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00:00Who did he threaten and who did he harass?
00:02My whole family.
00:03He had moved out.
00:05They had a disturbance.
00:06Your daughter?
00:07Correct.
00:08Wrong.
00:09We had a few issues.
00:11He decided he wanted to leave.
00:13If they don't get along anymore, that's their business.
00:15You've got to stay out of your daughter's business.
00:17And if you don't, you're foolish.
00:19This is Judy Justice.
00:38LaToya Clemons-Mosley is suing her ex-son-in-law, Ronald Council,
00:43for the cost of diamond earrings, a computer, and harassment.
00:48Court come to order.
00:49All rise.
00:50Have a seat, please.
00:53Judge, case 4010, Clemons-Mosley v. Council.
00:57You're welcome.
00:57Ms. Mosley, that's your daughter.
01:00That's my best friend.
01:02Best friend.
01:03Your daughter is not here.
01:04My daughter is with the...
01:05Fair.
01:06She's with the defendant.
01:07Correct.
01:08Interesting.
01:09They have two children together?
01:12One.
01:12A little girl?
01:13Yes, ma'am.
01:14Your complaint alleges, I actually thought that they were not together anymore.
01:19We're not.
01:19You're not?
01:20No.
01:21Okay.
01:23Just clarifying.
01:24It is your claim that Mr. Council stole two things.
01:29The baby is a year old?
01:31One year old.
01:32You claim that you put into the baby's ears some little diamond studs to keep her recently
01:40pierced ears open.
01:42Correct.
01:42And the first thing that you claim is that the defendant took the baby, really without
01:50permission, and returned her without the earrings.
01:53Correct.
01:53So you want him to pay for the earrings.
01:55Correct.
01:56And the next thing you say is that somehow he took a computer that belonged to you.
02:03Correct.
02:03You go into a litany of things that happened between your daughter and Mr. Council, who
02:09are no longer together, but who are together.
02:12That happened a couple of years ago that caused their separation.
02:15Correct.
02:16I'm not interested in that at all.
02:18Okay.
02:18That's none of your business.
02:20Correct.
02:20Here, that has to do with your counseling your daughter or discussing it with your daughter.
02:25That has nothing to do with me.
02:27Now, at the time that the baby's ears were pierced, were your daughter and you're not married?
02:34Yes, we're married.
02:35Were your daughter and son-in-law living together?
02:39I personally don't know.
02:40Yes.
02:41Were you living together?
02:42Yes, ma'am.
02:42Who took her to have her ears pierced?
02:45Me and my wife.
02:46Okay.
02:47Do you remember when that was?
02:48I would say, geez, February?
02:53Of this year?
02:54Yes, ma'am.
02:55And did you see your granddaughter regularly?
02:57Not while they were together.
02:59And when did they separate?
03:00I want to say end of school year, maybe June.
03:04She started living with my mom.
03:06Wrong.
03:07When?
03:07April.
03:08And on what date did you put these earrings in?
03:12Your granddaughter's ears.
03:14It may have been September the 1st.
03:17Did you do that with her father's permission?
03:21No.
03:21Did you do that with?
03:22It wasn't September.
03:22Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
03:25August.
03:26Did you do it with her father's permission?
03:28No.
03:29Did you do it with her mother's permission?
03:31Yes.
03:32Okay.
03:32Is that correct?
03:33Yes, ma'am.
03:34Tell me the circumstances surrounding that.
03:37Jamisha and the baby came to my home, and I was in my room, laying in the bed.
03:41She brought the baby to see me.
03:42I was talking, playing with the baby.
03:44Jamisha was saying what she wanted to do for the baby's first birthday.
03:47Who was saying?
03:48Jamisha.
03:49Your daughter?
03:50My daughter was saying what she wanted to do for the baby's first birthday, and she
03:54wanted to take pictures with the baby.
03:56When the baby was there, she had no earrings in her ear.
