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00:0030 years of friendship.
00:01You, ma'am, were a bridesmaid in her wedding.
00:04You claim she stole from you.
00:06She went into my purse.
00:08No.
00:09You knew she was in the hospital, right?
00:11See, she's crying.
00:12I was there for her, but she didn't tell me.
00:14Why would she steal from you?
00:16Who are we supposed to believe?
00:18Now on Tribunal Justice.
00:42Today's case was filed in Cincinnati, Ohio.
00:45Yeah, this is case number 3002 on the calendar in the matter of Johnson versus Baldwin.
00:51Thank you, Bird.
00:52You're welcome, Judge.
00:53Parties have been sworn in.
00:54You may be seated.
00:55Ms. Johnson and Ms. Baldwin.
00:5830 years of friendship between the two of you.
01:00Your kids went to homecoming together.
01:02You, ma'am, were a bridesmaid in her wedding.
01:05You were family.
01:06Yes.
01:06Are you still married?
01:07No.
01:08Well, at least you had a lovely bridesmaid at some point.
01:13Yes, ma'am.
01:14So then you had this great idea to take a trip together, and you were going to go to a
01:18music
01:18festival.
01:19And then you, ma'am, Ms. Baldwin, you paid the plaintiff your portion of the music festival
01:25in cash.
01:26You wrote a check to the festival promoters, and it was a disaster.
01:31Because the night before, the festival was canceled.
01:34So that is the mess that the two of you found yourselves in.
01:38Yes.
01:39But the hotel offered discounted rooms, since it seems like you all really got short shrift
01:45by this original promoter.
01:47So you decide you are going to take the trip.
01:49Yes.
01:50Because that trip, too, was a disaster, and that's why the two of you are in court today.
01:54Yes, ma'am.
01:55Ms. Johnson, you are suing the defendant for $1,035.
01:58You say that she didn't pay for her half of the hotel, that you had to pay for tips.
02:04You loaned her some money because she didn't have spending money on the trip.
02:07And then you further allege that she actually stole money from you.
02:11Yes, she did.
02:12Ms. Baldwin, you say that you had no obligation to repay some of these funds because the core
02:19part of your defense is that you'd already paid her for the festival.
02:23Yes, ma'am.
02:24And that she had some obligation to try to get that money back, which included your money.
02:29And then you would pay her for trip number two, the makeup trip.
02:33Yes, ma'am.
02:33After anything was left over.
02:35Yes, ma'am.
02:35Let's talk about what happens after you decide to take the trip.
02:40Who was paying for what?
02:41Well, I called her once because I got the emails on the canceled trip.
02:46And I called her and said, they've canceled the trip on us at the last minute.
02:50And we've already paid for our airline tickets and everything.
02:54But they wouldn't give us any reasons or talking about giving us our money back.
02:59So I called down to the Hard Rock and they offered us to come down at a lower rate because
03:04they said it
03:05was a lot of people in the same and they they had booked out.
03:08And they were trying to accommodate.
03:09Yeah, and they were really nice about it.
03:11And so I called Debbie and I said, look, they're offering us to come down.
03:15And it's like a little over 700 or so apiece by the time all the fees are added in.
03:20And she said she still wanted to go.
03:22I said, well, what I'll do is I'll go ahead and I'll I'll prepay.
03:27But you have to pay me back just like you paid on the other trip like you did.
03:32You can pay me in increments.
03:34So I said, OK, Ms. Baldwin, I would like you to tell the court what was your understanding
03:40of how you were going to fulfill your payment obligation?
03:42First off, I thought she put the first trip on her credit card.
03:46That's what she was telling me because we supposed to paid insurance on the credit card.
03:50So I'm thinking we'll get something back off our first trip that we paid for.
03:54And I'm thinking that we'll cover my.
03:57So you're thinking that she's going to get some money back by disputing.
04:01Right.
04:02That on her credit card.
04:03Horrible experience that you were going to get your portion back.
04:06And then you would apply that toward the second part of the trip.
04:09But you paid by check.
04:11We have evidence that you paid by check.
04:12And I paid by check.
04:13She knew I paid by check.
04:15Hey, hey, hey.
04:15OK.
04:16What I really want to know is did you make any effort with your bank to try to recover those
04:21funds?
04:21Yes, I did. I called them. They don't reimburse on checks like they do on credit cards.
04:26There was no reimbursement for me to get from my bank.
