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00:00Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
00:49Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
01:00where parliamentary elections take place
01:01this Sunday. With just two days
01:04to go, the opposition TISA party
01:05is riding high in the polls.
01:07We love the latest from the ground.
01:09But first, after over 100 Israeli
01:12strikes across Lebanon this week,
01:13killing hundreds, Israel has said
01:15it will begin direct negotiations
01:18with Lebanon. This as the
01:20fragile ceasefire between the US
01:21and Iran hangs on a thread
01:23ahead of peace talks taking place in Pakistan.
01:26For more, we can bring in your news is
01:27Stefan Krobey. Stefan, good morning.
01:29Good morning, Maeve.
01:30What is the latest? Any hope for this weekend
01:32for these talks?
01:33Well, there is a little hope, Maeve,
01:35as we are approaching a make-or-break
01:37moment in this war.
01:38US Vice President J.D. Vance
01:41is expected to leave Washington
01:44later this morning.
01:45US time to fly to Islamabad,
01:47Pakistan for high-stake talks.
01:49It's actually the highest level
01:52encounter between the US and the Iranians
01:54since 1979.
01:56Vance, you may recall,
01:59the only one in Donald Trump's inner circle
02:01who was against the war from the outset.
02:04Donald Trump overnight voiced optimism
02:07about the talks in Pakistan.
02:09But then he later ramped up the threats,
02:12his threats against the Iranians,
02:14basically saying that they violated
02:17the agreement, the ceasefire agreement
02:19with Washington by not fully reopening
02:21the Strait of Hormuz.
02:22He was particularly angry
02:24after reports that Iran was charging fees
02:28to tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz,
02:31saying they better stop now.
02:34And meanwhile, what about Lebanon?
02:35We're hearing there could be talks
02:36between Israel and Lebanon.
02:38Fill us in.
02:39Well, first of all, we haven't seen
02:40any renewed airstrikes
02:41over the past few hours.
02:43That's good news.
02:44Although the Israeli Defence Forces warned
02:47residents of southern Beirut
02:49that strikes may be coming
02:51and that they better evacuate the place.
02:53Then last night, Israeli Prime Minister
02:55Benjamin Netanyahu announced
02:57that he has instructed his cabinet
02:59to open direct talks with Lebanon
03:01to disarm Hezbollah
03:03and establish peace relations
03:04between the two countries.
03:06That is an important development
03:07because until now, Israel's strategy
03:09seemed to have been something like,
03:12you know, you can't make an omelette
03:13without breaking eggs,
03:14meaning hit hard first and talk later.
03:18So now he is willing to show
03:20some restraint at least
03:22and hopefully the extension
03:24of the ceasefire will be everywhere
03:28and we see that in Lebanon too.
03:29We keep a very close eye on that,
03:31Stefan Kolbe.
03:31Thank you so much for that update.
03:33And as those talks get underway this weekend,
03:35the International Monetary Fund
03:37has warned that the Iran war
03:38will permanently upset the global economy,
03:40even if a peace deal can be reached.
03:42But now NATO Chief Mark Rutte
03:45is in Washington this week
03:46where he met with the US President Donald Trump,
03:49who has not hidden his anger
03:50against NATO allies
03:51for not intervening to help him in Iran.
03:54Let's take a listen out
03:55to how Mark Rutte described his encounter.
03:58So it was a good conversation.
03:59It was open and candid.
04:01I sensed his disappointment
04:05about the fact that he felt
04:06that too many allies were not with him.
04:08And I explained to him yesterday,
04:10I said, hey, Mr. President,
04:12clearly the overwhelming majority
04:14of Europeans have done
04:16what the US asked of him
04:18and what was previously agreed
04:20in these circumstances.
04:21Mark Rutte there speaking in DC
04:23and President Trump, of course,
04:25has threatened several times
04:26to leave the NATO allies
04:28in recent days
04:29unless the coalition intervenes
04:31to secure the Strait of Hormuz.
04:32For more,
04:33our correspondent Shona Marie
04:34now is here in the studio.
04:35Shona, good morning.
04:36Tell us,
04:37are NATO allies really under pressure
04:38here to reopen the Strait?
04:40They're under huge pressure now.
