Irish pubs, just the characters you meet, everything

00:54:58that you're, like, how you're interacting, like, a quick, it's like improv.

00:55:03And just, I, I often liken it to drama school, because I was constantly sponging, just their

00:55:09idiosyncrasies.

00:55:11Yeah.

00:55:11All of, all of that.

00:55:13Yeah, you can see that.

00:55:14No, I can see that.

00:55:15I mean, it's a great place to, like, character study, isn't it?

00:55:18To character study, yeah.

00:55:18When we had some characters.

00:55:22We still do.

00:55:23Yes, in Glass Lock.

00:55:24Yeah, yeah.

00:55:25Um, so, so we've established that, uh, that Misha's probably going to move to Newry after

00:55:31I've sold her the idea tonight.

00:55:33As you, of course, it was, yes.

00:55:34Your, your American husband is now living in Monaghan.

00:55:36Yeah, yeah.

00:55:37How's he, how's he, how's he, they're flocking to us.

00:55:39Yes.

00:55:41How's he, how's he settling in?

00:55:42He's, we're there a while now, so he speaks the language now, he understands everything.

00:55:47He's sort of got his head around the constant Irish thing of just popping in.

00:55:53People just land.

00:55:54Right.

00:55:54How long are they staying?

00:55:55You never know.

00:55:56Is it a week, three, you know, minutes?

00:55:59No one knows.

00:55:59Yes.

00:56:00They're sitting, standing, and then the, the Irish goodbye.

00:56:03Yes.

00:56:03They're where you start, he was like, they start the goodbye 45 minutes before they're

00:56:07going to leave.

00:56:08Yes.

00:56:08They're like, well, we'll head on.

00:56:10And then they get up.

00:56:10Yes, yes.

00:56:10And then it goes to the end of the table, to the thing, to the hall, to the door.

00:56:14And then they might go out to the car.

00:56:16But they're back.

00:56:17And then it's, oh, okay.

00:56:18And the other was the phone calls.

00:56:20He, he'd just hang up and say bye.

00:56:22And he was like, we were like, it's just rude.

00:56:25Well, you know, when you say, in the phone call, you probably say bye.

00:56:29Yeah.

00:56:30We say bye, bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.

00:56:33Bye-bye, bye-bye.

00:56:34And he's like, oh my God, hang on.

00:56:36It's like, red button really doesn't end.

00:56:41I love that.

00:56:42So, yeah, so now he's like, yeah.

00:56:44Mm-hmm.

00:56:45Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.

00:56:47Yeah.

00:56:47Are we done?

00:56:48Yeah.

00:56:49It is, of course, awards season.

00:56:51We, we, we have to talk about Jessie and the Golden Globes.

00:56:57I know that you also work with Paul.

00:56:59Yeah, yeah.

00:57:00What was it like to see so many Irish actors up there?

00:57:03I mean, I think it's great.

00:57:05I mean, you couldn't help but, Paul and Jessie play in two of the most quintessentially famous English people.

00:57:13It was like, oh, I stayed in the back, isn't it?

00:57:16I have to say.

00:57:17But it was kind of great.

00:57:19Well, get it off your chest then if you want.

00:57:20Yeah.

00:57:21We all know what you're saying.

00:57:23No, but it is, it's so great.

00:57:25And I've always said, and I say it, but I've said it before, but a rising tide lifts all boats.

00:57:30And I just think it's great to see the talent that I think we think we've always had on such an international platform.

00:57:36It's just great.

00:57:37And it's that thing, Naomi Beth, that it really doesn't matter where you're from.

00:57:40Anything is possible if you've got the talent and the dream.

00:57:43Totally agree.

00:57:44It genuinely does not matter.

00:57:45I think it's the beauty of Irish storytellers.

00:57:47We will always find a way to tell everybody our stories.

00:57:50No matter if it is miles away, we will get there.

00:57:53There's no choice.

00:57:54Before we let you go, the big award, of course, that people may not know.

00:57:59Yes.