04:28So now we're on trip two and you say it's a disaster because she keeps bumming money from you.
04:33You had to pay for the tips for the wheelchair.
04:37Yes.
04:37Did you guys both agree that you needed wheelchairs?
04:39Yes.
04:39But you tipped.
04:41I tipped too.
04:42She tipped.
04:42So this is your burden of proof is that you spent this money on tips.
04:47I didn't see evidence of that tip money.
04:49But you knew she was on a tighter budget.
04:50We established that at the outset.
04:52That's why you said she could pay in installments.
04:54You knew that cash was a little tight.
04:56And then another part of your lawsuit is the $75 loan.
04:59Did you borrow some money from her?
05:01And I paid her back the 27th of January because I got paid.
05:04I got it on my phone.
05:05So she says that she paid you back.
05:08I got paid that week.
05:09I don't know that I saw evidence of that extra money.
05:12But let me just keep it moving.
05:14Because I think the most serious allegation is that you claim she stole from you.
05:19Now, why would she steal from you?
05:21Because she kept trying to borrow money.
05:23And I refused to give her any money because she kept going.
05:26She went to the casino with the first money I gave her.
05:28And I told her not to do that because stuff had to be paid for.
05:31And if you're on a trip with no money,
05:33why would you go to the casino and spend the money that somebody gave you?
05:37Did you go to the casino?
05:38No.
05:39It wasn't really no casino there yet.
05:41I'm also going to tell you, candidly, Ms. Johnson, your evidence of the theft is that
05:45she said she had no money and then she had some money.
05:48That's not the strongest case of theft.
05:50And now what really seems to be animating your lawsuit and your anger is something you said in
05:56your complaint, that you were diagnosed with kidney cancer.
05:59And you said, what hurt me was that Debbie never, all in caps, never came to check on me
06:06while I was in the hospital.
06:07Never.
06:08This was my friend of 30 years.
06:10I would have been there for her.
06:12When my health recovered, our friendship just wasn't the same.
06:16I was more hurt because I had been there for her.
06:19I was there for her.
06:20I didn't know she had this type of cancer.
06:22I knew she had surgery, but she didn't tell me.
06:25Well, now you know.
06:26Yes, now I know.
06:27Now you never told her that.
06:27Judge Domingo?
06:28You knew she was in the hospital, right?
06:30Yes.
06:31How come you didn't go?
06:32She told me she went to the hospital.
06:33How come you didn't go?
06:34I didn't go because I didn't feel she needed.
06:36I'm not a hospital person and she said she would be all right.
06:39I didn't know she had this type of cancer.
06:41How long were you in the hospital for?
06:43Eleven days.
06:44Eleven days.
06:44I see more your position that you would expect a good friend to show up.
06:49Clearly, see, she's crying.
06:53Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
06:55Your Honor, she told me she is not going to pay me my money to take her down.
07:00I look at the two of you.
07:01I'm going to do this because it's actually funny.
07:03I'm going to do this because I'm going to do this because I'm not going to pay me my money
07:03to take her down.
07:08Natalie Johnson is suing lifelong friend Debbie Baldwin for $1,035, half the cost of their vacation.
07:16But Debbie claims an earlier vacation was canceled, then refunded to Natalie.
07:20Now her friend is trying to double dip.
07:23How long were you in the hospital for?
07:25Eleven days.
07:26Eleven days.
07:27I see more your position that you would expect a good friend to show up.
07:31Clearly, see, she's crying.
07:33You know why she's crying?
07:34Yes, because she hurt.
07:36Like I said, I called her when she came home.
07:38And like I said, I did not know she had this.
07:41I worked.
07:41But the bottom line is, you're now here in a lawsuit that somehow has come from this hurt, this sadness.
07:49And we're here.
07:50So I want to clear up something for me because I was kind of confused.
07:53You know, you both were saying a couple of things that were a little bit different.
07:55You pay for this first trip.
07:57You pay by check.
07:58And nobody disputes the amount that you paid and that you were paid in full.
08:01You were going to go for three nights and four days.
08:04Is that it?
08:05Yes, ma'am.
08:05Right?
08:06Now, when you spoke to the hotel and they said that you were going to get a deal from them,
08:09I know they charged you another $700 a person, right?
08:12What was that for?
08:13Another day?
08:14Did you get a discount rate because of the concert?
