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04:09It says the UN was built not to bring humanity to heaven, but to prevent humanity from hell.
04:17So it's not to have the perfect place, but in dear crisis, like we are seeing right now, for example,
04:24the war in Ukraine or the war we had in Gaza, that still the UN is delivering food, that they
04:30are rebuilding energy, that they are providing schools for children where the schools have been destroyed.
04:36Half of the children worldwide would not have been vaccinated without the UN.
04:40So there's so much more work than the obviously big, big fault that we have a blockage in the Security
04:46Council.
04:47The U.S., President Trump, I say this because they have been incredibly vocal about saying the UN has not
04:53simply solved anything over the past two years.
04:55Ukraine not fixed it in the Gulf, not doing much with Gaza.
04:59All of this criticism. Do you take it as fair or do you ultimately go, well, yes, the UN may
05:03not be working in the way that it should be,
05:05because it's not being given the tools or just simply because it's being sabotaged, not just by Russia, but also
05:10an attempt by the U.S. to make it simply not relevant anymore?
05:14If you use a veto that you cannot come to a decision in a Security Council and then you complain
05:18that you could not come to an agreement,
05:20obviously it's also the responsibility of those who are casting a veto and especially with regard to the Middle East
05:26and the situation in Gaza.
05:28It has been many times the U.S. administration casting a veto.
05:32But we have seen, and I don't want to sugarcoat anything, yeah, I see every day the shortcomings of the
05:39work here in this House.
05:41Yet my task and the role of those who believe in international law is to try even harder, even in
05:48the darkest time.
05:49And we have seen, for example, with the situation in Gaza, when a majority of member states took it in
05:54their hands,
05:54it was France and Saudi Arabia organizing the so-called two-state solution conference in September, 140 states followed, having
06:03a big debate.
06:04And this was a moment when also the U.S. administration, the current president, moved and said,
06:10OK, I invite the Gulf countries to D.C.
06:13And then he brought also resolution to the Security Council.
06:16So also with regard to the ceasefire in Gaza, it's based on a resolution on the Security Council.
06:23I believe it could have been stronger implemented if the U.N. had a bigger role in it.
06:28But they decided differently.
06:30How do you see globally, internationally the mediation role that the EU can't play?
06:36Because, again, going back to what seems to be perennial criticism, is that Europe is too slow and simply not
06:42effective enough.
06:43Is that something, when you look at it externally, that you say it's unfair, the Europeans are still playing a
06:48leading role?
06:48Or are we also becoming obsolete?
06:50Having been also a European foreign minister before, I know that Europe can move fast.
06:57When the invasion of Ukraine happened by Russia, it was over a weekend when all the EU 27 came together
07:04and put up a sanctioned package before the markets opened again.
07:09So we have seen, especially also in the European Union, that under pressure, they can be very quick and they
07:17can be very targeted.
07:18And it needs a strong European role, as it needs also a very strong African Union rule in those times,
07:25because both continents know also from their past and the suffering in the past that the multilateral order is their
07:34best protection.
07:35And compared to the whole world, 27 states, it's not the majority, but the EU, especially together with its member
07:42states, is one of the biggest donors of the UN.
07:45So, therefore, I encourage also EU partners to engage strongly in the reform process, because they have a strong influence
07:53also how we make this institution more fit for purpose and better prepared for the future.
07:58The reason why I ask about the inner workings of the EU when it comes to external action is that
08:04there is now a criticism and even a call for reform within the EU to skip unanimity and do things
08:11on a qualified majority basis.
08:13Is that something externally, based on your two opinions, your time as foreign minister and now the UN, that you
08:18can support?
08:19Qualified majority as a way to implement fast foreign policy.
08:22The debate about qualified majority voting has been there for a long time in the EU, and it was always
08:28the position of Germany to support it, also lately in the field of foreign politics, because we know also, for
08:36example, for the enlargement process, how difficult it is to enlarge also with Western Balkan states, for example, at the
08:44moment, if there has to be unanimity at every single step.
08:49So, my point of view that it's in the self-interest of the EU to be faster and stronger, and
08:56also in the interest of the United Nations, which I'm serving right now, because a strong European voice committed to
09:02international law is also strengthening the UN.
09:06But I would say in these times where things are very controversial, it should be also thought worse to say
09:14the EU is speaking on behalf of 27.
09:17However, individual member states are echoing this position to hear loud and clear that it's not only one wise, but
09:24the common voice of 27, because obviously, sometimes in debates, it really needs a majority, which might be tight, because
09:32we are not guaranteed that we have the strong majorities automatically.
09:36Look into the future of the United Nations. There is now clearly a contest to find the next Secretary General
09:42in this very complex global scenario.
09:45Also knowing what has been at times, some would argue, very personal criticism of the current Secretary General, how would
09:52you define the character, the qualities, the skills that the next Secretary General should have?
09:59I would say it's the most difficult job in the world you can have in these times, because if you
10:04have to serve 193 member states, which are an open conflict to each other, at least some of them, it's
10:10extremely hard.
10:11But it's also the most important job.
10:13And the face of the next Secretary General will also say where the United Nations is standing for, for example,
10:20serving all the 8 billion people, of which half are women.
10:23In eight decades, we never had a female Secretary General. So if you're in an institution speaking about equality and
10:31human rights, it's also a question why so far there's never been a woman being elected.
10:36You would advocate, personally advocate for a woman?
10:38Not myself personally, but member states agreed that they called strongly for the nomination of women in unanimity.
10:45And if now it's not delivering on this one, obviously, it's also a question of credibility.
10:50There's also a strong call for leadership, because in these times you need leadership, you need experience in international institutions,
10:57and you need to have the capability to build bridges in these fragmented times.
11:02Do you consider that the Board of Peace could become a challenger, a contender to the UN, or is that
11:07something that you simply do not see will be a credible rival in the future?
11:11It cannot outlast the UN.
11:13There's a good reason that at the UN, every member state, no matter how big or small, how powerful, has
11:19an equal seat at the table.
11:21And this is unique responsibility and also the unique role the UN can play.
11:27And member states made very clear, also those who joined the Board of Peace, that this is only with regard
11:32to Gaza and for any other matter on peace and security.
11:36It's for a good reason, the United Nations, where you don't have to pay because you're representing the people of
11:43your country and everybody is equal.
11:46Of course, on that echoes also the concerns of the EU, which has manifested to those legal concerns and the
11:51fees.
11:52Annalena Baerbock, thank you so much for joining us on Euronews.
11:55Thanks a lot.
11:55Have a good day.
11:58Euronews.
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