04:41Donald Trump issued an ultimatum
04:42through Mark Rutte in DC
04:44saying that NATO allies
04:45need to come up with a solution
04:46to reopening the Strait of Hormuz
04:48within days and not weeks.
04:49This was confirmed to me last night
04:51by a NATO source
04:52who said that they'll probably
04:53end up having to send vessels,
04:55maybe warships,
04:56certainly personnel,
04:56and get it open.
04:57Now, we know that around 40 countries,
05:00mainly through NATO,
05:01but also Japan,
05:02Australia,
05:03South Korea,
05:03have been working on a plan
05:05to secure it
05:06when the hostilities end
05:07because they didn't want
05:08to put their own people
05:09in harm's way.
05:10But Donald Trump is saying,
05:11no, we need that done immediately.
05:13So massive pressure.
05:14And remember,
05:14it's in the context
05:15of Donald Trump berating NATO
05:17and threatening to leave the alliance
05:19because it's really,
05:20really a very difficult moment for them.
05:21And meanwhile,
05:22you spoke exclusively to Turkey,
05:23NATO ally.
05:24You spoke to their trade minister.
05:25What did he have to say about all this?
05:27Look, Turkey's very interesting
05:28in all of this
05:28because remember,
05:29they had to intercept several,
05:30at least four ballistic missiles
05:32that went into Turkish airspace
05:34from Iran,
05:35the Iranian war.
05:35So it nearly dragged NATO
05:36into the whole conflict.
05:38Turkey is also involved
05:39in some of the negotiations
05:40and it's the second biggest army
05:42with inside NATO.
05:43And I caught up
05:44with the trade minister,
05:45Umar Bolat,
05:46and I asked him
05:47what he thought about
05:48the ceasefire in particular,
05:50whether Lebanon was involved
05:51and whether or not
05:52he thought it was going to last.
05:54If the US wants
05:58a lasting and sustainable peace
06:01in the Middle East,
06:02as Mr. Trump acclaimed
06:05after the ceasefire was set,
06:10somebody should say no
06:12to Israel
06:13and Israel's actions.
06:15Therefore,
06:16international community
06:20should rise up
06:22from now on
06:23to say no
06:24to Israel's
06:27unjust actions
06:28in the region.
06:29Now,
06:30Turkey is the second largest
06:31army in NATO,
06:32one of the most important
06:33NATO allies.
06:34Do you worry about
06:35the future of it
06:36if Donald Trump
06:37is constantly threatening
06:38to either withdraw
06:39or to stay inside
06:41but hold it to hostage
06:42in some way?
06:43I mean,
06:46politicians
06:49and leaders
06:50may have some statements
06:53depending on circumstances,
06:56timing,
06:58and place,
06:59and the incidents.
07:01However,
07:02when it comes to reality
07:05and also international politics,
07:10I'm sure that
07:11common sense
07:12will prevail
07:14and,
07:15I mean,
07:18NATO's presence
07:20as a deterring force
07:23also to keep
07:25peace and security
07:27mainly on the European continent
07:30but in the world
07:31because there is no
07:34any other deterring force
07:36like NATO
07:38in the other parts
07:39of the world.
07:40Then,
07:42member countries
07:43I'm sure
07:44will come together
07:46and agree
07:47on uniting
07:49and getting united
07:53and on strengthening
07:56NATO as a,
07:57I mean,
08:00security zone
08:03and peacemaking
08:07deterring force
08:08for the world security.
08:11Do you think,
08:11though,
08:11that NATO members
08:12have an obligation
08:14to join the US
08:16and Israel now
08:17to reopening
08:18and securing
08:19the Strait of Ormuz?
08:22So far,
08:24there have been
08:24no indications
08:26of that.
08:28It seems that
08:29NATO member countries
08:33had a stance
08:35to keep
08:38silent
08:39on the sidelines
08:40of this
08:43very
08:44critical
08:45war
08:46because
08:49no one
08:51consulted
08:52with the NATO members
08:53whether to attack
08:55Iran or not.