08:17Because the concert ripped us off.
08:18They offered us a discount rate to come on.
08:21So we had to double pay for the room.
08:22Okay, so you paid.
08:23She told me I owed her $1,400 and that's why I didn't understand.
08:28I get it that you would think that she could get reimbursed.
08:31But I would imagine, as we've all said, that that's if she paid by credit card.
08:35Now, you paid tips, you know, using the wheelchairs and that's appropriate to do.
08:40But I heard you say you paid a tip too.
08:42I gave my wheelchair a person.
08:44But I don't believe that either.
08:45You know why?
08:46Because in all of these things here, you never once said, why should I pay the tips she gave when
08:51I gave tips too?
08:52I think you were shooting from the hip in this courtroom on that one.
08:55I gave her my person that drove me tip.
08:58I'm just telling you my feeling, you know, doesn't make you a bad person, makes you a tipless person.
09:04Okay, so we're back to you.
09:05So now they tell you an extra $700 a person, because your airfare, which was $500 each, was non-refundable.
09:11Right.
09:11That was non-refundable.
09:13Right, so you're either out everything and the $500, or you lay out another $700 for what could have been
09:20a real terrific trip.
09:21Yes.
09:22So I think that your first hotel was $12.50 a person, plus the $700 for the additional charge and
09:29the $500 for the airfare.
09:31So you would have been out of pocket $24.50 when all was said and done.
09:35I added up $21.50.
09:36What do you do for a living, ma'am?
09:37I'm retired now.
09:38What were you doing before you retired?
09:40I was a caregiver for over 40 years.
09:42And ma'am, what did you do for a living, ma'am?
09:44My STNA for America Home Care.
09:46You also worked for Home Care?
09:47Yes, ma'am.
09:48I paid 13 years.
09:49You mentioned you're still working, is that correct?
09:51Yes, ma'am.
09:51So you were both relatively comfortable to take a trip for $2,400.
09:56Yes, ma'am.
09:56So what the heck are you doing here?
09:58I don't know.
09:58Come on.
09:59We're here because she don't want to give me my money and she keeps cutting me out.
10:02You owe her $700.
10:02$700.
10:03Why not?
10:04Why don't you owe her $700?
10:05She just told me $1,100.
10:07I was going to make arrangements to pay her.
10:09But you didn't give her anything.
10:10You didn't even say, look, I know I owe you $700.
10:12I'm not going to give you the rest.
10:14Here's a little bit.
10:15And then go to the hospital.
10:16You wouldn't be here.
10:17Your Honor, she told me she is not going to pay me my money to take her down.
10:21I look at the two of you.
10:23I'm going to do this because it's actually funny.
10:24Because I'm thinking she would recoup money off her credit card.
10:27I didn't know she did check.
10:29I told her I didn't.
10:30Ladies, I'm going to pass this over to Judge Levy,
10:32who also has some very interesting questions for both of you.
10:36I don't know about that.
10:38I'm going to start with this $50 theft.
10:42So, Ms. Johnson, you remember going to a small claims court in Hamilton County
10:46Municipal Court, Cincinnati, Ohio, right?
10:48And you went there to file a small claims action, correct?
10:51Yeah.
10:52And you did that against your friend of 30-plus years, right?
10:55Mm-hmm.
10:56You put in that form the truth that she stole from you.
11:00Okay.
11:01You did, right?
11:02I don't remember what that form says.
11:05I filled it out a couple months ago.
11:07I got it right here, too.
11:08Thank you, Cassandra.
11:09You're welcome.
11:10You're welcome.
11:10You are Natalie L. Johnson, correct?
11:13Yep.
11:13You're suing the defendant for $1,100, prepaid for a trip to Punta Cana.
11:18She got wheelchair service.
11:20I paid for, and she borrowed $50.
11:26Okay.
11:27What do you mean, okay?
11:28You came in here today, swore to tell the truth, and told us that she stole $50 from me.
11:33She did steal $50.
11:34Where in this document does it say that?
11:36I didn't put that on there.
11:38And the fact that you clearly came in here and told us something that was materially different from what you
11:45told the Hamilton County judge in your small claims action does not bode well for you.
11:50You understand that, right?
11:52Mm-hmm.
11:52Good.
11:53Let's go through the actual price of the hotel.
11:56It was $700, right?
11:58It was more than that.
12:01No, this is your complaint.