00:57:59That your family does hold.

00:58:02Mishy, you'll probably be impressed with this.

00:58:04The McKenna family are currently...

00:58:07Ireland's fittest family.

00:58:08There you go.

00:58:09It is, it is.

00:58:15I know, they're very fit.

00:58:17Wow.

00:58:18They're very fit.

00:58:20Were you tempted to join them or not?

00:58:22No, I was busy the day of the day.

00:58:25I think that's probably why I wasn't there.

00:58:28Yeah.

00:58:29Actually, that's what it would be.

00:58:30Yes.

00:58:30Yeah, because otherwise, you know, I'd have been right in.

00:58:33I love Mishy's just sort of piecing this together.

00:58:34You own a pub and you're Ireland's fittest family.

00:58:37I know.

00:58:38I know.

00:58:38Okay, this is, yeah.

00:58:39She's like, maybe not Newry.

00:58:40Maybe I'll stay where I am.

00:58:42Yeah.

00:58:43Yeah.

00:58:43Look, you can see Charlene in the Crucible in the Gaiety Theatre from the 9th of February

00:58:48to the 21st of March for tickets.

00:58:51Go to Ticketmaster.com.

00:58:54Bye-bye.

00:58:55Bye-bye.

00:58:56Bye-bye.

00:58:57Bye-bye.

00:58:58Bye-bye now.

00:58:58Bye-bye.

00:58:59Bye-bye.

00:59:00Bye-bye.

00:59:01We just go to the end of the show.

00:59:02Just the end of the show.

00:59:02Give it up one more time for Shawnee McKenna and Mishy's.

00:59:05Bye-bye.

00:59:05And Amy Daz-Nazi.

00:59:08Bye-bye.

00:59:09Bye-bye.

00:59:10Bye-bye.

00:59:11Bye-bye.

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01:00:16Woo-hoo!

01:00:17You're delighted with yourself.

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01:00:22My next guest racked up over 40 million streams of the group, St. Cicler was performing with

01:00:33Robbie Williams, Keane, Anne Hozier.

01:00:36She is now fresh from supporting CMAT across North America and Europe.

01:00:40We're delighted she's here tonight to take centre stage on her own, performing, I'm not

01:00:45going anywhere, it's Morgana!

01:00:47And you closed your eyes when I sang to you, and in the darkness you imagined I was turning

01:01:06on my heels.

01:01:07Your head is good when it's here, but you're still afraid of the year ahead.

01:01:19And you recently decided I'd always forget your cigarettes.

01:01:23I'm gonna hold you like baby, call me crazy, but I think that's what you need.

01:01:38You can't look at me that way all you want, I'm not going anywhere.

01:01:59I'm not going anywhere.

01:02:05You can look at me that way.

01:02:07All you want.

01:02:10I'm not going anywhere.

01:02:13You can look at me that way.

01:02:16All you want.

01:02:21I'm not going anywhere.