08:56So,
08:56it seems that
08:58the NATO member countries
08:59seemed
09:00that
09:02this would be
09:04short-lived
09:05but
09:06it didn't,
09:07it wasn't
09:09short-lived
09:09and
09:10they did not
09:12think about
09:13very,
09:16very
09:17negative
09:19reflections,
09:20effects
09:20on their economies,
09:22on the world economy
09:25and
09:27they thought
09:29that
09:29this was
09:30an operation
09:31only to be
09:33carried out
09:33for the interests
09:35of Israel,
09:36not for
09:38NATO's
09:39interests,
09:40not for
09:42the world's
09:46goodness,
09:47I would say.
09:47Do you think
09:48it's fair then
09:48that Donald Trump
09:49is asking
09:49for their help now
09:50because he's saying
09:52we're all in NATO,
09:54you have an obligation
09:54to help me
09:55because
09:56now I'm under
09:57pressure.
09:57Do you think
09:58they're obliged
09:59or are they
09:59within their rights
10:00to say
10:01we are a defensive
10:02organisation
10:03and we weren't
10:03consulted about
10:04this conflict?
10:06Yes,
10:08your question
10:09is also
10:10the answer
10:10for that.
10:15Turkey's
10:16Trade Minister
10:16there,
10:17Omer Bolat,
10:17speaking to
10:18Irish Shona Murray.
10:19And now for
10:20the view from
10:20the United Nations.
10:21your news's
10:22Maria Tadeo
10:22spoke exclusively
10:23to the President
10:24of the UN
10:25General Assembly,
10:26Annalena Baerbock,
10:27and started by
10:27asking her
10:28what the UN
10:29can say
10:29or do
10:30when a US
10:31president
10:31threatens to
10:31wipe out
10:32a whole
10:32civilisation.
10:34I made
10:35very clear
10:36from the
10:36beginning on
10:37of this war
10:37that the
10:38Charter of
10:39the United
10:39Nations
10:39is not
10:40optional,
10:41including
10:41the protection
10:42of civilian,
10:43including
10:43humanitarian
10:44law,
10:45and obviously
10:46in a situation
10:47with a nuclear
10:48threat,
10:48with severe
10:49human rights
10:50violations
10:50in Iran.
10:52There's a
10:52responsibility
10:53for the
10:53world,
10:54but within
10:55international
10:55law,
10:56and this
10:56means,
10:57first of
10:57all,
10:57protections
10:58of civilians,
10:59and therefore
11:00it was very
11:01important that
11:02there was a
11:02strong
11:04backlash
11:04against this
11:05rhetoric,
11:06which is
11:06contradicting
11:07international
11:08human rights
11:09and international
11:10law.
11:10I've got to
11:11ask you,
11:11the reason
11:11why I
11:12mentioned
11:12is the
11:12UN still
11:13capacitated
11:14to make
11:15sure that
11:15international
11:16law still
11:17applies is
11:18because we've
11:18seen much
11:19criticism over
11:20the past
11:20years suggesting
11:21that the
11:22UN is part
11:23of the
11:23problem,
11:24that the
11:24UN has not
11:25been able to
11:25adapt to
11:26new times,
11:26that the
11:27UN has not
11:27been able to
11:28resolve any
11:29major conflict
11:29over the past
11:30two years,
11:31and that it
11:31has become
11:32obsolete.
11:32Is that
11:33fair criticism?
11:34Is there a
11:34need for reform,
11:35or do you look
11:36at it and say
11:36it is ultimately
11:37being politicized?
11:39This criticism
11:39is political.
11:42Without any
11:43doubt,
11:44the UN needs
11:44a deep reform,
11:45but we're in
11:46the midst of
11:46this reform.
11:47It's called
11:47UN80.
11:48Antonio Guterres,
11:49the Secretary
11:50General,
11:50has started
11:50this process
11:51last year,
11:53meaning to
11:53make it more
11:54efficient,
11:54we have more
11:55than 40,000
11:56mandates,
11:56meaning resolution,
11:58which the UN
11:59is dealing
11:59with.
12:00Since 17
12:01years,
12:02we are trying
12:02to reform
12:03the Security
12:04Council,
12:04which has
12:05touched
12:05with the
12:05veto initiative,
12:07but unfortunately
12:08it needs
12:08the agreement
12:09also by the
12:10members of
12:11the Security
12:11Council.
12:12I always
12:13relate a bit
12:13to the
12:14national
12:15context,
12:16because for
12:17example,
12:17also in all
12:18our European
12:19countries,
12:20we have clear
12:21rules that you
12:22should not kill
12:23anybody.