12:02It was $1,400.
12:03I said the rooms would be about $700 each.
12:06But that didn't count all of the fees.
12:09They added all these international fees on to our room.
12:12This is plaintiff's exhibit number four, right?
12:15Credit.
12:16This is the hard rock.
12:17Yeah, that's the hard rock.
12:18Ain't no fees there.
12:19The entire bill was $1,094.70, right?
12:22They don't put them on the hotel fees because they don't go to the hotel.
12:26Their fees for the Dominican, we have to pay.
12:29Understand something.
12:29Understand something very clearly.
12:32I don't care about that.
12:33All I care about is what you swore to under the penalties of perjury in your complaint to us.
12:41Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
12:43Once a snake shows you there are snakes, you have to believe them.
12:46Oh, you see how to start.
12:53Natalie Johnson is suing her friend of 30 years, Debbie Baldwin, for the balance owed on a vacation, $1,035.
13:00But Debbie claims she paid Natalie for an earlier vacation that was canceled and refunded to her friend.
13:06So she owes nothing.
13:09You said that the hotel fees were $1,400 and she owed you seven.
13:15We look at this.
13:16This is your evidence.
13:17And it says the amount that was charged was $1,094.70, which, by the way, you paid via a
13:26credit card, a MasterCard.
13:28Not cash.
13:29In your complaint that you gave us under the penalties of perjury, you said it was cash.
13:35You now say it's a mistake the same way that you said it was a mistake when you told the
13:40judge in Hamilton County that she borrowed the money and she didn't steal the money.
13:44No, that's two different transactions.
13:45Who are we supposed to believe?
13:46She bought, I loaned her money in the airport, but at the hotel, she went into my purse.
13:54That was two different actions.
13:56It was not the same action.
13:58No, no, no.
13:58Why didn't you then include that in the Hamilton County case?
14:01Because I'm trying to, Debbie, Debbie is like a sister to me.
14:07So what changed between Hamilton County when you didn't want to bring it up and here when you did want
14:12to bring it up?
14:13Because she's been cursing me out and stuff, and I tried to talk to her about it, and I'm like,
14:18Debbie, all I do, we would not even be here if she would have just made a payment plan.
14:22And I would have let all of this go.
14:24I wouldn't even came out here.
14:26I wouldn't have went to Hamilton County.
14:27How was it that you sent them a check, by the way, as opposed to just putting it on your
14:32debit or on your credit card?
14:33Because they offered us a discount if we paid by check.
14:36What?
14:37First time we're hearing about a discount now.
14:38The discount was done before.
14:41It still cost us $2,600, but they took off.
14:43Did she tell you about a discount, Ms. Baldwin?
14:45No.
14:46No, she did not.
14:46I just found out because I did invest it.
14:48We're all finding out for the very first time now.
14:51You chose to send him a check and thereby took away the protection that she could have had for her
14:56money?
14:57She agreed to it.
14:57I won't understand.
14:58Is that correct?
14:58She agreed to it.
14:59Show me proof that she agreed to it.
15:01What proof could I have?
15:02You could have a text message.
15:04No, we don't check like that.
15:05We call each other.
15:06We call each other on the phone and we talked about all of this.
15:09Yeah.
15:10I understand correctly.
15:11I think I'm going to pass it now.
15:12I believe Judge Acker or Judge Domingo may have some questions of the expert witnesses here.
15:16I do.
15:17You know, you two were not the only ones who were in this situation and there really were some allegations
15:23against this concert promoter that the way they were accepting payment was a little shady.
15:29So I'm going to ask our expert from the Better Business Bureau to join us now, please, if you would,
15:35sir.
15:36Hi.
15:36Could you please just state your name for the record and tell us what you do?
15:40Hi, I'm Steve McFarlane.
15:43I'm the president CEO of the Better Business Bureau of Los Angeles with about 20, 24 million consumers in our
15:50area, about 470,000 businesses.
15:54Our BBB gets 1,100 consumer complaints per day, every day.
15:59Are you familiar with the music festival put on by Music Getaways?
16:02Oh, yeah.
16:04We have hundreds of phone calls came pouring in after the cancellation and a lot of people lost thousands of
16:11dollars needlessly.
16:12Are you aware of any of those complaints being resolved?
16:16Did anybody get redress?
16:18We don't have any evidence at all of anybody getting any refunds, a transfer of that credit over to a
16:26new venue for a subsequent event.
