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00:18Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
00:36Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
01:00Leaders also discussed the spike in energy prices due to the ongoing escalation in the Middle East and the blockage
01:06of the Strait of Hormuz, but repeated that this is not Europe's war.
01:10But speaking on Euronews' special EU summit show, Trump's former security adviser, John Bolton, begged to differ.
01:17This is Europe's war. And to say, as some European leaders have, that it's not Europe's war is simply an
01:25invitation to Donald Trump to say, OK, fine, it's not Europe's war.
01:30And, you know, Ukraine, it's not America's war.
01:33For more, we can bring in our correspondent Shona Murray, who's been following every twist and turn of the long
01:39EU summit for us.
01:41Good morning, Shona. So John Bolton there saying this is Europe's war.
01:45EU leaders say it's not. Who's right?
01:49Well, two things can be true at the same time, Maeve.
01:52I think EU leaders can objectively say that this isn't actually their war.
01:56They weren't consulted. They're not party to the conflict.
01:58They're not sending military assets to intervene on either side.
02:02They're calling for de-escalation.
02:04In fact, some of them extoll the virtues of this potential war if it were to take out the tyrannical
02:09regime in Tehran.
02:11But at the same time, Europe has to deal with this war, potentially migratory routes towards Europe.
02:16And also, moreover, the implications being the skyrocketing gas and oil prices that are definitely hitting the European economy.
02:24So problematically, it is Europe's war.
02:26Now, yesterday, we heard some European leaders, including Japan, said that they'll try to chart a way forward to securing
02:33the Strait of Ormuz,
02:34potentially diplomatically, because they ruled out sending any sort of military mission.
02:39In addition, John Bolton is also right, because if Europe decides to, let's say, condemn or criticise Donald Trump for
02:46this war and the impact it's having on them,
02:48he may decide, well, I won't be selling any more weapons to Ukraine, and I won't be supporting Ukraine from
02:53a military intelligence perspective.
02:54So they have to tread carefully.
02:56Maeve?
02:57And, Shona, yet another summit overshadowed by a Hungarian veto.
03:01And President Costa, we could see, visibly furious.
03:03Fill us in.
03:07Well, you know, we've been here before, Victor Orban.
03:09He's been in power for 16 years, and he has blocked things at EU Council level before.
03:14But this was the most confrontational and angry I've ever seen sort of EU leaders.
03:19Afterwards, people like the Swedish prime minister saying that this was full of anger, that the clashes were very bad.
03:26We had Friedrich Mertz, the German chancellor, saying that Orban was violating the very foundational principles of cooperation at EU
03:33level.
03:34Bart Deweyver, the Belgian prime minister, also making the point that he can't believe that Victor Orban endorsed this loan
03:39before Christmas,
03:40and now he's not going to execute it.
03:42As we know, the whole idea is that Victor Orban is saying he's blocking 90 billion euros for Ukraine unless
03:47the Druzhba pipeline passaging Russian oil to Slovakia-Hungary is fixed.
03:52So last night, Antonio Costa, the president of the European Council, was asked about this by our own colleague Jorge,
03:59and he responded in very strong terms, essentially accusing Orban of blackmail.
04:03The leaders take the floor to clear condemn the attitude from Victor Orban to remember that once a deal, a
04:16deal is a deal,
04:18and all the leaders need to honour their word.
04:23And nobody can blackmail the European Council.
04:26Nobody can blackmail the European Union institutions.
04:31Antonio Costa, president of the European Council there, making the point that there has to be some sort of resolution
04:36to this.
04:37But at the same time, Maeve, Victor Orban has successfully blocked this loan.
04:41There's a consensus also, Maeve, that he's in the middle of an election cycle, a general election,
04:47and he's using this as a sort of a soapbox to speak to the Hungarian voters back home,
04:51that he's a sort of a strong man that has huge control at EU level.
04:55And in that way, he'd be right. Maeve?
04:56Well, indeed, those elections, Shona, taking place on the 12th of April, what's at stake here?
05:03Well, I mean, for Victor Orban, a lot's at stake for European Union, lots at stake, particularly for Ukraine,
05:09because Victor Orban has made it his business to block not just the 90 billion euro loan,
05:13but he's also blocking the passage of the Ukraine, becoming a member of the European Union.