03:59So I said, if you want to take pictures, let her take pictures.
04:02I reached in my jewelry box, and I said, put these in her ear.
04:05And I said, please, don't let anyone take my earrings out of her ear.
04:08She can wear them until she takes pictures, until you get her some new earrings.
04:13Okay, and?
04:14And that was, like, the first, August the 1st.
04:18Was August 1?
04:19It was maybe August 1.
04:21It was a couple days before the baby's birthday.
04:22Okay, just a second.
04:23So that was August 1st.
04:25And tell me the circumstances surrounding when your granddaughter went with her father.
04:29I was at work on a Friday.
04:32I got off from work.
04:33I came to my mom's house to see the baby.
04:36So your daughter was living with the baby at your mother's house?
04:40At my mother's home.
04:41Not your house.
04:42My mom's home.
04:43Okay.
04:44I got off from work.
04:45I came by.
04:46I asked her where the baby.
04:46They said that the father had came and taken the baby.
04:50Okay, so that day, which was on...
04:53Give me the date again.
04:55She said I took the baby.
04:57Shh.
05:00On August the 4th.
05:01Okay, so three days later, the baby went with her father.
05:05The baby went with the father.
05:06It may have been August the 2nd.
05:08Okay, you put the earrings on August 1st.
05:11I put the earrings in the ear a couple days before her birthday.
05:15So I'm...
05:15August the 1st.
05:17Yes.
05:17And then she went with her father on what day?
05:20She went with her father.
05:21It was a Friday.
05:22Do you remember the date, Mr. Counsel?
05:24Yes, ma'am.
05:25What was the date?
05:27July 15th.
05:28Well, maybe you have your days wrong.
05:29Somebody has their days wrong.
05:30It was August.
05:31It was July 15th.
05:32Well, if she put the earrings in her ears on August 1st, how could they go missing on July 15th?
05:38Exactly.
05:39Yeah, I didn't even see my daughter August 1st.
05:42Okay.
05:43You put in the earrings on August 1st.
05:45After August 1st, when was the last time that month that you saw the baby?
05:52I would say August 12th, 13th.
05:55Okay.
05:56Would you stand up?
05:57Mm-hmm.
06:00You could stand next to him.
06:02Okay.
06:02It's all right.
06:03Nothing's going to happen here.
06:04Okay.
06:09You just testified that you put the earrings in the baby on August 1st.
06:14I know it was before her birthday.
06:16No, you said you put the earrings in her ears on August 1st.
06:20I did.
06:21What does that have to do with him on July 13th?
06:23July comes before August.
06:35Latoya Clemons-Mosley claims her ex-son-in-law, Ronald Council, owes for the cost of diamond earrings, a computer,
06:43and harassment.
06:45Do you remember when your mom put the earrings in your daughter's ears?
06:49Yes.
06:49I don't recall the exact date.
06:51But it was before her birthday.
06:53Yeah, it was before her birthday.
06:54And when's her birthday?
06:55August 3rd.
06:56On August 3rd, did she have the earrings in?
06:59August 3rd, she had the earrings in.
07:01So you took pictures at her birthday party with the earrings in?
07:04Mm-hmm.
07:05Uh-huh.
07:05It's not an answer.
07:06Yes, ma'am.
07:06Okay.
07:07Would you tell me when the...
07:09I don't remember, like I said, the exact dates, but I don't know if she have the police report, but
07:17everything should be in the police report.
07:19So the date that she put the earrings in was like the same week that he came and took the
07:24baby.
07:25The earrings didn't come back with her in her ear.
07:27Can I see the police report, please?
07:37What is this police report?
07:39What does this have to do with August 2024?
07:41It may have happened in June.
07:43Maybe there's different things connected.
07:45What?
07:46It may have happened in July.
07:47There may be different reports connected.
07:48So the date that he took the baby, we called the police that date.
07:52So they put two of the same case numbers on the same one.