01:02:26That felt a lot like the end

01:02:31When you left the party at ten

01:02:34I knew

01:02:35I am nothing in the darkness

01:02:39Without you I'm just a drunk

01:02:42Your head is good but it's spinning

01:02:46You said I'm helping, don't blame me

01:02:51And you recently decided that I'm clearing out the junk

01:02:57I'm gonna hold you like a baby

01:03:02Call me crazy

01:03:06But I think that's what you need

01:03:12I'm gonna hold you like a baby

01:03:18Call me crazy

01:03:22But I think that's what you need

01:03:28You can look at me that way all you want

01:03:31I'm not going anywhere

01:03:34You can look at me that way all you want

01:03:39I'm not going anywhere

01:03:42You can look at me that way all you want

01:03:47I'm not going anywhere

01:03:49You can look at me that way all you want

01:03:55I'm not going anywhere

01:03:57You can look at me that way all you want

01:04:03I'm not going anywhere

01:04:15You can look at me that way all you want

01:04:18I'm not going anywhere

01:04:21You can look at me that way all you want

01:04:26I'm not going anywhere

01:04:29I'm gonna hold you like a baby

01:04:37Call me crazy

01:04:41But I think

01:04:44That's what you need

01:04:56There we go

01:04:57And Morgana, thank you so much

01:05:01Morgana's WEP

01:05:04Party killer is out now

01:05:07After the break, the host of Ireland's number one podcast

01:05:10Crime writer Nicola Tallon will be here

01:05:12Don't go away, back after these

01:05:14Welcome back to The Lil It Show

01:05:27My final guest tonight is the nation's most prolific crime reporter

01:05:40And as we approach the 10th anniversary of the Regency shooting

01:05:43And the 30th anniversary of Veronica Guerin's murder

01:05:46Her podcast Crime World remains the most downloaded in the country

01:05:50Here to tell us why our fascination with the underbelly of Ireland continues to grow

01:05:54Would you please welcome Nicola Tallon

01:05:57As we said in the intro Nicola, the number one podcast in Ireland

01:06:17Why are we so obsessed with crime?

01:06:21I think we kind of find it a little bit entertaining

01:06:27You know?

01:06:28And I think we like the idea of, you know, being somewhere safe where we can listen to it

01:06:33We can hear these stories

01:06:35Criminals are kind of exciting

01:06:37You've met a lot of them

01:06:39I've met quite a few of them

01:06:40And they have an interesting life

01:06:42They're risky

01:06:44And I suppose they're not doing 9 to 5 jobs like most of us

01:06:48And people like hearing about that risky stuff

01:06:51But knowing that it's a bit of separation

01:06:54I think so, yeah

01:06:56I always think we're Irish

01:06:58And I think we like a little bit of boldness

01:07:01We want to know what people are up to

01:07:03We like to be a little bit bad, not too much

01:07:06But, yeah

01:07:07So we kind of get it, I think

01:07:09And, yeah

01:07:11And we're not alone

01:07:12Like, I mean, crime across the world is a very popular genre

01:07:16I had actually no idea how popular it was until we started the podcast

01:07:22And it's just, I mean, it's flying

01:07:24Like, everybody loves to listen

01:07:26Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about gangland murders over the last few years

01:07:30I mean, there's a statistic that I find hard to believe

01:07:33There wasn't a single gun murder in Ireland last year

01:07:36Why is that?

01:07:37Well, certainly, like, not a gangland

01:07:39I'm not sure about gun murder, but not a gangland murder

01:07:41A gangland, yes

01:07:42I don't know why that was

01:07:44I mean, I know that there's a lot of hitmen locked up in prison

01:07:48You know, the fallout from the Kinahan-Hutch feud has seen quite a few prolific hit teams dismantled and put away

01:07:57Some of them have got older

01:08:00And also, there's a lot of people still remembering who are in the, you know, working in the criminal business

01:08:07Still remembering how bad it is for business to start shooting each other

01:08:12Because ultimately that brings on the heat

01:08:15And you can't do your business and you can't make the money

01:08:18So, you know, our memories are short

01:08:21You kind of touch wood when you have a year like that

01:08:24And you hope that nothing blows up

01:08:27And it could at any point

01:08:29There's loads of feuds kind of simmering

01:08:32A huge amount of arson attacks, intimidation going on

01:08:37It only just takes one bullet

01:08:39And you can kick off a feud which can result in the murder of 20 people

01:08:44It's hard to believe it's 10 years since the Regency shooting

01:08:48I know that you believe that that kind of changed everything

01:08:51Why was that?