05:18And he spoke to our Europe Today editor, Maria Tadeo, last night,
05:23and he accused the European Union of actually meddling in the Hungarian election,
05:28saying that they're trying to push, that there's an actual policy to push him out of government.
05:32Now, remember, he is trailing in the polls, and the opposition leader, Peter Mayor,
05:35is doing very well in the rural constituencies, which are key for Victor Orban.
05:39But take a listen to that conversation last night.
05:42Here in Brussels, many of them, especially EPP, think that the only way out of this situation
05:49is that the national government lose the election, and the pre-Ukrainian government will be formed.
05:54This here is not just a hope, it's a program, may I say.
05:57Even they financed the Hungarian opposition from here.
05:59It's Ursula von der Leyen. You say they have a program.
06:02Who is the program? And would you add, Ursula von der Leyen wants you out of government?
06:06All the European institutions, including parties and the Commission,
06:11would like to have a change in Hungary of the government, and they finance it, yes.
06:15Victor Orban there, speaking to our Maria Tadeo.
06:17And before that, of course, Euronews' Shona Murray giving a very comprehensive update
06:21on that EU summit last night.
06:23And, of course, President Volodymyr Selenskyj also joined those talks via a video link
06:27to discuss the ongoing situation in his country
06:30and the fact that his country will suffer dearly without this loan.
06:33Last month, we saw the IMF had to disperse $1.5 billion to keep the country running.
06:39For more on The View from Kiev, I'm joined here in the studio
06:42by Euronews' Ukraine correspondent, that is Sasha Vakilina.
06:45So, another very tough summit for Ukraine with Antonio Kosta very, very angry,
06:50a man who's normally very mild-mannered.
06:52Indeed, and Volodymyr Zelenskyj being very, very disappointed, Maeve.
06:56This was a rare occasion when Volodymyr Zelenskyj was not here at the council himself in Brussels.
07:01He only connected, as you say, on the video link.
07:04This is not something that we're used to while covering the EU councils here.
07:09Apart from the €90 billion long, there is another step that Hungary is blocking
07:14is the new package of sanctions against Russia.
07:18So, all of that, this is an impasse that we're in now.
07:20And Viktor Orban, you know, insisted that he's not going to move anywhere,
07:25that he's not going to change his mind or have any sort of change of heart
07:29until the moment that the oil is flowing through Druzhba,
07:34the pipeline that was damaged by the Russian attack at the end of January,
07:37and which both Ukraine and the European Union promised to fix.
07:42Let's take a listen to what Viktor Orban had to say.
07:58Viktor Orban insists that the oil is blocked by Ukraine and the Ukrainians,
08:05not because of the Russian attack on the pipeline infrastructure.
08:09Now, Volodymyr Zelenskyy indeed was very disappointed when he addressed the leaders
08:15and also when he delivered his usual and traditional evening address.
08:18But he did insist that he hopes that the European leaders will find the solution
08:23and will find a way to unblock this loan for Ukraine.
08:27This is what he said.
08:32We are confident that Europe will stand by us and find a way to deliver on what has already been
08:38agreed.
08:39I would like to thank every leader who stands with us on these issues
08:42because this is a matter of protecting the lives of our people and safeguarding normality.
08:49Volodymyr Zelenskyy there.
08:50And Sasha, how will Ukraine now manage without this money?
08:54Ukraine will have to find the solution, but also the timeline is very interesting
08:58because there's not much time left now.
09:00Ukraine will be running out of money with this big financial hole looming.
09:03In just a couple of weeks, Kiev said that they might find the solution to stretch it a little bit,
09:09but not too much.
09:11Ukraine's finance minister spoke to Euro News as well during the summit.
09:16And this is what he said about Kiev's way forward.
09:21It's definitely not welcoming news from Brussels,
09:26but I think that all our counterparts and countries which support Ukraine
09:32are doing their best to secure Ukraine's financial needs for the next two years.
09:38That's why I'm confident enough that rather sooner than later
09:42we will be able to get access for this 90 billion euro.
09:45The sooner the better for Ukraine, but also for the European Union regarding delivering its promise
09:50and already the decision that has been agreed upon in December.
09:53Now, not a single decision when it comes to aid for Ukraine from the European Union is an easy one.