07:56This all has to do with incidents that occurred a year ago in 2023, not 2024.
08:02That's what this says.
08:03August 4th, 2023.
08:05Yeah, this has nothing to do with anything in this case.
08:08Would you return this to her, please?
08:13Do you see what I'm talking about, Ms. Mosley?
08:15Yes.
08:16Okay.
08:17This is the report that's attached from July.
08:19It started with July 13th.
08:20May I see it, please?
08:28So he took the child, as he said, he took the child on Saturday,
08:35on Saturday, July 13th, talking about that he had taken the baby from your mother's residence.
08:41Correct.
08:42From your mother's residence.
08:43Well, that was in July.
08:44Okay.
08:45That wasn't in August.
08:46Okay.
08:46And you just testified that you put the earrings in the baby on August 1st.
08:52I know.
08:52It was before her birthday.
08:53No.
08:54You said you put the earrings in her ears on August 1st.
08:57I did.
08:58What does that have to do with him on July 13th?
09:01July comes before August.
09:03Correct.
09:04So?
09:04The dates were mixed up.
09:06I know I put it in before her birthday.
09:07It's a lot of mixed up.
09:08Okay.
09:08It's a lot of mixed up.
09:09It is.
09:10Okay.
09:11So you're mixed up with regard to the dates.
09:13Correct.
09:14Now, it's interesting.
09:15Since they separated, have you been seeing your granddaughter?
09:19Correct.
09:19Where do you see her?
09:20At my mom's residence.
09:22Not at yours?
09:22No.
09:23Does your grandmother take care of the baby?
09:25She helped me.
09:26She helps you.
09:26You live with her?
09:27Yes, ma'am.
09:28Okay.
09:29And does your child's father come to visit her?
09:32If he called me and told me, but we haven't been talking.
09:35So the day that he took the baby, that was unexpected.
09:39That's in July.
09:40Okay.
09:40Okay.
09:41And you haven't been to court yet to determine custody of the child?
09:45We do have a custody agreement, yes.
09:47You have a custody agreement that was entered into when?
09:50What month?
09:51We got it in May.
09:52I'd like to see it.
09:54Do you have it?
09:56Do you know what it is, Mr. Counsel?
09:58Not to my knowledge.
09:59No, ma'am.
10:00You have a custody agreement that he signed?
10:02No.
10:03A lawyer gave it to us.
10:04He has to complete classes, and until he completes the classes,
10:10he's supposed to be with, like, someone in between the both of us
10:16to get the baby or see the baby.
10:18You're talking about some supervisor.
10:20Yes.
10:21Well, did a judge sign off on that agreement?
10:24Yes, ma'am. Yes.
10:24Do you remember that, Mr. Counsel?
10:26Yes, and I remember it being closed out.
10:28What's closed out?
10:29The case was closed out.
10:30What does that mean?
10:31As far as the custody.
10:31So the restraining order or whatever, it was closed out.
10:34I don't care about the restraining order.
10:36Right.
10:36That was the reason for the custody agreement.
10:38You're not following my question.
10:39If you just answered my questions, we'll be a lot better off.
10:43In July, when you, just for my own information, it has nothing to do with the earrings.
10:48When you took the baby in July from her grandmother's house, had there been a custody agreement that
10:56was made into an order by a judge where you had supervised visitation?
11:01Yes.
11:02That's an answer.
11:03Okay.
11:04So when you went to the grandmother's house...
11:07Right.
11:08...and said, I'm coming to see my daughter, and you took her, that was not authorized?
11:12Yes, I'm allowed to have her.
11:14I didn't say you weren't allowed to have her.
11:16I had a supervisor with me, my sister.
11:18Were you supposed to have had the baby for that day to visit?
11:22Yes, ma'am.
11:22You were?
11:23Yes.
11:23Is that correct?
11:25I wasn't aware.
11:26I wasn't aware.
11:28They just basically came.