01:08:52It certainly changed everything in regards to how we police

01:08:56I think the nation woke up to the threat of organised crime

01:09:01I think that we started as a state using gangland legislation

01:09:08There was a phrase used in a trial at one point about

01:09:12You know, there may be one finger on the trigger

01:09:16But there are many hands on the gun

01:09:18It takes quite a lot of people to organise a murder

01:09:20And we're starting to use

01:09:22We started after the Regency to use this legislation

01:09:25Which allows the courts convict people

01:09:28Who aren't necessarily pulling the trigger

01:09:30But they're involved some way

01:09:32So that has changed a lot

01:09:34And I think also we saw the exact threat of

01:09:41organised crime

01:09:43That it was terrorism

01:09:45It was narco-terrorism

01:09:47And we woke up to the fact that

01:09:49It sort of looks a little bit quaint

01:09:51The kind of stuff I was doing back in the day

01:09:53When you were following around a few characters

01:09:55And you could, you know

01:09:57You could identify them with their nicknames and stuff

01:09:59It just got very serious

01:10:01I think after the Regency

01:10:03So, you know

01:10:05At the heart of that Regency shooting

01:10:07Of course there was the Hutch family and the Kinnahans

01:10:09You read a lot about sort of it being over for the Kinnahans

01:10:13Is that overstating things?

01:10:15Well they're still one of the biggest global suppliers of cocaine

01:10:20And probably weapons in, you know

01:10:22They're still existing

01:10:24So why do we keep reading stuff like

01:10:26You know, the noose is tightening and stuff like this

01:10:28Is it or?

01:10:29Well they were dismantled in this country

01:10:31Because that's what we could do

01:10:32The Gardaí can only operate in their own jurisdiction

01:10:35And they definitely dismantled them

01:10:37They've also been dismantled in the UK

01:10:40And they are gone out of Spain

01:10:43They're just so far away

01:10:45That the end of this 10 year, you know

01:10:49Plan to dismantle them is now political

01:10:52We're now waiting for the governments really

01:10:55To come together to agree to extradition of certain people

01:10:58And is that close?

01:11:00Yeah, I mean every time that you kind of say

01:11:03It's going to happen this year

01:11:05You kind of get to another year

01:11:06And it's like

01:11:07I was told initially after the Regency

01:11:09That the plan to dismantle the Kinnaghan organisation

01:11:12Was going to be a 5 to 8 year plan

01:11:14It's a little bit like bringing in the builders

01:11:16Yeah

01:11:17I think it's now probably a 10 to 12 year plan

01:11:20But there's confidence still there

01:11:23And of course Daniel Kinnaghan's number 2

01:11:25Sean McGovern was returned

01:11:27He was extradited back to Ireland last year

01:11:29And he is now facing a murder trial

01:11:31That was very, very significant

01:11:33You know, there's only one more step now

01:11:36To the main man that has been spoken about

01:11:40By everybody for the last 10 years

01:11:43Ireland is one of the top consumers of cocaine

01:11:47In Europe, it seems to be everywhere

01:11:49Cities and villages and parishes and pubs

01:11:52I mean, why is that now, these days?

01:11:56Well there's a demand

01:11:57But there's also a supply

01:11:59And you know, it's basically everywhere

01:12:03Because people want it

01:12:05We are a very rich country

01:12:07And I find it quite intriguing

01:12:10When you speak to people working in

01:12:12Sort of addiction services

01:12:14And they talk about 70 year old people

01:12:17Coming for the, you know, to addiction services

01:12:20And they've only started taking cocaine

01:12:22In the previous few years

01:12:24So they have probably been living in rural Ireland

01:12:27Up until a certain point

01:12:28They would have had to get into a car

01:12:30Drive somewhere

01:12:31Would have felt a bit uncomfortable

01:12:32To go to seek out cocaine

01:12:34Now it's available in the loos of every pub

01:12:37You don't even actually have to go anywhere to get it

01:12:40You can ring on your phone like a pizza

01:12:42And it can be delivered to your door

01:12:44If you feel comfortable with that

01:12:45Or you can go down the road and meet somebody

01:12:48We're sort of, I think we have a little bit of

01:12:52Addiction in our blood to many substances

01:12:55We like fun, we like socialising

01:12:58And cocaine feeds into all of that

01:13:01I think also when you look at sort of rural Ireland

01:13:05There's a lot of loneliness out there

01:13:07And I think probably

01:13:08There's a lack of confidence with a lot of people

01:13:10And they get that from cocaine

01:13:12We mentioned the 10th anniversary of the Regency

01:13:14It's also the 30th anniversary of Veronica Gearn's murder

01:13:18Where are the people who are responsible for that murder now?