09:58There are always like consultations and talks and rounds and rounds of negotiations.
10:02So this is why it's specifically disappointed.
10:04Regarding the timeline, though, for Druzba pipeline,
10:08Now, it is expected to be fixed the earliest in the second half of April.
10:14Now, the question is, how much time will it take from that moment onwards for Hungary,
10:18past the elections, of course, to unblock the package and unblock that loan?
10:23It's pretty gripping. Whatever happens, of course, we will report it.
10:26Sasha Vakilina, thank you so much for that update.
10:29Now, you might remember that this EU summit was actually meant to focus on competitiveness
10:35and boosting the European economy.
10:37An EU leaders retreat in February had actually set the scene.
10:40EU leaders want to deepen the single market,
10:42make it easier for startups and scaling up across EU borders.
10:46In our special summit show last night,
10:48EU news editor Maria Tadeo spoke to the former Italian prime minister, Enrico Letta,
10:52the author of that famous paper, One Europe, One Market.
10:55It was supposed to be the European Council for competitiveness.
11:00The European leaders, they have to intervene on both sides.
11:05Immediate interventions to lower the cost of energy today,
11:09but they have to continue working on implementing the reports
11:13on how to strengthen European economy, integrating the single market,
11:18creating this plan, One Europe, One Market,
11:21that is for the next months and next years.
11:24The main problem with Trump, you know,
11:27is Trump is setting the agenda every day in a different way.
11:31The European leaders, they have to be very, very focused on their own agenda.
11:36That is fundamental.
11:37So a bit of a cold shower there from Enrico Letta,
11:40reminding EU leaders that despite the fact that their summit was derailed
11:43by ongoing crisis, in a world dominated by President Trump
11:47and geopolitical competition, Europe needs to respond fast
11:50by completing the single market, which allows, of course,
11:53the free movement of goods, capital and services and people.
11:57EU leaders also dived deep into the topic of ETS.
12:00That's a huge chunk of Brussels' climate policy
12:03that aspires to make big polluters pay.
12:06If you haven't heard of ETS, our Jakob Janos has you covered.
12:11Spring is coming to Brussels, but all your reporter hears when he goes outside is...
12:16ETS.
12:16ETS.
12:17ETS.
12:18ETS.
12:18ETS.
12:19ETS.
12:19ETS scheme.
12:21And that is because 10 EU countries are in open revolt
12:24against the bloc's flagship climate policy.
12:26But hold on, what actually is the ETS?
12:29And why is there such a massive backlash against it?
12:33ETS, so emissions trading system, is essentially Europe's carbon markets.
12:38And it works on a simple Polluter Pays principle.
12:41Heavy industries, power plants and airlines must buy allowances
12:46to cover the carbon they emit into the atmosphere.
12:49It is used for two main goals.
12:51To force companies to cut their greenhouse emissions
12:55and to push them to invest in sustainable green technologies.
12:59In the last 20 years, the ETS has slashed greenhouse gas emissions by 39%
13:04and has generated over 260 billion euros to fund clean energy.
13:10But 10 member states, including Italy, Poland and Austria,
13:14say the system is moving too fast.
13:17Italian industry minister Adolfo Urso even called the ETS a tax with a perverse effect,
13:23warning it prevents Europe from competing globally.
13:27And critics argue that with energy prices already soaring from the war in Iran,
13:32adding high carbon costs creates an existential risk for European businesses.
13:36And here is an example.
13:38The chemical sector alone reports that over 100 facilities have shut down,
13:43wiping out 75,000 jobs.
13:46And that is why Italy is pushing to suspend the system entirely.
13:50And the rest demand the EU extend free carbon allowances beyond 2034.
13:56Look, I know all of that sounds a bit technical,
13:59but one thing is clear.
14:00The energy transition is no longer just a climate goal.
14:04It has become a battle for European security and industrial survival.
14:13Jakob Jan is reporting for us there.
14:15And now to talk us through the dramatic summit yesterday
14:18that raises more questions now than answers.
14:20We're joined here on set by Hildegard Benteler,
14:23the senior German Conservative member of the European Parliament from the CDU party.
14:27Thank you so much for joining us.
14:28So quite a night there, pretty rough for Ukraine.
14:31What's the plan B now?
14:35Well, for the time being, we need more consultations now.