11:29I didn't know anything about anyone coming, so it was like a surprise to me.
11:34You didn't arrange it with her?
11:35So the thing is that she has me blocked.
11:39I have no contact with her.
11:40So the answer is you didn't contact her?
11:42No, ma'am.
11:43I had no way to.
11:44Okay.
11:44Did you contact her grandmother?
11:46No, ma'am.
11:46So you just went to the grandmother's house?
11:49Yes, ma'am.
11:49Okay.
11:50Probably not a smart thing to do.
11:52Do you understand?
11:52Yes, ma'am.
11:53Okay.
11:54Now, you know anything about these earrings?
11:57Not really.
11:58I mean, when I went and got my daughter, I don't remember her having earrings.
12:01I mean, I was just excited to see my daughter.
12:03So we went out to candy.
12:05Well, first I went and bought her something to put on because she didn't have on any clothes.
12:09We went.
12:09I got her dressed.
12:10And then me and my sister.
12:11Well, she had clothes, but you probably took her out too quickly.
12:14I'm sure she had clothes at her mother's where she stays.
12:17Right.
12:18Okay.
12:18No.
12:19So you just took her without the clothes.
12:20Okay.
12:21Keep going.
12:22We left.
12:23We went to Candy Wonderland, and she played around a little while.
12:27When we left, I was getting ready to go, like, I pretty much had her to get her prepared
12:33for her birthday, like taking her shopping and buying things that I wanted to have her
12:36for her birthday.
12:37And earrings was one of them because the earrings that I bought for her for Easter, she had pulled
12:43them out, like, within a day.
12:44She's had, like, three pair of earrings already this year.
12:47So now the ones that she had in her ear, that would probably be the fourth pair of earrings.
12:51But, I mean, she's a one-year-old.
12:53She's a baby.
12:53Just a second.
12:54She had earrings on when you took her because you say in your answer, unless you misspoke,
13:00sir, that when you left the Candy Wonderland with your daughter, I noticed that her earrings
13:06weren't in her ears.
13:09Right.
13:09What earrings?
13:11I bought her earrings for Easter.
13:12Those earrings?
13:13Yes, ma'am.
13:14Okay.
13:15I figure she lost them.
13:16I took her to get new ones and bought her gold hoops.
13:19Correct.
13:20Okay.
13:20So the earrings that you were talking about here were the earrings that you bought her
13:24for Easter.
13:25Yes, ma'am.
13:26Then she didn't have any earrings.
13:27Oh.
13:28What kind of earrings did your husband buy his daughter for Easter?
13:32They were studs as well.
13:35Studs?
13:35No, they were hoops.
13:36No, no, no.
13:37He had shoes, yeah.
13:38No.
13:38Hoops were later, sir.
13:39No, I bought her hoops for Easter.
13:40She has two pair of hoops.
13:42Then she had studs.
13:43So we did have, like, a few pair of earrings.
13:46I don't recall which ones.
13:47I bought her earrings three times.
13:48Okay.
13:49You don't have these studs of hers, do you?
13:52No, ma'am.
13:53Okay.
13:53You have any proof that he has the studs of yours?
13:58Grandparents visit with their grandbabies because they maintain reasonable relationships
14:02with both parents, even if they're divorced.
14:05And if you don't, you're foolish.
14:18LaToya Clemens-Mosley is accusing her ex-son-in-law, Ronald Council, of stealing diamond earrings
14:25and a computer.
14:26She also claims Ronald threatened her and her family.
14:30You don't have these studs of hers, do you?
14:33No, ma'am.
14:33Okay.
14:34You have any proof that he has the studs of yours?
14:36No.
14:37No, I don't.
14:37No.
14:38I didn't think so.
14:39Okay.
14:40So a one-year-old either took out the studs before or after or whatever.
14:43I had no sense whatsoever that he stole your studs that you put in a one-year-old.
14:48Now, let's move on to the next thing.