12:25Unfortunately,
12:25murder still
12:26happens and
12:26nobody would
12:27say,
12:27okay,
12:28we should
12:28just get rid
12:29of the
12:29criminal code
12:30now because
12:31we could not
12:31prevent the
12:32murders,
12:33but police
12:34and the
12:35work in
12:35society has
12:36to as much
12:37to counter
12:38it.
12:39And it's
12:39the same
12:39for the
12:40United
12:40Nation.
12:41We have
12:41to do
12:42every day
12:43to be
12:43better than
12:44the day
12:45before,
12:45but we
12:46heavily
12:46depend on
12:47the member
12:48states.
12:48And if a
12:49member state
12:49starts a
12:50war of
12:50aggression,
12:51then it's
12:52not the
12:52UN failing
12:53or the
12:55charter is
12:55not clear
12:55enough that
12:56this is not
12:56allowed,
12:57but it's
12:58a member
12:58state who
12:59is in
13:00well
13:00awareness
13:00of breaching
13:01the
13:01charter,
13:02pressing
13:03this war
13:03forward.
13:04And this
13:04is why
13:05it needs
13:05the
13:05counter
13:06pressure
13:06from other
13:07member states
13:07as well.
13:08And there's
13:09a quote
13:09of one
13:10of the
13:10former
13:10secretary
13:11general,
13:11which I
13:11think is
13:12important to
13:12remember what
13:13the UN is
13:14for.
13:15It says,
13:16the UN was
13:17built not to
13:18bring humanity
13:19to heaven,
13:20but to
13:20prevent humanity
13:21from hell.
13:22Do you
13:23consider that
13:24the Board of
13:24Peace could
13:24become a
13:25challenger,
13:26a contender
13:26to the UN,
13:27or is that
13:27something that
13:28you simply do
13:29not see will
13:29be a credible
13:30rival in the
13:31future?
13:31It cannot
13:32outlast the
13:33UN.
13:35There's a
13:36good reason
13:36that at the
13:37UN,
13:37every member
13:38state,
13:38no matter
13:39how big
13:39or small,
13:40how powerful,
13:41has an
13:41equal seat
13:42at the
13:43table.
13:43And this
13:45is unique
13:45responsibility
13:46and also
13:47the unique
13:48role the
13:48UN can
13:49play.
13:49And member
13:49states
13:49made very
13:50clear,
13:50also those
13:51who joined
13:52the Board
13:52of Peace,
13:53that this
13:53is only
13:54with regard
13:54to gather
13:55and for
13:56any other
13:56matter on
13:57peace and
13:57security.
13:58It's for
13:58a good
13:58reason the
13:59United
14:00Nations,
14:01where you
14:01don't have
14:02to pay
14:02because you're
14:03representing the
14:04people of
14:05your country
14:05and everybody
14:07is equal.
14:11Annalena Baerbock
14:12there speaking
14:12to our
14:13Maria Tadeo.
14:14Now, just
14:15two sleeps to
14:16go until
14:16Hungary's
14:17parliamentary
14:17elections take
14:18place this
14:19very Sunday.
14:20And for the
14:20first time since
14:21coming into
14:21power in
14:222010,
14:23Viktor Orban
14:23faces a real
14:24opposition with
14:25the TISA party
14:26of Peter
14:27Mayer.
14:27For the
14:28latest, we
14:28can cross
14:28now over
14:29to Budapest
14:30and bring
14:30in our
14:30hungry
14:31correspondent
14:31Adam
14:32Mayer.
14:33Good
14:33morning,
14:33Adam.
14:34So it's
14:34the final
14:34push now
14:35for this
14:35campaign.
14:36Tell us,
14:37what are
14:37the contenders
14:38up to
14:38for the
14:39last couple
14:40of days?
14:43Good
14:43morning to
14:43you as
14:44well.
14:44As you
14:45mentioned,
14:45we are
14:46in the
14:46final stages
14:47of the
14:47campaign
14:47and both
14:48contenders
14:49are campaigning
14:49very heavily
14:50online at
14:51a very
14:52different pace
14:53offline.