16:29And incidentally, we don't also see anybody getting back to us that got refunds from their credit cards.
16:37So just because you pay on a credit card, which is advised, by the way, that's not necessarily a guarantee
16:43that you're going to get a refund.
16:44But it sure increases your chances, especially for domestic purchases.
16:48Thank you for your testimony.
16:49I don't know if my colleagues have questions.
16:50I do have a question, but for you.
16:53Can you guys fix this relationship?
16:56Mm-mm.
16:59Really?
16:59Once a snake shows you they're a snake, you have to believe that they're...
17:02Oh, you see how to start.
17:04All right.
17:05I'm going to let it go.
17:06I have something.
17:07Yeah, I want to talk about being a snake.
17:09I'm asking you now, ma'am, Ms. Baldwin.
17:11You started off your testimony with Judge Acker by saying that it was your belief that she put the trip
17:16on her credit card.
17:18That's what I was told.
17:19By who?
17:20Her.
17:20And you, ma'am, Ms. Johnson, you just told me, I want to make sure this is clear before I
17:24go back and deliberate with my colleagues,
17:26that you intended at first to pay the fee to the Music Fest people with your credit card,
17:33but only then, afterwards, sent a check because they gave you a discount.
17:38Was that correct?
17:40Yeah, they called.
17:41I have nothing further.
17:43We're going to retire to deliberate.
17:44Thank you, ladies.
17:45This case will be recalled.
17:53I'm not sure where you are, Patricia.
17:55I have a sense that Adam is suspicious about some of the plaintiff's evidence, but I'll let you speak to
18:01that.
18:01I don't think that there is any evidence that the defendant stole money from her purse.
18:06I think it was a great point you made that if she was really concerned about a theft, that would
18:10have been in the complaint.
18:12But even if she had put it in that initial complaint, I just don't think that because somebody shows up
18:17with some balled-up money that that is at all, to me, dispositive of theft.
18:22With respect to the tips, one of you, I think it was you, Patricia, you said you didn't find the
18:27defendant credible because, remember, during her testimony, she said—
18:30Oh, I gave tips too.
18:31In her answer, she said there was no obligation for me to pay back the tip.
18:35Now, I don't think she was credible, but I'm just not sure that there was an expectation of repayment for
18:40that amount.
18:41Where I am, I think, with you, Adam, I think there's some confusion about the numbers.
18:45I don't know about all of these international fees that were paid back and forth.
18:49I'm willing to reimburse her half of the hotel bill.
18:51Okay, so I'm with you on the tips and those extras.
18:54There was no evidence in there that when she gave this money over, especially knowing that she allegedly came on
18:59the trip with no money, that she was expecting repayment.
19:02So as to that, I'm not going to give her anything.
19:04I do think she was confused.
19:06The two sums of money, she lent her $75, and then she asked her for another $75, and she didn't
19:12want to give her that other $75 because she was going to the casino,
19:15which I also believe that she did do and then subsequently wasn't sure she did or not.
19:20But it was after that second $75 that she refused to give her that she believes that she went in
19:27her pocket or wallet and took the money.
19:29I think it's all convoluted as well.
19:31With regard to the $700 for the trip, I think the plaintiff really did want to see something,
19:36and I'm inclined to give her that additional $700 that she put out for them to go on the trip
19:42and not take a big hit, just take a smaller hit.
19:46So that's where I am on this.
19:48I think the $50, even though money-wise, amount-wise, it's not a big deal.
19:54And the complaint, the plaintiff said how hurt she was and how upset she was that she took that money.
19:58And the fact that you omitted that important information from a prior sworn document does not bode well for your
20:04credibility.
20:05That's how I started this off.
20:06And then we go to the plaintiff's complaint about how much were the rooms.
20:10She could not have been any more clear.
20:12The plaintiff is suing for $1,035, second trip.
20:16That money is made up of $700 that the plaintiff says the defendant owes her for a hotel room,
20:23that the evidence that the plaintiff herself provided us with only cost her $1,100, not $1,400.
20:31That's a major oversight, and the explanation that there were fees that the Dominican Republic charge fell to me on
20:37deaf ears.
20:38So we know that she fails to meet her burden with respect to that $700, the one-half cost of
20:44the room.
20:44But what the defendant was saying is she put the first trip on a credit card.
20:49That's what she told me.