14:49What is this computer nonsense you're talking about?
14:52My daughter and Bronna was living together.
14:55He had moved out.
14:57They had a disturbance, whatever, which caused her to go on labor.
15:00She went into early labor.
15:02What's the computer?
15:03Get to the computer.
15:04The laptop was at her home when she went in labor.
15:07When did you give your daughter the computer?
15:09The laptop was at Jamisha's home because my son, my oldest son, was spending the night
15:15with her.
15:16I did not give Jamisha a laptop.
15:18Okay.
15:19My son was at Jamisha's home with a laptop.
15:22Okay.
15:23How old is your son?
15:24My son at the time was 19.
15:26He's an adult.
15:27So that was his laptop.
15:29It was my laptop.
15:30Well, you say it was your laptop, but it was in your 19-year-old son's possession.
15:34It was.
15:35He was visiting your sister.
15:36Correct.
15:36Does your mother have a laptop?
15:38Yes, ma'am.
15:39Does your brother have a laptop?
15:41I guess they share it.
15:42They have a family laptop.
15:44When your brother came to your house, which she's talking about, this is a year ago.
15:49Uh-huh.
15:49Because she was talking about when the baby was born.
15:51Okay.
15:52So it's a year and months ago.
15:53Do you remember your brother leaving a laptop in your house?
15:56I left him there, so he just, he dropped me off to the hospital.
16:00I don't remember what all he had, but he did have a bag with a few things in it.
16:04Cool.
16:04My brother.
16:06Okay.
16:06Do you know anything about your husband taking a laptop?
16:10My husband took everything we had in the house.
16:13The day I went in the hospital, we had a few issues.
16:16He decided he wanted to leave.
16:17He took everything out the house, so his stuff...
16:20Was that including the laptop?
16:22Everything out the house.
16:23I asked you, was the laptop in the house when you went into labor?
16:27Yes, it was...
16:28Just a second.
16:28Yes, ma'am.
16:29It's really interesting.
16:30Your brother came to visit you the day before.
16:32Yes.
16:32You say he and his mother share a laptop, so why, when he left, didn't he take his laptop?
16:37Because he never left my house.
16:38When I was in the hospital, my brother was still at my house.
16:41I let him stay in the house.
16:43Oh.
16:43Oh, fine.
16:44Yes.
16:45Did you take the laptop from the house?
16:47No, ma'am.
16:47Do you have any proof he took the laptop from your house?
16:50Well, I have proof that he took everything from the house.
16:52I did not ask you about everything.
16:53Not the laptop.
16:54No.
16:55He says he didn't take it.
16:56Your son was home with all of his stuff, including his laptop, when she went to the hospital.
17:02Who took you to the hospital?
17:03My brother dropped me off.
17:06Just a second.
17:07Just a second.
17:07Yes.
17:08Your brother dropped you off at the hospital?
17:10Yes, ma'am.
17:10Okay.
17:11And then he went back to your house?
17:12Yes.
17:13And he was going to stay in your house?
17:15Yes.
17:15My husband decided he didn't want to be there anymore.
17:18You told me that already?
17:19Yes.
17:19You told me that already?
17:20All right.
17:20So I have two nonsense things.
17:22I have a little set of studs for a year old and a laptop that is either owned by you
17:27or owned by your son.
17:29And neither one of you have proof that he took it.
17:32He says he didn't.
17:33I have proof that he took everything out the home, and the police did not allow my son to go
17:38back in there to retrieve his items.
17:40Just if that doesn't say he took...
17:42It doesn't.
17:42I'm going to read that if it specifically refers to a computer.
17:46It does not.
17:47It does not.
17:48I didn't think so.
17:49Anything else?
17:50Threats, punitive damages for threats and harassment.
17:54Who did he threaten and who did he harass?
17:56My whole family.
17:57No, I'm not interested in your whole family.
17:59I'm interested in you.
18:00You're the plaintiff.