14:53So the
14:54Prime Minister,
14:54Viktor Orban,
14:55is only going
14:56to have two
14:56campaign rallies,
14:58one tomorrow
14:58and one today,
15:00while the
15:00opposition
15:01leader,
15:01Peter Magyar,
15:02is going
15:03to have
15:0311 campaign
15:04rallies.
15:05The
15:05earliest one
15:06is starting
15:06at 9.30
15:07in the
15:07morning.
15:08So he's
15:09traveling
15:10the country
15:10and trying
15:11to get
15:12to the
15:12voters
15:13at the
15:13last minute
15:14as well.
15:14And it's
15:15also worth
15:15mentioning
15:16that this
15:17evening
15:18there is
15:18going to
15:19be a
15:19super
15:19concert,
15:20I would
15:20say,
15:20in Budapest,
15:21which will
15:22spend
15:22for more
15:22than
15:23seven
15:23hours
15:23with
15:24more
15:24than
15:2440
15:24artists
15:26performing.
15:27And the
15:28aim of
15:28this
15:29concert
15:29is to
15:30motivate
15:30opposition
15:31voters to
15:32go to
15:32the polls
15:33on Sunday.
15:34And this
15:34concert is
15:35not
15:35organized by
15:36Peter Magyar's
15:37party,
15:38the TISA party,
15:39but by an
15:40NGO,
15:40an independent
15:41NGO.
15:42So as
15:43we are
15:43approaching the
15:44final days,
15:45the pollsters
15:46are publishing
15:47their last
15:47opinion polls
15:49ahead of the
15:50elections,
15:51and we don't
15:51see big
15:52shifts,
15:52so independent
15:53pollsters
15:53still say
15:54that the
15:54opposition
15:55is leading,
15:56but many
15:56people are
15:57cautious,
15:58many people
15:58are thinking
15:59that maybe
16:00the pollsters
16:00are not
16:01right,
16:01so we
16:02are in a
16:03very intense
16:04situation,
16:05and we
16:05will have
16:05a very
16:06exciting
16:06last two
16:07days,
16:07and an
16:08exciting
16:08election
16:08night in
16:09Hungary.
16:10Absolutely,
16:11Adam Meyer,
16:12and we can
16:12see blue
16:12skies behind
16:13you there,
16:14that will
16:14spell well
16:14perhaps for
16:15voter turnout.
16:16Thank you
16:16so much
16:16there for
16:17that live
16:17broadcast
16:17from the
16:18Hungarian
16:18capital.
16:19And as
16:20you can
16:20imagine,
16:20Brussels is
16:21holding its
16:22breath ahead
16:23of these
16:23votes after
16:24a dramatic
16:25campaign that
16:26revealed close
16:27ties between
16:27Viktor Orban's
16:28government and
16:28the Kremlin.
16:29The European
16:30Commission
16:30President,
16:31Ursula von der
16:31Leyen,
16:32said yesterday
16:32through a
16:33spokesperson that
16:34she intends
16:35to raise this
16:36important issue
16:36with European
16:37leaders.
16:38For more,
16:38I'm joined
16:38now in the
16:39studio by
16:39your news
16:39editor,
16:40Maria Tadeo.
16:41Maria,
16:41just a reminder
16:42of yours,
16:42how big the
16:43stakes are here
16:44for the
16:44European Union.
16:45Well,
16:45look,
16:45this election
16:46is the
16:47big one.
16:47Talk to
16:47any diplomat,
16:48they'll tell
16:49you the
16:49Hungarian
16:49election is
16:50by far the
16:50most important
16:51and the
16:52most consequential
16:52for the
16:53European Union
16:54for all the
16:55reasons that
16:55you listed.
16:56Obviously,
16:56there's the
16:56sanctions policy
16:57at stake,
16:58the veto
16:59policy,
16:59which is
17:00driving everyone
17:00crazy within
17:01the European
17:02Council.
17:03Now the
17:03tapes coming
17:04out between
17:05the Russian
17:06foreign minister
17:06and the
17:07Hungarian
17:07foreign
17:07minister.
17:08Look,
17:08no one is
17:09shocked that
17:09these two
17:10talk,
17:10but the
17:10idea that
17:11you now
17:11have that
17:12on tape
17:12obviously
17:12has
17:13incredibly
17:14resonated
17:15across the
17:15table,
17:15and again,
17:16it feeds into
17:16this idea
17:17that we've
17:17now talked
17:18about.