01:13:24So, Brian Meehan, who's the only guy who was actually convicted of the murder

01:13:29Is having day release quite a lot now at the moment

01:13:33He's in Shelton Abbey

01:13:34But he has done a very long sentence

01:13:36Longer than most life sentencers

01:13:38He will eventually be released full time

01:13:40And he will live on licence

01:13:42So that's where he is

01:13:44He's kind of actually in and out of that prison

01:13:46It's an open prison now

01:13:47Has been for a few years

01:13:49John Gilligan, who was the leader of the gang

01:13:52That were deemed responsible for the murder

01:13:55He is amazingly in Spain

01:14:00And he's pretty much like street dealing

01:14:04He's couch surfing, isn't that what they call it when you don't have a home

01:14:08He's pretty much on his knees

01:14:11And he was most recently caught in a thing called a pink cocaine factory

01:14:17So he was making synthetic

01:14:20Or he was caught up in a situation where they were making synthetic cocaine

01:14:25So he was never convicted of her murder

01:14:30But he got a very lengthy sentence on drug charges

01:14:34Was released, got shot, you know, went out to Spain eventually

01:14:38And he's like, I mean, at that hitch of your life

01:14:42It's not the place

01:14:43I think John Gilligan is the ultimate story really

01:14:46Of the boom and the bust

01:14:48You know, he was the richest, most prolific dealer in Ireland

01:14:53Before her murder

01:14:55He was taken down and taken out

01:14:57He was not untouchable

01:14:58The state actually dismantled him completely

01:15:01And now he's just scraping a living together

01:15:04You know, listening to you tonight

01:15:06It sort of feels that you take all this in your stride

01:15:10You know, do you ever fear for yourself when you're writing about this

01:15:14And trying to uncover these stories?

01:15:16No, not unless I need to

01:15:18And I don't, thankfully, need to

01:15:21Ireland's a really safe place to work as a journalist

01:15:24You get a lot of support if anything does occur

01:15:27From both the guards and really the government, the state, the politicians

01:15:31Everybody stands up and kind of wraps around you

01:15:34I think that is the legacy of Veronica Guerin

01:15:37She unfortunately lost her life doing her job

01:15:41But I think it taught all of us that, you know, nothing is out of bounds for these people

01:15:48They will, you know, pick up a gun

01:15:51They, you know, it's part of business

01:15:53Shooting someone, killing somebody

01:15:55But I think Ireland, even though it's 30 years on

01:15:59I think everybody still remembers it

01:16:01And no one ever wants something like that to happen again

01:16:04So I do feel quite safe and okay

01:16:09Well Nicola, we are sadly out of time

01:16:12Thank you so, so much for coming in

01:16:14It's always fascinating to chat to you

01:16:16Give it up one more time, Nicola Tallent

01:16:18You can get your crime fix on Nicola's podcast, Crime World, where you get your downloads

01:16:28Okay, now it's time to find out who has won our trip to Lake Garda, Venice, Verona

01:16:33Plus €5,000 in cash

01:16:35Do we have Tom O'Shea on the line from Greystones and Wicklow?

01:16:40Yes, we have indeed, yes

01:16:42Yeah, good

01:16:43Good evening

01:16:44Congratulations Tom, you're off to Lake Garda, you're off on your holidays

01:16:49Yes, that will be a second visit for us

01:16:51We were there a number of years ago

01:16:53Gorgeous place

01:16:56Well look, we're all delighted for you Tom

01:16:58Thank you very much

01:17:00We're all delighted that you managed to get that double bubble up

01:17:04No seriously, congratulations Tom, we hope you enjoy

01:17:09We are out of time

01:17:11That is Tom, our competition winner

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