18:01Me and my family.
18:01I'm not interested in your family.
18:03Tell me how he threatened and harassed you.
18:07When, specific date, time, place.
18:11August 3rd, 2023.
18:12Just a second.
18:13August 3rd, what time?
18:14When we were at the home.
18:16What home?
18:16I'm not sure of the time.
18:18At whose home?
18:19August 3rd.
18:20My daughter's, what day was the baby on?
18:22Definitely, she was born on the 3rd.
18:24August 3rd.
18:25Are you talking August 3rd of 2023?
18:28I'm not interested in anything that happened August 3rd, 2023, madam.
18:31You've got to stay out of your daughter's business.
18:34Stay out of her business.
18:35Okay.
18:35Because if you don't stay out of her business, what's going to happen is, and I can see that
18:39you adore this little grandbaby.
18:40Is it your first grandchild?
18:42No.
18:43Okay.
18:43But I can see you adore her.
18:45Because what's going to happen is if you interfere with two people, unfortunately, in this country,
18:50grandparents do not have any legal right, absence, severe circumstance, to have custody
18:56of or visit with their grandchildren.
18:58That's the law.
19:00And so grandparents visit with their grandbabies because they maintain reasonable relationships
19:05with both parents, even if they're divorced.
19:08And if you don't, you're foolish.
19:10If you don't, you're foolish.
19:12If they don't get along anymore, that's their business.
19:14They created a baby.
19:16You would like to be in the baby's life.
19:17It's ridiculous for you to sue him over nonsense.
19:21Stay out of their business.
19:23We're done.
19:24This court is adjourned.
19:31It had nothing to do with about visiting the baby.
19:33It was about earrings that my husband bought me.
19:35I believe she made the right choice.
19:37I mean, just like she said, you got to stay out of people's business.
19:40They were having issues of their own.
19:42I wasn't here for their issues.
19:44I was here regarding my items.
19:46You know, I mean, all of this situation is pretty much from other people in our business.
19:50We married.
19:51Let us handle our household.
19:52I just wanted my earrings back.
19:54I got a daughter.
19:55What am I going to steal from my daughter for?
19:56I mean, I'll steal from my wife if that's the case.
19:59Me and my daughter's relationship is getting better now that they're separated.
20:02Try to be mutual.
20:03I love them both.
20:04You know, I just don't know.
20:07So I know it wasn't the main point of the case that the plaintiff grandmother having issues with seeing her
20:13grandchild.
20:14But I think that was the biggest takeaway from the whole case is that is it worth risking your ability
20:19to see a grandchild?
20:21Because as you said, grandparents don't have legal rights to visitation unless very strict circumstances are met.
20:26So is it worth the $1,000 or $2,000 for earrings and a laptop that you have no proof
20:33that he actually took in the first place?
20:36I probably didn't.
20:36And probably didn't.
20:37He did not strike me as the kind that would do that.
20:40He seems more like the type that just wanted out of the situation.
20:43Not the type that would be spiteful and take earrings and a laptop on the way out.
20:48But even so, she had no proof of either.
20:51And it is a big risk if you already have an acrimonious relationship with a son-in-law or an
20:56ex-son-in-law who's the parent of your grandchild.
20:59I would probably just eat that for, you know, just to keep the relationship in order to maintain my relationship
21:07with a grandchild.
21:07Yeah, and we know family, we have a big family, so we know how important that is to keep it
21:14all open.
21:15What I found interesting was even though they are divorcing, she still sat on that side of the table.
21:23Sure.
21:23And seeing that, grandma should realize whatever it is, you want to see that little girl, don't get involved with
21:34their domestic stuff.
21:36Just not smart.
21:38Are you having a family dispute?
21:40Go to judyjustice.tv
22:10We'll have aisés.
22:11We'll have a genetic error.
22:11Doesn't matter.
22:15Let's see that.
22:16Let's see.
22:18Let's see.
22:18You
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