17:18this is not
17:19just a
17:19political
17:20clash.
17:20This clash
17:21between
17:21Budapest
17:22and Brussels
17:22has been
17:23years in
17:23the making,
17:24but for
17:24many member
17:25states,
17:25you look at
17:25Poland,
17:26the Baltics,
17:27etc.,
17:27they say
17:28this is now
17:28a question
17:29of serious
17:30national security
17:31because of
17:31this Russian
17:33aspect into
17:34this campaign.
17:35Now,
17:35when you look
17:36at the polls,
17:36and this is
17:37where it gets
17:37relevant,
17:38Viktor Orban
17:39could lose
17:39or would lose,
17:40if you believe
17:41those polls,
17:42the Hungarian
17:42election,
17:43and that means
17:43that Peter Magyar
17:44will be and
17:45will lead the
17:45next government.
17:46Peter Magyar
17:47is not
17:48your pro-European
17:49in the classical
17:50liberal sense
17:51of the word,
17:52but it is or
17:53could be a
17:54significant shift
17:55from the current
17:56administration for
17:57two reasons.
17:57He's saying he
17:58wants to make
17:59Hungary now a
18:00fully functioning
18:01member of the EU
18:02and NATO.
18:03He also says he
18:04wants to tap into
18:05the frozen cash.
18:06This is money,
18:07both structural
18:08money for Hungary,
18:09which has been
18:09blocked now for
18:10years over
18:11concerns of rule
18:11of law,
18:12but also defense
18:13money that Hungary
18:14needs to rebuild
18:15its army.
18:16Now, to do
18:17that, something
18:18will have to
18:18change when it
18:19comes to
18:20certainly rule
18:20of law,
18:21whether that
18:21is structural,
18:22cosmetic,
18:23the degree of
18:23the change
18:24remains to be
18:25seen, but that
18:26is something
18:26that will have
18:27to change.
18:27Now, for the
18:28European Union,
18:29this has been a
18:29campaign where
18:30they have really
18:31played this very
18:32low profile.
18:33They have been
18:33very concerned
18:34that whatever
18:34they say or
18:35do could be
18:36instrumentalized
18:36on the campaign
18:38trail by the
18:38Orban side,
18:39but as it
18:40stands now,
18:40you're looking
18:41at an election
18:41that could bring
18:42change into
18:43Hungary in a way
18:44that has massive
18:45ramifications for
18:46the EU.
18:47And if not,
18:48what about if
18:48Viktor Orban does
18:49stay?
18:49Does Brussels have
18:50a plan?
18:50Look, that's a
18:51very good question
18:51because, Maeve,
18:52the polls at
18:53this stage would
18:53say, you know,
18:54there's a double
18:54digit lead.
18:55No one that I
18:56speak to in
18:57Brussels actually
18:58believes, and we'll
18:58see on Sunday,
18:59you know, maybe
18:59we'll be back
19:00here and we'll
19:00eat our words,
19:01but nobody
19:02believes that that
19:03is going to
19:03manifest in the
19:04sense that when
19:05you enter the
19:05final days of the
19:06campaign, new
19:07votes come in,
19:07you can say
19:08something in the
19:08polls, but
19:09actually when it
19:10comes to the
19:10exact day, you
19:14Orban out, and
19:15of course I
19:15could see an
19:16Orban that is
19:16perhaps lighter,
19:18but also stronger
19:18when it comes to
19:19all of the
19:20blocking points,
19:20the sanctions,
19:21the veto, etc.
19:22Okay, whatever
19:23happens of course
19:23with these
19:23elections, we
19:24will report it
19:25and Maria today
19:25you'll be live
19:26with our team
19:26in Budapest
19:27on the ground.
19:28We'll also have
19:28a special live
19:29show, rolling
19:30coverage, bringing
19:31here, right here
19:32on Europe Today
19:32Monday, so tune
19:33in for that and
19:34keep an eye on
19:35our live blogs as
19:36well online.
19:36Thank you so much
19:37though for watching,
19:38take care and
19:39stay with us here
19:39on Euro News.
19:50Thank you so much
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