20:50And then the plaintiff decides, wait a minute, they tell me that I'm going to get a discount if I
20:57pay by cash or by check.
20:59I'm just going to write a check.
21:01That's what the plaintiff told us she did.
21:03Well, the defendant says she never told me that I was getting a discount.
21:07The reason that I gave her the cash was because she was paying with a credit card, and with a
21:11credit card, we get protections.
21:13But the evidence in this record is that even people who paid with credit cards didn't necessarily—
21:18Correct.
21:18They weren't reimbursed.
21:19But I sort of reflexively had a much more innocuous explanation in my head for why she went from credit
21:26card to check,
21:28because this promoter was doing what a lot of people do, which is what—like, I just had to deal with
21:34this with a business yesterday.
21:36She went to go do it however, and then they were like, credit cards, we add 3%.
21:40And she said, heck no.
21:42And then maybe at the time it just didn't seem like a material distinction.
21:45Well, I went to where you were with that, because if there was reimbursement, then she would have been in
21:50a bad place.
21:50But that's not where we are in this case.
21:52We don't know that.
21:53But we do know it because nobody—we had an expert who came in here and said no one got anything
21:58back.
21:58He has no direct knowledge how many people got refunds, who got refunds, credit cards or what have you.
22:03He said, generally speaking, and whether or not the plaintiff decided to write a check because she didn't want to
22:09pay a 2% fee or a special discount that they gave,
22:13what her decision, unilateral decision cost, theoretically to the defendant, was half of her cash.
22:19I just don't—with the initial premise, which is that paying by credit card was a material term of the deal.
22:26Because I think you fed her that information.
22:28I don't think they put—
22:28I don't either.
22:29Think about it.
22:30They're excited to do this trip.
22:31They're not thinking about what's going to happen if they cancel on us the night before.
22:35I think you kind of—
22:36I just don't think it was material.
22:37Sorry.
22:37I kind of think you fed the defendant that, well, you thought you were going to get protected if you
22:41used a credit card.
22:41Yeah.
22:42I don't think we're unanimous.
22:43That's okay.
22:44I'll dissent.
22:45Give us $700.
22:46$700.
22:47Done.
22:47All right.
22:51Quarters back in session.
22:52Parties are reminded you're still under oath.
22:54Thank you, Bird.
22:55Mm-hmm.
22:5630-year friendship.
22:5730 years.
22:59In her wedding.
23:00Kids went to homecoming together.
23:02And now here we are.
23:03And it strikes me that there are some misunderstandings that were at play.
23:07Because you put in your answer.
23:09She said this was on her credit card.
23:11She's double dipping.
23:12There's no evidence that she's double dipping.
23:14There's no evidence she got any money back.
23:16We know she didn't put the money on her credit card.
23:17So you were proceeding with some assumptions that turned out not to be true.
23:23And, you know, I was going to do, Ms. Johnson, the same thing that Judge DiMango did and see if
23:27there was a way back for the two of you.
23:30And you were pretty firm.
23:31And what you said, and I wrote it down, once a snake shows you its colors.
23:36You know she's not a snake.
23:37If you thought she was a snake, you wouldn't have wanted to celebrate down with her in Putacana.
23:41And she was really sick.
23:44I hope there's a way back.
23:46In the meantime, we have resolved your legal dispute.
23:48We are not unanimous.
23:50Judge Levy is in the dissent in this case.
23:52Ms. Johnson, he would dismiss your claim in its entirety because he had big problems with your credibility and some
23:58of your evidence.
23:59Judge DiMango and I did not.
24:02And we are going to award you $700, half of the hotel bill.
24:06And I will just say it again.
24:08I really hope you can find a way back because three-decade friendships are so rare.
24:15And you just don't want to look back and start missing each other before it's too late.
24:19But that's the verdict of the court.
24:21Good luck to you both.
24:22Really.
24:22Be welcome.
24:23This case is now concluded.
24:25Parties are excused.
24:26You may step out.
24:29I didn't know she was in the hospital for 11 days.
24:32I work.
24:33I don't hate her or anything like that.
24:35I just don't have any trust for her anymore.
24:37It's negative to me.
24:38And I want to be positive.
24:39I'm going on with my life.
24:41I love her as a sister girlfriend.
24:42But sometimes family just can't stay together anymore.
24:47Did someone break an agreement?
24:49Let tribunal justice decide your case.
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