14:42Well, nobody expected this kind of outcome.
14:46But I think, you know, there was the offer to inspect the pipeline,
14:50maybe, you know, which was not, you know, well perceived
14:53because Slovak and Hungarian participants couldn't attend.
14:57So maybe there's another attempt, you know, to bring...
15:00So when you say nobody expected this outcome,
15:02you mean nobody expected that veto last night from the Hungarian prime minister?
15:06I think not to that extent.
15:07And so this is why we do not have yet a plan B and, you know, leaders left without, you
15:14know.
15:15And are you furious also with Viktor Orban the same way Antonio Costa was?
15:21Yes, of course.
15:22But I think it's a tactic we know.
15:25So and this is why I mean, you know, there were some difficulties at the beginning.
15:30And this is, I think, why the presidential commission reached out, you know,
15:33with this idea to inspect the pipeline.
15:35And as we know, it didn't went well.
15:36If it had gone well, maybe, you know,
15:38the outcome would have been different to accommodate.
15:42Indeed, because this should have been done months ago.
15:44Exactly.
15:44The war in the Middle East, it's entering now its 20th day.
15:47What is the EU doing to stop it?
15:49And is this Europe's war?
15:51Well, it's not from the beginning Europe's war.
15:54And Israel didn't ask, you know, for EU participation.
16:00We now see the effects, the economic effects of the war.
16:04But I would also think we need some strategic patience because we are in the third week.
16:09I expect it ongoing for two or three more weeks.
16:13But then, and this was also seen from the leaders of the Gulf, you know,
16:18they are also very furious about Iran.
16:20And I think there will be a reshaping of the Middle East.
16:23And, you know.
16:24Do you support the war?
16:25Do you support what Israel is doing, especially in Lebanon?
16:30Well, supporting is said too much.
16:33But I think it's a huge, I understand the opportunity for Israel because now to fight Hezbollah,
16:40what Lebanon leaders also want to do, the Lebanese army wants to do,
16:44it is a big opportunity to throw back Hezbollah strongly because now they lack the support of Iran.
16:55And I think, you know, this could reshape really the relations between Lebanon and Israel.
17:00And this would, you know, bring a lot of more security to Israel, which was the problem all the time.
17:06But are you concerned that one million people now are displaced in Lebanon?
17:09Sure.
17:10I mean, the war always brings displaced people with it.
17:12But we also have to remind that there are thousands of displaced Israelis in the north of Israel
17:19because they were attacked constantly for the last two years from Hezbollah.
17:23So Hezbollah took the opportunity after the attack of Hamas to attack also Israel very strongly.
17:30So this is an escalation which took place over the last two years.
17:33And I do understand that's a whole concept.
17:36It's not only throwing back Iran's nuclear and ballistic missiles,
17:39but also the immediate threat through terror organizations, which aggress Israel every day.
17:45And another big topic this week, your party celebrated 50 years with a big celebration
17:50that was overshadowed by the big scandal facing Manfred Weber, your boss,
17:54for working very closely with the far right.
17:56Should Manfred Weber resign, do you think?
17:58Oh, no.
17:59No, of course not.
18:00But we should have a very clear line regarding the ESN,
18:04because this is mainly constituted of AfD members.
18:07So we have a very clear strategy not to work with them.
18:12And we should not do this on any levels if it's true.
18:15But he did it.
18:16Yeah, but he said also it's not needed in numbers and it's not needed in content.
18:20And we should be very clear about that and show that they are not needed and have no influence on
18:24our policy.
18:25And apart from the WhatsApp group, is there more encounters taking place with the AfD?
18:28Dinners, lunches?
18:30Not that I know.
18:31And I think I'm one of those who, you know, is very much asking for a very, very strict line.
18:37And I think we should, we will discuss this in the next group meeting.
18:40And I'll be a strong supporter of keeping this very clear, clear red line.
18:44And I think it should also be acceptable for other members.
18:47But it just finally did it dampen the mood at the big party this week?
18:51Well, I mean, it's a very German issue.
18:53I think it was not reported on, you know, in other countries.
18:57So maybe that's...
18:58Well, it's being reported here on Euronews live to the world.
19:01And Ms. Bente, thank you so much for coming into us here on Europe Today on Euronews.
19:05Take care.
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